Why I won’t celebrate India’s independence

Why I won't celebrate India's independence


By Tarek Fatah, Toronto Sun

First posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 05:33 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 05:50 PM EDT

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Aug. 15 will mark India's 70th anniversary as a free country. That was the day in 1947 when it emerged from its long, dark, winter of almost 1,000 years of foreign rule.

The first invasion of India, with the intent of permanent occupation and destruction of its Hindu ethos, was made by the Arabs in AD 710.

After that came Afghan, Turkic and Central Asian barbarians who committed untold horrors on a largely civilized and peaceful people.

India still lives with the scars of these invasions, but more on that later.

From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

First came the Portuguese, followed by the Dutch, French and finally the British Raj, that lasted 200 years. India's independence 70 years ago came at a huge price and left a permanent scar that may never go away.

The 7,000-year-old Indian civilization born on the plains of Punjab and the River Indus, and in the foothills of the Himalayas, would have both its limbs amputated as the price of freedom.

What began in AD 710 as an Islamic attempt to destroy "Hind" as prophesized in Islama's doctrine of "Ghazwa-e-Hind" (Prophet Muhammad's war on India) led to India losing the very River Indus it was named after to the Islamic State of Pakistan.

The process of India's amputation began on Aug. 16, 1946, barely a year after the Second World War ended, revealing the horrors of the Holocaust, where six million Jews were targeted for annihilation.

The leader of the Pakistan movement in India, M. A. Jinnah, ordered a so-called "Direct Action Day" which ended in the killing of Hindus in the city of Calcutta, to blackmail the secular Indian National Congress to concede to his demand for the "Partition of India."

This so he could carve out an Islamic state, claiming Muslims could not live under the rule of non-Muslims, particularly the supposedly "unclean" Hindus.

On that day Jinnah unleashed his thugs in Calcutta to an orgy of death, slaughtering Hindus without mercy. Thousands were killed.

A Hindu reprisal against Muslims is what Jinnah was hoping for and he got what he had planned.

Days before the riots, Jinnah told a press conference, as reported by American journalist Margaret Bourke-White in her book, Halfway to Freedom: "We will either have a divided India or a destroyed India."

Both Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi succumbed to Jinnah's blackmail.

By the time the massacres were over, few Hindus or Sikhs were left alive in Lahore, the ancient Hindu city believed to be named after "Luv" the son of Lord Ram.

While Muslims who moved to Pakistan from India came of their own accord, Hindus and Sikhs did not leave their homes on their own account. Many were hunted down and killed or chased away.

Just two years after the world had said "Never Again" what happened to the Jews in Germany happened to Hindus and Sikhs in the new Islamic state.

It is politically incorrect to say so, but the facts stare us in our face.

On Aug.15, this Muslim Indo-Canadian will not celebrate my motherland's amputation.

I leave that for the fiction writers, who live in the rarefied air where lies are passed off as goodwill gestures.

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Muhammad Ali Jinnah was neither the only character, nor the main one, to be blamed for the dismemberment of India. Jinnah got the idea of a separate country for Muslims from a man named Muhammad Iqbal, an Indian lawyer and intellectual. The British colonial government, not caring a drop of parrot's piss about the future of an independent India, used its immense power to grant Jinnah and Iqbal their wishes. Britain's King George V knighted the latter, making him Sir Muhammad Iqbal. He was a loyal Englishman's stooge.

Having said that, Indians in the homeland and the diaspora have every right and reason to celebrate India's 70th Independence Anniversary. Their grandparents, great grandparents and forefathers shed tankfuls of blood, and withstood beatings and imprisonment and privation for Independence. 

Gilbakka is lending his solidarity to Indians and wishes them a happy anniversary on August 15. JAI HIND!

Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.

Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

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randolph posted:

 Fundamentalist Muslims don't like Tarek Fateh because he tells it the truthful way. I suggest you read - 

Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic lllusion of an Islamic State

No, you are an uneducated idiot to think that FATTA is an inteleuctual, truthful or factual.

He is as truthful and factual as Alex Jones.

 

 

Sir Mohammed Iqbal the man who came up with the idea of Pakistan came from a family of Hindu Kashmiri Brahmins. His grandfather Rattan Lal, a Hindu Kashmiri Brahmin accountant, was the chief revenue collector of the Afghan governor of Kashmir. He was caught stealing and embezzling money from the Kashmiri Treasury. The Afghan governor of Kashmir offered Rattan Lal a choice: he should either convert to Islam or be hanged. Rattan Lal chose to stay alive by converting to Islam. He never stole again.

 

 Muhammad Ali Jinnah married a Parsi woman Rattanbai Petit.  Her father was  Sir Dinshaw Petit and her mother was the daughter of the Tata family. Muhammad Ali Jinnah only child Dinah Jinnah moved back to India and married a Parsi man Nevil Wadia who became very wealthy in India as a textile Businessman. Their only child and Muhammad Ali Jinnah only grandchild Nusli Wadia became an Indian Textile Billionaire by building on his father's wealth.  Nusli Wadia recently converted to Zoroastrianism.  His father's religion. Several Zoroastrian priests did not want to convert him because of his Islamic roots but they decided to convert him to Zoroastrianism because of his Zoroastrian ancestry and also because he is a billionaire.   

ba$eman posted:

Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence?  For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. Swami Vivekananda (1893)

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. The Muslim invasions continued even when the Muslims were ruling India, like the invasion of the Mongols during the reign of the Khiljis or the invasion of the Mughals in the early sixteenth Century when the Lodis were ruling Delhi. The last notable invasion of the Muslims from outside was the invasion of Nadir Shah in 1739, during which he unleashed a great horror on the native population.

During these seven hundred years of Muslim invasions and their conquest and rule of India, the Hindus were the greatest sufferers. It is difficult to estimate the number of Hindus who lost their lives during these campaigns, the number of Hindus who died because of the religious persecution perpetrated on the native population by the Muslim rulers, and the number of Hindus who were forcibly converted to Islam.

According to Prof. K.S. Lal, the author of the Growth of Muslim population in India, the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD, the year Mahmud Ghazni invaded India and 1525 AD, a year before the battle of Panipat.

One can safely add another 20 million Hindus to this list to account for the number that were killed during the Mughal rule or the rule of the Muslim rulers in the Deccan plateau. By all known accounts of world history, as pointed out by Koenard Elst in his book the Negationism in India, destruction of about 100 million Hindus is perhaps the biggest holocaust in the whole world history.

Europe never forgot or forgave the atrocities of the Nazi rule under Hitler. We hardly come across any positive reference to either Hitler or his army in the present day text books on European History. No one talks there of the qualities of Hitler as a great commander or an inspiring leader of German people whom he could mould and influence with his hypnotic speeches. No films are made showing Hitler as a romantic hero singing songs and his mistress as a heroine shedding copious tears over her lover! 

The European consciousness is filled with the evil deeds perpetrated by his regime, thanks to the untiring work of their politicians, journalists, historians and film producers, so much so that the very thought of seeing any virtue in either Hitler or Nazis is abhorrent to the consciousness of the present day Europeans.

Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.

In contrast look at India. There is hardly any awareness among the Indians of today of what happened to their ancestors in the past, because a great majority of historians are reluctant to touch this sensitive subject. It is not difficult for the Indian historians to gather information on the kind of atrocities perpetrated against the people of medieval India, to work out the estimated number people killed in the reign of each ruler, to create vivid pictures of what happened during such battles as the battle of Tallikota when Hampi, the capital of Vijayanagara empire was systematically destroyed for weeks.

Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

TBC. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

 

This world is not about Jews or the Jewish experience only. 1 million of our gypsy cousins were murdered by the NAZIS.

 

Romani (Gypsy) prisoners line up for roll call in the Dachau concentration camp. Germany, June 20, 1938.

— KZ Gedenkstaette Dachau

burning of Rajput Women after the fall of Chittor
The Rajput ceremony of Jauhar (holocaust), 1567, illustration from 'Hutchinsons History of the Nations'

And against this background, look at the films we have produced so far in a country which boasts of the largest film industry in the world, with no dearth of talent and workmanship! We have films like Mugal-e-Azam, Anarkali, or Taj Mahal which romanticize the Mughal rulers, depicting them as great heroes of noble virtues oozing with kindness and love for the humanity! The heroes of Anarkali and Taj Mahal were next to Aurangazeb in their persecution of Hindus and Sikhs. But people are made to see them as romantic heroes and remember songs from these movies with great nostalgia!

One may say why dwell upon unpleasant facts. True, but can we develop the character of a nation without facing the realities of life, however unpleasant they may be? Can we develop the maturity of thought that comes with the sense of suffering and the sense of responsibility? The purpose of knowing these facts is not to heap vengeance, but to strengthen our national character, to avoid the weaknesses that were responsible for the plight of our ancestors. The Muslims of present day India are also part of this character building because they must know that their ancestors also suffered, that as far as the past is concerned all Indians were in the same boat and that there were no victors and no losers in that great human tragedy. Knowing thus, perhaps they would develop proper wisdom and understanding and right attitude towards other communities.

Finally, in what context do we talk of Hitler and Nazis in India?

The answer is even more disturbing. Any one who speaks for Hindus is a Hitler or is in the process of becoming one and any group which speaks for Hindus are Nazis or are in the process of becoming Nazis!

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

ba$eman posted:
Nehru posted:

The Pakistanis are DEVILS!!!! But we as a people survived despite their Barbaric, Criminal and INHUMAN ways!!!

dem Hindu nationalists ain't deh own hey!!

My Dost from Bangalore visited me recently and he was very emotional about this topic. I might be going there next year. 

Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

Prashad posted:

Mitwah you forgot to mention that our Roma Gypsy cousins also suffered from the German holocaust in WW2. They are our genetic relatives.

Please educate us and add them to the count. The Jewish holocaust is not the greatest in the world.

Django posted:
ba$eman posted:

Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence?  For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Bhai,you got to be kidding.

Please don't help him to derail this thread. This is about the Greatest Holocaust in History.

Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
ba$eman posted:

Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence?  For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Bhai,you got to be kidding.

Please don't help him to derail this thread. 

Will do.

Gilbakka posted:

One good thing about this thread: it's sending some posters to check the facts online and relay them here. Thanks. 

Tarek Fatah (born 20 November 1949) is a Canadian writer,[2] broadcaster, secularist and liberal activist.[3]

Fatah is a founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress and served as its communications officer and spokesperson. Fatah advocates gay rights, a separation of religion and state, opposition to sharia law, and advocacy for a "liberal, progressive form" of Islam. Some of his activism and statements have been met with criticism from right-wing Muslim groups.

Tarek Fatah:

Islamic India -The biggest holocaust in World History

The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.

With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30,000 Rajputs after he captured Chithorgarh in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100,000 Hindus every year.

The history of medieval India is full of such instances. The holocaust of the Hindus in India continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700's.

We have elaborate literary evidence of the World's biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India's Hindus.

These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed  and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jainist, mass rapes of women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World's biggest holocaust.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Quotes from modern historians

Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article "Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?" states:

"There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.

The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526)."

He also writes in his book "Negation in India":

"The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter."

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Will Durant argued in his 1935 book "The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459):

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Abu Jihad posted:

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history." 

Mitwah is now a full fledged RSS scout.

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

 

Naah. I don't have the authority to edit. I am just posting  research findings  posited by other scholars.  A lot of this is being suppressed in India for the fear of uprisings. 

You are free to point out the propaganda. Don't you agree that the greatest holocaust in the world was in India and that it was not the slaughter of the Jews?

Why is it insulting to call Muslims, Mohammedans?

Abu Jihad posted:

 

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

 

Criticism noted and appreciated. But, Abu, up to the early 1970s in Guyana, I recall hearing some Muslims referring to themselves as Mohammedans. That's how I first heard the term. I know for a fact that we Hindus simply called them Muslims or Fullaman, depending on the level of our education. Just being honest, Abu. Terms change over time. What was fashionable a generation ago is no longer so.

Mitwah posted:

Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.

Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

Ashoka was a Buddhist king who did not like Hindus.  Most likely it is Hindu workers who are painting his emblem. 

Prashad posted:
Mitwah posted:

Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.

Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

Ashoka was a Buddhist king who did not like Hindus.  Most likely it is Hindu workers who are painting his emblem. 

Got to check on this. If true, how can he say that he was a true Buddhist?

Whoever hates isn't a true follower of Buddha and isn't a Buddhist as this is what was not preached by Buddha.

Francois Gautier in his book "Rewriting Indian History" (1996) wrote:

"The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."

3-mughal-india-bhai_dyalaji_201011-22 [28K)Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de lâ Inde writes:

"From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of "a holy war" of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Gilbakka posted:
Abu Jihad posted:

 

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

 

Criticism noted and appreciated. But, Abu, up to the early 1970s in Guyana, I recall hearing some Muslims referring to themselves as Mohammedans. That's how I first heard the term. I know for a fact that we Hindus simply called them Muslims or Fullaman, depending on the level of our education. Just being honest, Abu. Terms change over time. What was fashionable a generation ago is no longer so.

A person who worship Christ is called a Christian, an person who worship Buddha is called a Buddhist, therefore it is implied that a person who worship Muhammad is called a Muhammadan.

Muslims do not worship Muhammad and is insulted by such insinuations.

This term was coined by anti muslim bigots like the ones quoted above.

This topic is the same nonsense that is causing problems in India today as a result of the Hindu Nationalist idiots running around lynching Muslims and Christians.

Let me make one thing clear, India has never been a Hindu country at anytime in its history and its single greatest achievement is to call itself a secular country instead of the shortsightedness of its Pakistani counterparts that call itself a Muslim country.

If Mithwah wants to do research, the fist step is to research Tariq Fattah to see that this man is merely a sensationalist who likes to listen to himself talk.  

I would suggest that Mithwah go out and buy some real books and read from such writers and Tariq Ali or Vijay Prashad etc, and stop posting  this RSS cut and paste propaganda.

 

Abu, take that up with Will Durant. I am just the messenger.  As you know I have lot's of Muslims in my family. My mechanic is the best and he is a Muslim.  

Will Durant argued in his 1935 book "The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459):

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Irfan Husain in his article "Demons from the Past" observes:

"While historical events should be judged in the context of their times, it cannot be denied that even in that bloody period of history, no mercy was shown to the Hindus unfortunate enough to be in the path of either the Arab conquerors of Sindh and south Punjab, or the Central Asians who swept in from Afghanistan. The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.

Their temples were razed, their idols smashed, their women raped, their men killed or taken slaves. When Mahmud of Ghazni entered Somnath on one of his annual raids, he slaughtered all 50,000 inhabitants. Aibak killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands. The list of horrors is long and painful. These conquerors justified their deeds by claiming it was their religious duty to smite non-believers. Cloaking themselves in the banner of Islam, they claimed they were fighting for their faith when, in reality, they were indulging in straightforward slaughter and pillage."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Abu Jihad posted:
 

 I would suggest that Mithwah go out and buy some real books and read from such writers and Tariq Ali or Vijay Prashad etc, and stop posting  this RSS cut and paste propaganda.

 

Tariq Ali is one of my favorite political writers. In fact I just finished reading his latest book "The Dilemmas of Lenin". Vijay Prashad is also a progressive writer. I usually read his articles on the Counterpunch website.

August 15 is a day I must remember. It's my father's birthday. Why should we care about India's independence 70 years ago? Our forefathers left long before 1947. When a colonial territory got independence from Britain, the society collapsed. Robbery, bribery, corruption and the whole nine yards followed. Leave India to celebrate theirs..a decaying society. They ain't giving us anything. 

Skelly, I remember how our old folks use to dress up de place and dem bicycles, donkey carts..... and celebrate "Swaaraj" in Guyana. Don't you?

Is Pt. Ramlall still alive?

The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history. Anyway.....

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India is not a Hindu nation. It is a secular nation with a large Hindu population.  No Hindu nation celebrates Ashoka, a Buddhist king, who slaughtered Hindus by the thousands.  No Hindu nation gives guns to Sri Lankan Buddhists to kill Sri Lankan Tamil Hindus who are fighting for their basic human rights. The only Hindu nation in the world is Nepal.

Prashad posted:

India is not a Hindu nation. It is a secular nation with a large Hindu population.  No Hindu nation celebrates Ashoka, a Buddhist king, who slaughtered Hindus by the thousands.  No Hindu nation gives guns to Sri Lankan Buddhists to kill Sri Lankan Tamil Hindus who are fighting for their basic human rights. The only Hindu nation in the world is Nepal.

During those days, there were no Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains or jews in India.

We must remember that August 15 this year marks Pakistan's 70th Independence Anniversary too. The present generation of Pakistanis must not be blamed for the dismemberment of India. Offering congratulations to Pakistanis on this upcoming milestone are in order.

Mitwah posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
I would suggest that Mithwah go out and buy some real books and read from such writers and Tariq Ali or Vijay Prashad etc, and stop posting  this RSS cut and paste propaganda.

 

Abu, please point out the propaganda.

What do you call a subject matter expert that don't know the name of the subject?

Abu Jihad posted:
Mitwah posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
I would suggest that Mithwah go out and buy some real books and read from such writers and Tariq Ali or Vijay Prashad etc, and stop posting  this RSS cut and paste propaganda.

 

Abu, please point out the propaganda.

What do you call a subject matter expert that don't know the name of the subject?

I see you can't point out the propaganda. Don't make statements that you cannot support. 

Gilbakka posted:

We must remember that August 15 this year marks Pakistan's 70th Independence Anniversary too. The present generation of Pakistanis must not be blamed for the dismemberment of India. Offering congratulations to Pakistanis on this upcoming milestone are in order.

I agree.

One writer asked that historical events should be judged in the context of their times. 

A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests

The Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 and 1026 AD. The book "Tarikh-i-Yamini" written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns : The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it; the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river; but many of them were slain, taken or drowned. Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.

In the contemporary record " Taj-ul-Ma asir" by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko  Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.

18thCentury [41K)The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book "Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar" that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.

This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or "Qazi") as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:

"Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu's mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated."

Sacrifice [44K)Timur was a Turkic conqueror and founder of the Timurid Dynasty. Timur's Indian campaign (1398 - 1399 AD) was recorded in his memoirs, collectively known as "Tuzk-i-Timuri". In them, he vividly described probably the greatest gruesome act in the entire history of the world, where 100,000 Hindu prisoners of war in his camp were executed in a very short space of time. Timur after taking advice from his entourage says in his memoirs :

"they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty.

In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword"

Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :

'throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives."

Shaheed [37K)During his campaign in India Timur describes the scene when his army conquered the Indian city of Delhi :

"In a short space of time all the people in the [Delhi] fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers. They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground. All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children, and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death.

The Mughal emperor Babur (who ruled India from 1526 -1530 AD) writing in his memoirs called the "Baburnama" wrote : In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours. We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been Daru-Harb (nation of non-muslims) for years was made into a Daru-Islam (a muslim nation).

In Babur's own words in a poem about killing Hindus (From the Baburnama ) he wrote :

For the sake of Islam I became a
wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a martyr
Thank God I became a Killer of
Non-Muslims!

The atrocities of the Mughal ruler Shah Jahan (who ruled India between 1628 - 1658 AD) are mentioned in the contemporary record called : Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahoria and goes on to state : When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus. The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts.Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars (Noblemen).

The Afghan ruler Ahmad Shah Abdali attacked India in 1757 AD and made his way to the holy Hindu city of Mathura, the Bethlehem of the Hindus and birthplace of Krishna.

The atrocities that followed are recorded in the contemporary chronicle called : "Tarikh-I-Alamgiri" :

"Abdali's soldiers would be paid 5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives. Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment.

It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people. All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared.

BandaSingh [103K)

Banda Singh Bahadur was tortured to death after being imprisoned for 3 months. The heart of Banda Singh's son was put in his mouth in an attempt to humiliate him

Why we should remember

The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history.

When we hear the word HOLOCAUST most of us think immediately of the Jewish holocaust. Today, with increased awareness and countless cinema films and television documentaries many of us are also aware of the Holocaust of the Native American peoples, the genocide of the Armenian peoples in the Ottoman Empire, and the millions of African lives lost during the Atlantic slave trade.

Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.

In contrast look at India. There is hardly any awareness among the Indians of today of what happened to their ancestors in the past, because a great majority of historians are reluctant to touch this sensitive subject.

The World seems to either ignore or just does not seem to care about the many millions of lives lost during the 800 – year long holocaust of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhist in India.

The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.

Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times , including the 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king , Shivaji Maratha  who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s  after centuries of death and destruction.

The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the ISIS, Taliban and Al-Qaeeda  whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World's biggest holocaust in India.

Let us hope that the bloody lessons of the past are learnt so that history does not even have the remotest chance of repeating itself.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

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I would suggest that Mithwah go out and buy some real books and read from such writers and Tariq Ali or Vijay Prashad etc, and stop posting  this RSS cut and paste propaganda.

 

Abu, please point out the propaganda.

What do you call a subject matter expert that don't know the name of the subject?

I see you can't point out the propaganda. Don't make statements that you cannot support. 

No, you are now going in circles.

I think that is a darn good definition of propaganda.

Cortez anihilated the aztec for gold, the muslim did the same to the hindus. Cortez gave some of the gold of idols to the catholic church, used to adorn the walls of their churches. 

The muslims, diid  the same. The golden idols were carted off to the Caliph of Bhagdad, who adorn the walls of their mosques with gold plated arabic symbols glorifying allah.

Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing, The spaniards did it to native indians of the new world, muslims did it also the native indians of the subcontinent.

Jesus goan judge dem.

seignet posted:

Cortez anihilated the aztec for gold, the muslim did the same to the hindus. Cortez gave some of the gold of idols to the catholic church, used to adorn the walls of their churches. 

The muslims, diid  the same. The golden idols were carted off to the Caliph of Bhagdad, who adorn the walls of their mosques with gold plated arabic symbols glorifying allah.

Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing, The spaniards did it to native indians of the new world, muslims did it also the native indians of the subcontinent.

Jesus goan judge dem.

"Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing"

Rass, this must be your best so far.

Converting dead people ��������

Abu Jihad posted:
seignet posted:

Cortez anihilated the aztec for gold, the muslim did the same to the hindus. Cortez gave some of the gold of idols to the catholic church, used to adorn the walls of their churches. 

The muslims, diid  the same. The golden idols were carted off to the Caliph of Bhagdad, who adorn the walls of their mosques with gold plated arabic symbols glorifying allah.

Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing, The spaniards did it to native indians of the new world, muslims did it also the native indians of the subcontinent.

Jesus goan judge dem.

"Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing"

Rass, this must be your best so far.

Converting dead people ��������

You are probably a product of a Hindu who was forced to convert to Islam and now you are a Jihad. 

Abu Jihad posted:
Mitwah posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Mitwah posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
I would suggest that Mithwah go out and buy some real books and read from such writers and Tariq Ali or Vijay Prashad etc, and stop posting  this RSS cut and paste propaganda.

 

Abu, please point out the propaganda.

What do you call a subject matter expert that don't know the name of the subject?

I see you can't point out the propaganda. Don't make statements that you cannot support. 

No, you are now going in circles.

I think that is a darn good definition of propaganda.

Perhaps, you are a descendant of a Hindu who was forced to convert to Islam.

Tell us what is fiction on this article in the Sun and I hope to see your rebuttal to Tarek Fatah , published. I am just the messenger. 

What's wrong with setting the record straight?

By Tarek Fatah, Toronto Sun

First posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 05:33 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 05:50 PM EDT

Article

Aug. 15 will mark India's 70th anniversary as a free country. That was the day in 1947 when it emerged from its long, dark, winter of almost 1,000 years of foreign rule.

The first invasion of India, with the intent of permanent occupation and destruction of its Hindu ethos, was made by the Arabs in AD 710.

After that came Afghan, Turkic and Central Asian barbarians who committed untold horrors on a largely civilized and peaceful people.

India still lives with the scars of these invasions, but more on that later.

From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

First came the Portuguese, followed by the Dutch, French and finally the British Raj, that lasted 200 years. India's independence 70 years ago came at a huge price and left a permanent scar that may never go away.

The 7,000-year-old Indian civilization born on the plains of Punjab and the River Indus, and in the foothills of the Himalayas, would have both its limbs amputated as the price of freedom.

What began in AD 710 as an Islamic attempt to destroy "Hind" as prophesized in Islama's doctrine of "Ghazwa-e-Hind" (Prophet Muhammad's war on India) led to India losing the very River Indus it was named after to the Islamic State of Pakistan.

The process of India's amputation began on Aug. 16, 1946, barely a year after the Second World War ended, revealing the horrors of the Holocaust, where six million Jews were targeted for annihilation.

The leader of the Pakistan movement in India, M. A. Jinnah, ordered a so-called "Direct Action Day" which ended in the killing of Hindus in the city of Calcutta, to blackmail the secular Indian National Congress to concede to his demand for the "Partition of India."

This so he could carve out an Islamic state, claiming Muslims could not live under the rule of non-Muslims, particularly the supposedly "unclean" Hindus.

On that day Jinnah unleashed his thugs in Calcutta to an orgy of death, slaughtering Hindus without mercy. Thousands were killed.

A Hindu reprisal against Muslims is what Jinnah was hoping for and he got what he had planned.

Days before the riots, Jinnah told a press conference, as reported by American journalist Margaret Bourke-White in her book, Halfway to Freedom: "We will either have a divided India or a destroyed India."

Both Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi succumbed to Jinnah's blackmail.

By the time the massacres were over, few Hindus or Sikhs were left alive in Lahore, the ancient Hindu city believed to be named after "Luv" the son of Lord Ram.

While Muslims who moved to Pakistan from India came of their own accord, Hindus and Sikhs did not leave their homes on their own account. Many were hunted down and killed or chased away.

Just two years after the world had said "Never Again" what happened to the Jews in Germany happened to Hindus and Sikhs in the new Islamic state.

It is politically incorrect to say so, but the facts stare us in our face.

On Aug.15, this Muslim Indo-Canadian will not celebrate my motherland's amputation.

I leave that for the fiction writers, who live in the rarefied air where lies are passed off as goodwill gestures.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017...-indias-independence

Mitwah posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
seignet posted:

Cortez anihilated the aztec for gold, the muslim did the same to the hindus. Cortez gave some of the gold of idols to the catholic church, used to adorn the walls of their churches. 

The muslims, diid  the same. The golden idols were carted off to the Caliph of Bhagdad, who adorn the walls of their mosques with gold plated arabic symbols glorifying allah.

Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing, The spaniards did it to native indians of the new world, muslims did it also the native indians of the subcontinent.

Jesus goan judge dem.

"Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing"

Rass, this must be your best so far.

Converting dead people ��������

You are probably a product of a Hindu who was forced to convert to Islam and now you are a Jihad. 

You need to take your backside to mandir this Sunday morning and pray for both of us or least post a bajjan for me to watch. 

that is what you need to focus on, not hate.

Mitwah posted:

Skelly, I remember how our old folks use to dress up de place and dem bicycles, donkey carts..... and celebrate "Swaaraj" in Guyana. Don't you?

Is Pt. Ramlall still alive?

The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history. Anyway.....

 

I remember those days. This was a big fund raising day for the mandirs. I recall my parents dressing up and going to the Arya Samaj church near Skeldon post office.
As for Pt. Ramlall, I am not sure if he is still alive. If he is, he must be in his 90s. If I had to guess, he is deceased. He was also a staunch PPP supporter.

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 As for Pt. Ramlall, I am not sure if he is still alive. If he is, he must be in his 90s. If I had to guess, he is deceased. He was also a staunch PPP supporter.

Looks like Pandit Ramlall is still alive. Only two years ago Vishnu Bisram wrote about him in a Stabroek News letter.

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Mitwah posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
seignet posted:

Cortez anihilated the aztec for gold, the muslim did the same to the hindus. Cortez gave some of the gold of idols to the catholic church, used to adorn the walls of their churches. 

The muslims, diid  the same. The golden idols were carted off to the Caliph of Bhagdad, who adorn the walls of their mosques with gold plated arabic symbols glorifying allah.

Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing, The spaniards did it to native indians of the new world, muslims did it also the native indians of the subcontinent.

Jesus goan judge dem.

"Murderous bastards. Catholic and muslims have alot in common, both a dem juss convert other ppl. And both by killing"

Rass, this must be your best so far.

Converting dead people ��������

You are probably a product of a Hindu who was forced to convert to Islam and now you are a Jihad. 

You need to take your backside to mandir this Sunday morning and pray for both of us or least post a bajjan for me to watch. 

that is what you need to focus on, not hate.

Jihad Bhai, I don't know have time for hate. My Great Grand Parents survived the massacres in Calcutta and Mathura. 

Is there anything inaccurate that Tarek Fatah stated here:

The process of India's amputation began on Aug. 16, 1946, barely a year after the Second World War ended, revealing the horrors of the Holocaust, where six million Jews were targeted for annihilation.

The leader of the Pakistan movement in India, M. A. Jinnah, ordered a so-called "Direct Action Day" which ended in the killing of Hindus in the city of Calcutta, to blackmail the secular Indian National Congress to concede to his demand for the "Partition of India."

This so he could carve out an Islamic state, claiming Muslims could not live under the rule of non-Muslims, particularly the supposedly "unclean" Hindus.

On that day Jinnah unleashed his thugs in Calcutta to an orgy of death, slaughtering Hindus without mercy. Thousands were killed.

A Hindu reprisal against Muslims is what Jinnah was hoping for and he got what he had planned.

Days before the riots, Jinnah told a press conference, as reported by American journalist Margaret Bourke-White in her book, Halfway to Freedom: "We will either have a divided India or a destroyed India."

Both Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi succumbed to Jinnah's blackmail.

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Mitwah posted

You are probably a product of a Hindu who was forced to convert to Islam and now you are a Jihad. 

You need to take your backside to mandir this Sunday morning and pray for both of us or least post a bajjan for me to watch

that is what you need to focus on, not hate.

Good idea. Uncle Alladin de barbar use to sing this one. 

You can take an Indian out of India but you can never take India out of an Indian. May Allah bless India. 
 
Gilbakka posted:

We must remember that August 15 this year marks Pakistan's 70th Independence Anniversary too. The present generation of Pakistanis must not be blamed for the dismemberment of India. Offering congratulations to Pakistanis on this upcoming milestone are in order.

The majority of Pakistanis are good people. There is a minority of them that have extreme hate for Hindus of India. But there are also Nepali Hindus who have extreme hate for India Hindus.

For me when genetic identity talks religion has to take a distant walk. What is of major concern, in recent years, is the spread of Arab culture and Arab identity to people of South Asian decent that have absolutely no genetic connection to Arabs. It is the ultimate betrayal of our Indo- Aryan and Dravidian heritage.

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A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests

The Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 and 1026 AD. The book "Tarikh-i-Yamini" written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns : The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it; the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river; but many of them were slain, taken or drowned. Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.

In the contemporary record " Taj-ul-Ma asir" by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko  Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.

18thCentury [41K)The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book "Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar" that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.

This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or "Qazi") as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:

"Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu's mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated."

Sacrifice [44K)Timur was a Turkic conqueror and founder of the Timurid Dynasty. Timur's Indian campaign (1398 - 1399 AD) was recorded in his memoirs, collectively known as "Tuzk-i-Timuri". In them, he vividly described probably the greatest gruesome act in the entire history of the world, where 100,000 Hindu prisoners of war in his camp were executed in a very short space of time. Timur after taking advice from his entourage says in his memoirs :

"they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty.

In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword"

Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :

'throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives."

Shaheed [37K)During his campaign in India Timur describes the scene when his army conquered the Indian city of Delhi :

"In a short space of time all the people in the [Delhi] fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers. They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground. All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children, and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death.

The Mughal emperor Babur (who ruled India from 1526 -1530 AD) writing in his memoirs called the "Baburnama" wrote : In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours. We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been Daru-Harb (nation of non-muslims) for years was made into a Daru-Islam (a muslim nation).

In Babur's own words in a poem about killing Hindus (From the Baburnama ) he wrote :

For the sake of Islam I became a
wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a martyr
Thank God I became a Killer of
Non-Muslims!

The atrocities of the Mughal ruler Shah Jahan (who ruled India between 1628 - 1658 AD) are mentioned in the contemporary record called : Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahoria and goes on to state : When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus. The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts.Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars (Noblemen).

The Afghan ruler Ahmad Shah Abdali attacked India in 1757 AD and made his way to the holy Hindu city of Mathura, the Bethlehem of the Hindus and birthplace of Krishna.

The atrocities that followed are recorded in the contemporary chronicle called : "Tarikh-I-Alamgiri" :

"Abdali's soldiers would be paid 5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives. Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment.

It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people. All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared.

BandaSingh [103K)

Banda Singh Bahadur was tortured to death after being imprisoned for 3 months. The heart of Banda Singh's son was put in his mouth in an attempt to humiliate him

Why we should remember

The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history.

When we hear the word HOLOCAUST most of us think immediately of the Jewish holocaust. Today, with increased awareness and countless cinema films and television documentaries many of us are also aware of the Holocaust of the Native American peoples, the genocide of the Armenian peoples in the Ottoman Empire, and the millions of African lives lost during the Atlantic slave trade.

Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.

In contrast look at India. There is hardly any awareness among the Indians of today of what happened to their ancestors in the past, because a great majority of historians are reluctant to touch this sensitive subject.

The World seems to either ignore or just does not seem to care about the many millions of lives lost during the 800 – year long holocaust of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhist in India.

The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.

Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times , including the 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king , Shivaji Maratha  who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s  after centuries of death and destruction.

The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the ISIS, Taliban and Al-Qaeeda  whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World's biggest holocaust in India.

Let us hope that the bloody lessons of the past are learnt so that history does not even have the remotest chance of repeating itself.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

The main reason for Japanese internment in the second world war by the Allies is because the Japanese soldiers in the Japanese Imperial Army were refusing to surrender and would die fighting. Therefore the Allies had nothing to exchange for their prisoners of war. Thus, the internment of their Japanese population. These 100,000 Hindus that were slaughtered should have died fighting. At least they would have taken a chunk of the enemy out of the picture.

Prash, I always wondered why they did not fight back. 

Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :

"throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives."

I think the reason is. The Hindus expected the Muslim forces to follow the war protocol of the Buddha forces, Zorastra forces and Hindus forces that they had fought in the past thus having mercy on them and release them after battle .They had no way of knowing that the Qur'anic teachings only offer mercy to people of the Holy book which are fellow Muslims,  Christians and Jews.

Prash as the article says: 

Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times , including the 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king , Shivaji Maratha  who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s  after centuries of death and destruction.

The slaughter of Hindus by invading Islamic forces and the killing of American GI soldiers by surrendering Japanese soldiers during the early stages of the war in the Pacific are textbook examples of why the professional soldier must always strive to be culturally competent. Professional soldiers must always strive to understand the ideological thinking of their enemies. Know their cultural norms and values. In other words know what makes their enemies tick. That is why the Central Intelligence Agency since its creation after WW2 has spent millions of dollars every year studying the cultural biases of people around the world.

The founder of the Sikh religion clearly was culturally competent. He studied several religions in detail. He even went so far as to sneek into Mecca to study it. For a non muslim at that time it was almost impossible to do. Also several early converts to the Sikh religion were also former muslims.

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Prash as the article says: 

Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times , including the 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king , Shivaji Maratha  who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s  after centuries of death and destruction.

Shivaji Maratha was indeed, from a military perspective, a great warrior king. He revived Hinduism in the parts of India that he had conquered. Nevertheless; at the same time he brutalized and exploited poor Hindus with his various tax collection schemes. This was worse than their former Muslim rulers had imposed on them. 

Prashad posted:

 Professional soldiers must always strive to understand the ideological thinking of their enemies. Know their cultural norms and values. In other words know what makes their enemies tick. That is why the Central Intelligence Agency since its creation after WW2 has spent millions of dollars every year studying the cultural biases of people around the world.

Prash, how do you square that with the atrocities of American soldiers in Mai Lai Vietnam in 1968, ie the killing of around 500 unarmed civilians including women and kids. And also the torture and abuse of unarmed Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib in 2003 by US soldiers?

MAI LAI:

ABU GHRAIB:

 

Mitwah posted:

With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. The Muslim invasions continued even when the Muslims were ruling India, like the invasion of the Mongols during the reign of the Khiljis or the invasion of the Mughals in the early sixteenth Century when the Lodis were ruling Delhi. The last notable invasion of the Muslims from outside was the invasion of Nadir Shah in 1739, during which he unleashed a great horror on the native population.

During these seven hundred years of Muslim invasions and their conquest and rule of India, the Hindus were the greatest sufferers. It is difficult to estimate the number of Hindus who lost their lives during these campaigns, the number of Hindus who died because of the religious persecution perpetrated on the native population by the Muslim rulers, and the number of Hindus who were forcibly converted to Islam.

According to Prof. K.S. Lal, the author of the Growth of Muslim population in India, the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD, the year Mahmud Ghazni invaded India and 1525 AD, a year before the battle of Panipat.

One can safely add another 20 million Hindus to this list to account for the number that were killed during the Mughal rule or the rule of the Muslim rulers in the Deccan plateau. By all known accounts of world history, as pointed out by Koenard Elst in his book the Negationism in India, destruction of about 100 million Hindus is perhaps the biggest holocaust in the whole world history.

Europe never forgot or forgave the atrocities of the Nazi rule under Hitler. We hardly come across any positive reference to either Hitler or his army in the present day text books on European History. No one talks there of the qualities of Hitler as a great commander or an inspiring leader of German people whom he could mould and influence with his hypnotic speeches. No films are made showing Hitler as a romantic hero singing songs and his mistress as a heroine shedding copious tears over her lover! 

The European consciousness is filled with the evil deeds perpetrated by his regime, thanks to the untiring work of their politicians, journalists, historians and film producers, so much so that the very thought of seeing any virtue in either Hitler or Nazis is abhorrent to the consciousness of the present day Europeans.

Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.

In contrast look at India. There is hardly any awareness among the Indians of today of what happened to their ancestors in the past, because a great majority of historians are reluctant to touch this sensitive subject. It is not difficult for the Indian historians to gather information on the kind of atrocities perpetrated against the people of medieval India, to work out the estimated number people killed in the reign of each ruler, to create vivid pictures of what happened during such battles as the battle of Tallikota when Hampi, the capital of Vijayanagara empire was systematically destroyed for weeks.

Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

TBC. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

 

Chief should revert back to the religion of his ancestors before they were forcibly converted at the tip of a sword.

Mars posted:
Chief should revert back to the religion of his ancestors before they were forcibly converted at the tip of a sword.

Chief might deny that his Indian ancestors were once Hindus. Many Guyanese Muslims live in that denial. But, for the record, I must point out that not all Muslim conversions occurred at the tip of a sword. Many Hindus, particularly from the oppressed lower castes and the outcastes, voluntarily converted to Islam and were happier afterward.

I think India has had a long history of violence that preceded the Muslims' presence as evidenced by the many stories we read in the Ramayana as well as other Hindu books. That does not diminish the wickedness of the Muslims but it is probably to pretend that India was a peaceful place before that.

Mitwah posted:

You are right Ksaz. But those wars in the Ramayan and Mahabharata are BCE. The slaughter of the Hindus and forced conversions happened in AD. This holocaust of the Hindus by various invaders supercedes that of the Jews.

Arrright, bhai. Whether BCE or AD, war is war to rass. Violence. Killing. Maiming. Raping. Bloodshed. So, indeed, before the invasion of India by Muslims from Afghanistan and Persia/Iran, Indian maharajahs were warring among themselves for turf. They failed to stave off the Mughals because they were disunited. The Mughal invaders sensed that division among the maharajahs quickly and exploited it, pitting one against the other. By the time the Hindus realized what had hit them it was too late to muster an effective united front. I think the various Hindu kings are to blame for the Muslims securing a formidable foothold on India.

 

There is a Qur'anic passage that ended with "......and be not divided among yourselves". This came to mind when I read Gilly's comments. This is what happens to everyone when there is disunity. The Muslims took advantage of the Indian disunity just as each Raj took advantage of others' disunity. Today there is so much disunity amongst Muslims and they don't seem to realize it will eventually completely destroy them.

Mitwah posted:

You are right Ksaz. But those wars in the Ramayan and Mahabharata are BCE. The slaughter of the Hindus and forced conversions happened in AD. This holocaust of the Hindus by various invaders supercedes that of the Jews.

I don't disagree. 

Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:

You are right Ksaz. But those wars in the Ramayan and Mahabharata are BCE. The slaughter of the Hindus and forced conversions happened in AD. This holocaust of the Hindus by various invaders supercedes that of the Jews.

Arrright, bhai. Whether BCE or AD, war is war to rass. Violence. Killing. Maiming. Raping. Bloodshed. So, indeed, before the invasion of India by Muslims from Afghanistan and Persia/Iran, Indian maharajahs were warring among themselves for turf. They failed to stave off the Mughals because they were disunited. The Mughal invaders sensed that division among the maharajahs quickly and exploited it, pitting one against the other. By the time the Hindus realized what had hit them it was too late to muster an effective united front. I think the various Hindu kings are to blame for the Muslims securing a formidable foothold on India.

 

Likewise, the residency of the British.

ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:

You are right Ksaz. But those wars in the Ramayan and Mahabharata are BCE. The slaughter of the Hindus and forced conversions happened in AD. This holocaust of the Hindus by various invaders supercedes that of the Jews.

I don't disagree. 

I disagree, these are taking points of RACIST Hindu nationalist such as Modi.  I dont know that 200+ million Hindus were forced converts and still remain that way today.  

Modi = Trump today  the reason I protested this posting of an article by a fascist so called Muslim Reformer.

Why focus on 1000 year old problem when genocide is about to happen today and there is deafening silence from some.

 

Abu Jihad posted:
Prashad posted:

Water buffalo meat should replace beef in India. It is a healthier meat and people will not get lynched.

you sound like Trump and his "both sides to blame".

 

Prashad eats beef in Western countries instead of water buffalo because of the cost but he also believe that when in Rome do as the Romans do. Beef in India is the same as pork in Arab countries that are eaten by Arab Christians. It just is not right when you have a better and cheaper alternative to eat.

Prashad posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Prashad posted:

Water buffalo meat should replace beef in India. It is a healthier meat and people will not get lynched.

you sound like Trump and his "both sides to blame".

 

Prashad eats beef in Western countries instead of water buffalo because of the cost but he also believe that when in Rome do as the Romans do. Beef in India is the same as pork in Arab countries that are eaten by Arab Christians. It just is not right when you have a better and cheaper alternative to eat.

So you are saying maybe they can eat wild pig in Arab countries if Muslims are allowed to eat wild buffalo in India? Oh rass!

Prashad posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Prashad posted:

Water buffalo meat should replace beef in India. It is a healthier meat and people will not get lynched.

you sound like Trump and his "both sides to blame".

 

Prashad eats beef in Western countries instead of water buffalo because of the cost but he also believe that when in Rome do as the Romans do. Beef in India is the same as pork in Arab countries that are eaten by Arab Christians. It just is not right when you have a better and cheaper alternative to eat.

People should eat what rass they feel like even daag and cat 

Prashad posted:

India exports water buffalo meat to Burma. I am not an expert on Hinduism but I don't think that there is anything in Hindu scripture to ban water buffalo meat.

Then I dont think there should be an issue because they are almost identical.

is like me eating white fowl instead of black fowl.

Holy cow! India is the world's largest beef exporter

 
india beef exports

A country where cows are sacred is exporting a record amount of red meat.

India was the world's top beef exporter last year, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, widening its lead over other more established suppliers such as Brazil and Australia.

That's because India exports large quantities of meat from water buffalo -- a member of the bovine family classified as beef by the USDA.

The buffalo trade has been growing rapidly and now earns India more export dollars than basmati rice.

Related: India will have more people than China by 2022

 

India's buffalo meat -- a chewier and cheaper alternative to beef -- mostly ends up on plates in Asia and the Middle East, where rising wealth is spurring demand among diners for animal protein.

But India's role in the global meat trade sticks out in the largely Hindu country where vegetarianism is widespread.

The cow is revered in Hindu culture, the religion observed by roughly 80% of India's 1.3 billion people, and restrictions on cattle slaughter apply in most states.

india beef exports main

 

Buffaloes largely fall outside those bans.

Still, the $4.8 billion annual export trade has almost developed by accident -- the animals are needed to keep India's huge domestic dairy industry going, said Rabobank analyst Pawan Kumar.

This is unique among countries with large bovine exports, Kumar said. It also means buffalo meat from India is cheaper. That helped the country generate record export earnings from the beef last year, although growth is moderating from the 30% annual rate seen between 2010 to 2013.

Here's where it all goes: Vietnam is the top importer, with Malaysia, Egypt and Saudi Arabia other key markets.

Then there's China, which may actually be the largest consumer of the meat, according to Rabobank's Kumar. Some 40% of Indian buffalo is sent to Vietnam, before large quantities make their way across the Chinese border. That trade doesn't show up in official statistics.

A small amount is consumed in India. Many locals, including some Hindus and others in the Christian and Muslim populations, eat meat and poultry, and consumption is rising.

Data from market research firm Euromonitor International shows sales of beef, lamb and chicken in India have all increased steadily over the past six years.

Rising wealth is a big reason for the growth. Analyst Anastasia Alieva said India's disposable income has surged 95% since 2009, and meat consumption has nearly doubled over that time.

 

I think the cow products are different in Hinduism. Cow milk is used in religious services not water buffalo milk. Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. Cow dung is used as fertilizer. Cow milk has less fat than water buffalo milk. Water buffalo can be very moody animals. So there is a difference.

Prashad posted:

I think the cow products are different in Hinduism. Cow milk is used in religious services not water buffalo milk. Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. Cow dung is used as fertilizer. Cow milk has less fat than water buffalo milk. Water buffalo can be very moody animals. So there is a difference.

but, is the beef considered acceptable to eat for Hindus?

Is any meat suppose to be eaten by Hindus?

At one time, Indians in Guyana celebrated India Independence day. With marches, wearing Nehru caps and singing the Indian national anthem, including  prayer at the Mandirs.

When did this practice stop and why ?

Even though a division of races took place in Guyana, this would have been a good culture event for Indians, as our link to India.

The British took away our Indian language and most of our culture. But did  an Indian government in Guyana tried to restore it ?  

Abu Jihad posted:
Prashad posted:

I think the cow products are different in Hinduism. Cow milk is used in religious services not water buffalo milk. Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. Cow dung is used as fertilizer. Cow milk has less fat than water buffalo milk. Water buffalo can be very moody animals. So there is a difference.

but, is the beef considered acceptable to eat for Hindus?

Is any meat suppose to be eaten by Hindus?

There is no Hindu ban on water buffalo meat consumption in India but North Indian state legislatures prohibit all beef slaughter but any Hindu who eats meat can have his water buffalo stake and eat it too.

Prashad posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Prashad posted:

I think the cow products are different in Hinduism. Cow milk is used in religious services not water buffalo milk. Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. Cow dung is used as fertilizer. Cow milk has less fat than water buffalo milk. Water buffalo can be very moody animals. So there is a difference.

but, is the beef considered acceptable to eat for Hindus?

Is any meat suppose to be eaten by Hindus?

There is no Hindu ban on water buffalo meat consumption in India but North Indian state legislatures prohibit all beef slaughter but any Hindu who eats meat can have his water buffalo stake and eat it too.

Hindus are not supposed to eat any form of flesh...they should be strict vegetarians. ?????

skeldon_man posted:
Prashad posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Prashad posted:

I think the cow products are different in Hinduism. Cow milk is used in religious services not water buffalo milk. Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. Cow dung is used as fertilizer. Cow milk has less fat than water buffalo milk. Water buffalo can be very moody animals. So there is a difference.

but, is the beef considered acceptable to eat for Hindus?

Is any meat suppose to be eaten by Hindus?told yo that PandiReepu 

There is no Hindu ban on water buffalo meat consumption in India but North Indian state legislatures prohibit all beef slaughter but any Hindu who eats meat can have his water buffalo stake and eat it too.

Hindus are not supposed to eat any form of flesh...they should be strict vegetarians. ?????

Who told you that Pandit Reepu.

Prashad posted:

India exports water buffalo meat to Burma. I am not an expert on Hinduism but I don't think that there is anything in Hindu scripture to ban water buffalo meat.

The word COW refers to mature females of many different mammals. For example, seals, cattle, buffalo etc. Both "cows" (cattle) and water buffalo are of the same biological family Bovidae. So for all intents and purposes, they are the same. Anyone seeking to use the literal distinctions as an excuse to eat beef is a hypocrite. An Indian here said he can eat beef as long as it isn't an Indian cow.

There is a difference in Hindu animal slaughter to that of Islam and Jews kosher slaughter. The Hindus are supposed to say prayers before the slaughter then kill the animals with one single strike thereby ensuring instant death. I don't think that there are anything Hindu butcher shops in Guyana. It is indeed very shameful.

Tola posted:

At one time, Indians in Guyana celebrated India Independence day. With marches, wearing Nehru caps and singing the Indian national anthem, including  prayer at the Mandirs.

When did this practice stop and why ?

Even though a division of races took place in Guyana, this would have been a good culture event for Indians, as our link to India.

The British took away our Indian language and most of our culture. But did  an Indian government in Guyana tried to restore it ?  

I disagree. I see no reason for Guyanese en masse in Guyana to be celebrating another country's independence. Besides, most indoGuyanese spew nothing but diatribe during Guyana's own independence celebrations.

Prashad posted:

Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. 

Prash, I watched a video somewhere showing an Indian village woman cooking at her fireside. She placed dried cow-down cakes into the already heated fireside to produce more heat . Then, without washing her hands, she made a set of roti/chapatti. I think that's insanitary.

Photo shows a woman preparing to light her stove with cow-patties/dung:

Image result for indian woman cooking with cow patties

 

Gilbakka posted:
Prashad posted:

Cow dung is used as fuel instead of wood. 

Prash, I watched a video somewhere showing an Indian village woman cooking at her fireside. She placed dried cow-down cakes into the already heated fireside to produce more heat . Then, without washing her hands, she made a set of roti/chapatti. I think that's insanitary.

Photo shows a woman preparing to light her stove with cow-patties/dung:

Image result for indian woman cooking with cow patties

 

That is why in India there is always outbreak of bellyworks. That is why also that keffer is always in a grumpy mood. It is all about the street food he eats in India from people who don't wash their hands.

Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Hindus are not supposed to eat any form of flesh...they should be strict vegetarians. ?????

This is false. I have dealt with this question here already.

That is to show how much I know about Hinduism. So how come the pandits in Guyana "pretend" not to eat fish and meat?

skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Hindus are not supposed to eat any form of flesh...they should be strict vegetarians. ?????

This is false. I have dealt with this question here already.

That is to show how much I know about Hinduism. So how come the pandits in Guyana "pretend" not to eat fish and meat?

This tread is about India's Independence and the slaughter of Hindus as the Greatest Holocaust. Yogi is a Brahmin, perhaps he can answer. 

Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Hindus are not supposed to eat any form of flesh...they should be strict vegetarians. ?????

This is false. I have dealt with this question here already.

That is to show how much I know about Hinduism. So how come the pandits in Guyana "pretend" not to eat fish and meat?

This tread is about India's Independence and the slaughter of Hindus as the Greatest Holocaust. Yogi is a Brahmin, perhaps he can answer. 

So now India's independence day is past and gone, the thread should be closed? Come in Yuji!!!

skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Hindus are not supposed to eat any form of flesh...they should be strict vegetarians. ?????

This is false. I have dealt with this question here already.

That is to show how much I know about Hinduism. So how come the pandits in Guyana "pretend" not to eat fish and meat?

This tread is about India's Independence and the slaughter of Hindus as the Greatest Holocaust. Yogi is a Brahmin, perhaps he can answer. 

So now India's independence day is past and gone, the thread should be closed? Come in Yuji!!!

Yugly is a Brahmin. He gonna answer yuh question about dem Pundits.

Prashad posted:

Those Hindus who do not go to temples or have anything to do with Hinduism but still regard themselves as Hindu.

Secular means non-religious. Hinduism is a religion. I understand some Hindus claim to be secular but aren't the two mutually exclusive?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus in Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

Maybe they just not religious like people who belong to other religions are not religious....who are you to judge others?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus in Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

There is no such thing as "secular Hindu". Either you are a Hindu or not. So you are saying that you got rid of your inferiority by being relabled?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

I know what you're talking about and agree in part. Many IndoGuyanese have accepted the brainwashing to be ashamed of their Indianness. Many converted to Christianity for the same reason. But that has nothing to do with secularism which by definition is non-religious.

Prashad posted:

I believe if you convert to Christianity then change your name to a Christian name like Winston Benjamin but don't call yourself Beharry or Luckoo for example when you are no longer a Hindu 

I have always believed that religion comes from within regardless of what you're born into or call yourself. The Canadian Mission Church was notorious for forcing people to convert if they wanted jobs. I know many who converted. Some in name and some who became more "religious" than the Canadian Church itself and milked it for whatever they could. What if you had a family to support, converting nominally was your only option AND you maintained your beliefs?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

So, if I was born a Hindu and don't practise Hinduism or believe in any religion, I am a secular Hindu?

antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

skeldon_man posted:
Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

So, if I was born a Hindu and don't practise Hinduism or believe in any religion, I am a secular Hindu?

You are a secular Hindu as long as you do not convert to another religion.

Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Many Hindu men will be pissed off now. They marry Muslim and Jewish girls but in order to marry these Abrahamic girls they have to convert. But they prefer to hide behind the Hindu name to fool people that they have not converted when in reality they did.

Prashad posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

So, if I was born a Hindu and don't practise Hinduism or believe in any religion, I am a secular Hindu?

You are a secular Hindu as long as you do not convert to another religion.

I prefer to be labeled as a secular Hindu before you call me an Arab Dry Goods Salesman. Whew!! I can now stop stressing.
Does being married to a Christian woman change that secular Hindu label?

Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

I guess that means my questions blew holes in your argument.

antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

I guess that means my questions blew holes in your argument.

I think you got it back to front. If you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir then them fellows will blow holes in you.

Prashad posted:
Mitwah posted:

Prashad, Dilip Kumar is a Muslim. I can name you a few more.

Dilip Kumar is not his legal name. It is just his stage name. His real name is Mohammad Yusuf Khan and he never converted to Hinduism.

Sharukh performs Ganesh Pooja every morning. And then there is that Muslim Dharmendra. 

Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

I guess that means my questions blew holes in your argument.

I think you got it back to front. If you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir then them fellows will blow holes in you.

Did you switch your complaint from being about Hindus in Guyana to Hindus somewhere else in the world? I quote you: "Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus ..."

Prashad posted:

Those Guyanese Pandits need to get their lazy behinds together and develop a conversion process and program and start converting people before it is too late.

Hindus do not actively practice conversion like other religions. However, if anyone comes and say that their ancestors were forced to convert and they are suffocating in their faith, they will be welcomed. 

Hinduism in Guyana lost a huge chunk of people to Christianity. Those people are not coming back. This has not occurred in East Indian Islam in Guyana. The fault lies in the failure of Pandits to educate the people. Their job is not just to show up to do religious ceremonies and get paid. The time for Hinduism in Guyana to be like Orthodox Judaism and wait for converts to come to them is over.  The Guyanese Pandits have to get out into the public and educate the public on why and how they should become Hindus.

Prashad posted:

Hinduism in Guyana lost a huge chunk of people to Christianity. Those people are not coming back. This has not occurred in East Indian Islam in Guyana. The fault lies in the failure of Pandits to educate the people. Their job is not just to show up to do religious ceremonies and get paid. The time for Hinduism in Guyana to be like Orthodox Judaism and wait for converts to come to them is over.  The Guyanese Pandits have to get out into the public and educate the public on why and how they should become Hindus.

Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

Mitwah posted:
Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

Ow man, be respectful to the deceased and say Pandit Reep's daughter, now head of the Dharmic Sabha.

Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

Ow man, be respectful to the deceased and say Pandit Reep's daughter, now head of the Dharmic Sabha.

I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

Mitwah posted:
Prashad posted:

Hinduism in Guyana lost a huge chunk of people to Christianity. Those people are not coming back. This has not occurred in East Indian Islam in Guyana. The fault lies in the failure of Pandits to educate the people. Their job is not just to show up to do religious ceremonies and get paid. The time for Hinduism in Guyana to be like Orthodox Judaism and wait for converts to come to them is over.  The Guyanese Pandits have to get out into the public and educate the public on why and how they should become Hindus.

Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

Prashad likes the Pandit's daughter.  She takes time out from her busy schedule to teach the young girls Indian dancing plus she knows a few Bollywood dance moves. 

Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

Ow man, be respectful to the deceased and say Pandit Reep's daughter, now head of the Dharmic Sabha.

I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

When Prak was in Vancouver for a three-day religious service and we were all staying at the same family house.   This issue came up in a discussion, under religious politics in Guyana. Prak only mentioned it because he was asked, normally I don't believe he would say anything.

Tola posted:
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

Ow man, be respectful to the deceased and say Pandit Reep's daughter, now head of the Dharmic Sabha.

I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

When Prak was in Vancouver for a three-day religious service and we were all staying at the same family house.   This issue came up in a discussion, under religious politics in Guyana. Prak only mentioned it because he was asked, normally I don't believe he would say anything.

Correct. We learned about it here from other pundits who would attend Prak's Yajna's to idolize him.

Mitwah posted:
I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

Well, what can I say? At a certain level of my consciousness I've lost respect for all brahmins. They use and abuse the lower castes. And, why did brahmins appropriate to themselves monopoly rights to be pandits? If a chamar educates himself in the Hindu scriptures, philosophy, rituals etc why can't he become a pandit? Pointedly, even if Prakash Gossai were not a brahmin why couldn't Reep recognize his panditing abilities? 

Gilbakka abhors casteism. I am for egalitarianism and social/religious justice. Time for a socialist revolution in Hinduism. 

Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

Well, what can I say? At a certain level of my consciousness I've lost respect for all brahmins. They use and abuse the lower castes. And, why did brahmins appropriate to themselves monopoly rights to be pandits? If a chamar educates himself in the Hindu scriptures, philosophy, rituals etc why can't he become a pandit? Pointedly, even if Prakash Gossai were not a brahmin why couldn't Reep recognize his panditing abilities? 

Gilbakka abhors casteism. I am for egalitarianism and social/religious justice. Time for a socialist revolution in Hinduism. 

Gill,

Reep had no problems with my brother [Kasthriya] who became a pandit nor with the Swami,maybe Gossai was more popular suh he doan like him.

Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

Well, what can I say? At a certain level of my consciousness I've lost respect for all brahmins. They use and abuse the lower castes. And, why did brahmins appropriate to themselves monopoly rights to be pandits? If a chamar educates himself in the Hindu scriptures, philosophy, rituals etc why can't he become a pandit? Pointedly, even if Prakash Gossai were not a brahmin why couldn't Reep recognize his panditing abilities? 

Gilbakka abhors casteism. I am for egalitarianism and social/religious justice. Time for a socialist revolution in Hinduism. 

Prashad also abhors casteism.  It has such a strong hold on Indians of every religion be it Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism or Islam. Even a religion such as Sikhism some parents that I know encourage their children to marry into the Jat caste.

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

Well, what can I say? At a certain level of my consciousness I've lost respect for all brahmins. They use and abuse the lower castes. And, why did brahmins appropriate to themselves monopoly rights to be pandits? If a chamar educates himself in the Hindu scriptures, philosophy, rituals etc why can't he become a pandit? Pointedly, even if Prakash Gossai were not a brahmin why couldn't Reep recognize his panditing abilities? 

Gilbakka abhors casteism. I am for egalitarianism and social/religious justice. Time for a socialist revolution in Hinduism. 

Gill,

Reep had no problems with my brother [Kasthriya] who became a pandit nor with the Swami,maybe Gossai was more popular suh he doan like him.

I know quite a few youths in Guyana who were trained by Pandit Reepue Daman Persaud to become Hindu pandits regardless of social status or so called caste. Reepu was determined to promote Hinduism in Guyana.

Only a few doghsyte here try to taint his efforts in order to please PNC black masters.

Mars posted:

The worst of the lot are the Ballahoo Brahmins who fake this status in order to rob unsuspecting religious people of their hard earned cash. We have one among us on GNI.

Mars, Like everything else you are full of shyte and try to post like the New Nation and anti Indo shyte here on GNI.

If you are referring to Hindu Bramhana Yuji, then you are full of shyte again. Yuji does not support the Karma Kanda section of the Vedas to perform services for fees.

Anyone Bramhana who collects fees for services are committing a grave sin.

As for Bramhana status, anyone is qualified to become a Bramhana if they are trained in the scriptures and have passed rigorous examinations and have qualities as required according to Vedic injunction. 

Vedic Dharma promotes labour according to division of labour. Therefore the four classes. You can climb up or down the ladder, it is your personal choice.

Western societies have the same systems, workers, business men, academics etc. Vedic dharma is no different. The so called caste system in India is man made not in accordance to to Vedic Dharma.

Please do not bring your racist Blackman Shyte here and try to post filth on our Oldest and Great Vedic Dharma. Stop posting Shyte about Hindus and Indos. You are a much bigger racist than Carib.

You are always posting achievements about Blackman and speaking trash about Indos and now Hindus. Keep your trash to yourself.

Yuji calls a spade a spade.

yuji22 posted:
Mars posted:

The worst of the lot are the Ballahoo Brahmins who fake this status in order to rob unsuspecting religious people of their hard earned cash. We have one among us on GNI.

Mars, Like everything else you are full of shyte and try to post like the New Nation and anti Indo shyte here on GNI.

If you are referring to Hindu Bramhana Yuji, then you are full of shyte again. Yuji does not support the Karma Kanda section of the Vedas to perform services for fees.

Anyone Bramhana who collects fees for services are committing a grave sin.

As for Bramhana status, anyone is qualified to become a Bramhana if they are trained in the scriptures and have passed rigorous examinations and have qualities as required according to Vedic injunction. 

Vedic Dharma promotes labour according to division of labour. Therefore the four classes. You can climb up or down the ladder, it is your personal choice.

Western societies have the same systems, workers, business men, academics etc. Vedic dharma is no different. The so called caste system in India is man made not in accordance to to Vedic Dharma.

Please do not bring your racist Blackman Shyte here and try to post filth on our Oldest and Great Vedic Dharma. Stop posting Shyte about Hindus and Indos. You are a much bigger racist than Carib.

You are always posting achievements about Blackman and speaking trash about Indos and now Hindus. Keep your trash to yourself.

Yuji calls a spade a spade.

 

I didn't name any names but if you want to claim the Ballahoo Brahmin title then who am I to discourage you, Conman.

Oh Please! Everyone knows that you are one of the worst racists on this forum. You have proven that time and time again. You hate black people so much that you're even trying to label me as black so that you can further your own racist agenda. For your info, I'm not speaking out against the Hindu religion. I detest those who con religious people of their hard earned cash by pretending that they have magical powers and that includes people like Joel Osteen. It's not limited to any religion. There's a big difference but I don't expect a dunce like you to understand.

 

yuji22 posted:

As I said before, you are a worse racist than Carib. Yuji will NEVER tolerate anyone like you posting shyte about Indos and our Great Vedic Dharma.

Keep pretending that I'm Black so that you can further your hatred for Black people.

As I said before, I'm not speaking out against the Hindu religion. I detest those who con religious people of their hard earned cash by pretending that they have magical powers and that includes people like Joel Osteen. It's not limited to any religion. There's a big difference but I don't expect a dunce like you to understand.

You sir have been put on notice that Yuji will not tolerate you and your anti Indo and anti Hindu Shyte.

You have become a worse racist than Carib. I see this trend of Anti Hindu and Anti Indo sentiment growing since this Afro Led PNC took office.

Hitler did the same when he took office and then attempted to exterminate Jews. We must never allow this to happen again. 

Burnham tried the same shyte but Indos of today are NOT like like Indos of yesterday.

Indos and Hindus will not sit idle and allow this new and growing trend of folks like yourself attempting to humiliate us. Leave us and leave our religion alone !!!

yuji22 posted:

You sir have been put on notice that Yuji will not tolerate you and your anti Indo and anti Hindu Shyte.

You have become a worse racist than Carib. I see this trend of Anti Hindu and Anti Indo sentiment growing since this Afro Led PNC took office.

Hitler did the same when he took office and then attempted to exterminate Jews. We must never allow this to happen again. 

Burnham tried the same shyte but Indos of today are NOT like like Indos of yesterday.

Indos and Hindus will not sit idle and allow this new and growing trend of folks like yourself attempting to humiliate us. Leave us and leave our religion alone !!!

I guess you'll remain the dunce that you are for life. Keep on pretending that I'm black to promote your own sick racist ideology.

i detest unscrupulous religious leaders of any faith who use their position to rob and rape their flock. If you have a problem with that, tough.

yuji22 posted:

When Indos speak out for Indo Rights and condemning racists like you who attack our Hindu religion, your only defence is calling them racists.

Please try again. Gone are the days of your usual BS.

You're one of the prominent members of the GNI KKK   Crew and your own display of anti black prejudice is what makes you a racist. You don't know me from Adam but you have to paint me black to promote your own sick racist ideology. Jackass, I didn't attack any religion in particular. I detest the leaders of any religion who would rob and rape their flock. Apparently you are cool with this type of behavior but I'm not surprised since you seem to be a perfect candidate for someone who would practice these sins against humanity.

Same old, same old. You are now sounding like a broken record. 

You sir, hate Indos and and their Hindu Religion and have been called out. You can now resort to your BS defence of using the term racist to defend yourself.

You are like the emperor with no clothes.

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ATTENTION yuji22: Be careful how you pick your fights. Mars is not black. His anti-PPP position doesn't mean he is PNC. And, BTW, India's independence anniversary came and went 5 days ago. This thread has served its purpose and is now running on a dangerous track.

Young East Indian Hindus of Guyana must be educated by the older generations of Hindus to see that it is a privilege to be a Hindu. Hindus sacrificed their lives for hundreds of years so that the young people of today can be Hindus and live in the tradition of their Indo-Aryan and Dravidian ancestors. The West Indian creole culture may put down Hinduism as a backward religion of orange cloth and Koolie water rice inferior people. Sure Hinduism does not have a Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Malcolm x or Cat Stephens nor Martin Luther King Jr or Martin Luther himself but Hinduism produced Ramanujan,Gandhi, Bose, George Harrison and even Jiddu Krishnamurti (The Philosopher of Bruce Lee). Its warriors caused the first defeat of Alexander the Great and once ruled from Madras to Malang.  It is a privilege to carry on the traditions of our Indo-Aryan and Dravidian ancestry not a burden to be ashamed of.

Gilbakka posted:

ATTENTION yuji22: Be careful how you pick your fights. Mars is not black. His anti-PPP position doesn't mean he is PNC. And, BTW, India's independence anniversary came and went 5 days ago. This thread has served its purpose and is now running on a dangerous track.

Mars very well has black in him. He cannot hide his true identity.

99 percent of his posts are Pro PNC and he HATES Indos and Hindus. I had to call him out.

He was born in the Hated PNC family.

yuji22 posted:
Gilbakka posted:

ATTENTION yuji22: Be careful how you pick your fights. Mars is not black. His anti-PPP position doesn't mean he is PNC. And, BTW, India's independence anniversary came and went 5 days ago. This thread has served its purpose and is now running on a dangerous track.

Mars very well has black in him. He cannot hide his true identity.

99 percent of his posts are Pro PNC and he HATES Indos and Hindus. I had to call him out.

He was born in the Hated PNC family.

You mussi peep me at the urinal but I don't play that game. Gwan suh batty boy.

yuji22 posted:

As I said before you are Part of the PNC slop can family. Your post is a reflection of your dirty personality. You are shallow, lick your wounds and go home now.

 

A dumbass Piss Pot Porter like you talking about shallow. Hijra Girl, surely you jest. 

Gilbakka posted:
Mitwah posted:
I have no respect for him. He was not anti caste and moreover he conducted a fake marriage. He gave Prakash G a hard time, claiming that he was not a Brahmin and turned Pundits against him.

Well, what can I say? At a certain level of my consciousness I've lost respect for all brahmins. They use and abuse the lower castes. And, why did brahmins appropriate to themselves monopoly rights to be pandits? If a chamar educates himself in the Hindu scriptures, philosophy, rituals etc why can't he become a pandit? Pointedly, even if Prakash Gossai were not a brahmin why couldn't Reep recognize his panditing abilities? 

Gilbakka abhors casteism. I am for egalitarianism and social/religious justice. Time for a socialist revolution in Hinduism. 

Leonora posted:

You guys are teaching me how to fight. I'll keep these words handy and will use them when attacked.  

It's not nice watching people fight. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. Have a nice day. 

Gilbakka posted:
Leonora posted:

You guys are teaching me how to fight. I'll keep these words handy and will use them when attacked.  

It's not nice watching people fight. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. Have a nice day. 

Me use to like watch two women in Guyana cuss down wan anada. So me cyan't be called the child of God? Thanks Rev Gill.

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