1 Corinthians 2:9. 

Christians write cheques to keep the Word alive and provide humanitarian assistance.

I guees fools can never be wise on account of the ignorance on why christians give tithes, offerings and love gifts.

Aeithists always miss dah bus.

seignet posted:

1 Corinthians 2:9. 

Christians write cheques to keep the Word alive and provide humanitarian assistance.

I guees fools can never be wise on account of the ignorance on why christians give tithes, offerings and love gifts.

Aeithists always miss dah bus.

  Another victim of the sin scam?

Religion and politics are two areas where people are scammed out of their money. The politicians will say, "see what that person did? DONATE." Same with the preacher. They will say, God loves you, DONATE." And when everything else fails, they use the sin scam to achieve their goals.

My brother in law is very comfortable off and would have never guessed that he had issues until he asked a pandit to do a pooja for his birthday. The pandit was not satisfied with just doing that one pooja but started telling my brother in law that there are so many hidden problems that he doesn't know about and that he needs to do these other poojas. My brother in law just listened and decided that he is fine with his life. The scammers are aplenty. BEWARE!!!

ksazma posted:

Religion and politics are two areas where people are scammed out of their money. The politicians will say, "see what that person did? DONATE." Same with the preacher. They will say, God loves you, DONATE." And when everything else fails, they use the sin scam to achieve their goals.

My brother in law is very comfortable off and would have never guessed that he had issues until he asked a pandit to do a pooja for his birthday. The pandit was not satisfied with just doing that one pooja but started telling my brother in law that there are so many hidden problems that he doesn't know about and that he needs to do these other poojas. My brother in law just listened and decided that he is fine with his life. The scammers are aplenty. BEWARE!!!

These crooks prey on the gullible,people who have faith in their religion need to read their religious books,seek guidance from others when there are doubts what is written.We live in a modern world.

Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Religion and politics are two areas where people are scammed out of their money. The politicians will say, "see what that person did? DONATE." Same with the preacher. They will say, God loves you, DONATE." And when everything else fails, they use the sin scam to achieve their goals.

My brother in law is very comfortable off and would have never guessed that he had issues until he asked a pandit to do a pooja for his birthday. The pandit was not satisfied with just doing that one pooja but started telling my brother in law that there are so many hidden problems that he doesn't know about and that he needs to do these other poojas. My brother in law just listened and decided that he is fine with his life. The scammers are aplenty. BEWARE!!!

These crooks prey on the gullible,people who have faith in their religion need to read their religious books,seek guidance from others when there are doubts what is written.We live in a modern world.

The question I always ask is how can Person A be so easily convinced by Person B that he/she needs an intermediary with God, and that that intermediary is conveniently person B, and, of course, there's a fee involved. I'm not religious but I believe a relationship with God, if there is a God, has to personal. Yet these bloodsuckers are becoming millionaires scamming the poor.

antabanta posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Religion and politics are two areas where people are scammed out of their money. The politicians will say, "see what that person did? DONATE." Same with the preacher. They will say, God loves you, DONATE." And when everything else fails, they use the sin scam to achieve their goals.

My brother in law is very comfortable off and would have never guessed that he had issues until he asked a pandit to do a pooja for his birthday. The pandit was not satisfied with just doing that one pooja but started telling my brother in law that there are so many hidden problems that he doesn't know about and that he needs to do these other poojas. My brother in law just listened and decided that he is fine with his life. The scammers are aplenty. BEWARE!!!

These crooks prey on the gullible,people who have faith in their religion need to read their religious books,seek guidance from others when there are doubts what is written.We live in a modern world.

The question I always ask is how can Person A be so easily convinced by Person B that he/she needs an intermediary with God, and that that intermediary is conveniently person B, and, of course, there's a fee involved. I'm not religious but I believe a relationship with God, if there is a God, has to personal. Yet these bloodsuckers are becoming millionaires scamming the poor.

Same here,

'God' if i want to seek and have a relationship,thankfully i can read,as such i will find him through the holy books.For now i have my reservations.For those who believe it's your choice and i do respect.

Django posted:
antabanta posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Religion and politics are two areas where people are scammed out of their money. The politicians will say, "see what that person did? DONATE." Same with the preacher. They will say, God loves you, DONATE." And when everything else fails, they use the sin scam to achieve their goals.

My brother in law is very comfortable off and would have never guessed that he had issues until he asked a pandit to do a pooja for his birthday. The pandit was not satisfied with just doing that one pooja but started telling my brother in law that there are so many hidden problems that he doesn't know about and that he needs to do these other poojas. My brother in law just listened and decided that he is fine with his life. The scammers are aplenty. BEWARE!!!

These crooks prey on the gullible,people who have faith in their religion need to read their religious books,seek guidance from others when there are doubts what is written.We live in a modern world.

The question I always ask is how can Person A be so easily convinced by Person B that he/she needs an intermediary with God, and that that intermediary is conveniently person B, and, of course, there's a fee involved. I'm not religious but I believe a relationship with God, if there is a God, has to personal. Yet these bloodsuckers are becoming millionaires scamming the poor.

Same here,

'God' if i want to seek and have a relationship,thankfully i can read,as such i will find him through the holy books.For now i have my reservations.For those who believe it's your choice and i do respect.

All the holy books are biased and contain stories relative to a specific geographic area. For me, that discredits their holiness and defines them as exaggerated historical accounts. If you believe in creation and a supreme being, all you need do is open your mind to the idea and you're in touch with God.

Sin is described as transgression of the law of God and rebellion against God. In the book of Genesis describes Adam and Eve's rebellion against God and against His command. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam's descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because "the wages of sin is death" see Romans 6:23 for reference.

We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed on depravity is known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. Psalm 51:5 states, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

There are tree types of sin which I will mention later.....I am heading to a meeting.

Keith posted:

Sin is described as transgression of the law of God and rebellion against God. In the book of Genesis describes Adam and Eve's rebellion against God and against His command. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam's descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because "the wages of sin is death" see Romans 6:23 for reference.

We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed on depravity is known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. Psalm 51:5 states, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

There are tree types of sin which I will mention later.....I am heading to a meeting.

Oh gee... now that you've taken the time to post quotes that are readily available for all to read, I'm really convinced.

As I mention earlier there are three types of sin the first was inherited sin then we have imputed sin. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated "imputed" means "to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another's account." Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed. Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign. All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature.

Another type of sin is personal sin, that which is committed every day by every human being. Because we have inherited a sin nature from Adam, we commit individual, personal sins, everything from seemingly innocent untruths to murder. Those who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ must pay the penalty for these personal sins, as well as inherited and imputed sin. As believers we can choose whether or not to commit personal sins because we have the power to resist sin through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, sanctifying and convicting us of our sins when we do commit them. Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness", 1 John 1:9.

We are condemned due to inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin. The only just penalty for this sin is death according to Romans 6:23, not just physical death but eternal death, Revelation 20:11-15. Thankfully, inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin have all been crucified on the cross of Jesus.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Sin is described as transgression of the law of God and rebellion against God. In the book of Genesis describes Adam and Eve's rebellion against God and against His command. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam's descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because "the wages of sin is death" see Romans 6:23 for reference.

We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed on depravity is known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. Psalm 51:5 states, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

There are tree types of sin which I will mention later.....I am heading to a meeting.

Oh gee... now that you've taken the time to post quotes that are readily available for all to read, I'm really convinced.

If sin is automatic at birth, how can one person who has just as much sin provide absolution for another?

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

Keith posted:

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

So the sin scam is real?

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

I don't understand your question. What way would sin be a scam?

You didn't read the first post in this thread?

I read the first post? Where did Mr. Scherlock got his information from? What about you, do you think it's a scam? Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

I've not witness nor do I know of any cases where people are paying churches to stay out of hell or to get into heaven. So you are helping Mr. Scherlock spread false information, "fake news"

Look, the bottom line, there are wicked folks out there who would do anything to get rich even to pretend to be pastor, imam or a pandit etc. When they are exposed it shines a bad light on religion but most of all it destroy people lives and believes. We all have to answer for the consequences of our actions. We can be forgiven for the action but the consequence is there.

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Joel Osteen does not have any sellable skills. Yet he is worth millions. How much personal wealth does Osteen as well as other preachers need. Not that Muslims practice this but the Qur'anic passage stated: "They asked you how much (of their money) they should give away in charity. Tell them all that they don't NEED". I am not making a case for the Qur'an or Muslims because there are matters there too that can be objectionable. Personally, I think that the preachers of all religions are a bunch of crooks who instill the fear of sin and hell in peoples' minds so they can bleed them. Politicians do the same.

The setting up of churches is BIG business, firstly the money is tax free, no property taxes. The priests have to earn a living, they are given hand books as to how to raise money , all in the name of God. To be a successful preacher, you have to know how to manipulate the congregation , it's no different than a car salesman.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

So the sin scam is real?

Enoch wrote about ppl like u. 

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

kp posted:

The setting up of churches is BIG business, firstly the money is tax free, no property taxes. The priests have to earn a living, they are given hand books as to how to raise money , all in the name of God. To be a successful preacher, you have to know how to manipulate the congregation , it's no different than a car salesman.

Except that you will actually get a car from a car salesman. Preachers con you into selling you something you have to die first to receive. And if after you die and don't get that promise, it will be too late to utilize the lemon law. 

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

One can only provide absolution for another only if he/she themselves received absolution. In other words I cannot pray asking God to forgive you of your sin if I never confess and ask God to forgive me for my sins.

The Bible in James 5:16 says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9 also states, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

We our self can pray and ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed and be free from that guilt. We ask others to pray for us so we can received absolution but we have to be careful when they themselves might need prayer for sinful things they have done if they have not repented of their sins.

Find a closet, humble yourself on your knees and make your confession before God. He will free you from your guilt. I didn't say find a priest ;) ....I am joking.

So the sin scam is real?

Enoch wrote about ppl like u. 

I'm flattered but I doubt it.

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

I agree there are "bloodsucking" preachers. People now don't want a preacher who would preach about hell, right and wrong, they want a preacher who would preach prosperity which insight people to give.

Now this is just my take, I could be wrong. Tithes/offering given to the church should be used solely to pay utilities, musicians and yes even the preacher, a cap annual salary regardless of size of the church. If I had to put a annual salary for a preacher I would set it at $35K tax free . The rest of the money should be used to build up the community around the church and beyond.  

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

I agree there are "bloodsucking" preachers. People now don't want a preacher who would preach about hell, right and wrong, they want a preacher who would preach prosperity which insight people to give.

Now this is just my take, I could be wrong. Tithes/offering given to the church should be used solely to pay utilities, musicians and yes even the preacher, a cap annual salary regardless of size of the church. If I had to put a annual salary for a preacher I would set it at $35K tax free . The rest of the money should be used to build up the community around the church and beyond.  

Why should tithes be given to the church?

Typically, the tithe should be given to the local church where you worship. Tithes support your pastor and ministry staff members who are actively serving you, and they help maintain the work of the church in your community. Tithes also helps pays the church expenses such as water and light bills.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the Church. We should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the Church. "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7).

The practice of tithing provides a regular reminder of your dependence on God. In good times, tithing helps you remember that God is the source of all blessings, and it allows you to demonstrate your gratitude for His care. In hard times, tithing motivates you to remember God’s faithfulness, and it enables you to demonstrate trust in God to provide for all of your needs.

Keith posted:

Typically, the tithe should be given to the local church where you worship. Tithes support your pastor and ministry staff members who are actively serving you, and they help maintain the work of the church in your community. Tithes also helps pays the church expenses such as water and light bills.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the Church. We should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the Church. "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7).

The practice of tithing provides a regular reminder of your dependence on God. In good times, tithing helps you remember that God is the source of all blessings, and it allows you to demonstrate your gratitude for His care. In hard times, tithing motivates you to remember God’s faithfulness, and it enables you to demonstrate trust in God to provide for all of your needs.

How do the ministry and staff members serve people? Of course God loves a cheerful giver.... so do all the bloodsuckers.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

Suh why u questioning those who give away their hard earned money. Yuh nah giving away your money. 

Suh wah yuh hope the gain by attacking those who honour their beliefs.

I doan think yuh  have the qualifications to changed the minds of the happy giver. So far, u supposing it is a scam, and no definite proof.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

I agree there are "bloodsucking" preachers. People now don't want a preacher who would preach about hell, right and wrong, they want a preacher who would preach prosperity which insight people to give.

Now this is just my take, I could be wrong. Tithes/offering given to the church should be used solely to pay utilities, musicians and yes even the preacher, a cap annual salary regardless of size of the church. If I had to put a annual salary for a preacher I would set it at $35K tax free . The rest of the money should be used to build up the community around the church and beyond.  

Why should tithes be given to the church?

My goodness.

Wey yuh been hiding bro. Yuh doan know dat. Try going into a Church, listen and then be critical.

 

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Typically, the tithe should be given to the local church where you worship. Tithes support your pastor and ministry staff members who are actively serving you, and they help maintain the work of the church in your community. Tithes also helps pays the church expenses such as water and light bills.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the Church. We should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the Church. "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7).

The practice of tithing provides a regular reminder of your dependence on God. In good times, tithing helps you remember that God is the source of all blessings, and it allows you to demonstrate your gratitude for His care. In hard times, tithing motivates you to remember God’s faithfulness, and it enables you to demonstrate trust in God to provide for all of your needs.

How do the ministry and staff members serve people? Of course God loves a cheerful giver.... so do all the bloodsuckers.

Churches have various ministries such as but not the same for every church as mention below:

Disaster Relief Benevolent Team – determining the assistance that the church can give to people in an emergency situation.

Disability ministry: While all churches are called to minister to those in physical need, serving those affected by disability provides life-changing help to those often neglected by others.

Missions and Outreach - The Missions and Outreach Core Ministry is responsible for Christian programs directed toward, and in financial support of, individuals and communities in need both locally and around the world.

Adult Discipleship - The Adult Discipleship Core Ministry is responsible for providing opportunities for education and spiritual formation through classes, small groups, and other opportunities for spiritual growth.

These are just a few ministries listed with numerous staff members showing where tithes goes to support and grow these ministries.

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

Suh why u questioning those who give away their hard earned money. Yuh nah giving away your money. 

Suh wah yuh hope the gain by attacking those who honour their beliefs.

I doan think yuh  have the qualifications to changed the minds of the happy giver.

So far, u supposing it is a scam, and no definite proof.

Exhibit A: Joel Osteen, No sellable skill - Net worth $40M.

And he is not the only bloodsucker out there.

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

Suh why u questioning those who give away their hard earned money. Yuh nah giving away your money. 

Suh wah yuh hope the gain by attacking those who honour their beliefs.

I doan think yuh  have the qualifications to changed the minds of the happy giver. So far, u supposing it is a scam, and no definite proof.

You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

I agree there are "bloodsucking" preachers. People now don't want a preacher who would preach about hell, right and wrong, they want a preacher who would preach prosperity which insight people to give.

Now this is just my take, I could be wrong. Tithes/offering given to the church should be used solely to pay utilities, musicians and yes even the preacher, a cap annual salary regardless of size of the church. If I had to put a annual salary for a preacher I would set it at $35K tax free . The rest of the money should be used to build up the community around the church and beyond.  

Why should tithes be given to the church?

My goodness.

Wey yuh been hiding bro. Yuh doan know dat. Try going into a Church, listen and then be critical.

 

Uhm... that's what I'm doing.

Keith posted:
How do the ministry and staff members serve people? Of course God loves a cheerful giver.... so do all the bloodsuckers.

Churches have various ministries such as but not the same for every church as mention below:

Disaster Relief Benevolent Team – determining the assistance that the church can give to people in an emergency situation.

Disability ministry: While all churches are called to minister to those in physical need, serving those affected by disability provides life-changing help to those often neglected by others.

Missions and Outreach - The Missions and Outreach Core Ministry is responsible for Christian programs directed toward, and in financial support of, individuals and communities in need both locally and around the world.

Adult Discipleship - The Adult Discipleship Core Ministry is responsible for providing opportunities for education and spiritual formation through classes, small groups, and other opportunities for spiritual growth.

These are just a few ministries listed with numerous staff members showing where tithes goes to support and grow these ministries.

Marketing. You are saying that people are compelled to pay a tenth of their income to support the church's marketing campaign to recruit more people to ante up their tithes. Governments are responsible for disaster relief. There is a multitude of resources available for the disabled from governments, health insurance, etc.

Does the ministry and staff not provide any religious services/benefits to their congregation?

ksazma posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

Suh why u questioning those who give away their hard earned money. Yuh nah giving away your money. 

Suh wah yuh hope the gain by attacking those who honour their beliefs.

I doan think yuh  have the qualifications to changed the minds of the happy giver.

So far, u supposing it is a scam, and no definite proof.

Exhibit A: Joel Osteen, No sellable skill - Net worth $40M.

And he is not the only bloodsucker out there.

Most people would say that Joel Osteen is not a preacher and I agree with that assumption, he's a motivational speaker I believe with one of the largest congregation in the US and that's the way he's being used to deliver God words. Most of his income come from Books but I could be wrong. They have quite a few Ministries I am sure they congregation tithes and offering goes too.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
How do the ministry and staff members serve people? Of course God loves a cheerful giver.... so do all the bloodsuckers.

Churches have various ministries such as but not the same for every church as mention below:

Disaster Relief Benevolent Team – determining the assistance that the church can give to people in an emergency situation.

Disability ministry: While all churches are called to minister to those in physical need, serving those affected by disability provides life-changing help to those often neglected by others.

Missions and Outreach - The Missions and Outreach Core Ministry is responsible for Christian programs directed toward, and in financial support of, individuals and communities in need both locally and around the world.

Adult Discipleship - The Adult Discipleship Core Ministry is responsible for providing opportunities for education and spiritual formation through classes, small groups, and other opportunities for spiritual growth.

These are just a few ministries listed with numerous staff members showing where tithes goes to support and grow these ministries.

Marketing. You are saying that people are compelled to pay a tenth of their income to support the church's marketing campaign to recruit more people to ante up their tithes. Governments are responsible for disaster relief. There is a multitude of resources available for the disabled from governments, health insurance, etc.

Does the ministry and staff not provide any religious services/benefits to their congregation?

I am saying tithes is to help support the place of worship and the body (people) of the church. Without those support who will do it? You expect the Government to step in and pay the mortgages, utilities and the beautification, such as repainting/landscaping or repairs of the churches?

You would probable be the first in the protest line if the government decided to do it

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:

Marketing. You are saying that people are compelled to pay a tenth of their income to support the church's marketing campaign to recruit more people to ante up their tithes. Governments are responsible for disaster relief. There is a multitude of resources available for the disabled from governments, health insurance, etc.

Does the ministry and staff not provide any religious services/benefits to their congregation?

I am saying tithes is to help support the place of worship and the body (people) of the church. Without those support who will do it? You expect the Government to step in and pay the mortgages, utilities and the beautification, such as repainting/landscaping or repairs of the churches?

You would probable be the first in the protest line if the government decided to do it

And why should people support the place of worship, pay the mortgages, utilities, and for repair of the church? What do the people gain from supporting the church?

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:

Marketing. You are saying that people are compelled to pay a tenth of their income to support the church's marketing campaign to recruit more people to ante up their tithes. Governments are responsible for disaster relief. There is a multitude of resources available for the disabled from governments, health insurance, etc.

Does the ministry and staff not provide any religious services/benefits to their congregation?

I am saying tithes is to help support the place of worship and the body (people) of the church. Without those support who will do it? You expect the Government to step in and pay the mortgages, utilities and the beautification, such as repainting/landscaping or repairs of the churches?

You would probable be the first in the protest line if the government decided to do it

And why should people support the place of worship, pay the mortgages, utilities, and for repair of the church? What do the people gain from supporting the church?

Somebody has to brainwash the rest. The pastor knows how to make a living doing nothing. A lot of times I call it the fleecing of the poor and old folks.

antabanta posted:
And why should people support the place of worship, pay the mortgages, utilities, and for repair of the church? What do the people gain from supporting the church?

We all cannot assemble at your house to be taught God word for our spiritual growth due to the capacity of what the fire marshal permits. Therefore the need came about to build places of worship; the worshipers support by giving to help maintain the place of worship and for the place of worship to be a sanctuary for everyone.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

Have you witness people paying churches to stay out, "imaginary hell" as the post stated.

Haven't you? Remember the ninth commandment.

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." This is a command prohibiting testifying against another person falsely. It is essentially a command against lying.

I know I didn't break that commandment

Why do people send their hard-earned money to bloodsucking priests?

Yuh head muss be really hard. I telling yuh why christians give their money. Yuh really want us CHRISTIANS to believe in you and wah yuh believe?

What is the name of your CULT? Yuh trying to solicit funds?

Yeah.... my head hard because I'm NOT a victim of the sin scam. Yeah.. I want you to believe in what I believe, that's why I DON'T ram my beliefs down your throat every day. Yeah... I'm trying to solicit funds that's why I'm CRITICIZING the practice of soliciting funds in the name of religion to fund massive mansions.

And who head really hard again?

Suh why u questioning those who give away their hard earned money. Yuh nah giving away your money. 

Suh wah yuh hope the gain by attacking those who honour their beliefs.

I doan think yuh  have the qualifications to changed the minds of the happy giver. So far, u supposing it is a scam, and no definite proof.

You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

For those who have untold wealth, the more they give the more they are blessed with increases, not only money, but in good health and the joy of comfort in family. 

Those who hold the places of priests and uses the gifts to the Lord for ungodly means, they will not escape his wrath when judgement comes. 

They condemn themselves. The Bible has instances where it occurs. 

Unscrupulous ppl been around for ages. 

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
And why should people support the place of worship, pay the mortgages, utilities, and for repair of the church? What do the people gain from supporting the church?

We all cannot assemble at your house to be taught God word for our spiritual growth due to the capacity of what the fire marshal permits. Therefore the need came about to build places of worship; the worshipers support by giving to help maintain the place of worship and for the place of worship to be a sanctuary for everyone.

Why do people need to worship and to build places of worship? A sanctuary does not have to be a church.

seignet posted:

For those who have untold wealth, the more they give the more they are blessed with increases, not only money, but in good health and the joy of comfort in family. 

Those who hold the places of priests and uses the gifts to the Lord for ungodly means, they will not escape his wrath when judgement comes. 

They condemn themselves. The Bible has instances where it occurs. 

Unscrupulous ppl been around for ages. 

Aha! So there is a condition to giving. Bear with me, brother while I slowly gain understanding. So... the condition to giving is that you receive something in return, blessings, and the amount of these blessings is proportionate to how much you give? And why do you need blessings?

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

For those who have untold wealth, the more they give the more they are blessed with increases, not only money, but in good health and the joy of comfort in family. 

Those who hold the places of priests and uses the gifts to the Lord for ungodly means, they will not escape his wrath when judgement comes. 

They condemn themselves. The Bible has instances where it occurs. 

Unscrupulous ppl been around for ages. 

Aha! So there is a condition to giving. Bear with me, brother while I slowly gain understanding. So... the condition to giving is that you receive something in return, blessings, and the amount of these blessings is proportionate to how much you give? And why do you need blessings?

What you are insinuating above is incorrect. The only condition is each should give according to what he/she has decided in their heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

You just don't give expecting something in return.

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

For those who have untold wealth, the more they give the more they are blessed with increases, not only money, but in good health and the joy of comfort in family. 

Those who hold the places of priests and uses the gifts to the Lord for ungodly means, they will not escape his wrath when judgement comes. 

They condemn themselves. The Bible has instances where it occurs. 

Unscrupulous ppl been around for ages. 

Aha! So there is a condition to giving. Bear with me, brother while I slowly gain understanding. So... the condition to giving is that you receive something in return, blessings, and the amount of these blessings is proportionate to how much you give? And why do you need blessings?

What you are insinuating above is incorrect. The only condition is each should give according to what he/she has decided in their heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

You just don't give expecting something in return.

Neither I nor Seignet insinuated anything. Seignet stated. I verified what he stated.

Why do you need blessings?

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

For those who have untold wealth, the more they give the more they are blessed with increases, not only money, but in good health and the joy of comfort in family. 

Those who hold the places of priests and uses the gifts to the Lord for ungodly means, they will not escape his wrath when judgement comes. 

They condemn themselves. The Bible has instances where it occurs. 

Unscrupulous ppl been around for ages. 

Aha! So there is a condition to giving. Bear with me, brother while I slowly gain understanding. So... the condition to giving is that you receive something in return, blessings, and the amount of these blessings is proportionate to how much you give? And why do you need blessings?

I refer you to 1 Corinthians 2:9 

For those who love God, honour opens His store house.

God know the heart and He says it is a place of love and hate. He certainly will know the real intent of the heart.

Take ur heart for example, it expresses your sentiments towards those who freely give of their money and time. Why you would be upset about that only the Almighty knows the real reason. Only you can come up with idea that people can bribe God. He ain a Guyanese politicans yuh know, though they temporay live in the clouds. 

Nobody stopping you to storeup your bounty in the wharehouse you can build. Others build churches and support Churches to spread the teachings of a righteous living. And God has a real great big store house fuh dem.

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
 
And why should people support the place of worship, pay the mortgages, utilities, and for repair of the church? What do the people gain from supporting the church?

We all cannot assemble at your house to be taught God word for our spiritual growth due to the capacity of what the fire marshal permits. Therefore the need came about to build places of worship;

There is an intersection in North West Miami near the county line with Broward County were there are four churches at the four corners. Is it reasonable to think that there is a need for all four of these churches at that intersection. Oh, by the way, there are a few more just a few minutes walk from them. There is another stretch near the Palmetto Highway in North West Miami between 37th and 47th Avenue where almost every bay is a ministry. Is it reasonable to think that these are also needed to satisfy your suggestion above. It is widely known that these churches are only open a few hours on Sundays or Saturdays and closed for most of every week.

seignet posted:

I refer you to 1 Corinthians 2:9 

For those who love God, honour opens His store house.

God know the heart and He says it is a place of love and hate. He certainly will know the real intent of the heart.

Take ur heart for example, it expresses your sentiments towards those who freely give of their money and time. Why you would be upset about that only the Almighty knows the real reason. Only you can come up with idea that people can bribe God. He ain a Guyanese politicans yuh know, though they temporay live in the clouds. 

Nobody stopping you to storeup your bounty in the wharehouse you can build. Others build churches and support Churches to spread the teachings of a righteous living. And God has a real great big store house fuh dem.

These people who freely give of their time and money are like Joel Osteen? I repeat.... You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

You outlined the conditions for giving, not I.

Why do people need blessings?

seignet posted:

Ordinary American citizen doan have access to Saudi money.

Suh now yuh want to chastise the people for their churches.

Are you working for Satan?

 

 

In your feeble mind, anyone who raises a voice against the exploitation is working for the imaginary Satan.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

I refer you to 1 Corinthians 2:9 

For those who love God, honour opens His store house.

God know the heart and He says it is a place of love and hate. He certainly will know the real intent of the heart.

Take ur heart for example, it expresses your sentiments towards those who freely give of their money and time. Why you would be upset about that only the Almighty knows the real reason. Only you can come up with idea that people can bribe God. He ain a Guyanese politicans yuh know, though they temporay live in the clouds. 

Nobody stopping you to storeup your bounty in the wharehouse you can build. Others build churches and support Churches to spread the teachings of a righteous living. And God has a real great big store house fuh dem.

These people who freely give of their time and money are like Joel Osteen? I repeat.... You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

You outlined the conditions for giving, not I.

Why do people need blessings?

If a giver is never in want, then he doan care what the pastor does with the tithes. The giver knows in the end, God going to deal with it.

U need to get head around that.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

Ordinary American citizen doan have access to Saudi money.

Suh now yuh want to chastise the people for their churches.

Are you working for Satan?

 

 

In your feeble mind, anyone who raises a voice against the exploitation is working for the imaginary Satan.

He nah doing dat. He dislike Christ and the followers of Christ. A church building is a definite problem for him.

Satan is not imginary, you doing exactly wah is said about the devil. Attack the Church-hope you understand what I mean about the church.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

For those who have untold wealth, the more they give the more they are blessed with increases, not only money, but in good health and the joy of comfort in family. 

Those who hold the places of priests and uses the gifts to the Lord for ungodly means, they will not escape his wrath when judgement comes. 

They condemn themselves. The Bible has instances where it occurs. 

Unscrupulous ppl been around for ages. 

Aha! So there is a condition to giving. Bear with me, brother while I slowly gain understanding. So... the condition to giving is that you receive something in return, blessings, and the amount of these blessings is proportionate to how much you give? And why do you need blessings?

I think you take your blessings to the grocery store and explain to them it's from God and you get free groceries.

seignet posted
 

If a giver is never in want, then he doan care what the pastor does with the tithes. The giver knows in the end, God going to deal with it.

 

Swaggart and others like him are perfectly happy that the givers of tithes don't care that they are giving their tithes to their hookers.

The common understanding of what it means to be blessed by God is that He gives us good things. In this respect, we can say that God’s blessing is on everyone, believers and unbelievers alike. Matthew 5:45 says that the Father who is in the heavens causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust.

But does God’s blessing pertain only to material things? NO. Though these are included, thinking of God’s blessing as mainly material things severely limits our understanding of what is in God’s heart for us. Surely we should be thankful for the material things the Lord gives us. But we’re truly blessed when we experience Christ as our love, our peace, our patience, our satisfaction, our joy, and so many other aspects of Himself. We are bless just seeing another day.

In an earlier post we talk about prosperity preaching as we can see the  shift from truth to error can be subtle, and some well-meaning preachers have been caught up in it, not my place to name names. I more rather we must be careful not to judge a preacher’s entire message by only one or two sermons. However, when blatant prosperity preaching dominates a speaker’s platform, this is merely an attempt to make greed and materialism sound spiritual. Ephesians 5:5 has strong words for greedy people: "For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person such a person is an idolater has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." While we should ask God to provide for our needs and expect Him to do so (Philippians 4:19), Jesus warned us not to stockpile earthly wealth. Rather, we should store up treasure in heaven (Luke 12:33).

The imbalanced focus of prosperity preachers on earthy treasure is in direct contrast to the many passages that warn us not to desire riches (Proverbs 28:22; 2 Timothy 3:2; Hebrews 13:5). First Timothy 6:8–10 speaks directly to this kind of teaching: “But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.” When earthly wealth is our focus, we are not following the teachings of Scripture.

People are becoming biblically illiterate and are thus easily swayed by preachers who appear to know Scripture but who are perverting it to make it sound more appealing. These preachers are attracting huge crowds, just as Jesus did when He fed the thousands (Matthew 14:21), healed the sick (Mark 1:34), and performed miracles (John 6:2). But when Jesus began to teach the hard truths of the gospel, "many of his disciples turned away and no longer followed him" (John 6:66). Waning popularity did not cause Jesus to water down His message. He continued to teach truth whether people liked it or not (John 8:29). Likewise, Paul exonerated himself before the Ephesians with these words: "Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, or I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:26–27). If today’s prosperity teachers would follow the patterns of Jesus and Paul, they could be confident that their works will not be burned up on judgment day (1 Corinthians 3:12–15).

seignet posted:
antabanta posted
 

These people who freely give of their time and money are like Joel Osteen? I repeat.... You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

You outlined the conditions for giving, not I.

Why do people need blessings?

If a giver is never in want, then he doan care what the pastor does with the tithes. The giver knows in the end, God going to deal with it.

U need to get head around that.

Get your head around this .... that, what you posted above God dealing with these con men, is the best part of the scam!

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

Ordinary American citizen doan have access to Saudi money.

Suh now yuh want to chastise the people for their churches.

Are you working for Satan?

 

 

In your feeble mind, anyone who raises a voice against the exploitation is working for the imaginary Satan.

He nah doing dat. He dislike Christ and the followers of Christ. A church building is a definite problem for him.

Satan is not imginary, you doing exactly wah is said about the devil. Attack the Church-hope you understand what I mean about the church.

Am I attacking the church? That's right, anyone who questions the requirement for blind faith is doing the imaginary satan's work. That's another part of the scam!

Keith posted:

The common understanding of what it means to be blessed by God is that He gives us good things. In this respect, we can say that God’s blessing is on everyone, believers and unbelievers alike. Matthew 5:45 says that the Father who is in the heavens causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust.

But does God’s blessing pertain only to material things? NO. Though these are included, thinking of God’s blessing as mainly material things severely limits our understanding of what is in God’s heart for us. Surely we should be thankful for the material things the Lord gives us. But we’re truly blessed when we experience Christ as our love, our peace, our patience, our satisfaction, our joy, and so many other aspects of Himself. We are bless just seeing another day.

Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

cain posted:

I will give a scam answer.

We should be thankful that we are blessed and blessed because we are thankful.

Deep, real deep stuff banna.

If I may add to those words above.

"We should be thankful that we are blessed to see what you intend to make foolishness of, God make wise and blessed because we are thankful that God can take the foolishness and make it wise."

Have you given thought to what you wrote before the added words? The Lord use people in mysterious ways.

Deep, real deeper stuff banna 

Keith posted:
cain posted:

I will give a scam answer.

We should be thankful that we are blessed and blessed because we are thankful.

Deep, real deep stuff banna.

If I may add to those words above.

"We should be thankful that we are blessed to see what you intend to make foolishness of, God make wise and blessed because we are thankful that God can take the foolishness and make it wise."

Have you given thought to what you wrote before the added words? The Lord use people in mysterious ways.

Deep, real deeper stuff banna 

So what's the answer? Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
cain posted:

I will give a scam answer.

We should be thankful that we are blessed and blessed because we are thankful.

Deep, real deep stuff banna.

If I may add to those words above.

"We should be thankful that we are blessed to see what you intend to make foolishness of, God make wise and blessed because we are thankful that God can take the foolishness and make it wise."

Have you given thought to what you wrote before the added words? The Lord use people in mysterious ways.

Deep, real deeper stuff banna 

So what's the answer? Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

You awoke up and you are alive and well this morning, right? Then you are blessed; think of countless others who didn't live to see this day....But you did, then be thankful and give God praise \0/ 

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:

So what's the answer? Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

You awoke up and you are alive and well this morning, right? Then you are blessed; think of countless others who didn't live to see this day....But you did, then be thankful and give God praise \0/ 

Why am I blessed for being alive and well? Haven't those who did not live to see this day moved on to the after life? Are you saying that there is no after life or that there is nothing blessed about the after life?

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted
 

These people who freely give of their time and money are like Joel Osteen? I repeat.... You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

You outlined the conditions for giving, not I.

Why do people need blessings?

If a giver is never in want, then he doan care what the pastor does with the tithes. The giver knows in the end, God going to deal with it.

U need to get head around that.

Get your head around this .... that, what you posted above God dealing with these con men, is the best part of the scam!

Wah happen star? Like you see the light.

Keith posted:
antabanta posted:

So what's the answer? Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

You awoke up and you are alive and well this morning, right? Then you are blessed; think of countless others who didn't live to see this day....But you did, then be thankful and give God praise

So if we are blessed to wake up alive, does that mean that those who didn't wake up aren't blessed?

Why give praise to God? Where is the evidence that God had anything to do with us waking up alive?

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:

So what's the answer? Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

You awoke up and you are alive and well this morning, right? Then you are blessed; think of countless others who didn't live to see this day....But you did, then be thankful and give God praise

So if we are blessed to wake up alive, does that mean that those who didn't wake up aren't blessed?

Why give praise to God? Where is the evidence that God had anything to do with us waking up alive?

You asked some of the most vacuous questions. If I'm not mistaken your  quran mention, maybe not in the exact words, "God gave the submitters a chance to glorify and praise Him day and night and promised to reward them for remembering to do so". It also states something about not recognizing God blessing can prevent one from gaining His pleasure.

1 Samuel 2:6 "
 The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up"

God, the giver of life (Genesis 2:7), has the right to end any life if and when He chooses (Job 1:21)

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:

So what's the answer? Why should we be thankful and why are we blessed?

You awoke up and you are alive and well this morning, right? Then you are blessed; think of countless others who didn't live to see this day....But you did, then be thankful and give God praise \0/ 

Why am I blessed for being alive and well? Haven't those who did not live to see this day moved on to the after life? Are you saying that there is no after life or that there is nothing blessed about the after life?

What I'm saying is everyday you are alive you are blessed because you have a change to seek God and forgiveness, you have a change to accept Him as your Lord and savor, forgive those who wrong you. Others who have die may have not had that change to correct their life. If you were to die tomorrow are you certain about your eternal life?

Without God, man’s destiny is hell. The man without God is spiritually dead; when his physical life is over, he faces eternal separation from God.

Keith posted:

What I'm saying is everyday you are alive you are blessed because you have a change to seek God and forgiveness, you have a change to accept Him as your Lord and savor, forgive those who wrong you. Others who have die may have not had that change to correct their life. If you were to die tomorrow are you certain about your eternal life?

Without God, man’s destiny is hell. The man without God is spiritually dead; when his physical life is over, he faces eternal separation from God.

And the reason I would need this forgiveness from this imaginary God and to have this imaginary God in my life is for imaginary crimes I committed against said imaginary being to escape an imaginary hell as well as to gain acceptance in an imaginary heaven?

So... after all your meandering arguments, convoluted rationale, and meaningless lengthy quotes that no one reads, we return full circle to the Sin Scam where people, many of whom can barely afford their own sustenance, send their hard-earned money to these bloodsuckers for absolution. Can you explain why Vatican City is the world's smallest yet one of the world's richest countries?

antabanta posted:
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seignet posted:
antabanta posted
 

These people who freely give of their time and money are like Joel Osteen? I repeat.... You do understand that this is about religious leaders exploiting the fears of the layman for financial gain... right? Would you have us believe that you're not aware of this industry?

You outlined the conditions for giving, not I.

Why do people need blessings?

If a giver is never in want, then he doan care what the pastor does with the tithes. The giver knows in the end, God going to deal with it.

U need to get head around that.

Get your head around this .... that, what you posted above God dealing with these con men, is the best part of the scam!

Wah happen star? Like you see the light.

R u referring to me? If is me, then I saw the LIGHT of the world a long time ago. And I know it is REAL.

As the moments roll by while your fingers are typing about scam, there are ppl in all stations of life throughout the world who are giving their gifts to churches for upheld of the gospels. Tithes is not a burden for them, even the muslims and hindus are not a burden for them. For they honour their Lord Jesus and he provides and protects.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:

What I'm saying is everyday you are alive you are blessed because you have a change to seek God and forgiveness, you have a change to accept Him as your Lord and savor, forgive those who wrong you. Others who have die may have not had that change to correct their life. If you were to die tomorrow are you certain about your eternal life?

Without God, man’s destiny is hell. The man without God is spiritually dead; when his physical life is over, he faces eternal separation from God.

And the reason I would need this forgiveness from this imaginary God and to have this imaginary God in my life is for imaginary crimes I committed against said imaginary being to escape an imaginary hell as well as to gain acceptance in an imaginary heaven?

So... after all your meandering arguments, convoluted rationale, and meaningless lengthy quotes that no one reads, we return full circle to the Sin Scam where people, many of whom can barely afford their own sustenance, send their hard-earned money to these bloodsuckers for absolution. Can you explain why Vatican City is the world's smallest yet one of the world's richest countries?

Bai, church and God is nah the same ting. The Vatican sanctioned the extremination of millions of natives bcz they worships spirits and give gold scarifice to spirit. Yet the Vatican, took the same gold as their share of the loot.

God doan care about buildings, He rather seeks the heart, for if a man would treat his brother as he would he would him treat him, then the world would be good.  

seignet posted:

R u referring to me? If is me, then I saw the LIGHT of the world a long time ago. And I know it is REAL.

As the moments roll by while your fingers are typing about scam, there are ppl in all stations of life throughout the world who are giving their gifts to churches for upheld of the gospels. Tithes is not a burden for them, even the muslims and hindus are not a burden for them. For they honour their Lord Jesus and he provides and protects.

Isn't it truly sad that people are so gullible?

seignet posted:

Bai, church and God is nah the same ting. The Vatican sanctioned the extremination of millions of natives bcz they worships spirits and give gold scarifice to spirit. Yet the Vatican, took the same gold as their share of the loot.

God doan care about buildings, He rather seeks the heart, for if a man would treat his brother as he would he would him treat him, then the world would be good.  

Quite so. They and others have no qualms exploiting the sin scam.

I keep telling the good brother Keith that what the preachers preach in church is not what they truly believe. They say what they need to say to keep their audience. Trump said yesterday that he only supported Roy Moore because as the leader of the Republican party, he thought that he needed to support the Republican candidate. Many Christian Bible scholars don't accept that the Bible is the word of God but yet they preach that to their audience whipping their audience into a religious frenzy. And when they are cornered, they always fall back on the classic escape route, 'Jesus is the word of God'. Religions are how some people swindle others out of their possessions. It has been that way from the beginning of time and is more widely spread today.

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