One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

Keith posted:

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

So the sin scam is real?

I don't understand your question. What way would sin be a scam?

Keith posted:

I don't understand your question. What way would sin be a scam?

You didn't read the first post in this thread?

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

I don't understand your question. What way would sin be a scam?

You didn't read the first post in this thread?

I read the first post? Where did Mr. Scherlock got his information from? What about you, do you think it's a scam? Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

I've not witness nor do I know of any cases where people are paying churches to stay out of hell or to get into heaven. So you are helping Mr. Scherlock spread false information, "fake news"

Look, the bottom line, there are wicked folks out there who would do anything to get rich even to pretend to be pastor, imam or a pandit etc. When they are exposed it shines a bad light on religion but most of all it destroy people lives and believes. We all have to answer for the consequences of our actions. We can be forgiven for the action but the consequence is there.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Joel Osteen does not have any sellable skills. Yet he is worth millions. How much personal wealth does Osteen as well as other preachers need. Not that Muslims practice this but the Qur'anic passage stated: "They asked you how much (of their money) they should give away in charity. Tell them all that they don't NEED". I am not making a case for the Qur'an or Muslims because there are matters there too that can be objectionable. Personally, I think that the preachers of all religions are a bunch of crooks who instill the fear of sin and hell in peoples' minds so they can bleed them. Politicians do the same.

The setting up of churches is BIG business, firstly the money is tax free, no property taxes. The priests have to earn a living, they are given hand books as to how to raise money , all in the name of God. To be a successful preacher, you have to know how to manipulate the congregation , it's no different than a car salesman.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

So the sin scam is real?

Enoch wrote about ppl like u. 

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

kp posted:

The setting up of churches is BIG business, firstly the money is tax free, no property taxes. The priests have to earn a living, they are given hand books as to how to raise money , all in the name of God. To be a successful preacher, you have to know how to manipulate the congregation , it's no different than a car salesman.

Except that you will actually get a car from a car salesman. Preachers con you into selling you something you have to die first to receive. And if after you die and don't get that promise, it will be too late to utilize the lemon law. 

seignet posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

So the sin scam is real?

Enoch wrote about ppl like u. 

I'm flattered but I doubt it.

seignet posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

I agree there are "bloodsucking" preachers. People now don't want a preacher who would preach about hell, right and wrong, they want a preacher who would preach prosperity which insight people to give.

Now this is just my take, I could be wrong. Tithes/offering given to the church should be used solely to pay utilities, musicians and yes even the preacher, a cap annual salary regardless of size of the church. If I had to put a annual salary for a preacher I would set it at $35K tax free . The rest of the money should be used to build up the community around the church and beyond.  

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

I agree there are "bloodsucking" preachers. People now don't want a preacher who would preach about hell, right and wrong, they want a preacher who would preach prosperity which insight people to give.

Now this is just my take, I could be wrong. Tithes/offering given to the church should be used solely to pay utilities, musicians and yes even the preacher, a cap annual salary regardless of size of the church. If I had to put a annual salary for a preacher I would set it at $35K tax free . The rest of the money should be used to build up the community around the church and beyond.  

Why should tithes be given to the church?