The PPP was never as corrupt as the PNC/AFC made it out.  It was all smoking mirrors.  Envy caused the PNC/AFC to play the "corruption" card, and it worked with enough weak minds and bitter souls to put them over the edge.

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff.  PNC don't tief not they leave nothing.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury!  Now, how did they do that while stealing all the way to the bank?

The PPP had problems, but it was not in the magnitude as touted by the PNC/AFC.

Excellent observation.  I agree with both of you!

I notice that Politik did not mention the AFC. Is he building a case for the "existence" of the AFC, did he forget them because they are irrelevant politically at this point, or he did not hear that they are starting to take already.

Many of them wants us to believe that both major parties are equally bad.  This must be a Guyanese way of being politically correct. 

ba$eman posted:

The PPP was never as corrupt as the PNC/AFC made it out.  It was all smoking mirrors.  Envy caused the PNC/AFC to play the "corruption" card, and it worked with enough weak minds and bitter souls to put them over the edge.

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff.  PNC don't tief not they leave nothing.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury!  Now, how did they do that while stealing all the way to the bank?

The PPP had problems, but it was not in the magnitude as touted by the PNC/AFC.

Where you pull this out from?? if this is true all debts will be paid off and there will be a fresh start.

ba$eman posted:

The PPP was never as corrupt as the PNC/AFC made it out.  It was all smoking mirrors.  Envy caused the PNC/AFC to play the "corruption" card, and it worked with enough weak minds and bitter souls to put them over the edge.

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff.  PNC don't tief not they leave nothing.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury!  Now, how did they do that while stealing all the way to the bank?

The PPP had problems, but it was not in the magnitude as touted by the PNC/AFC.

You lie like a skunk and if stanly ming said that he is nuts. The PPP at no time ever claim they had that much in reserve. They declared they had 800 million in reserve in 2014 and then 200 in 2014 and said t he rapid decline is that some were "lost" in the gold value decline.  The present Regime said the treasury was empty and that what remained was spread out in private accounts which the consolidated. Statistically that is nowhere 1 billion US except in your silly head.

politikalamity posted:

From some PPP supporters:

• “PPP were corrupted but there was progress”
• “PNC say they are not corrupted but there is no progress” 

How will Gy ever move forward with either of the two main parties when there is such a huge divide across the political spectrum. 

My take is we need to revolutionize our thinking beyond the current representation we have since neither one seems to have the best interest of the people in their agendas.

As long as we are stuck with the PPP and PNC in their current state Guyana ded; one party with the same set of crooks heading it and the other party being basically a geriatric ward with the same failures from times past.

 From Einstein ”Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

What are these Revolutionary ideas you think is our magical elixir?

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Excellent observation.  I agree with both of you!

Polly want a cracker!!!!!

Zed posted:

I notice that Politik did not mention the AFC. Is he building a case for the "existence" of the AFC, did he forget them because they are irrelevant politically at this point, or he did not hear that they are starting to take already.

Claiming the AFC is irrelevant  is distilled nonsense. More it is a balm for a wounded PPP believer since the though is like revenge for those who disassembled the PPP power structure. The AFC is powerful in that it can like it did the last time, bring down the government. If they do, they would have had good reason again.

In any event, "Political whatever" is suggesting systemic change. He is predicating rational structures in thought and action that can remake the social contract where the two party becomes irrelevant but where binding principles backed by people power matters.

I dare say he is right but for predicates his thoughts on the wrong foundation. Guyanese in general are avaricious, prejudicial, mean spirited and generalized ideological racists so you cannot start with the people. You have to move them to new thinking.

ba$eman posted:

 

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff. 

So why then did the day after the elections did Guysuco go crawling to the govt to beg them for a big bailout so that they could make payroll, and pay suppliers?  Even the Gold Board was broke when the coalition gov't took over.

Seriously, praising the PPP, for no reason than its a "coolie people party" which only seeks to "consolidate the East Indian support base", shows exactly the racist that indeed you are.

Why don't you show the integrity that David Hinds is. A proud black man, but he refuses to stay silent when APNU does wrong!

Django posted:

ba$eman posted:

The PPP was never as corrupt as the PNC/AFC made it out.  It was all smoking mirrors.  Envy caused the PNC/AFC to play the "corruption" card, and it worked with enough weak minds and bitter souls to put them over the edge.

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff.  PNC don't tief not they leave nothing.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury!  Now, how did they do that while stealing all the way to the bank?

The PPP had problems, but it was not in the magnitude as touted by the PNC/AFC.

Where you pull this out from?? if this is true all debts will be paid off and there will be a fresh start.

It does not work like that.  You are clueless!

Danyael posted:

. The AFC is powerful in that it can like it did the last time, bring down the government.

And achieve what?   The AFC isn't going to survive that stunt, so how much power do they really have.

Danyael posted:

ba$eman posted:

The PPP was never as corrupt as the PNC/AFC made it out.  It was all smoking mirrors.  Envy caused the PNC/AFC to play the "corruption" card, and it worked with enough weak minds and bitter souls to put them over the edge.

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff.  PNC don't tief not they leave nothing.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury!  Now, how did they do that while stealing all the way to the bank?

The PPP had problems, but it was not in the magnitude as touted by the PNC/AFC.

You lie like a skunk and if stanly ming said that he is nuts. The PPP at no time ever claim they had that much in reserve. They declared they had 800 million in reserve in 2014 and then 200 in 2014 and said t he rapid decline is that some were "lost" in the gold value decline.  The present Regime said the treasury was empty and that what remained was spread out in private accounts which the consolidated. Statistically that is nowhere 1 billion US except in your silly head.

Hey, the PPP left USD 1.5 Bil in reserves!

ba$eman posted:

Django posted:

ba$eman posted:

.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury! 

Where you pull this out from?? if this is true all debts will be paid off and there will be a fresh start.

It does not work like that.  You are clueless!

Ming is firmly in bed with the current regime, and he is a very smart man.  So he is NOT going to say nonsense like the PPP left Guyana a highly wealthy nation.

So you LIE!!!

ba$eman posted:

Django posted:

ba$eman posted:

The PPP was never as corrupt as the PNC/AFC made it out.  It was all smoking mirrors.  Envy caused the PNC/AFC to play the "corruption" card, and it worked with enough weak minds and bitter souls to put them over the edge.

As I said, they say PPP tief nuff, but they leff nuff.  PNC don't tief not they leave nothing.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury!  Now, how did they do that while stealing all the way to the bank?

The PPP had problems, but it was not in the magnitude as touted by the PNC/AFC.

Where you pull this out from?? if this is true all debts will be paid off and there will be a fresh start.

It does not work like that.  You are clueless!

Paying off the government debt Paying off the debt is largely a political choice. Who bears the cost of paying off the debt? Is it government workers through lower pay and lower benefits? Is it individuals who see a reduction in government services or entitlements, either directly through cuts or indirectly through slower growth in benefits? Is it taxpayers who pay higher taxes and fees? Are the additional taxes born by the rich or the poor or both? Is it bondholders who get paid back in inflated currency or don’t get paid back at all? Government debt as a share of GDP can be reduced or eliminated in a number of ways. 1. Run surpluses and pay off the debt as happened in the US in the 1830s, or reduce the debt/ GDP ratio by running surpluses as occurred around 2000 under Bill Clinton. Here the cost of the debt is imposed directly on taxpayers with no loss to fixed income investors.

https://www.globalfinancialdat.../government_debt.pdf

Refresh your memory a little.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

Django posted:

ba$eman posted:

.  Stanley Ming recently admitted the PPP left about USD 1.5 bil in the treasury! 

Where you pull this out from?? if this is true all debts will be paid off and there will be a fresh start.

It does not work like that.  You are clueless!

Ming is firmly in bed with the current regime, and he is a very smart man.  So he is NOT going to say nonsense like the PPP left Guyana a highly wealthy nation.

So you LIE!!!

Ming is an uneducated dunce.  He has no post secondary education and made up a stupid pie in the sky economic plan called Guyana 2030 which makes absolutely no sense.  He actually said the PPP left 1.7 billion US dollars in the Treasury.  Google "Stanley Ming 2030" and take a look.  It's on YouTube!

Guyana has an ethnic dilemma involving the two major groups who share strong mutual suspicion and animosity towards each other in the political domain. During the campaign leading up to last May's general elections I had expressed optimism in GNI Political that voters would overlook skin color and hair texture and cast their ballots for a government of national unity that APNU+AFC presidential candidate David Granger had promised. However, the elections results disappointed me in the sense that the overwhelming majority of Indians voted for the PPP, giving it more votes than in the 2011 elections. Clearly, the 12 percent Indian votes that the AFC had promised APNU did not materialize.

Since last May PPP supporters have increased their suspicion and antagonism and bitterness exponentially, as their comments in GNI Political Forum, Facebook and blogs show.

I have stated repeatedly here that Guyana would get real progress only when its citizens stop voting race and cast their ballots on issues and programs. As of now, I don't think we will reach that transformation in this generation and the next. Guyana will be marking time for decades to come. Guyana remains a house divided against itself.

Danyael posted:

Zed posted:

I notice that Politik did not mention the AFC. Is he building a case for the "existence" of the AFC, did he forget them because they are irrelevant politically at this point, or he did not hear that they are starting to take already.

Claiming the AFC is irrelevant  is distilled nonsense. More it is a balm for a wounded PPP believer since the though is like revenge for those who disassembled the PPP power structure. The AFC is powerful in that it can like it did the last time, bring down the government. If they do, they would have had good reason again.

In any event, "Political whatever" is suggesting systemic change. He is predicating rational structures in thought and action that can remake the social contract where the two party becomes irrelevant but where binding principles backed by people power matters.

I dare say he is right but for predicates his thoughts on the wrong foundation. Guyanese in general are avaricious, prejudicial, mean spirited and generalized ideological racists so you cannot start with the people. You have to move them to new thinking.

A lot of drivel about the AFC being able to bring down any government in the future. Lots of people who voted for them are cursing the day they did!  Look what is happening now, let them tell granger that they are dissatisfied with the non-adherence to the Cummingsburg accord. 

What was systemic about what  POlitik suggested? Having another political party? Is that what he suggested. What social contract that they think they have with the people? The AFC coalition partner said no apologies for 50 percent raise, they lied about increase old age benefits, the AFC keeping their mouth shut about the Cummingsburg accord which was to give real power to Moses as prime minister, about the govt. saying that rice was not government business after they messed up the industry in the short time they were there. 

If You are correct about Guyanese in general as you described, (I think that you are wrong)  and you do not start with the people, with what do you start? Suddenly people are divorced from what happens to them, they become objectified. Who or what will be the god? This systemic change will fall from heaven like manna?  Burnham tried divorcing change from the will of the people. What did we get in  28 years. Lots of poverty, broken systems, broken physical infra-structure, degraded social infra-structure, etc. These things you spout sound nice until they are examined.

Danyael posted:

The present Regime said the treasury was empty .....

How is this possible Stormy?