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antabanta posted:
ksazma posted:

I think the Coalition made a huge mistake by going to the CCJ regarding Jagdeo’s third term. They could have used his loss at his third term bid to embarrass him. 

Unless they really believed that he would win again.

Ksaz... I doubt it but if true it would have been a slap in the face of the public to allow such a blatant violation of the constitution.

I agree. Especially since the two term limit was instituted while he was the President. I just talk for talk sake bai. 

But seriously though, Granger has been violating the constitution since the passage of the NCV so there are no angels amongst Guyanese politicians.

FM

The only combat they saw was stealing ballot boxes from unarmed civilians and taking away contraband from hungry people.  Then they went out at night hunting the innocent citizens with kick-down-door.

When the PNC sent out their terrorist to do their dirty work, the GDF stan-easy.  So the matter was addressed by others. 

Kudos to BJ and Gajraj!

Baseman
Baseman posted:

The only combat they saw was stealing ballot boxes from unarmed civilians and taking away contraband from hungry people.  Then they went out at night hunting the innocent citizens with kick-down-door.

When the PNC sent out their terrorist to do their dirty work, the GDF stan-easy.  So the matter was addressed by others. 

Kudos to BJ and Gajraj!

FM
Baseman posted:
antabanta posted:
Nehru posted:

YOU ARE UPGRADING THEIR STATUS!! THEY WERE WORST THAN TERRORISTS. ANYONE WHO KILLS BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN, PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS ARE INHUMAN SCUMS!!!!!!!!!

Woah!! Like your friend Baseman can't read or what?

No I cannot!!  Took you long to figure!  Are you a retard, or you ate too much gun powder??

That makes no sense. Is not even humorous.

A
Dave posted:

BS or true? Make up your puerile mind.

Terrorists???? There were terrorists in Guyana?

Jagdeo didn't do squat. He begged the drug lords for help then abandoned those who helped him. Jagdeo was completely visionless about Guyana. His only interest is in lining his pockets.

If you knows Jagdeo beg drug lords, provide your evidence to Granger, the man wants people like you to step forward to prosecute BJ.... dude you have nothing to fear .. You are living in US.

They already have evidence. Why do you think Brammo was kidnapped?

A
antabanta posted:
Baseman posted:
antabanta posted:
Nehru posted:

YOU ARE UPGRADING THEIR STATUS!! THEY WERE WORST THAN TERRORISTS. ANYONE WHO KILLS BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN, PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS ARE INHUMAN SCUMS!!!!!!!!!

Woah!! Like your friend Baseman can't read or what?

No I cannot!!  Took you long to figure!  Are you a retard, or you ate too much gun powder??

That makes no sense. Is not even humorous.

I suspect you'd crawl out!

Yes, it makes no sense because nothing makes sense to retards!

Baseman
Dave posted:

You are full of crap banna. The problem with ayo, is Jagdeo is no Jagan.. he walks into Buxton and mixed with the people. You should look at his Christmas walk about.. GT crowds where screaming his name for a photo ops. 

Jagdeo all the way with PPP to victory in 2020. 

You don't really understand the exchange between Base and I, do you? You should take the time to read properly. The rat is definitely no Jagan. Shouldn't you be promoting the PPP's presidential candidate instead of the Rat?

A
Baseman posted:
antabanta posted:
Baseman posted:
antabanta posted:
Nehru posted:

YOU ARE UPGRADING THEIR STATUS!! THEY WERE WORST THAN TERRORISTS. ANYONE WHO KILLS BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN, PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS ARE INHUMAN SCUMS!!!!!!!!!

Woah!! Like your friend Baseman can't read or what?

No I cannot!!  Took you long to figure!  Are you a retard, or you ate too much gun powder??

That makes no sense. Is not even humorous.

I suspect you'd crawl out!

Yes, it makes no sense because nothing makes sense to retards!

  Did I push you into the market-woman senseless insult-launching mode? Did you crawl out? You're still not making any sense.

A
Bibi Haniffa posted:
antabanta posted:
Nehru posted:

Bharat and Gajraj KICKED ASS!!!

Them pu55ies can't even fight a plate of rice.

Naaaaaah.  Gajraj would a busss you up to pieces.  He was one of the best gunslingers in the GDF.  His cuz Ralph running for President.

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

A
antabanta posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
antabanta posted:
Nehru posted:

Bharat and Gajraj KICKED ASS!!!

Them pu55ies can't even fight a plate of rice.

Naaaaaah.  Gajraj would a busss you up to pieces.  He was one of the best gunslingers in the GDF.  His cuz Ralph running for President.

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

FM
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

You know the intricate maneuverings of the Rat and his cabal from a Stabroek News article? That alone says much about your reasoning and knowledge of things Guyanese. There were two phantom gangs. The first was effective in destroying the criminals rampaging around Guyana killing and robbing at will that the PPP was impotent against. Remember some people were held with a bullet proof vehicle and all kinds of surveillance equipment? The second was created by Gajraj to extort business people. The two phantoms had nothing to do with each other.

A
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Naaaaaah.  Gajraj would a busss you up to pieces.  He was one of the best gunslingers in the GDF.  His cuz Ralph running for President.

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

Look at this clown.  Granger even admitted he is not getting cooperation from the armed forces to investigate the terror.  I remember when the Govt back then said they are not getting cooperation from the armed forces to handle the terrorists.  A lot still left to some people's imagination.

Back in 2011 a senior AFC member told me a few things that went down. It dovetail with all I was told when I went to Guyana in 2006.

Dem is like dem Holocaust deniers who trying to rewrite history!

Baseman
Baseman posted:
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Naaaaaah.  Gajraj would a busss you up to pieces.  He was one of the best gunslingers in the GDF.  His cuz Ralph running for President.

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

Look at this clown.  Granger even admitted he is not getting cooperation from the armed forces to investigate the terror.  I remember when the Govt back then said they are not getting cooperation from the armed forces to handle the terrorists.  A lot still left to some people's imagination.

Back in 2011 a senior AFC member told me a few things that went down. It dovetail with all I was told when I went to Guyana in 2006.

Dem is like dem Holocaust deniers who trying to rewrite history!

  You're exhausting yourself trying to be relevant and failing miserably. Pinpoint exactly which of my statements to date are clownish.

A

Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say Roger Khan will be charge on his return.. so what happens.
Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say they have evidence that PPP is responsible for the killings- where are those evidence.

It was PNC and members of Congress Place that went into Buxton and provide support to the gangsters from the famous jail break.

It was PNC MP who brought arms into Buxton with Bouterse son.

It was PNC under Desmond Hoyte who say β€œ mo Faye slow Faye” .. and his supporters were creating havoc in GT, they used to be assembling at cuffy square after getting instructions where to go and what to do. They we’re adamant to over throw PPP... but Jagdeo with stand them.

It was Desmond Hoyte who drape the notorious criminal Blackie with PNC flag and attend his funeral.

Now the constitution is violated and the illegal government squat in office for over one year , but no protest to disrupt business, no shutting down of GT, no burning of vehicle, no assaults on Indians . 

FM
Dave posted:

Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say Roger Khan will be charge on his return.. so what happens.
Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say they have evidence that PPP is responsible for the killings- where are those evidence.

It was PNC and members of Congress Place that went into Buxton and provide support to the gangsters from the famous jail break.

It was PNC MP who brought arms into Buxton with Bouterse son.

It was PNC under Desmond Hoyte who say β€œ mo Faye slow Faye” .. and his supporters were creating havoc in GT, they used to be assembling at cuffy square after getting instructions where to go and what to do. They we’re adamant to over throw PPP... but Jagdeo with stand them.

It was Desmond Hoyte who drape the notorious criminal Blackie with PNC flag and attend his funeral.

Now the constitution is violated and the illegal government squat in office for over one year , but no protest to disrupt business, no shutting down of GT, no burning of vehicle, no assaults on Indians . 

Toy soldier playing stupid!

Baseman
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

You know the intricate maneuverings of the Rat and his cabal from a Stabroek News article? That alone says much about your reasoning and knowledge of things Guyanese. There were two phantom gangs. The first was effective in destroying the criminals rampaging around Guyana killing and robbing at will that the PPP was impotent against. Remember some people were held with a bullet proof vehicle and all kinds of surveillance equipment? The second was created by Gajraj to extort business people. The two phantoms had nothing to do with each other.

BS. There was NEVER two phantom squad - now you are making up stories to prove a point because you are cornered. 

There was fight by different drug lord to take control of the drug trades. You should do more research on this. 

FM
Dave posted:

Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say Roger Khan will be charge on his return.. so what happens.
Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say they have evidence that PPP is responsible for the killings- where are those evidence.

It was PNC and members of Congress Place that went into Buxton and provide support to the gangsters from the famous jail break.

It was PNC MP who brought arms into Buxton with Bouterse son.

It was PNC under Desmond Hoyte who say β€œ mo Faye slow Faye” .. and his supporters were creating havoc in GT, they used to be assembling at cuffy square after getting instructions where to go and what to do. They we’re adamant to over throw PPP... but Jagdeo with stand them.

It was Desmond Hoyte who drape the notorious criminal Blackie with PNC flag and attend his funeral.

Now the constitution is violated and the illegal government squat in office for over one year , but no protest to disrupt business, no shutting down of GT, no burning of vehicle, no assaults on Indians . 

That is a massive switch from the gist of this thread and your last post. While everything in your response may be true, it is completely irrelevant and none of it mitigates the impotence of the PPP during their reign.

A
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

You know the intricate maneuverings of the Rat and his cabal from a Stabroek News article? That alone says much about your reasoning and knowledge of things Guyanese. There were two phantom gangs. The first was effective in destroying the criminals rampaging around Guyana killing and robbing at will that the PPP was impotent against. Remember some people were held with a bullet proof vehicle and all kinds of surveillance equipment? The second was created by Gajraj to extort business people. The two phantoms had nothing to do with each other.

BS. There was NEVER two phantom squad - now you are making up stories to prove a point because you are cornered. 

There was fight by different drug lord to take control of the drug trades. You should do more research on this. 

  How do you know anything about any phantoms? Have you ever spoken to any of the principals involved? What research have you done?

A
Baseman posted:
Dave posted:

Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say Roger Khan will be charge on his return.. so what happens.
Wasn’t the Granger Administration that say they have evidence that PPP is responsible for the killings- where are those evidence.

It was PNC and members of Congress Place that went into Buxton and provide support to the gangsters from the famous jail break.

It was PNC MP who brought arms into Buxton with Bouterse son.

It was PNC under Desmond Hoyte who say β€œ mo Faye slow Faye” .. and his supporters were creating havoc in GT, they used to be assembling at cuffy square after getting instructions where to go and what to do. They we’re adamant to over throw PPP... but Jagdeo with stand them.

It was Desmond Hoyte who drape the notorious criminal Blackie with PNC flag and attend his funeral.

Now the constitution is violated and the illegal government squat in office for over one year , but no protest to disrupt business, no shutting down of GT, no burning of vehicle, no assaults on Indians . 

Toy soldier playing stupid!

Keep trying. You might eventually say something funny or sensible.

A

While the drugs lords were fighting each other, PNC uses their  goons and hooligans to creat havoc, putting more pressure on the arm forces. They used to shooting up the police station and go on to kill and rob civilians. 
PNC had hack into the police radio frequency and was diverting them the opposite way of the crime and protest. 

One of the criminal from the camp street jail break father was the communications Sergeant at Evelary -

Here is some info for you, I can imagine people like you are spreading false information and not getting to the facts .

 http://www.guyana.org/special/year2002.html

 

The year in review 2002

Re- Stabroek News January 2003

Part 1

Crime
Two thousand and two was the year Guyana lost her innocence. Life went on as it always does, and ministers held press briefings, parties made statements, managers took decisions in this or that sector, and accidents happened. But the normal panoply of life receded into insignificance in the face of a tidal wave of crime whose accompanying violence was of such an order that even ordinarily cynical citizens were stunned.


The appearance of this β€˜new’ crime, did not mean that we were spared from any of its traditional manifestations. There were still enough old-fashioned murders, choppings, domestic violence, theft, fraud and the like to provide proof, if any were needed, that even without the β€˜new’ bandits, this was not a law-abiding society.
While the β€˜new’ crime trend can be dated to the end of February with the escape of five high-profile prisoners from Camp street, it has to be said that thereafter it was still not clear in every instance whether a given incident was associated with their banditry or whether it was something independent of their activities.


Finally, politics came to contaminate the story, more particularly in Buxton, making it problematic sometimes to trace the causal links between events, which would allow for some coherent sequence to be established. As the year closed, the full context of the criminal activity to which the residents of Georgetown and the lower East Coast had been subjected over a period of ten months, still had not been altogether elucidated.
NB The dates of the reports appearing in Stabroek News on which the statements below are based are italicised in brackets.

Crime (General)

The problem of banditry revealed itself even before February 23. On January 12, armed bandits in a car robbed three bystanders on the Lusignan Railway Embankment road, subsequently kidnapping another three and robbing them too before releasing them (January 14). A little over one month later on February 17, armed bandits raided the Golden Pagoda restaurant in Alberttown (Febraury 18).


A feud between a cash crop farmer and cattle farmers in the Crabwood Creek area, ended in the murder of four people, including a fifteen-year-old boy, Shailendra Rajpaul. Following the discovery of their charred remains on a farm, the police raided a suspect’s home, where they found an arms cache in a fowl pen. Five people were subsequently charged with the killings, including a Canada-based couple and a schoolteacher (January 18, 21, 22).


There was no decline in the number of women being killed by their male relatives. In January it was a mother of three, followed by another mother in April, while the following month a man stabbed both his ex-wife and his girlfriend to death (January 27, April 22, May 27).


The killing which aroused the greatest public interest prior to March, however, was that of Camille Seenauth, whose body was dug up by police on February 15, from a shallow grave in a yard in Second street, Alberttown. The woman charged with her murder was self-styled spiritualist, Patricia Alves, who was reported to have included the beating of followers in her repertoire of religious practices (February 16, 17, 18, 19, 23).


On the narcotics front, it was reported that the US Drugs Enforcement Agency and CANU were investigating the discovery of cocaine in a wildlife shipment that was suspected to have originated in Guyana (January 18); three men were subsequently charged locally in connection with the find (April 6). In May, CANU scored a signal success when 1,871 pounds of marijuana were discovered in a container on the wharf (May 24).


The problem of piracy continued in 2002, with a report on April 20 of pirates in the Berbice river. A Coast Guard spokesman was to say later that the army needed more resources to fight piracy (May 6), while on the illegal importation front, the Deputy Commissioner of the Customs and Trade Administration conceded at a shipping conference that Customs lacked the resources to combat smuggling (May 22).

Jailbreak
On February 23, Mashramani Day, five prisoners shot and stabbed their way out of the Georgetown jail setting in train a sequence of events whose denouement still had not come at the close of 2002.
Andrew Douglas, Dale Moore, Shawn Browne, Mark Fraser and Troy Dick, whose faces graced police wanted posters for the next few months, had been in possession of an AK47. Four of them had been on remand on charges of murder and/or armed robbery, while the fifth, Fraser, had been serving a sentence of twenty-five years for robbery.


In the course of their escape, the prisoners shot the guard, Roxanne Winfield, on the inner gate, after she had refused to hand over her keys, throwing them into a corner instead, and then stabbed to death twenty-one year-old prison officer, Troy Williams, who was on the outer gate and had rushed to her aid. A police press release on the day of the escape had identified Shawn Browne as the man who did the shooting (February 24, 25, 28).


Eyewitness reports indicated that following their exit from the Camp street door of the prison, the escapees then hijacked a car in the vicinity of George street. While the five were in the process of hijacking a car, witnesses said two neatly-dressed men who appeared to be prison officers, stopped a police car some distance away. The two men had earlier been seen attempting to halt cars in D’Urban street, apparently with a view to chasing the escapees. The police retreated, said witnesses, after the felons shouted β€œShoot!” and the hijacked car then turned into Princes street (February 25, 26; March 3).


The gang next made their appearance at the Ruimveldt well, where they ditched the car they had seized in George street, in the Mandela avenue trench. They then proceeded to hijack a second car, after first evicting a woman, her mother and her baby at gun and knife-point. From there they drove to Dennis street and the University of Guyana road where they abandoned the second car (February 25, 26). Thereafter, for all the public knew, they evaporated into thin air.


Prison Officer Winfield who sustained a serious head injury as a consequence of the shooting, underwent an operation in the Georgetown public hospital performed by a Trinidadian neurosurgeon. She was subsequently flown to Trinidad for further treatment, and although she improved beyond all early medical expectations, the indications were that she might never be able to resume a fully normal existence (February 25, 26, 27, 28; March 6; April 19).

Inquiry
On the day following the break-out, February 24, Minister of Home Affairs Ronald Gajraj announced the setting up of a Commission of Inquiry into the escape which was to be chaired by Head of the Police Complaints Authority and former Chancellor of the Judiciary Cecil Kennard (February 25).


Long before the commission submitted its report, however, the matter of the overcrowding in the Camp street jail was raised, Dr Luncheon giving the public the assurance that prison reform was high on the government’s agenda, and that in the interim, security in the penal system would be strengthened (February 28). A month later, the Minister of Home Affairs announced that the search was on for a 100 acre plot for a new prison facility (March 20), although when the year closed, a suitable spot had still not been identified.


Earlier that month, Chancellor of the Judiciary Desiree Bernard had urged magistrates to deal with the case backlog in the court system, since 41% of prisoners in Camp street were on remand (March 10).
However, the inquiry report, whose contents were released in May-June, placed the primary responsibility for the breach not on overcrowding, but on negligence (May 1). It recommended disciplinary action of one kind or another against certain prison officers, as a consequence of which three were sent on leave and one transferred (June 14).


The commission concluded that a breakdown in discipline, the ignoring of procedures and the inexperience of officers had been major contributory factors to the jailbreak of February 23; the officers had just been too friendly with the inmates. In addition, the report criticized both police and prison officers for their conduct following receipt of a report that a gun had been thrown over the prison wall. The 90-minute search of the Camp street facility which was conducted thereafter was inadequate, said the commissioners (June 5,8,9,14).

Bandits
After making good their escape on February 23, the bandits staged their next appearance on the evening of February 25, when they hijacked Oliver Insanally’s car in the city. The following day they held two Securicor guards at gunpoint in Festival City, stripping them of their weapons. Making their getaway in Insanally’s car, they took the opportunity to spray the Ruimveldt Police Outpost with bullets as they drove past (February 27).
On March 6, bandits - at least three of whom were identified by eye-witnesses as fugitives from February 23 - robbed an Annandale food mart and the home of its owners, Vivekanand and Jane Parasram. There were several people in the shop at the time, and although the owner and a staff member were brutalised, no one was shot. The robbers drove off in a mini-bus which had been left outside with its keys in the ignition, and which belonged to a friend of the proprietors (March 9).


The next incident of gun violence took place in America street on March 10, when Errol β€˜Taps’ Butcher was injured in a drive-by shooting outside his place of business. He died the following day (March 11,12).
Almost two months later, his son, Shawn Butcher, was shot and injured in a similar drive-by shooting, this time in Albouystown (May 6). Another son was to be killed in similar fashion in the second half of the year.


In what was to become an all too familiar pattern, a private hire car was hijacked in Kitty on March 15, and its driver thrown out behind the Eccles Industrial Estate. The five bandits in the car took the driver’s ATM card, and forced him to reveal his pin number. They subsequently withdrew $75,000 from his account, but the police had already been alerted, and an Impact patrol car chased the carjackers, exchanging gunfire with them at the corner of Commerce and Regent streets, as a consequence of which Gregory McClennon, 34, who had been driving the bandits, was shot dead. According to the police, he had been charged with rape and robbery under arms in 1995 (March 16,17,18).


Two days later another car was hijacked by two bandits, this time at the corner of Garnett and Middleton streets. They approached the vehicle on foot, and then pushed a woman and her young son out (March 18).
As the public had now learnt, a carjacking was invariably the prelude to a robbery, and on this occasion it occurred near the Friendship koker on the East Bank the following day (March 18). At around 4:15am the occupants of a route 42 mini-bus and the passengers in a hotel taxi were robbed by six bandits wearing bullet-proof vests. The bandits had forced the driver of a trailer loaded with cane to block the road. They escaped the scene by hijacking yet another vehicle, the one in which it was presumed they had driven to the area having ended up in the trench (March 20,21).


On March 21, Police Commissioner (ag) Floyd McDonald said that the Mashramani Day gang had expanded. Five days later the police offered $500,000 for information which could lead to the recapture of the escapees. For the actual capture of the men, an initial bounty of $2.5M had been offered, a sum which was later increased to $10M (March 26; April 6).


Yet another taxi driver had his vehicle hijacked - in Camp street this time - and found himself forced to drive to Linden (March 22).


Four days after that, three Alberttown jewellers found themselves under attack by motor-cycle gunmen, who fired shots and robbed them of money and gold, while on March 30, there was another carjacking in Sheriff street, following which the patron of a barbecue hut on the Montrose public road was robbed by five armed bandits who arrived in a car (April 3).


On May 14, the police issued a wanted bulletin for Kwame Pindleton in connection with the robbery committed on the Alberttown jewellers, as well as shooting a man in the leg in Bent street (May 15).
Up until this point, no policemen had been killed by the bandits, but in the month of April, that was to change. The first to die was Senior Superintendant Leon Fraser, but the day before he met his end, the five escapees hijacked three cars, and robbed their occupants, including a Canadian couple and a GDF officer, Christine King. The first vehicle was taken in Queenstown, the next in Buxton, and the last in Meadow Brook Gardens. There had also been an abortive attempt to seize a vehicle belonging to the managaress of the La Familia Country Club (April 3,5).


It was the last car to be taken which the police found in a forest clearing at Yarrowkabra on the Linden-Soesdyke highway on April 2. Acting on intelligence, a party of twelve policemen, including Fraser, went to the area, and located the vehicle some five miles inland, along with a tent which was pitched a little distance away. The party split into two, Fraser leading the group which moved towards the car. According to Stabroek News’sources, three gunmen were believed to have been resting in the car at the time.


Ordering his men to wait at the entrance to the clearing, sources said, Fraser moved towards the vehicle alone. It is thought that the men inside the vehicle might have been alerted to his approach by the sound of a twig snapping, because all of a sudden a volley of rapid gunfire rang out, and Fraser fell forward. A post mortem revealed he had died of a single bullet wound to the head. The bandits escaped into the dense bush (April 3,4,5).

Shaka Blair
The aftermath of the killing of Buxtonian Shaka Blair by the Target Special Squad (TSS) on April 6 - the day of Fraser’s funeral - introduced another element into the crime saga. The police claimed they had gone to Blair’s house in Buxton at around 1:00am to question him after his fingerprints had been found on vehicles used by the bandits, and that they had shot him after he had discharged a loaded firearm at them. This account was disputed by his wife, who had been present in the house at the time, as well as other relatives, who said that Blair did not have a gun, and had been killed in cold blood. Subsequent forensic tests on his hands showed no evidence of him having fired a weapon (April 7,13).


Already angered by TSS tactics in the village which Buxtonians claimed were intended to terrorize them (January 22), residents dug up the Embankment road and blocked it with debris (April 7,8). On April 9, thousands took part in a PNCR-organized march through the streets of Georgetown protesting the killing (April 10). Towards the end of April WPA executive member Eusi Kwayana in a private capacity initiated criminal action against Senior Superintendant Steve Merai of the TSS for the murder of Shaka Blair. However, this was set aside on the order of Director of Public Prosecutions Denis Hanomansingh. Kwayana subsequently moved to the court to quash the DPP’s decision to stop the murder charge (April 23,26; May 24).


The funeral of Blair on April 15 degenerated into chaos, with persons in the procession throwing missiles at the police, who first fired in the air, and then at the hostile assembly. In a statement, the police said that they had been fired on from the crowd. After dispersing the gathering, some people came back with implements and dug up the road, although they too were eventually dispersed with a combination of tear gas, pellets and live rounds. Several persons were injured in the melee, including Mark Nelson, who sustained a gunshot wound. After four hours of disturbances, the police managed to restore order with the help of the army (April 16).


It was at the funeral of Shaka Blair that the first of a series of handbills was circulated claiming a political role for the five escapees. Entitled β€˜Shaka Lives,’ it was signed β€˜The Five Freedom Fighters,’ who, it was claimed, would not leave the country but would stand and fight for the β€œAfrican-Guyanese nation” just as the sea bandits Walter Ralegh, Francis Drake and Henry Morgan had fought for England and had been honoured by the Queen. Commissioner (ag) McDonald in a full-page advertisement in the press referring to the leaflet, adverted to the criminal records of the five concerned, encompassing murder and armed robbery, among other things (April 19).
The second leaflet which appeared in May, threatened police units, government officials and their families, and was condemned by the PPP/C, the WPA and the PNCR (May 4,7). Other handbills followed.


Later in the month the President linked TV personality Ronald Waddell as being associated with the circulation of the inflammatory leaflets; Waddell responded that if the President had evidence to support this, the proper course of action would be to turn such evidence over to the police. The latter had themselves issued a statement earlier indicating that they suspected some involvement with the leaflets on Waddell’s part (May 25).

Kidnapping
Before Shaka Blair was laid to rest, however, the bandits had made their presence felt again. On April 9, a couple - Andre Ramphal and Marceline Basdeo - were kidnapped, and their car used in an armed robbery on the home of Mohan Persaud in Dadanawa street, Section β€˜K’ Campbellville, the following morning. There the bandits held Persaud’s wife at gunpoint and ransacked the house, firing their guns both inside and outside. However, after being shot at by nearby residents with licensed firearms, whose fire they returned, they were forced to retreat. They abandoned their car in Pike street, following which they hijacked a Four Runner outside the American School. That vehicle in turn was ditched behind the canefields near the Water Conservancy. Subsequently, the police said that they had exchanged gunfire with the men in Buxton after they had abandoned the Four Runner, and they believed that they had injured Dale Moore (April 11,12,13).


The missing couple, who claimed to have been kidnapped outside the Hotel Tower and held in a Bel Air house from which they made good their escape, turned up unharmed on April 11 (April 11,12,15; May 4).


A mystery shooting on April 13 at a house in Bachelor’s Adventure left a teenager dead, and another man, Melroy Goodman, nursing bullet wounds in the hospital. Goodman’s name was to resurface later in the year. He was reported to have told police that a channa bomb had been thrown into the house prior to the shooting (April 14).
On the evening of April 12, Sheik Asweem and his wife who went to assuage their hunger in a Chinese restaurant on Mandela avenue, were held at gunpoint by two bandits and robbed (April 14).


April 15, the morning of Shaka Blair’s funeral, saw the shooting to death of a second policeman, Harry Kooseram, who was riding his bicycle to Viglance Police Station when a man approached, pulled out a gun from a paper wrapping, and fired six shots directly at him (April 16). A month later the police issued a wanted bulletin for Compton Cambridge in connection with his killing, as well as for shooting Brian Chester and his reputed wife (see below) (May 15).


An armed robbery carried out by three men on the Saywacks’ residence in Campbellville on April 21, ended in the shooting by police of a suspect, Selwyn Shepherd, in Agricola, although the accounts of the police and residents in the area as to how he came to be shot differed substantially. He died from his wound the following day (April 23).
On April 24, one of two men in a car was injured in a drive-by shooting in the ironically named β€˜Go-Slow’ avenue in Tucville. Two suspects were held by the police (April 25,26). By this time, major criminal incidents were occurring on an almost daily basis, and the following day it was a Wortmanville couple, Wooed and Sara Phillips, that was forced to experience the trauma of being attacked and robbed at gunpoint. After the robbery, the wife was kidnapped by the bandits, and later dumped in β€˜C’ Field Sophia (April 27).

Buxton
On April 27, the Chester family of Brusche dam, Friendship, had their first encounter with the bandits, when Brian Chester and his reputed wife were shot and injured by two men who were tentatively identified by some eye-witnesses as escapee Sean Brown and another man, Compton Cambridge (see above). The lower flat of their home was also peppered with gunfire.


Around this time more roads were dug up in Buxton (April 28).
The bandits, however, had not finished with the Chester family, and Brian Chester’s life was threatened subsequently, while an eyewitness to his earlier shooting was subjected to physical torture, including pistol whipping. Both the Chesters and other residents complained that the Vigilance police would not come into the village (April 30). Eventually, the Chesters were to be chased out of the area altogether in brutal fashion.
On May 1 we reported that the police had taken a β€˜hands off’ stance to Buxton-Friendship, and that a police source had said that the law enforcers could not endanger themselves by walking into what might be traps. The southern portion of Buxton-Friendship, the source said, was effectively blocked, and it would not be advisable to send policemen on foot into an area which was deemed hostile.

In that issue too, we reported on divisions in the community, with one faction claiming that there was infighting among the villagers about the protection being given to the Mash Day escapees. However, another faction denied this.


Some residents told this newspaper that the roads had been dug by criminal elements to make it impossible for police to access the area, and that the situation was now out of control.
In a press release, the police expressed concern for the apparent support being lent to criminal elements in Buxton-Friendship (May 2). A day later McDonald said that the police were working on a plan to mend relations with those villages, and he denied that any instructions had been issued to members of the force not to go there (May 4). On May 3, a police patrol ventured into the southern portion of the village, but was forced to retreat after shots were fired (May 4).


In a pattern which was to become all too familiar, a butcher was beaten and robbed when doing business in Buxton (May 5), while an electrical contractor and his workers were robbed in the vicinity of Brusche dam after their vehicle ran into a ditch. For their part, the police warned drivers of the danger of using the Railway Embankment road in the Buxton-Friendship area and advised them to avoid this route altogether (May 7). One of their own vehicles was shot at a few days later in the area (May 12), and on May 19, the police were asking the public for assistance in relation to identifying the occupants of two vehicles who shot at members of the Buxton community on the Railway Embankment road (May 23).


The general atmosphere of unease in Buxton and neighbouring villages lent itself to rumours of shooting on May 14, which closed the schools in the district, although on this occasion there had been no such incident (May 15).

Siege

Gunmen made their brutal presence felt yet again on May 3, this time in New Haven, where they beat and robbed Patrick Seebaran and his wife, the owners of Patsan’s, and injured two Advance Security guards while fleeing the scene in two vehicles. There were eight of them in all, armed with high-calibre weapons, and they had apparently followed the victim home from his workplace in one car, while the other car was waiting at his home. They subsequently ditched one of their vehicles in Stone avenue, and hijacked a taxi (May 4,6).


In relation to this incident, four persons - three men and a woman - subsequently appeared in court charged with being accessories after the fact of felony, while one of the men was charged in conjunction with the five escapees with the robbery itself (May 9). A week later, a magistrate issued an arrest warrant for the five escapees for robbery-under-arms committed on Patrick Seebaran (May 17).


The day after the New Haven attack, it was the turn of the police to make the news, when they laid siege to a residence in Premniranjan Place, Prashad Nagar, in which the bandits were reported to have been living. When it was over, the top flat where the bandits were believed to have been staying, was found to be empty, although there was evidence of recent occupation, including blood-stained gauze. While the police claimed that they had been fired upon, residents as well as the physical evidence suggested otherwise. The police subsequently said that attempts had been made by the bandits to hijack a car in Delhi street during the operation. Exactly when the bandits had managed to make their escape from the house was not established, although one hypothesis was that it might have been even before the police opened fire on it. Another report suggested that the escapees from the house may have hidden out in the Civil Aviation Authority building next door (May 5,6,7,9).


On May 8, we reported that a detective corporal attached to the Brickdam Police Station was on open arrest after he had made a call to the father of escapee Dale Moore at about the time the police laid siege to the Premniranjan Place home.


The morning of the Prashad Nagar siege, the police had also raided a house in North Ruimveldt where bandits were alleged to have been staying, but it too was empty, although, again, showing signs of recent occupation (May 5).
Another drive-by shooting took the life of a US-based Guyanese, Mark Anthony Sancho, on May 6. Two of his three companions were injured at the same time when gunmen in a passing car opened fire on them as they were driving along Mandela avenue in the early hours of the morning (May 7).


The next appearance of the bandits came in an unexpected form, when Andrew Douglas was seen on local television in a video-taped recording, dressed in army fatigues and clutching what appeared to be a gun. He appealed to the public to understand that his fight was one for justice for himself and others locked away awaiting trials. The Prime Minister referred the matter to the Advisory Committee on Broadcasting (ACB) for advice on how to proceed against the stations which had shown the tape (May 10,11). However, the ACB responded that it was not within its mandate to sanction TV stations (May 17). The Prime Minister then asked the committee to reconsider its position, and was still pressing it on the matter at the end of the month (May 19,29). However, proprietor of Channel 28, Tony Vieira, suspended a staff member connected to the Evening News programme for one month in connection with the airing of the tape (May 23).


It was reported that two bandits hijacked a taxi in Kitty on May 8, the driver recognizing one of them as being Sean Browne (May 10).



Annandale
While up to this point civilian victims had been beaten during armed robberies, they had not been killed. That was to change the day before Mother’s Day. A young Annandale businessman and his wife, Ramdeo and Mahadai Persaud, were each shot twice in the heart in their bedroom after bandits had taken them upstairs demanding money. Six heavily armed gunmen had entered the premises at around 7:30pm, and the three children had been kept under guard downstairs, while their parents were killed in the upper flat. The execution-style murders prompted the holding of a Defence Board meeting (May 12,13).


On May 14, armed bandits went into the Health Mart, Grocery and Variety store on Garnett street, and robbed a business associate of the proprietor, escaping on his motor cycle, and two days later, two unmasked bandits raided Jairam’s General Store in Saffon street, killing security guard, Chaitram Etwaru (May 16,17).
Where the last-mentioned robbery was concerned, it did not take long for three suspects including a seventeen-year-old boy to be arrested; one of them, it was reported, had been brought in by his father. The police said that the investigation into this killing and robbery would assist them in solving the earlier one in Garnett street (May 18).


The above arrests notwithstanding, the bandits continued their marauding ways by striking twice in one day on May 20. One of the victims was Ramesh Persaud, a businessman of Mon Repos and the brother of Ramdeo Persaud, who had been killed along with his wife in Annandale on May 11. They stole over $2M in money and jewellery.


Their second strike was Lambert Electronics and Electrical Contracting Services in Charlotte street, from where $600,000 in Guyana and US currency was taken (May 21).

Killing of police personnel

The bandits’ focus of attention reverted once again to the police with an attack on a mobile patrol which went to investigate a suspicious-looking vehicle at the back of Coldingen on the evening of May 25. Residents said that the two gunmen who opened fire on the patrol had hidden in the area, and had been waiting for the police. Four members of the force were wounded in the attack, and one of them, Sherwin Alleyne, died of his injuries two days later (May 27,29).


Bandits did not escape the law on May 27, when they robbed gas-station owner, Colin Lovell, at Coverden on the East Bank. After making good their escape in his car, they were pursued by public-spirited citizens, and elected to ditch the car and plunge into the Demerara river. Only three of them were seen emerging from the water, and these three were subsequently picked up by the police at Timehri, who said that they were all β€˜pork-knockers.’ Four men were later charged (May 29,30).


On May 30, we reported on the disappearance of a taxi driver from BC cabs, who had last been heard from on the evening of May 24. His car was later found abandoned at Coldingen (May 30).
The most brazen attack up to this point came on the night of May 30, when two carloads of gunmen opened fire on the Alberttown police station just after 10:00pm, killing rural constable, Andy Atwell. The constable had been just outside the station entrance in the yard when the gunmen started shooting, and he was struck by four or five bullets. He was the fourth policeman to be shot dead in just under three months (May 31).

 

FM
Dave posted:

While the drugs lords were fighting each other, PNC uses their  goons and hooligans to creat havoc, putting more pressure on the arm forces. They used to shooting up the police station and go on to kill and rob civilians. 
PNC had hack into the police radio frequency and was diverting them the opposite way of the crime and protest.

If your intent is to verify Kaiteur News is your resource for issues in Guyana, you've succeeded. You've convinced me you don't really know much about what goes on in Guyana. Congrats. Or perhaps you posted that account of crimes to confirm the PPP's impotence. Well done. Haven't you PPP fanatics always condemned the loyalty of Guyana's armed forces to the PNC? How could the PNC be working against the armed forces then and how could the armed forces be working against the PNC now?

I repeat my question, have you spoken to any of the principals involved at the time?

A
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:

While the drugs lords were fighting each other, PNC uses their  goons and hooligans to creat havoc, putting more pressure on the arm forces. They used to shooting up the police station and go on to kill and rob civilians. 
PNC had hack into the police radio frequency and was diverting them the opposite way of the crime and protest.

If your intent is to verify Kaiteur News is your resource for issues in Guyana, you've succeeded. You've convinced me you don't really know much about what goes on in Guyana. Congrats. Or perhaps you posted that account of crimes to confirm the PPP's impotence. Well done. Haven't you PPP fanatics always condemned the loyalty of Guyana's armed forces to the PNC? How could the PNC be working against the armed forces then and how could the armed forces be working against the PNC now?

I repeat my question, have you spoken to any of the principals involved at the time?

Anta, I was living in Guyana with my families  during this trouble times. I was a victim of a home invasion and was shoot 4” from my heart  I am a license firearms holder and drove the scoundrels away with my limited training.  , assassination attempts at BV railway Embankment between the two bridge and I shoot my way out. 

I used to patrol with the police in the nights. I drove through fire at Buxton public road with the GDF standing guards on both side and did nothing to disperse the crowds.

I was with a few person who went into Buxton when Andrew Douglas has the AK 47bu his side and that famous video was recorded. I saw who was driving into Buxton as we were leaving. 

I can go on with so much more but I will one day. 

I don’t provide info from third parties, I experienced, and witnessed the assault, I live and suffered the after effects today and as I get older, it affects me more. 

FM
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:

Gajraj put together a gang that killed a couple old teefs and then started shaking down business people for protection. What's wrong with you people that you idolize such lowlife individuals? Gajraj is the opposite of what you think of him.

You have it wrong my friend, it was the businesspeople who was calling out the government for protection, business was suffering. Guyana government has nothing to do with Phantom.. you should read the Stabroek News report that was released last month.  It was the businesspeople some of whom finance the phantom...   

You know the intricate maneuverings of the Rat and his cabal from a Stabroek News article? That alone says much about your reasoning and knowledge of things Guyanese. There were two phantom gangs. The first was effective in destroying the criminals rampaging around Guyana killing and robbing at will that the PPP was impotent against. Remember some people were held with a bullet proof vehicle and all kinds of surveillance equipment? The second was created by Gajraj to extort business people. The two phantoms had nothing to do with each other.

BS. There was NEVER two phantom squad - now you are making up stories to prove a point because you are cornered. 

There was fight by different drug lord to take control of the drug trades. You should do more research on this. 

  How do you know anything about any phantoms? Have you ever spoken to any of the principals involved? What research have you done?

I wouldn’t be providing information on these  question. FYI, I am a businessman in Guyana and not a cake shop business .. got it . 

FM
Dave posted:

Anta, I was living in Guyana with my families  during this trouble times. I was a victim of a home invasion and was shoot 4” from my heart  I am a license firearms holder and drove the scoundrels away with my limited training.  , assassination attempts at BV railway Embankment between the two bridge and I shoot my way out. 

I used to patrol with the police in the nights. I drove through fire at Buxton public road with the GDF standing guards on both side and did nothing to disperse the crowds.

I was with a few person who went into Buxton when Andrew Douglas has the AK 47bu his side and that famous video was recorded. I saw who was driving into Buxton as we were leaving. 

I can go on with so much more but I will one day. 

I don’t provide info from third parties, I experienced, and witnessed the assault, I live and suffered the after effects today and as I get older, it affects me more. 

You have my sympathies but your response is only confirming my statements about the PPP's impotence. BTW being the victim of both a home invasion and an assassination attempt suggests you might a drug dealer or govt minister.

It is difficult for the military force of any democracy to take action against it's citizenry. Internal Security Operations are fraught with sociological issues.

Please feel free to go on but try to stay on topic.

A
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:

There was fight by different drug lord to take control of the drug trades. You should do more research on this. 

  How do you know anything about any phantoms? Have you ever spoken to any of the principals involved? What research have you done?

I wouldn’t be providing information on these  question. FYI, I am a businessman in Guyana and not a cake shop business .. got it . 

I get it. One of your responses is a lie. No businessman intricately involved in the issues in the 2002 period would not know there were two phantom gangs. I could just as easily provide you with names and dates and events but that would only compromise a lot of people. Why would you be involved in a fight between drug lords?

A
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:

Anta, I was living in Guyana with my families  during this trouble times. I was a victim of a home invasion and was shoot 4” from my heart  I am a license firearms holder and drove the scoundrels away with my limited training.  , assassination attempts at BV railway Embankment between the two bridge and I shoot my way out. 

I used to patrol with the police in the nights. I drove through fire at Buxton public road with the GDF standing guards on both side and did nothing to disperse the crowds.

I was with a few person who went into Buxton when Andrew Douglas has the AK 47bu his side and that famous video was recorded. I saw who was driving into Buxton as we were leaving. 

I can go on with so much more but I will one day. 

I don’t provide info from third parties, I experienced, and witnessed the assault, I live and suffered the after effects today and as I get older, it affects me more. 

You have my sympathies but your response is only confirming my statements about the PPP's impotence. BTW being the victim of both a home invasion and an assassination attempt suggests you might a drug dealer or govt minister.

It is difficult for the military force of any democracy to take action against it's citizenry. Internal Security Operations are fraught with sociological issues.

Please feel free to go on but try to stay on topic.

Neither, but would lend my vehicles for Patrol to curb crimes . If you pay attention to my response above , I said I used to patrol with the police. 
The police was a target by the criminals ... remember. 

I see you are  fishing around for information. You can have lots of information if you visit Guyana. Tell me when you are ready. 

FM
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antabanta posted:
Dave posted:
antabanta posted:

There was fight by different drug lord to take control of the drug trades. You should do more research on this. 

  How do you know anything about any phantoms? Have you ever spoken to any of the principals involved? What research have you done?

I wouldn’t be providing information on these  question. FYI, I am a businessman in Guyana and not a cake shop business .. got it . 

I get it. One of your responses is a lie. No businessman intricately involved in the issues in the 2002 period would not know there were two phantom gangs. I could just as easily provide you with names and dates and events but that would only compromise a lot of people. Why would you be involved in a fight between drug lords?

I was never involved in fight between drug lords ... who say that. 
I was involved in fight against criminals, our business was suffering. 

FM
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:

Anta, I was living in Guyana with my families  during this trouble times. I was a victim of a home invasion and was shoot 4” from my heart  I am a license firearms holder and drove the scoundrels away with my limited training.  , assassination attempts at BV railway Embankment between the two bridge and I shoot my way out. 

I used to patrol with the police in the nights. I drove through fire at Buxton public road with the GDF standing guards on both side and did nothing to disperse the crowds.

I was with a few person who went into Buxton when Andrew Douglas has the AK 47bu his side and that famous video was recorded. I saw who was driving into Buxton as we were leaving. 

I can go on with so much more but I will one day. 

I don’t provide info from third parties, I experienced, and witnessed the assault, I live and suffered the after effects today and as I get older, it affects me more. 

You have my sympathies but your response is only confirming my statements about the PPP's impotence. BTW being the victim of both a home invasion and an assassination attempt suggests you might a drug dealer or govt minister.

It is difficult for the military force of any democracy to take action against it's citizenry. Internal Security Operations are fraught with sociological issues.

Please feel free to go on but try to stay on topic.

Load of Bull!  Ayuh used to run elections and seize food and raid homes all over looking for banned stuff without any inhibitions.  But you cannot go after a terror insurgency.  Total cop out when the nation was under a terrorist swarm.

So yuh buddies couldn't do anything, well STHU and let the Govt do what they had to do, protect the people from the terrorists!

Baseman
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Baseman posted:
antabanta posted:
Dave posted:

Anta, I was living in Guyana with my families  during this trouble times. I was a victim of a home invasion and was shoot 4” from my heart  I am a license firearms holder and drove the scoundrels away with my limited training.  , assassination attempts at BV railway Embankment between the two bridge and I shoot my way out. 

I used to patrol with the police in the nights. I drove through fire at Buxton public road with the GDF standing guards on both side and did nothing to disperse the crowds.

I was with a few person who went into Buxton when Andrew Douglas has the AK 47bu his side and that famous video was recorded. I saw who was driving into Buxton as we were leaving. 

I can go on with so much more but I will one day. 

I don’t provide info from third parties, I experienced, and witnessed the assault, I live and suffered the after effects today and as I get older, it affects me more. 

You have my sympathies but your response is only confirming my statements about the PPP's impotence. BTW being the victim of both a home invasion and an assassination attempt suggests you might a drug dealer or govt minister.

It is difficult for the military force of any democracy to take action against it's citizenry. Internal Security Operations are fraught with sociological issues.

Please feel free to go on but try to stay on topic.

Load of Bull!  Ayuh used to run elections and seize food and raid homes all over looking for banned stuff without any inhibitions.  But you cannot go after a terror insurgency.  Total cop out when the nation was under a terrorist swarm.

So yuh buddies couldn't do anything, well STHU and let the Govt do what they had to do, protect the people from the terrorists!

He is full of crap, look at his history here.. he keeps gottaing dhall ... 

Some people are better left in their mystery and some mysteries are better left unsolved. 

FM
Dave posted:
You have my sympathies but your response is only confirming my statements about the PPP's impotence. BTW being the victim of both a home invasion and an assassination attempt suggests you might a drug dealer or govt minister.

It is difficult for the military force of any democracy to take action against it's citizenry. Internal Security Operations are fraught with sociological issues.

Please feel free to go on but try to stay on topic.

Neither, but would lend my vehicles for Patrol to curb crimes . If you pay attention to my response above , I said I used to patrol with the police. 
The police was a target by the criminals ... remember. 

I see you are  fishing around for information. You can have lots of information if you visit Guyana. Tell me when you are ready. 

So you were not target for assassination as you claimed? I've been on GNI for over 18 years and never had enough interest in anyone to fish around for their information. What makes you think you're special? Which of my questions suggests fishing around for information?

A
Baseman posted:

You have my sympathies but your response is only confirming my statements about the PPP's impotence. BTW being the victim of both a home invasion and an assassination attempt suggests you might a drug dealer or govt minister.

It is difficult for the military force of any democracy to take action against it's citizenry. Internal Security Operations are fraught with sociological issues.

Please feel free to go on but try to stay on topic.

Load of Bull!  Ayuh used to run elections and seize food and raid homes all over looking for banned stuff without any inhibitions.  But you cannot go after a terror insurgency.  Total cop out when the nation was under a terrorist swarm.

So yuh buddies couldn't do anything, well STHU and let the Govt do what they had to do, protect the people from the terrorists!

  You're getting more and more desperate to be relevant. You know my statement is bull from your extensive studies of Internal Security Operations? You call them couple criminals who got coolie cowering a terror insurgency and terrorist swarm? Does that make you accept your cowardice?

A

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