Write a coherent statement if you really want a response.quote:Originally posted by albert:
Nuff....one a point of order..........does your still exists?
Former Member
Former Member
I'll take it as consent, your site is dead...
Former Member
if you have nothing to post why don you go rub kwame backquote:Originally posted by albert:
From my vantage point...there is serious issue in the opposition camps...
Former Member
The AFC is bemused at the PPP's antics regarding the appointment of Speaker. They have to understand that the electorate has spoken and none of the parties should treat their mandates lightly, or believe that it can be bargained with, or compromised. The PPP has to also understand that there is a new Order and that there has been a change. They have to get used to the fact that they don't control everything any longer.
The argument that they are entitled to the speaker's chair based on Commonwealth precedent is a very disingenious argument when one considers that we are operating in a hybrid of the Westminster system where we have an executive president. Under the doctrine of separation of powers it is a nonsense for the PPP to want to control both the executive and the legislature when they only won the executive.
The opposition would be guilty of the greatest abdication of responsibility and betrayal of the people's trust if we gave up the Chairmanship of the Assembly's affairs to the PPP. The opposition parties formally indicated a willingness to work with the PPP government in a national-unity construct and that proposal was rebuffed. It is their insincerity that we're dealing with now. Ralph Ramkarran was a good speaker but the Order has changed and he would be out of place in the present situation.
The argument that they are entitled to the speaker's chair based on Commonwealth precedent is a very disingenious argument when one considers that we are operating in a hybrid of the Westminster system where we have an executive president. Under the doctrine of separation of powers it is a nonsense for the PPP to want to control both the executive and the legislature when they only won the executive.
The opposition would be guilty of the greatest abdication of responsibility and betrayal of the people's trust if we gave up the Chairmanship of the Assembly's affairs to the PPP. The opposition parties formally indicated a willingness to work with the PPP government in a national-unity construct and that proposal was rebuffed. It is their insincerity that we're dealing with now. Ralph Ramkarran was a good speaker but the Order has changed and he would be out of place in the present situation.
Former Member
Even though we may have different ideological backgrounds, during this season we should cease fire and remember the reason for the season.....season greetings and a happy new year GR
quote:Originally posted by warrior:if you have nothing to post why don you go rub kwame backquote:Originally posted by albert:
From my vantage point...there is serious issue in the opposition camps...
Former Member
Gerhard, you guys need to be careful ... you are getting too close to APNU and you need to differentiate your policies from those of APNU.JMHO.
quote:Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC is bemused at the PPP's antics regarding the appointment of Speaker. They have to understand that the electorate has spoken and none of the parties should treat their mandates lightly, or believe that it can be bargained with, or compromised. The PPP has to also understand that there is a new Order and that there has been a change. They have to get used to the fact that they don't control everything any longer.
The argument that they are entitled to the speaker's chair based on Commonwealth precedent is a very disingenious argument when one considers that we are operating in a hybrid of the Westminster system where we have an executive president. Under the doctrine of separation of powers it is a nonsense for the PPP to want to control both the executive and the legislature when they only won the executive.
The opposition would be guilty of the greatest abdication of responsibility and betrayal of the people's trust if we gave up the Chairmanship of the Assembly's affairs to the PPP. The opposition parties formally indicated a willingness to work with the PPP government in a national-unity construct and that proposal was rebuffed. It is their insincerity that we're dealing with now. Ralph Ramkarran was a good speaker but the Order has changed and he would be out of place in the present situation.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Dhall:
Gerhard, you guys need to be careful ... you are getting too close to APNU and you need to differentiate your policies from those of APNU.JMHO.quote:Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC is bemused at the PPP's antics regarding the appointment of Speaker. They have to understand that the electorate has spoken and none of the parties should treat their mandates lightly, or believe that it can be bargained with, or compromised. The PPP has to also understand that there is a new Order and that there has been a change. They have to get used to the fact that they don't control everything any longer.
The argument that they are entitled to the speaker's chair based on Commonwealth precedent is a very disingenious argument when one considers that we are operating in a hybrid of the Westminster system where we have an executive president. Under the doctrine of separation of powers it is a nonsense for the PPP to want to control both the executive and the legislature when they only won the executive.
The opposition would be guilty of the greatest abdication of responsibility and betrayal of the people's trust if we gave up the Chairmanship of the Assembly's affairs to the PPP. The opposition parties formally indicated a willingness to work with the PPP government in a national-unity construct and that proposal was rebuffed. It is their insincerity that we're dealing with now. Ralph Ramkarran was a good speaker but the Order has changed and he would be out of place in the present situation.
Dhall please Explain how or why you feel the AFC is getting too close to APNU??????
Dhall do you know the PPP lost the Majority in Parliarment????
Dhall, Do you know or Understand that when the PPP lost the Majority in Parliarment ....they lose the Position of Speaker .......and the PPP can no longer force Bills thru Parliarment as they did before????
Dhall do you know the Guyanese Voters are the ones that rejected the way the PPP was doing business and carrying on as if they had 100% power and Control????
Former Member
You anti_PPP has the majority in parliament and yet you are quarrelling about the PPP.
Idiots, don't tell the PPP what they can't do.
If the PPP thinks that Ralph Ramkarran is the best candidate for speaker, then he will be their candidate and the Opposition can battle it out who is the second best and vote collectively for that person. It doesn't really matters because it will not defeat the government. The PPP will negotiate with any political party they want in accordance with the Issues.. No big deal.
Idiots, don't tell the PPP what they can't do.
If the PPP thinks that Ralph Ramkarran is the best candidate for speaker, then he will be their candidate and the Opposition can battle it out who is the second best and vote collectively for that person. It doesn't really matters because it will not defeat the government. The PPP will negotiate with any political party they want in accordance with the Issues.. No big deal.
Former Member
2012 will reveal..if there is unity(if any) among the opposition parties....
Former Member
The PPP would be wise not to have a member of APNU as the Speaker, but to allow Rafael Trotman of the AFC be the Speaker. Although he is a former PNC, it is to be remembered that he was not kicked of the PNC, but he left to puruse a different path.
Alternatively, it can also allow Nagamootoo to be the Speaker. Although he may be a safer bet, from a protectionist viewpoint, given his heart has always been with the PPP. On the other hand, he may not be so neutral, given his revengeful expressions of late.
The Speaker is supposed to be neutral and I suspect that Trotman may best fit this role.
Alternatively, it can also allow Nagamootoo to be the Speaker. Although he may be a safer bet, from a protectionist viewpoint, given his heart has always been with the PPP. On the other hand, he may not be so neutral, given his revengeful expressions of late.
The Speaker is supposed to be neutral and I suspect that Trotman may best fit this role.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Apollo:
The PPP would be wise not to have a member of APNU as the Speaker, but to allow Rafael Trotman of the AFC be the Speaker. Although he is a former PNC, it is to be remembered that he was not kicked of the PNC, but he left to puruse a different path.
Alternatively, it can also allow Nagamootoo to be the Speaker. Although he may be a safer bet, from a protectionist viewpoint, given his heart has always been with the PPP. On the other hand, he may not be so neutral, given his revengeful expressions of late.
The Speaker is supposed to be neutral and I suspect that Trotman may best fit this role.
Ramjattan has told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com ) that the AFC would be settling for nothing less than the Speaker because APNU would get the positions of Deputy Speaker, Chief Whip and Opposition Leader.
Moses Nagamootoo is the AFC's choice of Speaker.
Mr Trotman has withdrawn and is supporting Moses.
Apollo wants to blame Moses for the Three Top Jagdeo and Ramotar Thugs who are been hauled before the Court on Some serious Charges.
Apollo Bhai .....Lamumba, Kwame McCoy and Henry Green are Jagdeo and Ramotar people....they are being hauled before the court because of the things they do under Jagdeo & Ramotar.
These Fellas Behave Bad and break the Laws ......it got nothing to do with Moses being revengeful .....yuh behaving like these Crooks should not be locked up.
Former Member
The Guyanese populace are watching... as the stand off, between the A.F.C and A.P.N.U over the speaker continues....
Former Member
That's not how a democracy is run!These guys need to do some quick learning of how a democracy really works.
quote:Originally posted by albert:
Ramjattan has told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com ) that the AFC would be settling for nothing less than the Speaker because APNU would get the positions of Deputy Speaker, Chief Whip and Opposition Leader.
If there is no consensus between the two opposition parties and it comes down to a party-line vote, the PPPC would get the position with its 32 seats. The AFC wants either Moses Nagamootoo or Raphael Trotman. APNU is floating Debra Backer as its favourite.
Former Member
I can see that the anti_PPP goats are still speculating. behind closed doors the APNU tried to make a last minute deal with the PPP in return for what? They offered nothing.
Former Member
Why don't you dell us of the democratic imperative operating here that in your opinion causes democracy to work. The AFC cannot let t he PPP get the position. In that position for 2 decades they did nothing but sought to consolidate their party strangle hold on the society.quote:Originally posted by Dhall:
That's not how a democracy is run!These guys need to do some quick learning of how a democracy really works.quote:Originally posted by albert:
Ramjattan has told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com ) that the AFC would be settling for nothing less than the Speaker because APNU would get the positions of Deputy Speaker, Chief Whip and Opposition Leader.
If there is no consensus between the two opposition parties and it comes down to a party-line vote, the PPPC would get the position with its 32 seats. The AFC wants either Moses Nagamootoo or Raphael Trotman. APNU is floating Debra Backer as its favourite.
If the PPP intends to play the non-decision, hold the line role and hope everyone one hold their their ground as well and by that win; they will force the AFC to make the only choice that will maximize their payoff scheme,vote with APNU. The AFC stands a better chance of getting changes with the APNU in general. The PPP in their 20 years in office made no race neutral changes to our society. That is the AFC role.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by D2:Why don't you dell us of the democratic imperative operating here that in your opinion causes democracy to work. The AFC cannot let t he PPP get the position. In that position for 2 decades they did nothing but sought to consolidate their party strangle hold on the society.quote:Originally posted by Dhall:
That's not how a democracy is run!These guys need to do some quick learning of how a democracy really works.quote:Originally posted by albert:
Ramjattan has told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com ) that the AFC would be settling for nothing less than the Speaker because APNU would get the positions of Deputy Speaker, Chief Whip and Opposition Leader.
If there is no consensus between the two opposition parties and it comes down to a party-line vote, the PPPC would get the position with its 32 seats. The AFC wants either Moses Nagamootoo or Raphael Trotman. APNU is floating Debra Backer as its favourite.
If the PPP intends to play the non-decision, hold the line role and hope everyone one hold their their ground as well and by that win; they will force the AFC to make the only choice that will maximize their payoff scheme,vote with APNU. The AFC stands a better chance of getting changes with the APNU in general. The PPP in their 20 years in office made no race neutral changes to our society. That is the AFC role.
The PPP already met with the AFC and The APNU and declared that they would consult with them in certain issues. To me that is nort a promise. It is a mere indication to work with them for the betterment of the country. For this the AFC is flexing it's muscles that they can make changes or force the PPP to make them..
They will have a rude awakening.
Former Member
I love being the only APNU supporter here.
It is great to see all the PPP "h8ters" crying that the APNU will appoint a speaker.
Long live the APNU.
It is great to see all the PPP "h8ters" crying that the APNU will appoint a speaker.
Long live the APNU.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Nuff:
I love being the only APNU supporter here.
It is great to see all the PPP "h8ters" crying that the APNU will appoint a speaker.
Long live the APNU.
With the help of the PPP they will. This would be the start of a great friendship.
Former Member
The only rude awakening is the one the PPP is experiencing; the fact they must actually make decisions that is best for the country rather than one that is best for lining their pockets.quote:Originally posted by Ramakant_p:quote:Originally posted by D2:Why don't you dell us of the democratic imperative operating here that in your opinion causes democracy to work. The AFC cannot let t he PPP get the position. In that position for 2 decades they did nothing but sought to consolidate their party strangle hold on the society.quote:Originally posted by Dhall:
That's not how a democracy is run!These guys need to do some quick learning of how a democracy really works.quote:Originally posted by albert:
Ramjattan has told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com ) that the AFC would be settling for nothing less than the Speaker because APNU would get the positions of Deputy Speaker, Chief Whip and Opposition Leader.
If there is no consensus between the two opposition parties and it comes down to a party-line vote, the PPPC would get the position with its 32 seats. The AFC wants either Moses Nagamootoo or Raphael Trotman. APNU is floating Debra Backer as its favourite.
If the PPP intends to play the non-decision, hold the line role and hope everyone one hold their their ground as well and by that win; they will force the AFC to make the only choice that will maximize their payoff scheme,vote with APNU. The AFC stands a better chance of getting changes with the APNU in general. The PPP in their 20 years in office made no race neutral changes to our society. That is the AFC role.
The PPP already met with the AFC and The APNU and declared that they would consult with them in certain issues. To me that is nort a promise. It is a mere indication to work with them for the betterment of the country. For this the AFC is flexing it's muscles that they can make changes or force the PPP to make them..
They will have a rude awakening.
Former Member
I think the purpose here is for the "united" opposition to bend and not break the PPP.quote:Originally posted by Ramakant_p:quote:Originally posted by Nuff:
I love being the only APNU supporter here.
It is great to see all the PPP "h8ters" crying that the APNU will appoint a speaker.
Long live the APNU.
With the help of the PPP they will. This would be the start of a great friendship.
The APNU and AFC will work things out. Don't believe the hype.
Former Member
Ram ... let the PPP run the executive branch and the "united" opposition run the legislative branch. The constitution gives more power to the legislative branch.
So what if your party has the title of president ... the opposition have the true power in parliament. That is where the seat of power lies.
So what if your party has the title of president ... the opposition have the true power in parliament. That is where the seat of power lies.
Former Member
it would be a good thing if the opposition is United but will they?. I see people cutting ech other throats for a few pieces of silver..
Former Member
Dude ... what have you seen?quote:Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
it would be a good thing if the opposition is United but will they?. I see people cutting ech other throats for a few pieces of silver..
Parliament is yet to convene. Dem bais are drinking and partying in GT over the holidays and you keyboard politicians are fighting on the internet on Boxing Day.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Nuff:Dude ... what have you seen?quote:Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
it would be a good thing if the opposition is United but will they?. I see people cutting ech other throats for a few pieces of silver..
Parliament is yet to convene. Dem bais are drinking and partying in GT over the holidays and you keyboard politicians are fighting on the internet on Boxing Day.
I am psychic..
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Jalil:quote:Originally posted by Apollo:
The PPP would be wise not to have a member of APNU as the Speaker, but to allow Rafael Trotman of the AFC be the Speaker. Although he is a former PNC, it is to be remembered that he was not kicked of the PNC, but he left to puruse a different path.
Alternatively, it can also allow Nagamootoo to be the Speaker. Although he may be a safer bet, from a protectionist viewpoint, given his heart has always been with the PPP. On the other hand, he may not be so neutral, given his revengeful expressions of late.
The Speaker is supposed to be neutral and I suspect that Trotman may best fit this role.
Ramjattan has told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com ) that the AFC would be settling for nothing less than the Speaker because APNU would get the positions of Deputy Speaker, Chief Whip and Opposition Leader.
Moses Nagamootoo is the AFC's choice of Speaker.
Mr Trotman has withdrawn and is supporting Moses.
Apollo wants to blame Moses for the Three Top Jagdeo and Ramotar Thugs who are been hauled before the Court on Some serious Charges.
Apollo Bhai .....Lamumba, Kwame McCoy and Henry Green are Jagdeo and Ramotar people....they are being hauled before the court because of the things they do under Jagdeo & Ramotar.
These Fellas Behave Bad and break the Laws ......it got nothing to do with Moses being revengeful .....yuh behaving like these Crooks should not be locked up.
Sorry to hear Trotman has withdrawn.
No, not blaming Moses. Only that Moses does not have the caliber or demeanor as Trotman with respect to a 'neutral' stance. He is emotionally violatile, likes to drink at the bar and shoot crap. He does not have the political astuteness as Trotman. So, very sorry to hear Trotman has withdrawn. It would have been a golden opportunity for him to sharpen his oratory skills (which Trotman needs if he is to gain momentum in another Presidential election). It is a bad decision.
Most likely, this is AFC's way of giving Moses a cosolation prize, since they had promised him a vice-presidency position.
Alternatively, and objectively, since the other largest political voices have been given to APNU, then consideration can be given to them to have an APNU Speaker of the House. Again, such a person must be neutral and objective and carry some profile, stature of decency and non-political allegiance while as a House Speaker.
Either way, the political landscape is shaky...
Former Member
As well, since Ralph Ramkarran has done a great job as the Speaker, there is no reason why he cannot continue.
In this case, it is best that the PPPC calls for a party-line vote for the Speaker and then they will have Ralph back to do a good job.
Other deals can be made for other positions. But the Speaker is too far an important role to sacrifice.
On the other hand, it can be perceived as the Executive holds the speaker in check instead of the other way around.
Hard choices to be made indeed....
In this case, it is best that the PPPC calls for a party-line vote for the Speaker and then they will have Ralph back to do a good job.
Other deals can be made for other positions. But the Speaker is too far an important role to sacrifice.
On the other hand, it can be perceived as the Executive holds the speaker in check instead of the other way around.
Hard choices to be made indeed....
Former Member
Didn't Debroah represent Guyana at the UN once. She is astute and a good lawyer ... Her father is indo and I think her mother is presumably black. She is a great candidate for unity.
Attorney-at-Law
Acting Chief Whip
Ms. Deborah Backer is a well known Attorney-at-Law. She obtained her Legal Education Certificate (LEC) from the Hugh Wooding Law School in Trinidad in 1983 and a Bachelor of Law (Hons.), University of the West Indies in 1981.
Ms. Backer served in previous Parliaments (1997-2001) and 2001-2006. Previously, Ms. Backer served as a Councillor in the Georgetown City Council in 1994.
Ms. Backer is a serving member of a number of important organisations such as the Lions Club International and is currently an organising member of the Womenâs Millennium Caucus
Attorney-at-Law
Acting Chief Whip
Ms. Deborah Backer is a well known Attorney-at-Law. She obtained her Legal Education Certificate (LEC) from the Hugh Wooding Law School in Trinidad in 1983 and a Bachelor of Law (Hons.), University of the West Indies in 1981.
Ms. Backer served in previous Parliaments (1997-2001) and 2001-2006. Previously, Ms. Backer served as a Councillor in the Georgetown City Council in 1994.
Ms. Backer is a serving member of a number of important organisations such as the Lions Club International and is currently an organising member of the Womenâs Millennium Caucus
Former Member
There is ABSOLUTELY no way the PPP is getting the speaker slot in parliament. Stick a fork in that idea ... it's done!
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Apollo:
As well, since Ralph Ramkarran has done a great job as the Speaker, there is no reason why he cannot continue.
In this case, it is best that the PPPC calls for a party-line vote for the Speaker and then they will have Ralph back to do a good job.
Other deals can be made for other positions. But the Speaker is too far an important role to sacrifice.
On the other hand, it can be perceived as the Executive holds the speaker in check instead of the other way around.
Hard choices to be made indeed....
Ramkarran has proven that he is unfit for that position. he was supposed to be neutral, but he came out swinging at the PPP in defence of Moses nagamootoo and continue to to lambaste them for corruption.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Nuff:
There is ABSOLUTELY no way the PPP is getting the speaker slot in parliament. Stick a fork in that idea ... it's done!
On the Principle of the thing, I will disagree with you. But I don't favour Ralph as the next speaker.. Deborah is well qualified and can be a good education Minister.
Former Member
The Youth Coalition for Transformation (YCT), the unofficial youth arm of the opposition coalition A Partnership for National Unity (APNU), Friday night threatened to take to the streets to ensure Debra Backer becomes Speaker of the National Assembly.....
Source: Demerara Waves
Seems the chip didn't fell far from the block....
Bullyism and Hooliganism by A.P.N.U will be denounce by the Guyanese populace...
Source: Demerara Waves
Seems the chip didn't fell far from the block....
Bullyism and Hooliganism by A.P.N.U will be denounce by the Guyanese populace...
Former Member
Its clear to see Trotman is in total disagreement of what goes on in the A.F.C, it seems Nagamootoo is uncontrollable and is single handedly making decisions, that forced Trotman to make such a drastic move to withdraw himself from the highest decision making body in the country(the Parliament)....it wouldn't to a surprise to the Guyanese Populace if Trotman slips back into the flock of the P.N.C lead A.P.N.U....
The way things looking, PPP getting a landslide next election.
Former Member
The Trotman Faction....seems to be over looked by the top brass of the A.F.C...Nagamootoo seems to be running the party single handedly
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by TI:
The way things looking, PPP getting a landslide next election.
Don't jump the gun here. The AFC promised him what they can't deliver..
Former Member
It clear to see, the A.F.C and A.P.N.U are power drunk....
Former Member
There are clear signs Trotman and Moses are not getting alone, many believes Moses is dictating how that party show be run, and is calling all the shots with an iron in that party...
Former Member
AFC representative and former Chairman of the PPPC youth arm, Sasenarine Singh boldly declared during a facebook discussion on Rickford Burkeâs page that âDebbie Backer will never be speaker of the house.â OVNN posits that Singh would never had made such a public declaration least he was sure that he was echoing the party line.
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