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Originally posted by Cobra:
How is the AFC/APNU are doing just weeks away from national election? Any word if Ralph and Moses are parting the red sea to join Van West Charles, or it's wishful thinking? For the hopeful, it's not going to happen, folks. Lose that idea now or forever hold your peace! If Moses joins the AFC, it will bring better results for the PPP because he will be teaming up with the Burnhamites like VWC and Trotman. He will be seen as a traitor and that my friend will never happen. That's a lesson one must hold to heart.

Cobra's Note: I have nothing more to say...

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Originally posted by Noel:
Cobra........Ralph, Navin, Komal, Moses, Frank Anthony, Ashni Singh and a few others will all come on board the AFC........Did you see the AFC nomination list ..all their names are in it....I have a copy of the list...I will send it to Freedom House one day before nomination day

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Why is the acquisition of some of the vilest from the PNC era into the rank of the PPP not deemed "traitorous"? And by what metric are we measuring fealty or better fealty to what is construed as the proper kind? Is not the understanding that the term traitor could only be applied to those abjuring the fundamental precepts of the state? After all these are players in the game of governing.

The only lessons here is the macabre construct on which PPPites forge their ideological texts. It resides on a corrupt premise that the PPP is the state and without Indians at the helm. Moses and Ralph and any other has to vote their conscience. That rests on the principle that we are a nation forged out of colonialism and as a syncretic people we must be accommodating to all in more than words. Our institutions must reflect that.

Unfortunately, our institutions breed the false conception of nation hood as the domain of racist and autocrats under the rubric PPP. We musty be rid of the executive presidency, closed lists with nation wide constituency. Without that we get buffoons like the one we have with little knowledge of governing a transparent democracy.

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Originally posted by asj:
I might be wrong, but if Moses becomes another Harrylall or Vincent Teekah or another Ranji Chandisingh.

Then he will suffer the same fate time will show us what he has learned from History.

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Why is the acquisition of some of the vilest from the PNC era into the rank of the PPP not deemed "traitorous"? And by what metric are we measuring fealty or better fealty to what is construed as the proper kind? Is not the understanding that the term traitor could only be applied to those abjuring the fundamental precepts of the state? After all these are players in the game of governing.

The only lessons here is the macabre construct on which PPPites forge their ideological texts. It resides on a corrupt premise that the PPP is the state and without Indians at the helm. Moses and Ralph and any other has to vote their conscience. That rests on the principle that we are a nation forged out of colonialism and as a syncretic people we must be accommodating to all in more than words. Our institutions must reflect that.

Unfortunately, our institutions breed the false conception of nation hood as the domain of racist and autocrats under the rubric PPP. We musty be rid of the executive presidency, closed lists with nation wide constituency. Without that we get buffoons like the one we have with little knowledge of governing a transparent democracy.

D2: Did the AFC offer you a job in return for your endorsement? Furthermore, do you have an interest in the indigenous people affairs in Guyana?

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Why is the acquisition of some of the vilest from the PNC era into the rank of the PPP not deemed "traitorous"? And by what metric are we measuring fealty or better fealty to what is construed as the proper kind? Is not the understanding that the term traitor could only be applied to those abjuring the fundamental precepts of the state? After all these are players in the game of governing.

The only lessons here is the macabre construct on which PPPites forge their ideological texts. It resides on a corrupt premise that the PPP is the state and without Indians at the helm. Moses and Ralph and any other has to vote their conscience. That rests on the principle that we are a nation forged out of colonialism and as a syncretic people we must be accommodating to all in more than words. Our institutions must reflect that.

Unfortunately, our institutions breed the false conception of nation hood as the domain of racist and autocrats under the rubric PPP. We musty be rid of the executive presidency, closed lists with nation wide constituency. Without that we get buffoons like the one we have with little knowledge of governing a transparent democracy.

D2: Did the AFC offer you a job in return for your endorsement? Furthermore, do you have an interest in the indigenous people affairs in Guyana?

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Originally posted by asj:
I might be wrong, but if Moses becomes another Harrylall or Vincent Teekah or another Ranji Chandisingh.

Then he will suffer the same fate time will show us what he has learned from History.

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You are wrong !

If one looks closely at the history of that period they will discover that Harrylall et al left for several reasons foremost amongst them was opportunism.....Moses was approached by Burnham at that period and he chose to remain with the PPP....

If Moses teams up with the AFC today it will not be because of opportunism but because of the disgust at what is happening in the leadership of the PPP at this time.....

One example being no internal democracy in the PPP at this time....

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Originally posted by Nehru:
DEh man is a WANNABE BUCKMAN.

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Why is the acquisition of some of the vilest from the PNC era into the rank of the PPP not deemed "traitorous"? And by what metric are we measuring fealty or better fealty to what is construed as the proper kind? Is not the understanding that the term traitor could only be applied to those abjuring the fundamental precepts of the state? After all these are players in the game of governing.

The only lessons here is the macabre construct on which PPPites forge their ideological texts. It resides on a corrupt premise that the PPP is the state and without Indians at the helm. Moses and Ralph and any other has to vote their conscience. That rests on the principle that we are a nation forged out of colonialism and as a syncretic people we must be accommodating to all in more than words. Our institutions must reflect that.

Unfortunately, our institutions breed the false conception of nation hood as the domain of racist and autocrats under the rubric PPP. We musty be rid of the executive presidency, closed lists with nation wide constituency. Without that we get buffoons like the one we have with little knowledge of governing a transparent democracy.

D2: Did the AFC offer you a job in return for your endorsement? Furthermore, do you have an interest in the indigenous people affairs in Guyana?

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Why is the acquisition of some of the vilest from the PNC era into the rank of the PPP not deemed "traitorous"? And by what metric are we measuring fealty or better fealty to what is construed as the proper kind? Is not the understanding that the term traitor could only be applied to those abjuring the fundamental precepts of the state? After all these are players in the game of governing.

The only lessons here is the macabre construct on which PPPites forge their ideological texts. It resides on a corrupt premise that the PPP is the state and without Indians at the helm. Moses and Ralph and any other has to vote their conscience. That rests on the principle that we are a nation forged out of colonialism and as a syncretic people we must be accommodating to all in more than words. Our institutions must reflect that.

Unfortunately, our institutions breed the false conception of nation hood as the domain of racist and autocrats under the rubric PPP. We musty be rid of the executive presidency, closed lists with nation wide constituency. Without that we get buffoons like the one we have with little knowledge of governing a transparent democracy.

D2: Did the AFC offer you a job in return for your endorsement? Furthermore, do you have an interest in the indigenous people affairs in Guyana?

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Originally posted by Chief:
Mr Churchill has close and personal realionship with Mr Nagamootoo and a few other old comrades from the PPP. One thing I can say about that group , they were very very loyal to the late Dr Cheddie Jagan however they are not known to be oppertunists.

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If Moses teams up with the AFC today it will not be because of opportunism but because of the disgust at what is happening in the leadership of the PPP at this time.

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Churchill doesn't have the political influence to move anyone.

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Originally posted by Chief:
Mr Churchill has close and personal realionship with Mr Nagamootoo and a few other old comrades from the PPP. One thing I can say about that group , they were very very loyal to the late Dr Cheddie Jagan however they are not known to be oppertunists.

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Originally posted by asj:
I might be wrong, but if Moses becomes another Harrylall or Vincent Teekah or another Ranji Chandisingh.

Then he will suffer the same fate time will show us what he has learned from History.
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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Originally posted by Chief:
Mr Churchill has close and personal realionship with Mr Nagamootoo and a few other old comrades from the PPP. One thing I can say about that group , they were very very loyal to the late Dr Cheddie Jagan however they are not known to be oppertunists.

They are not opportunists, but they are certainly confused by joining allegiance with the former Burnhamites of death.

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Originally posted by Cobra:
Churchill doesn't have the political influence to move anyone. His indirect backing of the AFC is in conflict of his belief to support the PNC reject in the AFC. If that is his true intent, I challenge him to come here and say it like a man. I don't believe it until I hear it from the horse's mouth.
Again, you guys just wishing to hit the jackpot with pot luck.

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Churchill doesn't have the political influence to move anyone.

I do not go around talking about who I know and don't know .....I have been in the USA since 1972 and know enough people of influence across the political divide in the USA and elsewhere....

I can call on those folks at any time.....

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Churchill is a PPP stalwart who sought to remove the PNC not reincarnate them under the umbrella of the PPP.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Why is the acquisition of some of the vilest from the PNC era into the rank of the PPP not deemed "traitorous"? And by what metric are we measuring fealty or better fealty to what is construed as the proper kind? Is not the understanding that the term traitor could only be applied to those abjuring the fundamental precepts of the state? After all these are players in the game of governing.

The only lessons here is the macabre construct on which PPPites forge their ideological texts. It resides on a corrupt premise that the PPP is the state and without Indians at the helm. Moses and Ralph and any other has to vote their conscience. That rests on the principle that we are a nation forged out of colonialism and as a syncretic people we must be accommodating to all in more than words. Our institutions must reflect that.

Unfortunately, our institutions breed the false conception of nation hood as the domain of racist and autocrats under the rubric PPP. We musty be rid of the executive presidency, closed lists with nation wide constituency. Without that we get buffoons like the one we have with little knowledge of governing a transparent democracy.

D2: Did the AFC offer you a job in return for your endorsement? Furthermore, do you have an interest in the indigenous people affairs in Guyana?

Alas you are so trapped into that psychological prison of our patronage system you can only parse your understanding of the world in terms of it.

To the contrary. I refused to support the AFC the last time and was quite vocal here and on two other sites on their lacking of a clear policy then. I also supported the PPP and their promise for a different kind of Guyana because they say that is their plan. I did not ask them for a job nor did I want one then or now.

I am Guyanese and my right to speak out against injustice compels me to voice my opinion. They are a corrupt regime with no plans on change. They depend on ignorant people like you to keep them in office since they have stripped you of your capacity to objectively look beyond the curtains of their despotic and autocratic rule.

If you care to express yourself outside the context of the old patronage mentality and the odious and ignorant habit of suggesting people are traitors because you disagree with them I am happy to discus why I think as I do. I however, suggest you speak to me in terms of our institutions that make these monsters and tell me what is fair in a electoral system where ethnic nepotism and patronage serves to implant thieves as our rulers. I would be happy if you engage me and demonstrate why things are not as I say.

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Churchill doesn't have the political influence to move anyone.

I do not go around talking about who I know and don't know .....I have been in the USA since 1972 and know enough people of influence across the political divide in the USA and

elsewhere....

I can call on those folks at any time.....

Then you should have used your influence to change Guyana a long time ago when the people were crying as death was knocking at their door, from Bartica to Lusignan and Jagdeo lacked the leadership to protect them. What your influence can do today that wasn't there yesterday, Mr. Churchill? It's a little too late, isn't it?

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Originally posted by Chief:
Mr Churchill has close and personal realionship with Mr Nagamootoo and a few other old comrades from the PPP. One thing I can say about that group , they were very very loyal to the late Dr Cheddie Jagan however they are not known to be oppertunists.

They are not opportunists, but they are certainly confused by joining allegiance with the former Burnhamites of death.

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Originally posted by creative:
Churchee Bhai you and i know AFC would welcome you with open arms,you are a man of class.I can really post some honest incidents in the past,but i would be given up my identy especially to you.We have been there with great respect for each other.Peace and love brother,if i can do it so can you.VOTE AFC,ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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Originally posted by Cobra:
Churchill has the concepts to change things but not the strength. He should reserve himself to retirement. Much of his ideas is great but needed yesterday. Today, Guyana took an unstoppable turn with a new PPP in place, replacing the old PPP that the grass root supporters despise very much. No unlawful action can stop a legitimate election.

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I doubt Cobra comprehends what you wrote; look at his grammar in the heading.

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Churchill doesn't have the political influence to move anyone.

I do not go around talking about who I know and don't know .....I have been in the USA since 1972 and know enough people of influence across the political divide in the USA and

elsewhere....

I can call on those folks at any time.....

Then you should have used your influence to change Guyana a long time ago when the people were crying as death was knocking at their door, from Bartica to Lusignan and Jagdeo lacked the leadership to protect them. What your influence can do today that wasn't there yesterday, Mr. Churchill? It's a little too late, isn't it?

Who said I didn't use my influence ?.....There were security personnel ready and willing to go in and help the GOG but the champion didn't want " outside " influence....

I encouraged a trained security specialist who was in his middle 40's to discuss a plan of action with Rohee and he was told that he was too old to help in Guyana !

This same security specialist is now working with an American firm.....Guyana's loss !

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Originally posted by kidmost:

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Originally posted by Cobra:

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Churchill doesn't have the political influence to move anyone.

I do not go around talking about who I know and don't know .....I have been in the USA since 1972 and know enough people of influence across the political divide in the USA and

elsewhere....

I can call on those folks at any time.....

Then you should have used your influence to change Guyana a long time ago when the people were crying as death was knocking at their door, from Bartica to Lusignan and Jagdeo lacked the leadership to protect them. What your influence can do today that wasn't there yesterday, Mr. Churchill? It's a little too late, isn't it?

Who said I didn't use my influence ?.....There were security personnel ready and willing to go in and help the GOG but the champion didn't want " outside " influence....

I encouraged a trained security specialist who was in his middle 40's to discuss a plan of action with Rohee and he was told that he was too old to help in Guyana !

This same security specialist is now working with an American firm.....Guyana's loss !

it goes to show church you really dont know who and what you are dealing with in Guyana . Ah mean to offer Rohee or the PPP for that matter help is rather foolhardy !