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FM
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A few days ago I bumped into Mr. Robert Badal who is a well-known Guyanese investor and capitalist. I told him jokingly they should study his DNA structure for a risk-loving gene because he seems to have a penchant for taking on excessive risks, particularly investing while opposing the government of the day. Most capitalists would have fled given the opposition he faced, including the deliberate use of taxpayer monies to build the Marriott to compete with his Pegasus. A running principle of this column holds that government industrial policy should promote, complement and not substitute. If government is going to invest in hotels, they should open up new areas to make it easy for tourists to access Guyana’s beauty hidden away in the remote corners of the country. Government must complement and not compete with existing businesses given the challenges and high cost of doing business in this country.

 

We had a serious discussion on what an energy policy for Guyana should look like. In general, Robert argues that there should be a portfolio of renewable energy sources and natural gas should be used as the fossil fuel or non-renewable back up. For example, natural gas, solar and bagasse can be utilized in Demerara and Berbice; wind/solar/hydro/natural gas for the Essequibo islands and coast. Given the dispersed settlement pattern of the hinterland, it would require small hydroelectric plants (where possible) and solar power since it will require high upfront costs to establish a connected grid system for the hinterland. Power generation would have to be localized in the hinterland so as to minimize the unit cost of electricity.

development watchThese views are quite consistent with the views expressed in Development Watch over the past few years. It is well known that portfolios reduce unsystematic risks. Old people say, don’t put all your eggs in one basket. One of Mr. Badal’s disappointments is he cannot sell electricity to the coastal grid system. His solar panels used to power Pegasus will generate surplus electricity that he would like to sell to GPL. If Pegasus, other Guyanese businesses and families can sell surplus electricity, they are now producers of electricity (not just consumers) boosting GDP in the process with clean renewable energy. It also saves foreign exchange over time.

 

This approach is already in use in Barbados, the United States and numerous other countries. It is now an old technology. It’s an indictment of the father of the LCDS that this simple idea cannot be realized in Guyana in 2015. In Barbados the rate of sale of electricity by families and businesses is growing exponentially in the past six years. They even have plug in stations as the island moves to electric cars this year. There is no need for Guyanese to throw back and complain about high energy cost until the big silver bullet hydroelectric plant comes into being.

 

Robert believes that natural gas plants should replace the current ones using heavy fuel. He is in good company. American billionaire T. Boone Pickens has a similar plan to use natural gas as the bridge energy source until superior forms of renewable energies emerge. Superior sources of renewable energy are already here, but there is still justification for natural gas on several grounds. First, it is much cheaper than heavy fuel. My ad hoc calculations have it equalling the proposed Amaila hydroelectric plant in terms of price GPL would have purchased. Second, it gives half the harmful global warming gas compared with coal or heavy fuel. Third, this gas can be purchased from a sister CARICOM country, Trinidad and Tobago.

On the down side, it still requires an import, thus an outflow of foreign currency. The lower price does eventually save on foreign exchange compared with current use of heavy fuel. In the very long term, if Caribbean leaders can pull things together it is possible to have once again a regional clearing of currencies that eases the foreign exchange constraint for Guyana and CARICOM as a whole. Second, although natural gas burns 50% cleaner, there is leakage of methane during transportation and emission during burning at the electric power plant. Methane is a harmful greenhouse gas.

 

Switching to natural gas requires building a large storage facility next to the power plant in Georgetown. This presents an opportunity for government and local investors to cooperate in a complementary process of employment creation and industrial development.

 

One important point to note about renewable energies is they create room for the development of certain skills and talents to evolve. A pump-and-sell strategy of crude oil out in the sea will bring much needed revenues, but it will not have that spillover of skills to other sectors of the economy. Renewable energies require human ingenuity that will have spillover effects elsewhere. In other words, productivity and ingenuity in the energy sector will breed same in other sectors of the economy. This is an old idea that goes back to economist Nicholas Kaldor who discovered that manufacturing engenders these favourable productivity spillovers in other non-manufacturing sectors of the economy. Think about a shipbuilding yard. The skills gained there have numerous applications in other industries of the economy.

 

One of these days bright and enterprising Guyanese boys and girls will discover a new and better way of storing electricity generated by renewables. We cannot foresee the possible spillovers and discoveries in the future as this is the essence of technological innovations. This is why they are called shocks! They come out of the blue, but they generate vast amounts of wealth for those who established the initial conditions for these random shocks to take place.

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Lack of cheap electricity is not the major impediment to Guyana’s development

 

Dear Editor,

At the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB) Board of Governors 44th Annual General Meeting held recently in Guyana, Dr Smith, CDB’s President stated that the high price of electricity has been a major source of the Caribbean region’s un-competitiveness and its vulnerability to external shocks. To support his claim he quoted household tariffs for electricity among CDB members as ranging between US$0.48 to US$0.07 per kWh. Comparing these tariffs with electricity supplied by ConEdison in New York City for the months of March and April ’14, it was US$0.43 average per kWh. In California and locations elsewhere the cost for electricity is higher while in Guyana it is about US$0.28 per kWh.

There is no doubt that high electricity costs do have a negative effect in attracting certain categories of investments but many countries with high electricity costs have successfully attracted investors of varied kinds because they have other important infrastructure in place. Japan with the world’s third largest economy has no hydropower and much of its electricity is generated from imported fossil fuel and, until recently, from nuclear power. Yet it has attracted investors for many of its industries which are competitive despite high labour costs.

Dr Smith and former Chairman of the Board of Governors of the CDB Dr Singh, have failed to assist member countries of the Bank to identify and provide funding for worthwhile projects to develop and grow their economies, thereby finding work for the large numbers of unemployed. Instead they have been dodging the problems by finding excuses such as high energy costs, political bickering and environmental roadblocks as impediments for doing little or nothing. In the case of Guyana, President Ramotar has continued to extol the lame duck excuse that lack of cheap electricity has been the major impediment to Guyana’s development. He has failed to acknowledge that for the past twenty years or so the country has had an unreliable source of electricity with brown-outs and black-outs the order of the day; lacks an educated and skilled labour force; and has poor infrastructure such as roads, port facilities, communications and water supply. These are among the constituents that investors are looking for and Guyana lacks.

Much has been said and done about hydropower development to reduce the country’s dependency on the high cost of imported fossil fuels and save scarce foreign exchange for other needed imports. The PPP government under President Jagdeo had considered it savvy to tap Guyana’s hydropower potential at Amaila Falls. The project was ill conceived and early preliminary works were shrouded in secrecy with funding for design and construction negotiated without transparent competitive bidding. The opposition parties were deliberately kept in the dark and were given little or no information on what was going on although government funding was involved. Then came the general elections in 2011. President Jagdeo was cocksure the PPP would have won the elections and his anointed successor President Ramotar would continue to execute his projects. Surprisingly, the opposition became the majority and a brake was put on the financial shenanigans of the PPP and management of the country’s resources has to be more transparent before public funds are approved for expenditure. Unfortunately the government has been bypassing the National Assembly and siphoning funds from NICIL and PetroCaribe to finance many of the projects started during President Jagdeo’s incumbency, the financial accountability for which is very fuzzy, while the opposition majority seems helpless to stop the flow of unauthorized spending from these government sources. β€˜Fip’ Motilall, deal-maker turned contractor was awarded one of these PPP government contracts to build the access road to Amaila Falls. As expected he failed to deliver and his contract was terminated. The project was eventually split and awarded to sub-contractors who are now struggling to complete the road and appurtenances which are not expected to serve their intended purpose any time soon, as funding for the Amaila Falls hydropower project (AFHP) is in the doldrums and will continue to be so for many years to come as the government lowers its financial sourcing sights and is exploring wind and solar power as alternative sources for cheap electricity.

The government has no idea what AFHP will cost and therefore it is rather disingenuous that Prime Minister Hinds has been promulgating that AFHP would be able to generate electricity at US$0.21 per kWh, reducing eventually to US$0.03 after 20 years of operation. He has never provided any data to support these claims and therefore he should state how the tariffs he quoted were developed. After all, the tariff for the Berbice Bridge crossing was to be not much more different than that for the ferry. Unfortunately the reality proved different. The Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) has carried out a feasibility study in consideration of a loan for Amaila Falls.

If Minister Hinds is confident of his tariff projections he should make a copy of this IDB study available to show all and sundry how right he is, as the study will clearly indicate the proposed cost for electricity based on AFHP cost. It is worth noting that Minister Hinds considered the 2000 CDB financed engineering survey of the potential of wind along the Guyana coast for large-scale electricity production secret, and it was never made available to the public as the government plugged the merits of AFHP without comparative pricing.

Having failed to develop AFHP Minister Hinds is now dabbling with wind and solar energy sources for electricity power generation which is more expensive than fossil fuel, although the prices are falling for these alternative energy sources which will not be available 24/7 without back-up generators/storage batteries. Minister Hinds will serve Guyanese well if he could stop dilly-dallying and devote his energies to get GPL back on track to provide its users with a reliable and dependable source of electricity at reasonable costs as Belize has been doing. The government cannot continue to subsidize GPL without solving such endemic problems as mismanagement of the utility and thefts of its electricity, and hope without addressing these fundamental problems that AFHP and/or large scale electricity from wind and solar will eventually provide cheap and reliable sources of electricity for Guyanese if only the opposition majority will go along and approve its proposals.

 

Yours faithfully,
Charles Sohan

FM
Dear Editor,

 

Much has been said and done about hydropower development to reduce the country’s dependency on the high cost of imported fossil fuels and save scarce foreign exchange for other needed imports.

 

The PPP government under President Jagdeo had considered it savvy to tap Guyana’s hydropower potential at Amaila Falls.

 

The project was ill conceived and early preliminary works were shrouded in secrecy with funding for design and construction negotiated without transparent competitive bidding.

 

The opposition parties were deliberately kept in the dark and were given little or no information on what was going on although government funding was involved.

 

Yours faithfully,


Charles Sohan

 

Lack of cheap electricity is not the major impediment to Guyana’s development

Persistent incorrect statements on the hydroelectric power developments that has appeared on numerous occasions in the press by the individual.

 

1. The then opposition PNC members were not only informed but they also made trips to the selected site(s) along with the PPP/C government members and technical staff.

 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:

So what's Robert Badal background?  How did he make his money to buy Pegasus?  Does he really have enough solar power to sell back to the grid?

Robert Badal is heir to the family that owned Guyana Stockfeeds Ltd  which for decades produced stockfeed for chicken farms and individual poultry owners and the livestock industry. Robert inherited a ton of money, earned the old-fashioned capitalist way.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:

So what's Robert Badal background?  How did he make his money to buy Pegasus?  Does he really have enough solar power to sell back to the grid?

Robert Badal is heir to the family that owned Guyana Stockfeeds Ltd  which for decades produced stockfeed for chicken farms and individual poultry owners and the livestock industry. Robert inherited a ton of money, earned the old-fashioned capitalist way.

Okay, cool. Thanks.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

Why would Amaila Falls be the best selection when it is dry for 3 months of the year?  What are the implications behind this?

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

Why would Amaila Falls be the best selection when it is dry for 3 months of the year?  What are the implications behind this?

Because.....

IF BURNHAM HYDRO SEED ENGINEER

SAY IT IS SO.....

 

NO ONE MUST ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:

So what's Robert Badal background?  How did he make his money to buy Pegasus?  Does he really have enough solar power to sell back to the grid?

Robert Badal is heir to the family that owned Guyana Stockfeeds Ltd  which for decades produced stockfeed for chicken farms and individual poultry owners and the livestock industry. Robert inherited a ton of money, earned the old-fashioned capitalist way.

I think Guyana Stockfeeds Ltd may have been a private company that may have been started by Bookers then nationalized by the Burnham government that may have been sold by either Hoyte or the PPP to Badal family. Someone should clarify if this is true.

 

 

 

The company made a profit for many years so it always was a puzzle to me why the government would want to sell it when it is bringing in money to the taxpayers and was like a monopoly.  Maybe they did not have the foreign currency to import the products to make the feed.

Wally
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Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:

So what's Robert Badal background?  How did he make his money to buy Pegasus?  Does he really have enough solar power to sell back to the grid?

Robert Badal is heir to the family that owned Guyana Stockfeeds Ltd  which for decades produced stockfeed for chicken farms and individual poultry owners and the livestock industry. Robert inherited a ton of money, earned the old-fashioned capitalist way.

I think Guyana Stockfeeds Ltd may have been a private company that may have been started by Bookers then nationalized by the Burnham government that may have been sold by either Hoyte or the PPP to Badal family. Someone should clarify if this is true.

 

 

 

The company made a profit for many years so it always was a puzzle to me why the government would want to sell it when it is bringing in money to the taxpayers and was like a monopoly.  Maybe they did not have the foreign currency to import the products to make the feed.

 

Badal bought the property under Hoyte. I am for privatization to domestic capitalists. However I would have some more requirements to promote equity ownership among workers, market disclosure, etc. But that's not how it was ever done in Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

I agree in US they establish these close to the source of the gas. So you have low gas price and little transport. If this were to use in Guyana, you will have low gas price (relative to HFO) but high transport cost. Some business folks might be willing to upfront the money for the storage in GT. You know I am a renewable guy...but I am sympathetic to the natural gas since it burns 50% cleaner.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Dear Editor,

 

Much has been said and done about hydropower development to reduce the country’s dependency on the high cost of imported fossil fuels and save scarce foreign exchange for other needed imports.

 

The PPP government under President Jagdeo had considered it savvy to tap Guyana’s hydropower potential at Amaila Falls.

 

The project was ill conceived and early preliminary works were shrouded in secrecy with funding for design and construction negotiated without transparent competitive bidding.

 

The opposition parties were deliberately kept in the dark and were given little or no information on what was going on although government funding was involved.

 

Yours faithfully,


Charles Sohan

 

Lack of cheap electricity is not the major impediment to Guyana’s development

Persistent incorrect statements on the hydroelectric power developments that has appeared on numerous occasions in the press by the individual.

 

1. The then opposition PNC members were not only informed but they also made trips to the selected site(s) along with the PPP/C government members and technical staff.

 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

 

Suh Fip's road budgeted to be US$ 15 mill. Now the thing ballooned to US$43 mill. Amaila was budgeted at US$ 900 mill. Guyana GDP just under US$3 bill. Yuh tink Amaila would balloon to US$ 2 bill? Dat is nuff nuff risk dey.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

There are natural gas fired generators that uses storage tank supplied gas in the US.

ball
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

There are natural gas fired generators that uses storage tank supplied gas in the US.

Where and why?  I would be interested to know.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Dear Editor,

 

Much has been said and done about hydropower development to reduce the country’s dependency on the high cost of imported fossil fuels and save scarce foreign exchange for other needed imports.

 

The PPP government under President Jagdeo had considered it savvy to tap Guyana’s hydropower potential at Amaila Falls.

 

The project was ill conceived and early preliminary works were shrouded in secrecy with funding for design and construction negotiated without transparent competitive bidding.

 

The opposition parties were deliberately kept in the dark and were given little or no information on what was going on although government funding was involved.

 

Yours faithfully,


Charles Sohan

 

Lack of cheap electricity is not the major impediment to Guyana’s development

Persistent incorrect statements on the hydroelectric power developments that has appeared on numerous occasions in the press by the individual.

 

1. The then opposition PNC members were not only informed but they also made trips to the selected site(s) along with the PPP/C government members and technical staff.

 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

 

Suh Fip's road budgeted to be US$ 15 mill. Now the thing ballooned to US$43 mill. Amaila was budgeted at US$ 900 mill. Guyana GDP just under US$3 bill. Yuh tink Amaila would balloon to US$ 2 bill? Dat is nuff nuff risk dey.

Usual cobbled-up nonsense with not relevance to the specific issues.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

Why would Amaila Falls be the best selection when it is dry for 3 months of the year?  What are the implications behind this?

There are numerous hydroelectric power projects which were built on streams with limited flows during certain time of the year. The flows are augmented from other streams to meet the designated flow requirements; similar to the Amaila proposal.

 

I was the Executive Coordinator for hydroelectric development where a few projects have identical situation like the Amaila Falls proposal and those projects were only built and they are also generating energy to even provide resources to the US_of_A.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

Check this out. Its now happening in my hood...

sachin_05
Last edited by sachin_05
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

Why would Amaila Falls be the best selection when it is dry for 3 months of the year?  What are the implications behind this?

There are numerous hydroelectric power projects which were built on streams with limited flows during certain time of the year. The flows are augmented from other streams to meet the designated flow requirements; similar to the Amaila proposal.

 

I was the Executive Coordinator for hydroelectric development where a few projects have identical situation like the Amaila Falls proposal and those projects were only built and they are also generating energy to even provide resources to the US_of_A.

Which project(s) are you talking about.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

2. The then PNC government pursued the various works in the 1970's for hydroelectric power development and at that time I was the first person and indeed a Guyanese to be appointed to the newly created position as Specialist Hydropower Engineer.

 

3. Hundreds of reports plus detailed studies on over seventy proposals were always available in the respective office of the then PPP/C government which showed that the best selection was the Amaila Falls hydroelectric project.

Why would Amaila Falls be the best selection when it is dry for 3 months of the year?  What are the implications behind this?

There are numerous hydroelectric power projects which were built on streams with limited flows during certain time of the year. The flows are augmented from other streams to meet the designated flow requirements; similar to the Amaila proposal.

 

I was the Executive Coordinator for hydroelectric development where a few projects have identical situation like the Amaila Falls proposal and those projects were only built and they are also generating energy to even provide resources to the US_of_A.

Which project(s) are you talking about.

Do your research to find those projects built in Canada, and also in the US_of_A, and plus worldwide.

 

Additionally, some were built in Africa for which I was also involved with their developments.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

There are natural gas fired generators that uses storage tank supplied gas in the US.

Where and why?  I would be interested to know.

Natural gas generator is very practical to have, due to un interrupted gas supply when connected to gas supply lines as in the city zones, tanks are needed in the rural areas where there is no N/gas lines, and there is a need for emergency generators,,,      

ball
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Living with Dementia is rough.

Your choice to air you personal issues on GNI.

How predictable! Do you think everyone on GNI mumbles to themselves like you do in the nursing home? Time for a nappy change yet? Maybe you can build a dam to curb the flow of water in your pampers. 

 

Watch he come back and tell me I'm talking to myself or looking in the mirror

Mars
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

There are natural gas fired generators that uses storage tank supplied gas in the US.

Where and why?  I would be interested to know.

Natural gas generator is very practical to have, due to un interrupted gas supply when connected to gas supply lines as in the city zones, tanks are needed in the rural areas where there is no N/gas lines, and there is a need for emergency generators,,,      

Yes I can understand for emergency rural generators and I would guess less than 5 MW.  If a generator is about 10MW (still very small) and runs continuously it would need a hugh storage tank and supplied very frequently.  I am not sure if you have 10 MW plants supplied by storage tanks.  Anybody knows for sure?

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

There are natural gas fired generators that uses storage tank supplied gas in the US.

Where and why?  I would be interested to know.

Natural gas generator is very practical to have, due to un interrupted gas supply when connected to gas supply lines as in the city zones, tanks are needed in the rural areas where there is no N/gas lines, and there is a need for emergency generators,,,      

Yes I can understand for emergency rural generators and I would guess less than 5 MW.  If a generator is about 10MW (still very small) and runs continuously it would need a hugh storage tank and supplied very frequently.  I am not sure if you have 10 MW plants supplied by storage tanks.  Anybody knows for sure?

Ball is probably talking about those small generators that you can use when you have a blackout at home. They are only rated at around 10,000 watts. 

 

http://www.electricgeneratorsd...able-generators.html

 

 

 

Mars
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by ball:
Originally Posted by VVP:

TK, are you aware of any natural gas fired generators that use storage tanks to supply the generators?  In the US these generators are supplied by gas pipelines.  These generators use a lot of gas if you are talking about jet engines (peaking units).  It is a good idea if the "setup" exists.  

There are natural gas fired generators that uses storage tank supplied gas in the US.

Where and why?  I would be interested to know.

Natural gas generator is very practical to have, due to un interrupted gas supply when connected to gas supply lines as in the city zones, tanks are needed in the rural areas where there is no N/gas lines, and there is a need for emergency generators,,,      

Yes I can understand for emergency rural generators and I would guess less than 5 MW.  If a generator is about 10MW (still very small) and runs continuously it would need a hugh storage tank and supplied very frequently.  I am not sure if you have 10 MW plants supplied by storage tanks.  Anybody knows for sure?

Ball is probably talking about those small generators that you can use when you have a blackout at home. They are only rated at around 10,000 watts. 

 

http://www.electricgeneratorsd...able-generators.html

 

 

 


I have one of those with a 500 gal propane tank but I hope to heavens that I don't have to run that for a week...it could be very expensive and run on the propane.

FM

There are N/gas compressors that will accommodate a long run time and I am not talking about no lil generator, I have several natural gas gensets that range from 150 to 350 KW within the city limits connected to N/gas supply the gas co, the longest that I have had them run was 66 hours straight with out interruption, the ones with the compressed gas supply for 12 hours straight before we needed a refill     

ball
Originally Posted by ball:

There are N/gas compressors that will accommodate a long run time and I am not talking about no lil generator, I have several natural gas gensets that range from 150 to 350 KW within the city limits connected to N/gas supply the gas co, the longest that I have had them run was 66 hours straight with out interruption, the ones with the compressed gas supply for 12 hours straight before we needed a refill     


Sounds right.  Where are you located?

FM

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