Why I won’t celebrate India’s independence

Prashad posted:

Those Hindus who do not go to temples or have anything to do with Hinduism but still regard themselves as Hindu.

Secular means non-religious. Hinduism is a religion. I understand some Hindus claim to be secular but aren't the two mutually exclusive?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus in Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

Maybe they just not religious like people who belong to other religions are not religious....who are you to judge others?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus in Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

There is no such thing as "secular Hindu". Either you are a Hindu or not. So you are saying that you got rid of your inferiority by being relabled?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

I know what you're talking about and agree in part. Many IndoGuyanese have accepted the brainwashing to be ashamed of their Indianness. Many converted to Christianity for the same reason. But that has nothing to do with secularism which by definition is non-religious.

Prashad posted:

I believe if you convert to Christianity then change your name to a Christian name like Winston Benjamin but don't call yourself Beharry or Luckoo for example when you are no longer a Hindu 

I have always believed that religion comes from within regardless of what you're born into or call yourself. The Canadian Mission Church was notorious for forcing people to convert if they wanted jobs. I know many who converted. Some in name and some who became more "religious" than the Canadian Church itself and milked it for whatever they could. What if you had a family to support, converting nominally was your only option AND you maintained your beliefs?

Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

So, if I was born a Hindu and don't practise Hinduism or believe in any religion, I am a secular Hindu?

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

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Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

So, if I was born a Hindu and don't practise Hinduism or believe in any religion, I am a secular Hindu?

You are a secular Hindu as long as you do not convert to another religion.

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You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Many Hindu men will be pissed off now. They marry Muslim and Jewish girls but in order to marry these Abrahamic girls they have to convert. But they prefer to hide behind the Hindu name to fool people that they have not converted when in reality they did.

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Prashad posted:

Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus because the Artificial Englishman West Indian culture looks down upon them as inferior but they cannot bring themselves to leaving Hinduism and becoming Christians.

So, if I was born a Hindu and don't practise Hinduism or believe in any religion, I am a secular Hindu?

You are a secular Hindu as long as you do not convert to another religion.

I prefer to be labeled as a secular Hindu before you call me an Arab Dry Goods Salesman. Whew!! I can now stop stressing.
Does being married to a Christian woman change that secular Hindu label?

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

I guess that means my questions blew holes in your argument.

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

I guess that means my questions blew holes in your argument.

I think you got it back to front. If you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir then them fellows will blow holes in you.

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Mitwah posted:

Prashad, Dilip Kumar is a Muslim. I can name you a few more.

Dilip Kumar is not his legal name. It is just his stage name. His real name is Mohammad Yusuf Khan and he never converted to Hinduism.

Sharukh performs Ganesh Pooja every morning. And then there is that Muslim Dharmendra. 

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Prashad posted:

You are no longer a Hindu. It is not your name anymore.

Says who? Is there an authority that decides what name a person HAS to use?

Okay then why don't you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism and see if you would not get a fatwa on your head.

That's your rationale? If people don't comply with your demand to change their names, you will put a fatwa on their heads?

It is not about me putting a fatwa on their heads. They should do the right thing and change their names to reflect the new reality of the new religion that they have adopted.  You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who decided that that is the right thing to do? What does a name have to do with which god you worship? Do Muslim, Hindu, and Christian Gods recognize their devotees by name?

As I said before call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir and see what happens.

I guess that means my questions blew holes in your argument.

I think you got it back to front. If you call yourself Muhammed Iqbal and then practice Kashmir Brahmin Hinduism in Kashmir then them fellows will blow holes in you.

Did you switch your complaint from being about Hindus in Guyana to Hindus somewhere else in the world? I quote you: "Secular Hindus of Guyana are people who are ashamed of being Hindus ..."

Prashad posted:

Those Guyanese Pandits need to get their lazy behinds together and develop a conversion process and program and start converting people before it is too late.

Hindus do not actively practice conversion like other religions. However, if anyone comes and say that their ancestors were forced to convert and they are suffocating in their faith, they will be welcomed. 

Hinduism in Guyana lost a huge chunk of people to Christianity. Those people are not coming back. This has not occurred in East Indian Islam in Guyana. The fault lies in the failure of Pandits to educate the people. Their job is not just to show up to do religious ceremonies and get paid. The time for Hinduism in Guyana to be like Orthodox Judaism and wait for converts to come to them is over.  The Guyanese Pandits have to get out into the public and educate the public on why and how they should become Hindus.

Prashad posted:

Hinduism in Guyana lost a huge chunk of people to Christianity. Those people are not coming back. This has not occurred in East Indian Islam in Guyana. The fault lies in the failure of Pandits to educate the people. Their job is not just to show up to do religious ceremonies and get paid. The time for Hinduism in Guyana to be like Orthodox Judaism and wait for converts to come to them is over.  The Guyanese Pandits have to get out into the public and educate the public on why and how they should become Hindus.

Bhai Prashad then you should speak to Hub Cap Daughter, The Maha Sabha, the Pundits council of Guyana and the Swami. Hinduism is rich here in Toronto and the GTA.

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