What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

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We need more structured mechanism ,such as the Community Centers, boys clubs and girls clubs, Scouts and Girls Guides, All Churches, back to the old days to teach wood working, baking, and sewing at schools. Yes, enforce strict alcohol laws in the bars, don't serve the drunks. Increase the price of booze and make it less accessible to the poor and uneducated.

 Set up a hotline for all domestic violence to be reported, have more social workers in the villages.

What I noted was around in the 60's and 70's, but greed and politics got in the way and neglect stepped in.

antabanta posted:

What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

I think liquor has a lot to do with it, deprives them of their proper senses, as in many cases you'll see them crying at the police station after they got out of their drunken stupor. Secondly, our culture is to blame. This type of behavior has been learnt by observation and openly practiced and tolerated for decades. If these men can't satisfy her or "control" her, then they beat her to "teach her a lesson". So yes, in this case many are control freaks. Happens even when they are in America.

Certainly education would help but I think of immediate need are centers for women in domestic violence situations to stay. They must know they don't have to stay in the situation; they must know violence by husbands/ boyfriends toward them is not normal behavior or accepted and there is a safe place they can go. Ample opportunity for NGO's to get involved.

Certainly there's more that can be done in terms of education also. 

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't Education free in Guyana.

Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:

What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

I think liquor has a lot to do with it, deprives them of their proper senses, as in many cases you'll see them crying at the police station after they got out of their drunken stupor. Secondly, our culture is to blame. This type of behavior has been learnt by observation and openly practiced and tolerated for decades. If these men can't satisfy her or "control" her, then they beat her to "teach her a lesson". So yes, in this case many are control freaks. Happens even when they are in America.

Certainly education would help but I think of immediate need are centers for women in domestic violence situations to stay. They must know they don't have to stay in the situation; they must know violence by husbands/ boyfriends toward them is not normal behavior or accepted and there is a safe place they can go. Ample opportunity for NGO's to get involved.

Certainly there's more that can be done in terms of education also. 

Alcohol consumption have a lot to do with domestic violence.I have experienced such as a kid,my mother couldn't take the abuse,made her mind up and parted ways with her four children,I am the eldest  around 8 yrs at the time,a very strong woman.

Older folks in communities use to step in the conflicts.In my adult life one of my friends father told me,he saw my father trying to harass my mother after parting ways,he stood to him to protect my mother.

We need more people in communities to guide people,unfortunately on my last visit to Guyana,my observation was no one cares anymore.

Iguana posted:

@Django I suggest you edit your last post to remove your personal experience. Or delete it altogether. There are some very mean spirited people here who will use that against you for years to come. And there will be no redress by the moderators.

Thanks Iguana.

My life is an open book,let them try,i can deal with them.

Django posted:
Iguana posted:

@Django I suggest you edit your last post to remove your personal experience. Or delete it altogether. There are some very mean spirited people here who will use that against you for years to come. And there will be no redress by the moderators.

Thanks Iguana.

My life is an open book,let them try,i will deal with them.

Foolhardy decision, but I respect it. Discretion is the better part of Valor.

Iguana posted:
Django posted:
Iguana posted:

@Django I suggest you edit your last post to remove your personal experience. Or delete it altogether. There are some very mean spirited people here who will use that against you for years to come. And there will be no redress by the moderators.

Thanks Iguana.

My life is an open book,let them try,i will deal with them.

Foolhardy decision, but I respect it. Discretion is the better part of Valor.

Bhai,i am cool person,i doan worry with naysayers,when pushed can fight fire with fire.

Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

Thank you for your profound contribution to discussion of the murder/suicide epidemic in Guyana.

kp posted:

We need more structured mechanism ,such as the Community Centers, boys clubs and girls clubs, Scouts and Girls Guides, All Churches, back to the old days to teach wood working, baking, and sewing at schools. Yes, enforce strict alcohol laws in the bars, don't serve the drunks. Increase the price of booze and make it less accessible to the poor and uneducated.

 Set up a hotline for all domestic violence to be reported, have more social workers in the villages.

What I noted was around in the 60's and 70's, but greed and politics got in the way and neglect stepped in.

What problem will the structured mechanism address? Why target the poor and uneducated? What's the point of not serving drunks who're already drunk? Wouldn't restricting alcohol - the one form of recreation most people have access to - drive people mad?

Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:

What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

I think liquor has a lot to do with it, deprives them of their proper senses, as in many cases you'll see them crying at the police station after they got out of their drunken stupor. Secondly, our culture is to blame. This type of behavior has been learnt by observation and openly practiced and tolerated for decades. If these men can't satisfy her or "control" her, then they beat her to "teach her a lesson". So yes, in this case many are control freaks. Happens even when they are in America.

Certainly education would help but I think of immediate need are centers for women in domestic violence situations to stay. They must know they don't have to stay in the situation; they must know violence by husbands/ boyfriends toward them is not normal behavior or accepted and there is a safe place they can go. Ample opportunity for NGO's to get involved.

Certainly there's more that can be done in terms of education also. 

Liquor reduces inhibitions and may be the catalyst but there has to be something deeper that prompts the anger that results in violence. A part of the problem may be peer pressure on men to "control" their women. How will women know they don't have to remain in a detrimental situation?

Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

What about parents make them the key?

Django posted:
Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:

What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

I think liquor has a lot to do with it, deprives them of their proper senses, as in many cases you'll see them crying at the police station after they got out of their drunken stupor. Secondly, our culture is to blame. This type of behavior has been learnt by observation and openly practiced and tolerated for decades. If these men can't satisfy her or "control" her, then they beat her to "teach her a lesson". So yes, in this case many are control freaks. Happens even when they are in America.

Certainly education would help but I think of immediate need are centers for women in domestic violence situations to stay. They must know they don't have to stay in the situation; they must know violence by husbands/ boyfriends toward them is not normal behavior or accepted and there is a safe place they can go. Ample opportunity for NGO's to get involved.

Certainly there's more that can be done in terms of education also. 

Alcohol consumption have a lot to do with domestic violence.I have experienced such as a kid,my mother couldn't take the abuse,made her mind up and parted ways with her four children,I am the eldest  around 8 yrs at the time,a very strong woman.

Older folks in communities use to step in the conflicts.In my adult life one of my friends father told me,he saw my father trying to harass my mother after parting ways,he stood to him to protect my mother.

We need more people in communities to guide people,unfortunately on my last visit to Guyana,my observation was no one cares anymore.

Nuff respect to your mother. Although the point is valid, people in many communities are reluctant to interfere in husband and wife story, justified in many cases because "she must be do something to deserve it." How can we change that? What do you think could have made a difference in your own family to keep it intact?

Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

Thank you for your profound contribution to discussion of the murder/suicide epidemic in Guyana.

First things first, djangy needs an editor. In terms of your discussion on Guyana, do you even live there? Those Guyanese actually living in Guyana and putting up with the hell hole created by the PNC will tell you to take care of your own ills before looking down your nose at them and telling them what to do. 

Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

On behalf of Django and all GNI thank you for correcting him.

What do you think of the murder/suicide epidemic ravaging Guyana's women?

antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

On behalf of Django and all GNI thank you for correcting him.

What do you think of the murder/suicide epidemic ravaging Guyana's women?

yall PNC to blame bai, yuh vote fuh dem rass, now de people teking blows and killing off each other in pnc hardtimes. 

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Thank you for your profound contribution to discussion of the murder/suicide epidemic in Guyana.

First things first, djangy needs an editor. In terms of your discussion on Guyana, do you even live there? Those Guyanese actually living in Guyana and putting up with the hell hole created by the PNC will tell you to take care of your own ills before looking down your nose at them and telling them what to do. 

But you're allowed to make posts daily about issues in Guyana because you live there? Was the suicide rate lower between 1992 and 2015?

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

On behalf of Django and all GNI thank you for correcting him.

What do you think of the murder/suicide epidemic ravaging Guyana's women?

yall PNC to blame bai, yuh vote fuh dem rass, now de people teking blows and killing off each other in pnc hardtimes. 

That's the full extent of your thoughts on the issue? Thank you for your contribution.

antabanta posted:
Django posted:
Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:

What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

I think liquor has a lot to do with it, deprives them of their proper senses, as in many cases you'll see them crying at the police station after they got out of their drunken stupor. Secondly, our culture is to blame. This type of behavior has been learnt by observation and openly practiced and tolerated for decades. If these men can't satisfy her or "control" her, then they beat her to "teach her a lesson". So yes, in this case many are control freaks. Happens even when they are in America.

Certainly education would help but I think of immediate need are centers for women in domestic violence situations to stay. They must know they don't have to stay in the situation; they must know violence by husbands/ boyfriends toward them is not normal behavior or accepted and there is a safe place they can go. Ample opportunity for NGO's to get involved.

Certainly there's more that can be done in terms of education also. 

Alcohol consumption have a lot to do with domestic violence.I have experienced such as a kid,my mother couldn't take the abuse,made her mind up and parted ways with her four children,I am the eldest  around 8 yrs at the time,a very strong woman.

Older folks in communities use to step in the conflicts.In my adult life one of my friends father told me,he saw my father trying to harass my mother after parting ways,he stood to him to protect my mother.

We need more people in communities to guide people,unfortunately on my last visit to Guyana,my observation was no one cares anymore.

Nuff respect to your mother. Although the point is valid, people in many communities are reluctant to interfere in husband and wife story, justified in many cases because "she must be do something to deserve it." How can we change that? What do you think could have made a difference in your own family to keep it intact?

This is a complex problem which requires a multifaceted solution. What I heard a lot growing up was, "meh nah gah no place fuh guh, who guh mind me an me pikney" , "no man nah want woman wid pikney", "no man nah guh treat meh pikney good", "no man nah want mind adda man pikney". A lot of these women are housewives and feel that they have no options. I am not an expert but I will bet that if statistics are compared, women with some recourse are less prone to being victims of domestic violence. Then there is the cultural aspect.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Nuff respect to your mother. Although the point is valid, people in many communities are reluctant to interfere in husband and wife story, justified in many cases because "she must be do something to deserve it." How can we change that? What do you think could have made a difference in your own family to keep it intact?

This is a complex problem which requires a multifaceted solution. What I heard a lot growing up was, "meh nah gah no place fuh guh, who guh mind me an me pikney" , "no man nah want woman wid pikney", "no man nah guh treat meh pikney good", "no man nah want mind adda man pikney". A lot of these women are housewives and feel that they have no options. I am not an expert but I will bet that if statistics are compared, women with some recourse are less prone to being victims of domestic violence. Then there is the cultural aspect.

Multifaceted indeed. Do you think there is a mental health issue? Control mechanisms anger and rage are mental health issues. Stockholm Syndrome displayed by victim housewives is also a psychological issue. 

So we have: mental health, Stockholm syndrome, alcohol, education, peer pressure/culture, recourse to alternatives, parenting (assuming this is related to education/upbringing?). What else contribute to the onslaught against against women? Frustration and depression because of poor living conditions?

Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

Who are you to question the highlighted,listen lil boy go sit in corner.It's your usual habit to question posters level of education on this forum.What's the reason ? probably there are some form of inferiority.

Don't derail the thread.

Another excellent thread by Anta. Another thread was closed earlier since it was based on race baiting and served no useful purpose. 

First, this issue affects women of all races in Guyana but mostly affect Indo Guyanese women who suffer at the hands of very abusive Indo Guyanese men. Most of the Indo Guyanese abusers are heavy drinkers who are the biggest culprits. 

Our Indo Guyanese community should be ashamed of themselves to allow this habit to continue to grow, our spiritual leaders and churches have also failed us miserably.

We need to learn from others communities like the Afro Guyanese community which does appear to have been able to deal with this problem since they have a more cohesive Church and Social community organization.

Schools should have mandatory classes on social behaviour and Anti Violence Courses. The education system need to implement these types of courses to at least prepare the next generation. Jagdeo abused  his wife and the PPP failed us miserably.

The current administration can bring badly needed change. Bring back prayers in schools, saying Christian prayers in schools did not make me less of a Hindu. 

Iguana provided us with the best solution. 

The problem though is that the current crop of politicians do not seem interested in dealing with this epidemic. Granger has shown willingness to address the problem, the PPP needs to step up to the plate. 

Yuji22

GTAngler posted:
 

This is a complex problem which requires a multifaceted solution. What I heard a lot growing up was, "meh nah gah no place fuh guh, who guh mind me an me pikney" , "no man nah want woman wid pikney", "no man nah guh treat meh pikney good", "no man nah want mind adda man pikney". A lot of these women are housewives and feel that they have no options. I am not an expert but I will bet that if statistics are compared, women with some recourse are less prone to being victims of domestic violence. Then there is the cultural aspect.

The problem is complex ,due to the taboo of leaving your husband.Family have to guide and give moral support to the victims of domestic abuse.

The good thing was my mother was working and her family gave the needed support.

antabanta posted:

Liquor reduces inhibitions and may be the catalyst but there has to be something deeper that prompts the anger that results in violence. A part of the problem may be peer pressure on men to "control" their women. How will women know they don't have to remain in a detrimental situation?

The catalysts could be many. However, the situation is dire, so in order to stop the bleeding (no pun intended) it is crucial that women in domestic violence situations have some place to go and not stay and "tek it". Y'all and the psychologists can tek yuh time to figure out the many reasons, but meanwhile the current victims need some redress. 

In the first world countries there are places for these women to go. I favor the establishment of centers or homes for them. NGO's (churches, civic organizations, etc.) can play a huge part in this. If there is even one home for 50 women set up, then that's 50 women removed from a dangerous situation. I'm of course hoping for far more than that given how pervasive the problem is.

You ask how women will know they don't have to remain in a detrimental situation. When I was a child in Georgetown, fatal traffic accidents were on the rise due to more people being able to afford cars, and many more driving drunk. I used to hear this jingle on the radio:

Don't drink and drive,
don't drive too fass.
If yuh reach a major road,
stop and don't pass.
(something, something) road safety,
and you will save de lives of humanity.

As you can see, it's embedded in my head decades later. People were aware of the need to drive carefully and accidents went down.

A similar approach is needed to alerting not just women, but the entire society to the evils of domestic violence. Today we have social media, the internet, TV, etc. to bring national attention to the problem. Why not use it? EVERYONE will know there is an alternative for DV victims.

The problem is - the usual Guyanese mentality. This has been an issue for over 50 years going back to plantation days and NEITHER party, and not even the AFC for that matter has seen fit to address it. Why is this not allotted to a ministry for oversight? Why isn't the first lady or someone as visible taking this up as a cause, not just drawing attention to it, but crafting solutions with civic organizations, NGO's etc?

Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

Who are you to question the highlighted,listen lil boy go sit in corner.It's your usual habit to question posters level of education on this forum.What's the reason ? probably there are some form of inferiority.

Don't derail the thread.

Djangy, he took like a decade to get his now obsolete diploma. Don't waste your time with this dense mule.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

On behalf of Django and all GNI thank you for correcting him.

What do you think of the murder/suicide epidemic ravaging Guyana's women?

yall PNC to blame bai, yuh vote fuh dem rass, now de people teking blows and killing off each other in pnc hardtimes. 

Druggie, shut your ignorant ass. These epidemics have existed long before you were ever a thought in your parents' heads. From killing someone because they won't let you marry their sister to hanging yourself because you got pregnant and aren't married and tons of other scenarios. We are privy to more of these situations with the advent of multiple forms of news and social media.

Iguana posted:

 

 I used to hear this jingle on the radio:

Don't drink and drive,
don't drive too fass.
If yuh reach a major road,
stop and don't pass.
(something, something) road safety,
and you will save de lives of humanity.

My good friend John Narine (passed away) from Enterprise,had a morning show on the radio about driving and traffic,i can recall his ABC of driving explaining ,Accelerator-Brake-Clutch.

Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

Who are you to question the highlighted,listen lil boy go sit in corner.It's your usual habit to question posters level of education on this forum.What's the reason ? probably there are some form of inferiority.

Don't derail the thread.

Djangy, he took like a decade to get his now obsolete diploma. Don't waste your time with this dense mule.

Please don't insult mules.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Prince, if you examine the statistics carefully, most of these inhuman actions are done by uneducated IDIOTS!!! So, education and skills training will be helpful. Also, Parents, Community and the wider Religious and other community organizations can play a big Role. However, I believe the Parents are the key.

So who stopping them ? aren't isn't Education free in Guyana.

 I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the grammar. 

You following in Bibi foot steps,if you feel it's worthy carry on smartly.

A thank you would have been sufficient given that there are questions about your level of education and your insistence of presenting yourself as some sort of intellectual when in fact all you do is spread propaganda on behalf of the pnc. 

On behalf of Django and all GNI thank you for correcting him.

What do you think of the murder/suicide epidemic ravaging Guyana's women?

yall PNC to blame bai, yuh vote fuh dem rass, now de people teking blows and killing off each other in pnc hardtimes. 

Bgurd, sometimes u make me think that youre not wrapped too tightly. What does the PNC got to do with the matter at hand? You do realize that during the PPP reign these very things presented here occured. Nothing has changed.

antabanta posted:

What is the cause? Anger is a control mechanism and since violence stems from anger, are most Guyanese men control freaks?

What can the govt or NGOs do to alleviate this epidemic of violence against women? Would an education campaign help? How about an education campaign targeting parents to teach their children not to abuse women? As we all know, charity starts at home.

Any thoughts, ideas?

I have been told by several non Guyanese Afro Caribbean women living in NYC that Guyanese men (in this case Afro but I bet it applies to others) are control freaks.  While not scientific it does appear to me as if Guyanese (both Afro and Indo) are inclined to do severe damage to women even in NYC.

So we need to know what is there within the Guyanese male mindset that creates this issue.  Domestic abuse is a problem among Caribbean people in general but (based on non scientific information) it does appear to be even more among Guyanese.  I don't know that Afro Guyanese women play roles within their family structures, or even with their partners that are different from other Afro Caribbean women.  I also don't know that they are more promiscuous so that isn't the excuse.

So it appears as if this is a Guyanese male problem.  Why?  Why is it that we feel the need to dominate women and totally destroy them when they don't allow us to do this?  I include the Afro because it shows that this problem extends beyond the Indo Guyanese culture where there are stresses as it transitions from a more conservative patriarchal society now that more of the women are entering the labor force and also delaying marriage and child bearing.

In any analysis there is a need for a control group for comparative purposes.  So there is the non Guyanese Afro compared to Guyanese, both Afro and Indo. While cultural differences exist between Afro and Indo Guyanese, the cultural differences between Afro Guyanese and other Afro (Anglo) Caribbean people is almost nonexistent.

kp posted:

We need more structured mechanism ,such as the Community Centers, boys clubs and girls clubs, Scouts and Girls Guides, All Churches, back to the old days to teach wood working, baking, and sewing at schools. Yes, enforce strict alcohol laws in the bars, don't serve the drunks. Increase the price of booze and make it less accessible to the poor and uneducated.

 Set up a hotline for all domestic violence to be reported, have more social workers in the villages.

What I noted was around in the 60's and 70's, but greed and politics got in the way and neglect stepped in.

While all good the issue of gender relations is what needs to be analyzed and adjusted.   I mentioned above that (based on anecdotal evidence) in NYC Afro Guyanese men are seen as being more controlling.  This controlling attitude is what precipitates domestic violence.

I suspect that alcoholism isn't a greater problem among Afro Guyanese men than it is among Afro Caribbean men.  Just as important the behavior of the drunk doesn't differ either.  I don't think that Afro Caribbean men use liquor as a cover to engage in certain behaviors as some might argue that Indo Caribbean men do. 

Iguana posted:

@Django I suggest you edit your last post to remove your personal experience. Or delete it altogether. There are some very mean spirited people here who will use that against you for years to come. And there will be no redress by the moderators.

Yes this is a larger issue. Sadly there are people on GNI (and other forums) who lack the sophistication to understand that when someone makes a comment it isn't just about their personal lives.

antabanta posted:
 

Liquor reduces inhibitions and may be the catalyst but there has to be something deeper that prompts the anger that results in violence. A part of the problem may be peer pressure on men to "control" their women. How will women know they don't have to remain in a detrimental situation?

Liquor might trigger the timid male but a lot of abuse come from alpha males.   I find too much focus on alcoholism in all of this.  Even if liquor is a trigger there is an underlying cause because not all drunk men go ahead beating up their wives or girl friends.

Alpha men don't need peer pressure either because most men don't engage in this type of violence and huge numbers even deplore it.  Evidence here on GNI.  No one has made excuses for this and I think all will be embarrassed if it becomes publicly knowledge that they engage in it.

antabanta posted:
 

people in many communities are reluctant to interfere in husband and wife story, justified in many cases because "she must be do something to deserve it."

Now we are getting closer to it.

1.  Some women are financially dependent on their men so fear leaving them, especially if they have kids.

2. Some women are terrified that their men are so violent that if they leave sure death will follow if these men find them.

3. Some women still (oddly enough) love these men and so tolerate this behavior and they lack the strength to save themselves.

4. Especially among the 50+ age cohort some women still might believe that their husband has a right to dominate them and to use violence as a controlling mechanism.

5. Many women lack a supporting social network so cannot lean on others to protect them or to give them the strength.

6.  In the Caribbean the authorities aren't really serious about protect victims of domestic violence.  Are "order of protection" decrees enforced?  Do the police take the women seriously when they complain.

If we are serious about reducing domestic abuse we will focus especially on the last two points.

Drugb posted:
 

First things first, djangy needs an editor. In terms of your discussion on Guyana, do you even live there? Those Guyanese actually living in Guyana and putting up with the hell hole created by the PNC will tell you to take care of your own ills before looking down your nose at them and telling them what to do. 

Druggie domestic violence has NOTHING to do with politics so why bring it up?  Secondly domestic abuse is very evident among Guyanese HERE IN NYC, so whether we live or don't live in Guyana it remains a relevant concern. 

Guyanese men who beat up their women in Guyana continue to do so when they migrate.  The only difference is that the authorities in NYC are more sympathetic to women than they are in Guyana so a call to the police will result in a jail sentence quite likely.  

In fact in NYC sometimes even the threat of violence can have legal consequences so maybe we are more careful here, but a certain mindset still exists. 

Sheik101 . 

Bgurd, sometimes u make me think that youre not wrapped too tightly. What does the PNC got to do with the matter at hand? You do realize that during the PPP reign these very things presented here occured. Nothing has changed.

Its his racist nature. All societal problems are created by blacks whether they are directly responsible or not.  So in his little head if an Indo man kills his woman "black man still to blame".

Nehru posted:

Ray, Parents need to guide their Kids from very young. Yes, they must be allowed to think and act independently BUT most of us know that what children hear/see when they are young affects them.

Guyana is a chaotic society, the results being complete disrespect for life. Whether it is race politics or policemen shaking down citizens, there is no order of society.

Identifying the problem is fantastic.

And that is it.

Solutions will not be forthcoming because NO ONE CARES for the other.

Indians kill Indians, that is an indian problem. I agree on that.

Doan expect anymore from Granger on the issue of women safety from the men folk of Guyana.

Good thread!

As mentioned before, the mindset of being DA MAN and looking down on the woman starts from a young age, women are seen as the weaker sex and man has the upper hand. Someone here mentioned building places for these women to go for their safety and not feel they have to stick around for another beating, this is good for now to get them out of harm's way but the authorities should act quickly on these matters by tossing these creeps in jail after giving them a good thumping with the phone book, letting the man know there will always be consequences for their actions.

Another mention was on a jingle, this may seem simple but at least it gets into the heads of the young and hopefully as they age the mentality of man having to hurt the woman is removed.

These abusers need to be tied to a house post, handcuffed and be allowed to run around the post. Let the woman and her family do the beating and let's see how he feels. I saw this happening in one African country to a bunch of teenagers who raped a woman. There were about 4-5 naked teenagers tied around the post and a bunch of women doing the beating.  

skeldon_man posted:

I saw this happening in one African country to a bunch of teenagers who raped a woman. There were about 4-5 naked teenagers tied around the post and a bunch of women doing the beating.  

...were you visiting ancestral relatives at the time, Skelly?

Iguana posted:
skeldon_man posted:

I saw this happening in one African country to a bunch of teenagers who raped a woman. There were about 4-5 naked teenagers tied around the post and a bunch of women doing the beating.  

...were you visiting ancestral relatives at the time, Skelly?

Gwanaman, I saw this on 60 minutes a while ago. I thought it was a fitting punishment for the criminals. I have no desire to visit any ancestral land. I have seen the scorn the Indians show to their own and Indians from other parts of the world. Let them continue shitting in their yards, on train tracks or hang their asses off of any elevated object...even their windows..

yuji22 posted:

Another excellent thread by Anta. Another thread was closed earlier since it was based on race baiting and served no useful purpose. 

First, this issue affects women of all races in Guyana but mostly affect Indo Guyanese women who suffer at the hands of very abusive Indo Guyanese men. Most of the Indo Guyanese abusers are heavy drinkers who are the biggest culprits. 

Our Indo Guyanese community should be ashamed of themselves to allow this habit to continue to grow, our spiritual leaders and churches have also failed us miserably.

We need to learn from others communities like the Afro Guyanese community which does appear to have been able to deal with this problem since they have a more cohesive Church and Social community organization.

Schools should have mandatory classes on social behaviour and Anti Violence Courses. The education system need to implement these types of courses to at least prepare the next generation. Jagdeo abused  his wife and the PPP failed us miserably.

The current administration can bring badly needed change. Bring back prayers in schools, saying Christian prayers in schools did not make me less of a Hindu. 

Iguana provided us with the best solution. 

The problem though is that the current crop of politicians do not seem interested in dealing with this epidemic. Granger has shown willingness to address the problem, the PPP needs to step up to the plate. 

Yuji22

This is an epidemic which by definition affects everyone - including spiritual leaders and community organizations. The diseased cannot cure the disease. While it might be less prevalent within afro-guyanese communities they are not exempt. Just in April this year, a captain in the GDF shot his mistress. I met him the night before the crime and his manner and conduct gave no hint he was capable of such an act. But your point is valid and we must ask why is it more prevalent in Indo communities. Is it because rural areas are predominantly Indian and their living conditions are poor? Is there a disparity in the number of women murdered in crimes of passion between urban and rural areas? Instead of re-introducing religion in schools, wouldn't it be better to address the actual issue in schools? Isn't it better to start teaching children how to handle rejection and to understand that men don't own women and teach them respect? Isn't better to let children know of the negative impact of peer pressure and teach to refuse to be goaded into acts of brutality?

Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:

Liquor reduces inhibitions and may be the catalyst but there has to be something deeper that prompts the anger that results in violence. A part of the problem may be peer pressure on men to "control" their women. How will women know they don't have to remain in a detrimental situation?

The catalysts could be many. However, the situation is dire, so in order to stop the bleeding (no pun intended) it is crucial that women in domestic violence situations have some place to go and not stay and "tek it". Y'all and the psychologists can tek yuh time to figure out the many reasons, but meanwhile the current victims need some redress. 

In the first world countries there are places for these women to go. I favor the establishment of centers or homes for them. NGO's (churches, civic organizations, etc.) can play a huge part in this. If there is even one home for 50 women set up, then that's 50 women removed from a dangerous situation. I'm of course hoping for far more than that given how pervasive the problem is.

You ask how women will know they don't have to remain in a detrimental situation. When I was a child in Georgetown, fatal traffic accidents were on the rise due to more people being able to afford cars, and many more driving drunk. I used to hear this jingle on the radio:

Don't drink and drive,
don't drive too fass.
If yuh reach a major road,
stop and don't pass.
(something, something) road safety,
and you will save de lives of humanity.

As you can see, it's embedded in my head decades later. People were aware of the need to drive carefully and accidents went down.

A similar approach is needed to alerting not just women, but the entire society to the evils of domestic violence. Today we have social media, the internet, TV, etc. to bring national attention to the problem. Why not use it? EVERYONE will know there is an alternative for DV victims.

The problem is - the usual Guyanese mentality. This has been an issue for over 50 years going back to plantation days and NEITHER party, and not even the AFC for that matter has seen fit to address it. Why is this not allotted to a ministry for oversight? Why isn't the first lady or someone as visible taking this up as a cause, not just drawing attention to it, but crafting solutions with civic organizations, NGO's etc?

I support the idea of an ongoing campaign to embed the idea. The reason no one is drawing attention to the matter may be because there isn't enough noise.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

people in many communities are reluctant to interfere in husband and wife story, justified in many cases because "she must be do something to deserve it."

Now we are getting closer to it.

1.  Some women are financially dependent on their men so fear leaving them, especially if they have kids.

2. Some women are terrified that their men are so violent that if they leave sure death will follow if these men find them.

3. Some women still (oddly enough) love these men and so tolerate this behavior and they lack the strength to save themselves.

4. Especially among the 50+ age cohort some women still might believe that their husband has a right to dominate them and to use violence as a controlling mechanism.

5. Many women lack a supporting social network so cannot lean on others to protect them or to give them the strength.

6.  In the Caribbean the authorities aren't really serious about protect victims of domestic violence.  Are "order of protection" decrees enforced?  Do the police take the women seriously when they complain.

If we are serious about reducing domestic abuse we will focus especially on the last two points.

So we can at least establish the problem is not ethnic.

Alcohol has different individual chemical interaction which might depend on the person's emotions at the time.

The last two points, while addressing valid issues, are not causes of the problem. Focusing on them will not bring us closer to a solution, if there is a solution.

seignet posted:
Nehru posted:

Ray, Parents need to guide their Kids from very young. Yes, they must be allowed to think and act independently BUT most of us know that what children hear/see when they are young affects them.

Guyana is a chaotic society, the results being complete disrespect for life. Whether it is race politics or policemen shaking down citizens, there is no order of society.

Identifying the problem is fantastic.

And that is it.

Solutions will not be forthcoming because NO ONE CARES for the other.

Indians kill Indians, that is an indian problem. I agree on that.

Doan expect anymore from Granger on the issue of women safety from the men folk of Guyana.

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

cain posted:

Good thread!

As mentioned before, the mindset of being DA MAN and looking down on the woman starts from a young age, women are seen as the weaker sex and man has the upper hand. Someone here mentioned building places for these women to go for their safety and not feel they have to stick around for another beating, this is good for now to get them out of harm's way but the authorities should act quickly on these matters by tossing these creeps in jail after giving them a good thumping with the phone book, letting the man know there will always be consequences for their actions.

Another mention was on a jingle, this may seem simple but at least it gets into the heads of the young and hopefully as they age the mentality of man having to hurt the woman is removed.

So we have to change the mentality of men to develop more respect for women. If jail was an adequate deterrent to crime, they would not be overflowing.

skeldon_man posted:

These abusers need to be tied to a house post, handcuffed and be allowed to run around the post. Let the woman and her family do the beating and let's see how he feels. I saw this happening in one African country to a bunch of teenagers who raped a woman. There were about 4-5 naked teenagers tied around the post and a bunch of women doing the beating.  

Did the beating significantly reduce rape in that country? If not, then something else is needed - like mental rewiring.

Gilbakka posted:

I haven't read news reports of domestic violence in Portuguese households in Guyana. Seems like Portuguese men respect their women. 

Again, could this be a location issue? Portuguese are not known to live in rural areas. Also, they are a very small percentage of the population with a corresponding small proportion of such crimes. But from what I know of Guyana and Guyanese, I don't think ethnicity is relevant.

antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:

These abusers need to be tied to a house post, handcuffed and be allowed to run around the post. Let the woman and her family do the beating and let's see how he feels. I saw this happening in one African country to a bunch of teenagers who raped a woman. There were about 4-5 naked teenagers tied around the post and a bunch of women doing the beating.  

Did the beating significantly reduce rape in that country? If not, then something else is needed - like mental rewiring.

There was no follow up so I don't know, but I thought it was a good display of justice. Incidentally, the dudes were handed over to the authorities after the beatings.
I saw the physical abuse my mother took from time to time. This was not isolated in our household only.  At times she wanted to commit suicide. She was a strong woman. None of our brothers turned out to be abusers.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
Nehru posted:

Ray, Parents need to guide their Kids from very young. Yes, they must be allowed to think and act independently BUT most of us know that what children hear/see when they are young affects them.

Guyana is a chaotic society, the results being complete disrespect for life. Whether it is race politics or policemen shaking down citizens, there is no order of society.

Identifying the problem is fantastic.

And that is it.

Solutions will not be forthcoming because NO ONE CARES for the other.

Indians kill Indians, that is an indian problem. I agree on that.

Doan expect anymore from Granger on the issue of women safety from the men folk of Guyana.

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the problem still exists. Dey ain doing a good enough job.

Domestic violence prevails in every society even though it can be argued that it is more prevalent on some Eastern societies. Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist. The American court system punishes violent husbands because the abuse of women in this society has been a major problem and it still is. I am not defending the actions of violent Indian men. All I'm saying it is wrong to politicize it and blow it out of proportion.

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
Nehru posted:

Ray, Parents need to guide their Kids from very young. Yes, they must be allowed to think and act independently BUT most of us know that what children hear/see when they are young affects them.

Guyana is a chaotic society, the results being complete disrespect for life. Whether it is race politics or policemen shaking down citizens, there is no order of society.

Identifying the problem is fantastic.

And that is it.

Solutions will not be forthcoming because NO ONE CARES for the other.

Indians kill Indians, that is an indian problem. I agree on that.

Doan expect anymore from Granger on the issue of women safety from the men folk of Guyana.

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the problem still exists. Dey ain doing a good enough job.

Must all your replies be asinine?

Gilbakka posted:

I haven't read news reports of domestic violence in Portuguese households in Guyana. Seems like Portuguese men respect their women. 

There are very few of them in Guyana so the law of probabilities say that you will not hear of too many.

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the problem still exists. Dey ain doing a good enough job.

The only job we're doing is talk about the problem and bring attention to it. No one here is looking to fix the problem tomorrow or next year or anytime soon but in order to find a solution, we have to actually look at the problem. That's not too difficult to understand... right?

antabanta posted:
 

This is an epidemic which by definition affects everyone - including spiritual leaders and community organizations.

Not saying that the "spiritual" don't engage in domestic violence but sometimes we preach to the choir.

Women need to know that there is a safe space to escape abusive husbands.  That is the beginning.  Once more can do this then the law can do what it should.  When abusive men find out that their deeds will be punished I think that many will think before they act.

Its an attitude of entitlement that too many men have and sadly too many women are brainwashed into thinking that this is behavior that they should accept.

I hope that this is no longer acceptable but growing up in Guyana in the 70s  I remember hearing some women say "if he don' beat me dat mean he don' love me".  So both genders were enabling domestic abuse.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Domestic violence prevails in every society even though it can be argued that it is more prevalent on some Eastern societies. Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist. The American court system punishes violent husbands because the abuse of women in this society has been a major problem and it still is. I am not defending the actions of violent Indian men. All I'm saying it is wrong to politicize it and blow it out of proportion.

Maybe abuse is more prevalent within Indian communities not because the male is more chauvinistic but because the women are more timid and docile?

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist.

Not to derail this but anti black posters love to highlight every crime as evidence of black criminality even before they find out who the perpetrators were.  In some instances the perps ended up being Indians.

This has now stopped within recent years as Indo on Indo violence has become too rampant to ignore.

Even you will concede that there is way more discussion of negative black stereotypes on GNI than on any other ethnic group.

antabanta posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Domestic violence prevails in every society even though it can be argued that it is more prevalent on some Eastern societies. Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist. The American court system punishes violent husbands because the abuse of women in this society has been a major problem and it still is. I am not defending the actions of violent Indian men. All I'm saying it is wrong to politicize it and blow it out of proportion.

Maybe abuse is more prevalent within Indian communities not because the male is more chauvinistic but because the women are more timid and docile?

Indian women are very aggressive. Just ask Mitwah and Django how fearful they are of being thrown out of the house.

antabanta posted:
 

Maybe abuse is more prevalent within Indian communities not because the male is more chauvinistic but because the women are more timid and docile?

I think that we need to stop saying "Indian" and then start looking at the segments of the Indian population that this seems to occur most often.

I suggest that it might be more prevalent in the rural areas where there are fewer employment opportunities for women, so they are more dependent on their menfolk (not only husbands by the way but even fathers and brothers).    

is this a feature of life for more urbanized Indian women who live in and around G/T which offers vastly more scope for women to be independent?  This means they marry when they want to, to whom they want to, and if that person is a bad man they can also leave that person.  They likely have more social support networks to enable them to deal with the situation, and operate within a less conservative environment.  It is also easier for them to resist attempts by their families (their own and the in-laws) to control their lives.

antabanta posted:
 

The only job we're doing is talk about the problem and bring attention to it. No one here is looking to fix the problem tomorrow or next year or anytime soon but in order to find a solution, we have to actually look at the problem. That's not too difficult to understand... right?

Yes you cannot diagnose a problem until one understands it.  I happen to think that blaming alcohol or ethnicity (as if this is monolithic) is simplistic.

The question is why do some men think that they have the right to behave like this and why do some women tolerate this until its too late?  That is what we need to try to understand.

I hope that Guyana has moved beyond the 70s when men of all races felt that beating up their women was part of the culture.

caribny posted:

I hope that this is no longer acceptable but growing up in Guyana in the 70s  I remember hearing some women say "if he don' beat me dat mean he don' love me".  So both genders were enabling domestic abuse.

Again - our culture. It was even captured in a song by Sparrow

black up dey eye,
bruise up deh knee,
den dey love you eternally

Generations raised on this mindset. The chickens have come home to roost.

Iguana posted:
caribny posted:

I hope that this is no longer acceptable but growing up in Guyana in the 70s  I remember hearing some women say "if he don' beat me dat mean he don' love me".  So both genders were enabling domestic abuse.

Again - our culture. It was even captured in a song by Sparrow

black up dey eye,
bruise up deh knee,
den dey love you eternally

Generations raised on this mindset. The chickens have come home to roost.

And I remember as a little kid singing that loudly, not knowing the significance of it.

caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
caribny posted:

I hope that this is no longer acceptable but growing up in Guyana in the 70s  I remember hearing some women say "if he don' beat me dat mean he don' love me".  So both genders were enabling domestic abuse.

Again - our culture. It was even captured in a song by Sparrow

black up dey eye,
bruise up deh knee,
den dey love you eternally

Generations raised on this mindset. The chickens have come home to roost.

And I remember as a little kid singing that loudly, not knowing the significance of it.

Same here. All these kicking dust at house party.

antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Thank you for your profound contribution to discussion of the murder/suicide epidemic in Guyana.

First things first, djangy needs an editor. In terms of your discussion on Guyana, do you even live there? Those Guyanese actually living in Guyana and putting up with the hell hole created by the PNC will tell you to take care of your own ills before looking down your nose at them and telling them what to do. 

But you're allowed to make posts daily about issues in Guyana because you live there? Was the suicide rate lower between 1992 and 2015?

Take care of domestic abuse in us and ca before dictating to Guyanese what they should do. Yall rass think you better than them people over there?

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the problem still exists. Dey ain doing a good enough job.

The only job we're doing is talk about the problem and bring attention to it. No one here is looking to fix the problem tomorrow or next year or anytime soon but in order to find a solution, we have to actually look at the problem. That's not too difficult to understand... right?

I thought u were ready to fix the problem. My solution is to tell dem about the Christ. Dey country need to focus on the Cross. 

antabanta posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Domestic violence prevails in every society even though it can be argued that it is more prevalent on some Eastern societies. Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist. The American court system punishes violent husbands because the abuse of women in this society has been a major problem and it still is. I am not defending the actions of violent Indian men. All I'm saying it is wrong to politicize it and blow it out of proportion.

Maybe abuse is more prevalent within Indian communities not because the male is more chauvinistic but because the women are more timid and docile?

Bai, yuh really doan know coolie wimen. Many of dem can mek dem man go bunkers-in the end licks like peas or chop up.

Baseman posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And yet, with all of this knowledge, some are trying desperately to get into abusive relationships.

When will you learn?

Ask Varshanie!  She seh she gatt nuff to teach stupidy coolie wimen!

Better to ask the lady who find a man and run away to Sweden.  If she could a read and write, she would have written a book on mental and physical abuse.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Thank you for your profound contribution to discussion of the murder/suicide epidemic in Guyana.

First things first, djangy needs an editor. In terms of your discussion on Guyana, do you even live there? Those Guyanese actually living in Guyana and putting up with the hell hole created by the PNC will tell you to take care of your own ills before looking down your nose at them and telling them what to do. 

But you're allowed to make posts daily about issues in Guyana because you live there? Was the suicide rate lower between 1992 and 2015?

Take care of domestic abuse in us and ca before dictating to Guyanese what they should do. Yall rass think you better than them people over there?

You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the problem still exists. Dey ain doing a good enough job.

The only job we're doing is talk about the problem and bring attention to it. No one here is looking to fix the problem tomorrow or next year or anytime soon but in order to find a solution, we have to actually look at the problem. That's not too difficult to understand... right?

I thought u were ready to fix the problem. My solution is to tell dem about the Christ. Dey country need to focus on the Cross. 

The cross is a farce that was used to enslave people. That won't help anyone. 

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Domestic violence prevails in every society even though it can be argued that it is more prevalent on some Eastern societies. Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist. The American court system punishes violent husbands because the abuse of women in this society has been a major problem and it still is. I am not defending the actions of violent Indian men. All I'm saying it is wrong to politicize it and blow it out of proportion.

Maybe abuse is more prevalent within Indian communities not because the male is more chauvinistic but because the women are more timid and docile?

Bai, yuh really doan know coolie wimen. Many of dem can mek dem man go bunkers-in the end licks like peas or chop up.

So if it's not that the men are more abusive or the women more docile, what do you think is the issue?

antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

You got too much slop in your head and black bigan up your rear end. You are asking stupid questions.

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Domestic violence prevails in every society even though it can be argued that it is more prevalent on some Eastern societies. Anti-Indian elements on this forum love to post articles to reinforce the negative stereotypes of Indian men as the violent male-Chauvinist. The American court system punishes violent husbands because the abuse of women in this society has been a major problem and it still is. I am not defending the actions of violent Indian men. All I'm saying it is wrong to politicize it and blow it out of proportion.

Maybe abuse is more prevalent within Indian communities not because the male is more chauvinistic but because the women are more timid and docile?

Bai, yuh really doan know coolie wimen. Many of dem can mek dem man go bunkers-in the end licks like peas or chop up.

So if it's not that the men are more abusive or the women more docile, what do you think is the issue?

The quality of life. 

It is not easy to live in Guyana-people are in despair and are on edge 24 x 7.

Recreation, ends up drinking away their sorrows. 

Basically, no one cares about the other-everybody ketching dey azz.

Mitwah posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

You got too much slop in your head and black bigan up your rear end. You are asking stupid questions.

Hey GTAngler, yuh tink this post is assinine?

antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:

This thread shows many people who care, from all races and who support various parties. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the problem still exists. Dey ain doing a good enough job.

The only job we're doing is talk about the problem and bring attention to it. No one here is looking to fix the problem tomorrow or next year or anytime soon but in order to find a solution, we have to actually look at the problem. That's not too difficult to understand... right?

I thought u were ready to fix the problem. My solution is to tell dem about the Christ. Dey country need to focus on the Cross. 

The cross is a farce that was used to enslave people. That won't help anyone. 

True believers have better lives.

The Cross also was instrumental in freeing the slaves.

There is much confusion in mans inhumanity to his fellow man.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Bgurd, forget about stats and newspaper articles. U know damn well that women in guyana are being brutalized on a daily basis. Some even lose their lives in the process. Sad reality. So instead of questioning Anta, u should accept this as a fact, because it is. Alas,  u are so taken up with this obsession of black baigan on every thread that your sense of reasoning has become clouded.

Sheik101 posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Bgurd, forget about stats and newspaper articles. U know damn well that women in guyana are being brutalized on a daily basis. Some even lose their lives in the process. Sad reality. So instead of questioning Anta, u should accept this as a fact, because it is. Alas,  u are so taken up with this obsession of black baigan on every thread that your sense of reasoning has become clouded.

we know one another. and you would know that women get mistreated in guyana for generations. but now, the news gets hold of it and it flies.

if anything, less women are are being bullied but the few that do gets the coverage makes it big. 

Women doan tek nonsense these days.

Sheik101 posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Bgurd, forget about stats and newspaper articles. U know damn well that women in guyana are being brutalized on a daily basis. Some even lose their lives in the process. Sad reality. So instead of questioning Anta, u should accept this as a fact, because it is. Alas,  u are so taken up with this obsession of black baigan on every thread that your sense of reasoning has become clouded.

Everywhere they are brutalized daily. Why do you overseas folks feel the need to solve issues in Guyana when you can't even solve the same issues in the country that you live in. 

Drugb posted:
Sheik101 posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Bgurd, forget about stats and newspaper articles. U know damn well that women in guyana are being brutalized on a daily basis. Some even lose their lives in the process. Sad reality. So instead of questioning Anta, u should accept this as a fact, because it is. Alas,  u are so taken up with this obsession of black baigan on every thread that your sense of reasoning has become clouded.

Everywhere they are brutalized daily. Why do you overseas folks feel the need to solve issues in Guyana when you can't even solve the same issues in the country that you live in. 

You are only interested on your next can of slop and the big black bigan up your poop chute. What do you really care? You are a beast in human form. Your avatar of half human + half animal depicts you as a therianthrope and it aptly explains your displayed beast like mentality. 

 

 

Mitwah posted:
You are only interested on your next can of slop and the big black bigan up your poop chute. What do you really care? You are a beast in human form. Your avatar of half human + half animal depicts you as a therianthrope and it aptly explains your displayed beast like mentality. 

 

 

Why do you fake concern for the women of Guyana from your perch of relative luxury?  Guyanese are competent enough to take care of their own women folk when the need arises. They don't need slop can carriers like you to have debate over how they should solve their problems. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And yet, with all of this knowledge, some are trying desperately to get into abusive relationships.

When will you learn?

Ask Varshanie!  She seh she gatt nuff to teach stupidy coolie wimen!

Better to ask the lady who find a man and run away to Sweden.  If she could a read and write, she would have written a book on mental and physical abuse.

Well, queen LIAR, if my daughter hear you say that, she would take her dirty socks off and stuff in your fat dirty lying mouth.

And no, my ex is not like you.  She met someone three years after we were separated and got into a stable relationship.  Good for her.  She prefers not to spend the rest of her life as a free ranging hen seeking any free and not-so-free rooster!

And anyway, why you seem so obsessed with the fact that she is not Ivy League educated like you but living the life!  You have to get up, brave the snow and rub up against dog and cat hair on the E-train while she's sipping cappuccino!  Well, I guess beauty has its premium!  And she likely has a larger pension than you, and hardly ever worked a day.

For your own mental health, you need to stop trolling the woman, she cares nothing for you!  Be contented with your life!

seignet posted:
Mitwah posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

You got too much slop in your head and black bigan up your rear end. You are asking stupid questions.

Hey GTAngler, yuh tink this post is assinine?

Which post? Drugb's refusing to accept that domestic violence is a problem in Guyana and coming up with the usual "where you get that from" response instead of trying to come up with a solution, or Mitwah's? I didn't know you had to compare statistics with the rest of the world to find an "acceptable rate". If Drugb's, absolutely. Mitwah gave an appropriate response.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

You don't read much, do you?

seignet posted:
Sheik101 posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Bgurd, forget about stats and newspaper articles. U know damn well that women in guyana are being brutalized on a daily basis. Some even lose their lives in the process. Sad reality. So instead of questioning Anta, u should accept this as a fact, because it is. Alas,  u are so taken up with this obsession of black baigan on every thread that your sense of reasoning has become clouded.

we know one another. and you would know that women get mistreated in guyana for generations. but now, the news gets hold of it and it flies.

if anything, less women are are being bullied but the few that do gets the coverage makes it big. 

Women doan tek nonsense these days.

Have you not been reading the news? Women in Guyana are getting brutalized and murdered constantly.

Drugb posted:
Sheik101 posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
You do know this is a forum for Guyanese and about Guyana... right? Look at the website name for a hint. Are you saying that you're not aware of an unusually high rate of violence against women in Guyana?

Based on what study? You compared statistics against the rest of the world? Or you jumping to conclusions based on newspaper articles?

Bgurd, forget about stats and newspaper articles. U know damn well that women in guyana are being brutalized on a daily basis. Some even lose their lives in the process. Sad reality. So instead of questioning Anta, u should accept this as a fact, because it is. Alas,  u are so taken up with this obsession of black baigan on every thread that your sense of reasoning has become clouded.

Everywhere they are brutalized daily. Why do you overseas folks feel the need to solve issues in Guyana when you can't even solve the same issues in the country that you live in. 

Again.. you seem to have a severe deficiency of knowledge and awareness.  Perhaps you can't stand the idea there are people who can indulge in a higher level of thought.

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