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I ain teking sides, there is a political crisis in Guyana and Granger is supposed to be President until a new President is sworn in. The constitution has been temporarily suspended and GECOM really is the law of the land, currently. The Disciplined Forces and Judiciary is on the side of Granger.

With the Pandemic crisis, the country needs leadership. Granger can call on citizens to guide the Ministries, so far he would only call on previous ministers.

The man goes on unchecked.

When you guardians of democracy going to overrun the GDF, GDP and PNC judges and let the Guyanese be rid of Granger. It is Granger and only Granger that have to be dismissed. Not the PNC. Granger put himself as head of APNU.  

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ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
Tom posted:

Whatever it takes to remove the illegal PNc. All is fair in war and politics. FK granger. 

The Coalition Government of Guyana isn't ILLEGAL .

There is no government in Guyana right now bai. Anyone posing as a minister is committing fraud. Granger is a one pig show right now until the results are declared by GECOM showing that the PPP won 34 seats.

Who said the PPP won 34 seats ?

They did win 34 seats. That is what is giving the PNC and their supporters much bellywuk.

Incorrect !!!

Django
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Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
Tom posted:

Whatever it takes to remove the illegal PNc. All is fair in war and politics. FK granger. 

The Coalition Government of Guyana isn't ILLEGAL .

There is no government in Guyana right now bai. Anyone posing as a minister is committing fraud. Granger is a one pig show right now until the results are declared by GECOM showing that the PPP won 34 seats.

Who said the PPP won 34 seats ?

They did win 34 seats. That is what is giving the PNC and their supporters much bellywuk.

Incorrect !!!

Prove it !!!

FM
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
Tom posted:

Whatever it takes to remove the illegal PNc. All is fair in war and politics. FK granger. 

The Coalition Government of Guyana isn't ILLEGAL .

There is no government in Guyana right now bai. Anyone posing as a minister is committing fraud. Granger is a one pig show right now until the results are declared by GECOM showing that the PPP won 34 seats.

Who said the PPP won 34 seats ?

They did win 34 seats. That is what is giving the PNC and their supporters much bellywuk.

Incorrect !!!

Prove it !!!

Go to the GECOM website

T
Totaram posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
Tom posted:

Whatever it takes to remove the illegal PNc. All is fair in war and politics. FK granger. 

The Coalition Government of Guyana isn't ILLEGAL .

There is no government in Guyana right now bai. Anyone posing as a minister is committing fraud. Granger is a one pig show right now until the results are declared by GECOM showing that the PPP won 34 seats.

Who said the PPP won 34 seats ?

They did win 34 seats. That is what is giving the PNC and their supporters much bellywuk.

Incorrect !!!

Prove it !!!

Go to the GECOM website

I don't go through garbage. Seems like you are suitable for that.

FM
seignet posted:

I ain teking sides, there is a political crisis in Guyana and Granger is supposed to be President until a new President is sworn in. The constitution has been temporarily suspended and GECOM really is the law of the land, currently. The Disciplined Forces and Judiciary is on the side of Granger.

With the Pandemic crisis, the country needs leadership. Granger can call on citizens to guide the Ministries, so far he would only call on previous ministers.

The man goes on unchecked.

When you guardians of democracy going to overrun the GDF, GDP and PNC judges and let the Guyanese be rid of Granger. It is Granger and only Granger that have to be dismissed. Not the PNC. Granger put himself as head of APNU.  

 

You take sides the minute you mock defenders of democracy. In fact, you sound exactly like DJ. You pink slip showing bai. Kuile might be like crabs but them ain’t stupid.
Granger will fall, it’s his wickedness at display. If cancer don’t make him pass Shyte from his mouth, Guyanese who want white votes counted might drag him in the streets like a dog. 

FM
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django clutching at straws. The constitution clearly states that everyone is resigned on the day of the elections.

Said nothing about declaration. Must be the new PNC line since the Ethnic one isn't sticking.

Please read the Constitution of Guyana .

I read the pertinent parts. You are plainly lying when you just stated that the government is still in force when it is not. I told you that you are on the wrong side of history and you keep making your own history with all your bad judgements lately.

FM
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django clutching at straws. The constitution clearly states that everyone is resigned on the day of the elections.

Said nothing about declaration. Must be the new PNC line since the Ethnic one isn't sticking.

Please read the Constitution of Guyana .

I read the pertinent parts.

You are plainly lying when you just stated that the government is still in force when it is not.

I told you that you are on the wrong side of history and you keep making your own history with all your bad judgements lately.

I never said that .

Your last sentence is your take.

Django
Tom posted:

The government no longer exists after an election is held. Granger is in a caretaker mode. USA declared them a de facto regime. 

Who is going to change them? 

The law seys that.

They choose not to go.

The USA follows the law of diplomacy. Deh ain running into Guyana and arrest the PNC and Granger. That is for whomever gat the baltzs to come against the Army and Police, then the judge will jail their azzez for treason.

Know wah yuh dealing wid. These ppl are talented in their schemes.

Dey tek away the PPP votes, until dey count it.

 

S

Bai, Hoyte finally buckled after resisting. Yes, I blame A tiny fraction of dutty Kulies who joined along with AFC to put him there but the tide is changing, a significant amount of mixed and some Afros votes PPP this time around. Granger will fall, he is clutching at straws. It’s only a matter of time. 

Granger will die with Shyte coming from his mouth or angry Guyanese who want their votes counted may drag him in the streets like gadafi. He is living a false dream. FK granger.

America put a bounty on the Venezualan dictator head, granger will be the next.  

FM
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ksazma posted:
Totaram posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
Tom posted:

Whatever it takes to remove the illegal PNc. All is fair in war and politics. FK granger. 

The Coalition Government of Guyana isn't ILLEGAL .

There is no government in Guyana right now bai. Anyone posing as a minister is committing fraud. Granger is a one pig show right now until the results are declared by GECOM showing that the PPP won 34 seats.

Who said the PPP won 34 seats ?

They did win 34 seats. That is what is giving the PNC and their supporters much bellywuk.

Incorrect !!!

Prove it !!!

Go to the GECOM website

I don't go through garbage. Seems like you are suitable for that.

He is a garbage collector.

FM

Ministers, which includes the Prime Minster, and Vice-Presidents no longer hold their offices
No longer entitled to publicly funded salaries, and benefits, and use of state resources

Charles S. Ramson
Attorney at Law

Given the protracted delay with the declaration of the election result, the issue of whether persons appointed by the President to be Ministers, which includes the Prime Minister, and Vice Presidents, still hold their respective offices was raised as citizens questioned, quite rightfully, whether those persons should still be referring to themselves as such and receiving salaries and other benefits connected thereto all of which is paid for by citizens.

For reference, the important Articles of the Constitution of Guyana on the issue are: 61, 101, 103, 104, 106, 112, and 183.

For the sake of simplification, Art. 104 states that the appointments of the Prime Minister, Vice-Presidents and Ministers shall have effect - which means shall be valid or in force – in “any period between a dissolution of Parliament and the day on which the next election of members of the National Assembly is held”. It is important to note that the Article did not state that the respective appointments shall have effect until the result of the election is declared, it states “the day on which the next election” is held. The day on which the election is held is appointed by the President (see Art. 61) and Granger in his capacity as President issued a Proclamation on the 1st Oct, 2019, for the holding of elections which stated that, “the day for an election under Article 60 (2) appoints 2nd March 2020 as the day on which an election of members of the National Assembly shall be held.” Simply for the sake of completeness, Granger in his capacity as President issued a Proclamation for the dissolution of Parliament the 30th December, 2019.

Even though Art. 183 outlines the circumstances in which the office of a Minister becomes vacant, Art. 104 states the period until the respective appointments shall have effect - an important distinction. With the day of the election appointed as and held on 2nd March, 2020, the Ministers, which includes the Prime Minister, and the Vice Presidents no longer hold valid appointments as at the 2nd March, 2020.

Having already had the Cabinet, including the President as a member thereof, resigned by virtue of the successful passage of the no-confidence vote in Parliament on the 21st December, 2018, this means that the only elected persons of the Government who now remain are the President, who becomes a repository of all previously appointed ministerial portfolios (see Art. 99), and the Attorney General (though not the Minister of Legal Affairs - see Art. 112), still functioning in a caretaker capacity.

Premised on the foregoing, Ministers, which includes the Prime Minister, and Vice Presidents no longer have valid appointments and are not legally entitled to receive any salaries, benefits, and use of state resources connected thereto. Any such receipt thereof would naturally necessitate the institution of legal proceedings for restitution and malfeasance in public office for persons making payments thereto.

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FM
Tom posted:

The government no longer exists after an election is held. Granger is in a caretaker mode. USA declared them a de facto regime. 

Bhai, Django say he know law very very well, but he too old to take up the profession lol ... never mind a few of his friends who is a lill older take up the profession and doing good. 

Imagine if Django was the Judge in Guyana... Jagdeo will never win a case. 

FM

His defence of an illegal administration and a bunch of riggers is shameless and disgraceful. History and Karma will NOT be kind to him.

PNC control the judiciary and US acknowledged that. DJ hates he Mattie and democracy.

"For the sake of simplification, Art. 104 states that the appointments of the Prime Minister, Vice-Presidents and Ministers shall have effect - which means shall be valid or in force – in “any period between a dissolution of Parliament and the day on which the next election of members of the National Assembly is held”. It is important to note that the Article did not state that the respective appointments shall have effect until the result of the election is declared, it states “the day on which the next election” is held. The day on which the election is held is appointed by the President (see Art. 61) and Granger in his capacity as President issued a Proclamation on the 1st Oct, 2019, for the holding of elections which stated that, “the day for an election under Article 60 (2) appoints 2nd March 2020 as the day on which an election of members of the National Assembly shall be held.” Simply for the sake of completeness, Granger in his capacity as President issued a Proclamation for the dissolution of Parliament the 30th December, 2019.

Even though Art. 183 outlines the circumstances in which the office of a Minister becomes vacant, Art. 104 states the period until the respective appointments shall have effect - an important distinction. With the day of the election appointed as and held on 2nd March, 2020, the Ministers, which includes the Prime Minister, and the Vice Presidents no longer hold valid appointments as at the 2nd March, 2020.

Having already had the Cabinet, including the President as a member thereof, resigned by virtue of the successful passage of the no-confidence vote in Parliament on the 21st December, 2018, this means that the only elected persons of the Government who now remain are the President, who becomes a repository of all previously appointed ministerial portfolios (see Art. 99), and the Attorney General (though not the Minister of Legal Affairs - see Art. 112), still functioning in a caretaker capacity."

FM
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Full Court to rule Tuesday in appeal against trial of recount case

Mar 30, 2020

Source

Chief Justice Roxane George and Justice Nareshwar Harnanan

The trial of the case blocking the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) from carrying out a recount of votes cast on March 02 will not start today as the Full Court has “stayed” the proceedings until it determines whether Justice Franklyn Holder erred in deciding that he has the jurisdiction to hear the case.

The Full Court, comprised of Chief Justice Roxane George and Justice Nareshwar Harnanan, heard an appeal against Justice Holder’s decision to take the case to trial and will give a ruling at 11:00 hrs on Tuesday.

On Friday last, Justice Holder ruled that he has jurisdiction to hear the matter.

Attorneys for Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo and three political parties which contested the elections argue that the law is clear that the Court cannot inquire into the deliberations of the Commission.

The full Commission had agreed to a national recount of votes cast on March 02, 2020, as per an agreement between President David Granger, Opposition Leader Jagdeo and the CARICOM Secretariat.

But APNU+AFC Candidate Ulita Moore was granted orders from the Court blocking the recount on the basis that the Commission cannot act on the agreement.

Justice Claudette Singh, the Chair of GECOM, in an affidavit to the High Court made it clear that the Constitution mandates GECOM to act where there are questions over the fairness and transparency of the electoral process and that the Court should not prevent GECOM from carrying out a recount which the Chief Justice has already accepted as the remedy if there are discrepancies with the Region Four vote count.

The GECOM chair said the decision of the recount was GECOM’s and that the CARICOM team was simply the mechanism to ensure transparency and not a case of political leaders usurping the functions of GECOM as an independent constitutional body.

In her affidavit, the GECOM chair noted that Article  161 (1) (b) of the Constitution provides clear and convincing authority for GECOM to take action it finds necessary and expedient to ensure impartiality, fairness and compliance with the provisions of the Constitution or any Act of Parliament.

Django
Django posted:

Full Court to rule Tuesday in appeal against trial of recount case

Mar 30, 2020,  Source

Justice Claudette Singh, the Chair of GECOM, in an affidavit to the High Court made it clear that the Constitution mandates GECOM to act where there are questions over the fairness and transparency of the electoral process and that the Court should not prevent GECOM from carrying out a recount which the Chief Justice has already accepted as the remedy if there are discrepancies with the Region Four vote count.

In her affidavit, the GECOM chair noted that Article  161 (1) (b) of the Constitution provides clear and convincing authority for GECOM to take action it finds necessary and expedient to ensure impartiality, fairness and compliance with the provisions of the Constitution or any Act of Parliament.

Fundamental issue --- it is solely GECOM's responsibility. =PERIOD=

FM
Dave posted:
Tom posted:

The government no longer exists after an election is held. Granger is in a caretaker mode. USA declared them a de facto regime. 

Bhai, Django say he know law very very well, but he too old to take up the profession lol ... never mind a few of his friends who is a lill older take up the profession and doing good. 

Imagine if Django was the Judge in Guyana... Jagdeo will never win a case. 

So you saying some of my friends ,whom are older at my current age ,  are CURRENTLY in LAW SCHOOL ?

Just asking .

Django
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Django posted:
Django posted:

Spamming removed. All insults to posters will also be removed. It's derailing the thread.

Need to keep the thread clean.

Please note my earlier post.

What the rass you trying to say... 

If you are making reference to Anil Video... it is about the court case. If that is a issue delete it s kont. I man will start a new thread and post same. 

I thought its best to keep everything under one portfolio. 

So much for Spamming ... you give it new meaning. 

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Django posted:

Spamming removed. All insults to posters will also be removed. It's derailing the thread.

Need to keep the thread clean.

Please note my earlier post.

What the rass you trying to say... 

If you are making reference to Anil Video... it is about the court case.

Banna , the video was posted by myself on this thread.

Loosing focus.

Django
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Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Django posted:

Spamming removed. All insults to posters will also be removed. It's derailing the thread.

Need to keep the thread clean.

Please note my earlier post.

What the rass you trying to say... 

If you are making reference to Anil Video... it is about the court case.

Banna , the video was posted by myself on this thread.

Loosing focus.

Sorry ... I now see you talking to yo self... could undastand ... take it easy uncle. 

FM
Django posted:
Reeper posted:

Am I missing something here? This senior admin keeps posting topics portraying the situation in Guyana as a problem of division rather than attempts to circumvent democracy. 

Reeper bhai , DEMOCRACY alive in Guyana ,it's not dead and buried ,....

Disputable statement. But I can't change your mind. Me give up pon yuh.

FM

@django

Sorry to say that I observed that the govt have been trying in earnest to change the narrative from blatant attempts to rig the elections in its favor to a narrative of ethnic division. How can you say with  a straight face that democracy is alive and well in Guyana when International bodies all condemn the attempts to corrupt the SOP's of region 4?  

FM
Reeper posted:

Am I missing something here? This senior admin keeps posting topics portraying the situation in Guyana as a problem of division rather than attempts to circumvent democracy. 

They playing to the Black caucuses in the US trying to lobby on a basis of race. They have one huge problem, the ambassador on the ground who saw all the young Afros dancing in red. Then they touting the Russian narrative accusing a group which the ambassador herself is a guest member.

They weave a tangled web. When one story falls flat, another limb. Everything was going well until they lost!

Baseman
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Casablanca posted:
ksazma posted:

I was given personal guarantee by a GNIer that there will not be any rigging in this elections. I can say with 100% certainty that that guarantee was completely worthless.

I empathize with you...Don't trust that person anymore...Hope you didn't lose a big bet...

I never play to lose so I never lose. What that person lost if they ever had it was their integrity.

FM
Reeper posted:

@django

Sorry to say that I observed that the govt have been trying in earnest to change the narrative from blatant attempts to rig the elections in its favor to a narrative of ethnic division.

How can you say with  a straight face that democracy is alive and well in Guyana when International bodies all condemn the attempts to corrupt the SOP's of region 4?  

The Official Election results haven't declared as yet ,no government have been sworn in ,which should be noted. The condemnation for attempts to corrupt  can be corrected ,the tally of Region 4 voters ,can be verified by the GECOM Commission .There are still light at the end of tunnel ,the hard copies of the SOPS can be presented for verification or recount of the votes.

Django
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ksazma posted:
Casablanca posted:
ksazma posted:

I was given personal guarantee by a GNIer that there will not be any rigging in this elections. I can say with 100% certainty that that guarantee was completely worthless.

I empathize with you...Don't trust that person anymore...Hope you didn't lose a big bet...

I never play to lose so I never lose. What that person lost if they ever had it was their integrity.

Your prediction may not come to fruition.

Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

I was given personal guarantee by a GNIer that there will not be any rigging in this elections. I can say with 100% certainty that that guarantee was completely worthless.

You will find out who are the real riggers when the debacle ends.

Bai, my last day on GNI is no later than Saturday and I don't see this getting cleared up by then.

FM

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