It was referenced and noted publicly by reputably election monitors over the years that all elections under the PNCR after 1964 were fraudulently conducted to gave the PNCR huge majorities.
Demerara_Guy posted:It was referenced and noted publicly by reputably election monitors over the years that all elections under the PNCR after 1964 were fraudulently conducted to gave the PNCR huge majorities.
We all know that captain 👨✈️ obvious. But we are talking 2015, lots changed including the fact that the PPP had ruled for 23 years and had morphed into an arrogant corrupt cabal! And the AFC peeled off support from traditional PPP strongholds! And the demographics have changed significantly! So,as they say, history is no guarantee of future outcomes.
Keffer posted:Cobra posted:Finally, minister Harmon has spoken with confidence that the coalition will continue to hold power after 2020 and beyond.
With the same token, the PPP should make a public statement of how they intended to win the next election. Things are getting interesting onwards.
Total BS ! The only way for APNU/PNC to remain in office is by rigging elections !! They have never ever fairly won an election ....never !!
Rest yourself!
America decides that!
Baseman posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Keffer posted:Baseman posted:Keffer posted:Cobra posted:Finally, minister Harmon has spoken with confidence that the coalition will continue to hold power after 2020 and beyond.
With the same token, the PPP should make a public statement of how they intended to win the next election. Things are getting interesting onwards.
Total BS ! The only way for APNU/PNC to remain in office is by rigging elections !! They have never ever fairly won an election ....never !!
Maybe, but they did win in 2015!
PNC has NEVER EVER fairly won any election ! If you are referring to the last Guyana general election, large numbers of PPP supporters were frivolously refused entry into polling stations in areas which were overwhelmingly pro-PPP !! You can scream, holler and write whatever you want but it is public knowledge that that is the truth so quit with your BS !! How do I know that ? I was in Guyana and saw the brutal, barefaced treachery of the PNC via the army and police with my own eyes !!!
The PPP can NEVER EVER lose any election that is free and fair. At any time - past, present, or foreseeable future.
Yea!! This is the arrogance why they lost and why Hillary lost here too. I was following some of the blogs after elecyand there were young Indians who openly admitted voting for the coalition.
PPP had grown arrogant and corrupt. That’s why they lost support. Ask Ralf Ramkarran why he lambasted the politburo!
And me forget to add, dem Maharani sistas converted nuff in Lusignan/Good hope “pasture “,
The biggest and most important task right now is to be alert and stave off moves towards rigging in 2020. From the PPP standpoint, the choice of Patterson as GECOM Chairman was an indication that APNU+AFC doesn't intend to play fair.
Right now in Region 1 a coalition MP's active participation in the registration of births is being viewed with suspicion. Prior to 1992 the PNC was criticized for issuing/facilitating false birth certificates to its constituents.
There are various elements of the rigging process before Election Day. On Election Day itself PNC/APNU hooliganism and bullyism occur at certain selected polling stations with the aim of deterring PPP supporters [Indians] from voting. Keffer is not the only one who observed that in 2015.
So, as far as possible, PPP and civil society have to work towards free and fair elections in 2020. Only that way will a PPP victory become possible but not a certainty.
Gilbakka posted:The biggest and most important task right now is to be alert and stave off moves towards rigging in 2020. From the PPP standpoint, the choice of Patterson as GECOM Chairman was an indication that APNU+AFC doesn't intend to play fair.
Right now in Region 1 a coalition MP's active participation in the registration of births is being viewed with suspicion. Prior to 1992 the PNC was criticized for issuing/facilitating false birth certificates to its constituents.
There are various elements of the rigging process before Election Day. On Election Day itself PNC/APNU hooliganism and bullyism occur at certain selected polling stations with the aim of deterring PPP supporters [Indians] from voting. Keffer is not the only one who observed that in 2015.
So, as far as possible, PPP and civil society have to work towards free and fair elections in 2020. Only that way will a PPP victory become possible but not a certainty.
You were one who wanted to see the back of BJ at any cost. Now pack up yuh grip and go fight off the PNC. You are useless 3000 miles away!
Baseman posted:Gilbakka posted:The biggest and most important task right now is to be alert and stave off moves towards rigging in 2020. From the PPP standpoint, the choice of Patterson as GECOM Chairman was an indication that APNU+AFC doesn't intend to play fair.
Right now in Region 1 a coalition MP's active participation in the registration of births is being viewed with suspicion. Prior to 1992 the PNC was criticized for issuing/facilitating false birth certificates to its constituents.
There are various elements of the rigging process before Election Day. On Election Day itself PNC/APNU hooliganism and bullyism occur at certain selected polling stations with the aim of deterring PPP supporters [Indians] from voting. Keffer is not the only one who observed that in 2015.
So, as far as possible, PPP and civil society have to work towards free and fair elections in 2020. Only that way will a PPP victory become possible but not a certainty.
You were one who wanted to see the back of BJ at any cost. Now pack up yuh grip and go fight off the PNC. You are useless 3000 miles away!
Base, with due respect, only a few days ago you yourself stated that your engineer brother supported Granger and today you said "dem Maharani sistas" did likewise. You don't attack them. Why the double standard? Why your consistent personal attack on me?
Gilbakka, I will let Baseman take up your point later. But for now, base on your comment above, regardless of Patterson, the PPP is entering the election for the sake of an election. I don't see a winning strategy and the PPP know they are not going to win. Late 2019, U.S. will be giving out thousands of visas again. From now until 2020, another 5000 PPP voters may be dead. Little by little the PPP base is shrinking.
You are beating a dead horse.
Mitwah posted:Dave posted:Mitwah posted:Keffer posted:ksazma posted:Baseman posted:Maybe, but they did win in 2015!
What was the result of the recount?
What did recount matter when the PNC goons and thugs, with shameless support from gun-toting police and soldiers brazenly and blatantly prevented thousands of PPP supporters from voting; yes ...thousands ??
That's not true.
Mitt didn’t you left Guyana as a kid. How much do you know what transpired during elections 🤔
The PPP lost twice. Before that, the PPP coveted a seat from the AFC.
Dumb-Ass, take a good, long close look at each of the following before opening your foul mouth and spewing your arrogance and ignorance here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hXup2LaQGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_uVoDq7aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyyROGJOjLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OccKIRm8-WQ&t=65s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...Xup2LaQGo&t=780s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4edAtrKfaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtMVGp9GNe4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaKCy-pWcXo
Despite clear, incontrovertible evidence of brazen and blatant electoral fraud as can be seen in each of the above, only a brainless ignoramus will post such shyte about PPP 'coveting a seat'; whatever such rubbish means !
Baseman posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Keffer posted:Baseman posted:Keffer posted:Cobra posted:Finally, minister Harmon has spoken with confidence that the coalition will continue to hold power after 2020 and beyond.
With the same token, the PPP should make a public statement of how they intended to win the next election. Things are getting interesting onwards.
Total BS ! The only way for APNU/PNC to remain in office is by rigging elections !! They have never ever fairly won an election ....never !!
Maybe, but they did win in 2015!
PNC has NEVER EVER fairly won any election ! If you are referring to the last Guyana general election, large numbers of PPP supporters were frivolously refused entry into polling stations in areas which were overwhelmingly pro-PPP !! You can scream, holler and write whatever you want but it is public knowledge that that is the truth so quit with your BS !! How do I know that ? I was in Guyana and saw the brutal, barefaced treachery of the PNC via the army and police with my own eyes !!!
The PPP can NEVER EVER lose any election that is free and fair. At any time - past, present, or foreseeable future.
Yea!! This is the arrogance why they lost and why Hillary lost here too. I was following some of the blogs after elecyand there were young Indians who openly admitted voting for the coalition.
PPP had grown arrogant and corrupt. That’s why they lost support. Ask Ralf Ramkarran why he lambasted the politburo!
There has been ongoing PNC chatter about massive corruption by PPP, however, one has to seriously wonder why there have so far been no successful prosecutions of PPP members to date. Unless and until charges and convictions are registered, such statements amount to nothing but valueless BS ! When these loudmouth PNC hoodlums are asked about the reasons for the demises of institutions like Guyana National Co-op Bank, Guyana AgriBank, GNTC etc, they suddenly become deaf and their mouths quickly recede into their rectums ..... very strange; isn't it !!!
Mitwah posted:Dave posted:Mitwah posted:Keffer posted:ksazma posted:Baseman posted:Maybe, but they did win in 2015!
What was the result of the recount?
What did recount matter when the PNC goons and thugs, with shameless support from gun-toting police and soldiers brazenly and blatantly prevented thousands of PPP supporters from voting; yes ...thousands ??
That's not true.
Mitt didn’t you left Guyana as a kid. How much do you know what transpired during elections 🤔
The PPP lost twice. Before that, the PPP coveted a seat from the AFC.
That's correct,were it not for the illegal Burnham 1980 Constitution which the PPP embrtaced dearly,they could not have been the ruling government.
It's ironic some folks castigate Burnham "the rigger of elections" and on the other hand worships the illegal document which was designed for a winner take all government.
Dear Editor,
Mr Anil Nandlall has offered compelling evidence to show how Burnham subverted the law and the independence constitution to drive his ambition of having absolute power in Guyana (riposte titled `While the Westminster Constitution remained in force for 16 years Burnham dismantled some pillars on which it was constructed’ (SN Feb 23).
Nandlall solidly and irrefutably debunks Prof Henry Jeffrey’s contention with facts and not theoretical constructs as Jeffrey posited. But Nandlall fails to mention that his party, PPP, supported or at a minimum did not stridently oppose some of the authoritarian and illegal actions of Burnham because these were in Dr. Jagan’s view “anti imperialist and progressive”. Never mind the illegality of the acts as long as they were anti-British, that was fine for Jagan and socialist colleagues. Jagan did not pay heed to the consequences of Burnhamism and its impact on the supporters of the PPP or the nation. Socialism and anti- imperialism was a nobler cause. Supporters were sacrificed on the altar of political expediency and they are suffering today and would continue to suffer for decades to come because of political mistakes of their leadership.
Nandlall correctly noted that the 1978 referendum to replace the Westminster constitution was rigged therefore null and void. The PPP launched a campaign against the referendum in in July 1978 in which only 12% voted, and thereafter, the party and others waged a struggle against the constitution that was promulgated without the approval of the population. I and several Guyanese in the diaspora joined in that struggle. It was agreed by the PPP, other opposition parties, and international Guyanese forces that whenever there would be a restoration of democracy, the Burnham constitution would be revoked. Jagan made a commitment in 1992 before the first democratic election was held that should he win the Presidency, his first act would be to replace the constitution. Jagan and the PPP broke their promise. Twenty five years later, a handful of us in the diaspora are still engaged in that struggle to replace the constitution.
Nandlall and his colleagues, including Bharrat Jagdeo and Frank Anthony, are on record as supporting the Burnham constitution. They asked what is wrong with it. To begin with, it is illegal and as a practicing constitutionalist, Nandlall should know that is all that matters.
Nandlall, Jagdeo, Anthony, etc were very young, in short pants, when a few of us were in the trenches opposing the referendum and the constitution during the late 1970s. We, including some in the PPP, were physically abused at rallies and protests. Those who enjoyed exercising the powers of the Burnham constitution since the 1992 restoration of democratic rule have not related to our struggle against a fraudulent document. The opposition fails to understand that the very powers in the constitution that they look forward to invoke are currently being used against them. Also, there is no guarantee they would return to government. It is my analysis that those in government would remain in office for decades to come. They should therefore oppose the constitution and call for its immediate replacement with a constitution that restricts powers of the executive and that share the government with all elected parties in proportion to the percentage of votes obtained in a free and fair election. The Westminster constitution of 1966, for all its flaws, without the Burnham amendments, is still better than an illegal Burnham constitution.
Yours faithfully,
Vishnu Bisram
Keffer posted:Baseman posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Keffer posted:Baseman posted:Keffer posted:Cobra posted:Finally, minister Harmon has spoken with confidence that the coalition will continue to hold power after 2020 and beyond.
With the same token, the PPP should make a public statement of how they intended to win the next election. Things are getting interesting onwards.
Total BS ! The only way for APNU/PNC to remain in office is by rigging elections !! They have never ever fairly won an election ....never !!
Maybe, but they did win in 2015!
PNC has NEVER EVER fairly won any election ! If you are referring to the last Guyana general election, large numbers of PPP supporters were frivolously refused entry into polling stations in areas which were overwhelmingly pro-PPP !! You can scream, holler and write whatever you want but it is public knowledge that that is the truth so quit with your BS !! How do I know that ? I was in Guyana and saw the brutal, barefaced treachery of the PNC via the army and police with my own eyes !!!
The PPP can NEVER EVER lose any election that is free and fair. At any time - past, present, or foreseeable future.
Yea!! This is the arrogance why they lost and why Hillary lost here too. I was following some of the blogs after elecyand there were young Indians who openly admitted voting for the coalition.
PPP had grown arrogant and corrupt. That’s why they lost support. Ask Ralf Ramkarran why he lambasted the politburo!
There has been ongoing PNC chatter about massive corruption by PPP, however, one has to seriously wonder why there have so far been no successful prosecutions of PPP members to date. Unless and until charges and convictions are registered, such statements amount to nothing but valueless BS ! When these loudmouth PNC hoodlums are asked about the reasons for the demises of institutions like Guyana National Co-op Bank, Guyana AgriBank, GNTC etc, they suddenly become deaf and their mouths quickly recede into their rectums ..... very strange; isn't it !!!
I tell you why, same reasons PPP never rectified the complaints they argued of the PNC while in opposition. The PNC now intends to use the weaknesses within the system and get themselves rich.
Neither the PPP nor PNC are honest to the people. Once in power, Animal 🦓 Farm thinking kicks in!
This is why Guyana remains a basket case nation always tittering on the edge of one crisis or another and the people seek alternative placed of abode to raise their families!
Django posted:That's correct,were it not for the illegal Burnham 1980 Constitution which the PPP embrtaced dearly,they could not have been the ruling government.
It's ironic some folks castigate Burnham "the rigger of elections" and on the other hand worships the illegal document which was designed for a winner take all government.
Django bai, which party then would have been the ruling government between 1992 and 2015 had it not been for Burnham's 1980 Constitution? How could the PPP on their own change that Constitution between 1992 and 2015. Why then has the Coalition not changed it since taking office in 2015. They don't seem to be too busy that they don't have the time to do so.
Keffer posted:There has been ongoing PNC chatter about massive corruption by PPP, however, one has to seriously wonder why there have so far been no successful prosecutions of PPP members to date. Unless and until charges and convictions are registered, such statements amount to nothing but valueless BS ! When these loudmouth PNC hoodlums are asked about the reasons for the demises of institutions like Guyana National Co-op Bank, Guyana AgriBank, GNTC etc, they suddenly become deaf and their mouths quickly recede into their rectums ..... very strange; isn't it !!!
The PNC and AFC chatters of PPP massive corruption is like all the arguments about Iraq having WMD in 2003. It took about the same amount of short time to conclude that both allegation were dishonestly propagated. SARA is just a modern day unproductive version of the old PNC unproductive GUYSTAC operations.
ksazma posted:Django posted:That's correct,were it not for the illegal Burnham 1980 Constitution which the PPP embrtaced dearly,they could not have been the ruling government.
It's ironic some folks castigate Burnham "the rigger of elections" and on the other hand worships the illegal document which was designed for a winner take all government.
Django bai, which party then would have been the ruling government between 1992 and 2015 had it not been for Burnham's 1980 Constitution? How could the PPP on their own change that Constitution between 1992 and 2015. Why then has the Coalition not changed it since taking office in 2015. They don't seem to be too busy that they don't have the time to do so.
Kaz,
Good Sunday morning humor with your question,
hint from 2011 there would have been a changes government and probably prior to that, last sentence is a form of deflection defending the PPP,were there any real push by the PPP to toss out the constitution? do the math,if there were any intentions by the PPP to change or toss out the constitution.
De one ting wukkin against PPP is they coolie vote property now mek up 40%. It was all part of de grand plan to get dem out as dem mek dey Pradoville. Dem PNC people go rig in lil piece here and there. Dey will go to church on Sunday and rig Monday. At de end of de day dey cyant rig like de ole time. What PPP doing to mek sure dey supporters doan get bully from voting in south GT? Abie doan want ayoo remittance money...oil money coming. Abie need ayoo foh come be eleckshun observer pon eleckshun day. Why ayoo doan get together and mek wan observer group?
ksazma posted:Django posted:That's correct,were it not for the illegal Burnham 1980 Constitution which the PPP embrtaced dearly,they could not have been the ruling government.
It's ironic some folks castigate Burnham "the rigger of elections" and on the other hand worships the illegal document which was designed for a winner take all government.
Django bai, which party then would have been the ruling government between 1992 and 2015 had it not been for Burnham's 1980 Constitution? How could the PPP on their own change that Constitution between 1992 and 2015. Why then has the Coalition not changed it since taking office in 2015. They don't seem to be too busy that they don't have the time to do so.
What a cop-out for doing nothing. It reflects hypocrisy and a lack of leadership by CBJ, the one leader with the political and moral currency to mount a challenge and convince the people it was in their best interest. That what leadership is about.
Im surprised you would seek sanctuary in the principle of mediocrity!
Politicians in Guyana 🇬🇾 operate on the concept of “ah we time now” never looking beyond and contemplating the what-ifs.
The arrogance of the flawed PPP mindset that they cannot lose is why they are where they are. Why does the PPP operate as though they own in Indian vote, no they don’t.
Dem PPP bais muss realise that dey also lose de 2011 eleckshun. It was Forbes Burnham dictator law that mek dem didnt get shun from President. And if they was not arrogant and give in pon some opposition demands Ramo would be Presi today. They lose de eleckshun when dem control de commission. 40% coolie vote bank not enough anymore. De leader doan want supporters to queshton dem. So dey keep blaming riggin.
Labba posted:Dem PPP bais muss realise that dey also lose de 2011 eleckshun. It was Forbes Burnham dictator law that mek dem didnt get shun from President. And if they was not arrogant and give in pon some opposition demands Ramo would be Presi today. They lose de eleckshun when dem control de commission. 40% coolie vote bank not enough anymore. De leader doan want supporters to queshton dem. So dey keep blaming riggin.
Spin that record..over and over,it will stick.Not surprised some folks here are listening to the music.