I wrote this on a U.S Virgin Islands Facebook page, but it can apply to Guyana. As for Guyana, the possibility is there that all that land, all that potential can be taken over by foreigners and it appears it is heading that way considering the prospect of 18,000 new expats coming to the country, the majority of them being white foreigners.

Since writing the piece below and coming back from Guyana, I met with a few Guyanese and the comments were: "I am not going back" or "I don't even plan to go back there to live because...crime, bad mind, no opportunity, etc." I hear the SAME thing from my disapora peers from the U.S Virgin Islands. 

What are your thoughts?

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Almost without fail, if you ask just about anyone on or from a Caribbean island or Africa what they think about their government or police, you get people who are suspicious and lacking faith in either. The common refrain is that they are both corrupt and incompetent. As for the government, when it comes to money, the local population often concludes that government officials pocket money for themselves at the expense of their people suffering. In places like Haiti, complaints are often made that foreign aid goes missing and never make it to the common people. In Guyana, where offshore oil has been recently discovered, much of the population has already given up hope oil proceeds will benefit them and that the government will steal or squander much of it. On a few islands, people believe the government is selling off their lands to the highest bidder or giving too much rights and access to foreign countries like China.


In the Virgin Islands, time and time again, I have seen people begging for “the Feds” to come to the islands and clean up the crime mess and I have even heard some people in places like Guyana and Jamaica express a regret that they are no longer under the British flag because of lack of faith in their current institutions. Some point to islands like the British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands and Bermuda, still part of the British Commonwealth and successful, as shining examples of what other independent Caribbean islands are missing.


I say all of the above as a backdrop for a Devil’s advocate argument. It was a recent conversation I had with someone that got me thinking about this.


There is this spoken or unspoken narrative that predominantly black/brown countries are backwards, with clueless leaders. Supposedly, we don’t know what we are doing and we have poor governance. As stated above, we admit as much. As a result, we give rise to the “white savior” narrative where people like, say, a Donald Trump, can scoff at a place like Puerto Rico as being a money pit that deserve no sympathy. Considering what I said up top, are we unwittingly playing into this narrative? Are we little children that cannot make it in the world without our hands being held? As for the U.S Virgin Islands, in light of the constant lament of government mismanagement, does the bold declaration to seek self-determination, make sense if we can’t even right our own ship? How do we counter the narrative if we are not in any encouraging position to show?

Thoughts?

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Makari posted:

I wrote this on a U.S Virgin Islands Facebook page, but it can apply to Guyana. As for Guyana, the possibility is there that all that land, all that potential can be taken over by foreigners and it appears it is heading that way considering the prospect of 18,000 new expats coming to the country, the majority of them being white foreigners.
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. Considering what I said up top, are we unwittingly playing into this narrative? Are we little children that cannot make it in the world without our hands being held? As for the U.S Virgin Islands, in light of the constant lament of government mismanagement, does the bold declaration to seek self-determination, make sense if we can’t even right our own ship? How do we counter the narrative if we are not in any encouraging position to show?

Thoughts?

you forgot Antigua where crony capitalism reached new heights under the birds. 

Guyana's problem is its reciprocal racist disease as the two larger tribal groups compete to capture the state as an ethnic prize. As each successive regimes has a constituency of supplicants to placate, nepotism trumps merit and the states institutions suffer. Our crime rate is a direct consequence of our inability to ever constitute a reliable police force. 

My take is that ruthless Govts like the PNC have indoctrinate the majority of supporters to look away from their bad governance, they use RACE as the main method of dividing while at the same time increasing their Power and benefits at the expense of the citizens. Many Guyanese are intelligent people, but many are always scared while some like you see here are Jim Jones like supporters. A Country gets the Leaders its Citizens encourage and support. The 'White Savior" doctrine you referred to is not wide spread BUT the powerful Western Corporations with the help of their Govt are verse in swindling the resources of the Third World by buying off the socalled Leaders, thereby making a few rich and happy and leave the rest of the population in FILTH. Just my 2 cents Makari.

Prashad posted:

I hope that this Makari is not the former member Kari.

Who? I know of no such person, I can assure you that. I am completely new to this site.

Was this person a pariah? If so, I do not want to be associated with such or perceived as such.

What have I posted to gives that impression?

Stormborn posted:
Makari posted:

I wrote this on a U.S Virgin Islands Facebook page, but it can apply to Guyana. As for Guyana, the possibility is there that all that land, all that potential can be taken over by foreigners and it appears it is heading that way considering the prospect of 18,000 new expats coming to the country, the majority of them being white foreigners.
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. Considering what I said up top, are we unwittingly playing into this narrative? Are we little children that cannot make it in the world without our hands being held? As for the U.S Virgin Islands, in light of the constant lament of government mismanagement, does the bold declaration to seek self-determination, make sense if we can’t even right our own ship? How do we counter the narrative if we are not in any encouraging position to show?

Thoughts?

you forgot Antigua where crony capitalism reached new heights under the birds. 

Guyana's problem is its reciprocal racist disease as the two larger tribal groups compete to capture the state as an ethnic prize. As each successive regimes has a constituency of supplicants to placate, nepotism trumps merit and the states institutions suffer. Our crime rate is a direct consequence of our inability to ever constitute a reliable police force. 

Interesting reponse. I agree, at least from my observation.

Guyanese ppl do not care at all about flag, anthem, land or progress. If an Indian has some land from the government, then dem is soup drinkers. Likewise that goes for Afro-Guyanese as well.

As long as every body is poor, eeking out a living and suffering is manageable, the politicians are happy. That way, as dey say in Guyana,"dey ketching dey azz."

Most important, those who knows better also are on racial bad wagon-failure to compromise.

I use to love going to Guyana, several times in the year. Now, it is too dam scary.  

Nehru posted:
 

My take is that ruthless Govts like the PNC have indoctrinate the majority of supporters to look away from their bad governance, they use RACE as the main method of dividing while at the same time increasing their Power and benefits at the expense of the citizens.

Many Guyanese are intelligent people, but many are always scared while some like you see here are Jim Jones like supporters. A Country gets the Leaders its Citizens encourage and support.

The 'White Savior" doctrine you referred to is not wide spread BUT the powerful Western Corporations with the help of their Govt are verse in swindling the resources of the Third World by buying off the socalled Leaders, thereby making a few rich and happy and leave the rest of the population in FILTH.

Just my 2 cents Makari.

What an interesting response, does it look fair and unbiased ?

Stormborn posted:
Makari posted:

I wrote this on a U.S Virgin Islands Facebook page, but it can apply to Guyana. As for Guyana, the possibility is there that all that land, all that potential can be taken over by foreigners and it appears it is heading that way considering the prospect of 18,000 new expats coming to the country, the majority of them being white foreigners.
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. Considering what I said up top, are we unwittingly playing into this narrative? Are we little children that cannot make it in the world without our hands being held? As for the U.S Virgin Islands, in light of the constant lament of government mismanagement, does the bold declaration to seek self-determination, make sense if we can’t even right our own ship? How do we counter the narrative if we are not in any encouraging position to show?

Thoughts?

. Our crime rate is a direct consequence of our inability to ever constitute a reliable police force. 

Cops’ numbers were found in slain bandit’s phone

-ranks call for corruption probe, implicate senior officer

Kelvin Shivgobin (Police photo)

The numbers of four policemen stationed in ‘B’ Division (Berbice) were found stored in the cellphone of accused bandit Kelvin Shivgobin, who was killed in the recent shootout at Black Bush Polder and some of their fellow ranks want an independent investigation as they say the four are engaged in corrupt practices and are being aided by a senior officer in the Guyana Police Force leadership.

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...slain-bandits-phone/

Cayman, BVI and Bermuda are only nominally under the UK flag.  Their economies are heavily based on off shore finance, a sector which the UK govt is determined to destroy.  

If the UK gov't had its way these islands would be all poor because there would be no off shore sector.  In addition there have been quite a few allegations of extreme corruption at least as bad as one would find in the independent nations.

The UK ignores them except when someone in London gets a bee in their bonnet that UK is about to collapse because these islands are allowing British tycoons to get away without paying income taxes to the UK gov't.

The Bahamas is the richest independent nation as it is also a tax haven.  That explains their wealth more than any UK involvement.  Poverty was rampant and class oppression extreme when the Union Jack ruled the Caribbean skies.  Some might have forgotten that!

Dave posted:
 

Cops’ numbers were found in slain bandit’s phone

-ranks call for corruption probe, implicate senior officer

Kelvin Shivgobin (Police photo)

The numbers of four policemen stationed in ‘B’ Division (Berbice) were found stored in the cellphone of accused bandit Kelvin Shivgobin, who was killed in the recent shootout at Black Bush Polder and some of their fellow ranks want an independent investigation as they say the four are engaged in corrupt practices and are being aided by a senior officer in the Guyana Police Force leadership.

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...slain-bandits-phone/

Investigate and exposed the crooked cops.

Django posted:
Nehru posted:
 

My take is that ruthless Govts like the PNC have indoctrinate the majority of supporters to look away from their bad governance, they use RACE as the main method of dividing while at the same time increasing their Power and benefits at the expense of the citizens.

Many Guyanese are intelligent people, but many are always scared while some like you see here are Jim Jones like supporters. A Country gets the Leaders its Citizens encourage and support.

The 'White Savior" doctrine you referred to is not wide spread BUT the powerful Western Corporations with the help of their Govt are verse in swindling the resources of the Third World by buying off the socalled Leaders, thereby making a few rich and happy and leave the rest of the population in FILTH.

Just my 2 cents Makari.

What an interesting response, does it look fair and unbiased ?

No its more of the typical "black man bad, Indo good" nonsense that we get from the Indo KKK on this site.

BOTH the PPP and the PNC have exploited ethnic insecurities in Guyana.  BOTH groups have suffered ethnic marginalization as a result. Its the Indo KKK set who put 100% of the blame on blacks as they peddle their nonsense of black inferiority.

caribny posted:

BOTH the PPP and the PNC have exploited ethnic insecurities in Guyana.  BOTH groups have suffered ethnic marginalization as a result. Its the Indo KKK set who put 100% of the blame on blacks as they peddle their nonsense of black inferiority.

Most here are aware of the behavior of the two peas of the same pod. The fellas continuously exposing themselves , they need to pull their heads out of the sand.

Nehru posted:

HEHE When you are going to figure out how to get your head out of your kakahole?????????????? Or the scent is so good, you have no intention to do so?????

Ray should ban your sorry pathetic behind for derailing every thread with your nonsensical vile verbiage.  You and Ugli gone would never be missed and collective board IQ will achieve 100 for a change.

Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

Cops’ numbers were found in slain bandit’s phone

-ranks call for corruption probe, implicate senior officer

Kelvin Shivgobin (Police photo)

The numbers of four policemen stationed in ‘B’ Division (Berbice) were found stored in the cellphone of accused bandit Kelvin Shivgobin, who was killed in the recent shootout at Black Bush Polder and some of their fellow ranks want an independent investigation as they say the four are engaged in corrupt practices and are being aided by a senior officer in the Guyana Police Force leadership.

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...slain-bandits-phone/

Investigate and exposed the crooked cops.

If this gov't. is serious about fighting crime they would place this matter on the front burner and bring to justice all those police officers who are in cahoots with criminals.  Jagdeo complained about rogue police officers during the 2001-2002 crime wave who aided criminals in the Buxton.  

Billy Ram Balgobin posted
:If this gov't. is serious about fighting crime they would place this matter on the front burner and bring to justice all those police officers who are in cahoots with criminals.  
Yes..totally agree.

 

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