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Originally Posted by KishanB:

Guys, we all have to remember President Granger is under much pressure from his PNC party.  The AFC got 40% of everything - cabinet, MPs, heads of Department etc.

 

This is a fair deal.

 

It is working.

 

Why trouble it.

 

Yes there could have been more HINDU representatives in the Cabinet, but other than that, this Cabinet tick all the boxes especially on the WOMEN's FRONT (NUFF women in the Cabinet).

Datt "Hindu" philosophy got PPP down the shaft.  If they paid attention to the needs of the people and not left them up to "karma", they would not have such a mess.

 

PNC giving alyuh nuff nuff honey this time around.  Let's see 2020, maybe even before.  Read the "hints" coming for Caribj!

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Here we go again with inane nonsense!

Knew you would behave like DG even though senility isn't your excuse, so I even went ahead and broke it down for you.

 

So why don't you go to those numbers and prove that Moses delivered a bigger margin in Regions 2,3, 5 and 6 than APNU did in regions 7 and 10?

 

APNUs win in Gtown (SOUTH Gtown to be exact) was so big that I don't even know why you would dare challenge that.

 

Seriously you cannot prove that Moses delivered a significant Indian vote, so don't even try.  In fact his fate is now tied to Granger's.  If Granger fails the AFC is finished.

Not if the constitution change to allow collation after elections. AfC would be in a better position to negotiate the better deal offer by APNU verses the PPP.

sachin_05
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Kari while we speak there are folks in the PNC who want to know what the AFC did to deserve 40% of cabinet. 

That is PNC being typical PNC. They always wanted all of it even though they did not work for or deserve all of it. Without the AFC, the PNC wouldn't have the 60% of the Cabinet they have now. They would have zero %.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

I am not defending the leaders of the party bai. I am addressing the notion that the masses are stupid for voting PPP. No matter how much the leaders may have deviated from ideal governance, the masses are still better served by the PPP than by the PNC. Nothing in history can contest that argument.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S....dem coolie idiots was tiefin millions and neglected a State that is about to produce billions.

Timing is of the essence.

Nah, they were outwitted by the USA.  You see, the announcement (Exxon) was made within days of the PNC victory.  How coincidental.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

I am not defending the leaders of the party bai. I am addressing the notion that the masses are stupid for voting PPP. No matter how much the leaders may have deviated from ideal governance, the masses are still better served by the PPP than by the PNC. Nothing in history can contest that argument.

The masses of Indians are trapped by ethnic security fears and vote "safety in numbers".  The real culprits of the demise of Indians are their leaders.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S....dem coolie idiots was tiefin millions and neglected a State that is about to produce billions.

Timing is of the essence.

Nah, they were outwitted by the USA.  You see, the announcement (Exxon) was made within days of the PNC victory.  How coincidental.

 

Dem idiots still too schupid to realize how many varied elements came together to kick them from power. I'm only surprised it took this long for the old stars to align against them. These people doan learn.

 

This was not the decision of a clerk of the State Department. This was a major policy shift on how to handle Venezuela. Venezuela now has a limitless American presence on its borders and if Exxon is really wicked (which I have no doubt of) they can use gravity to drain some Venezuelan oil fields

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S....dem coolie idiots was tiefin millions and neglected a State that is about to produce billions.

Timing is of the essence.

Nah, they were outwitted by the USA.  You see, the announcement (Exxon) was made within days of the PNC victory.  How coincidental.

 

Dem idiots still too schupid to realize how many varied elements came together to kick them from power. I'm only surprised it took this long for the old stars to align against them. These people doan learn.

 

This was not the decision of a clerk of the State Department. This was a major policy shift on how to handle Venezuela. Venezuela now has a limitless American presence on its borders and if Exxon is really wicked (which I have no doubt of) they can use gravity to drain some Venezuelan oil fields

And the US will not allow another anti-US regime access to oil wealth to strengthen the Maduro/Morales/Castro axis.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Just as the PPP just shocked themselves by learning that they can actually lose, so will APNU (AFC) lose if power makes them arrogant and corrupt.  Even as the mixed vote grows, if the PPP moves from its racist orientation it might be able to woo them, as well as cross over black votes.

 

But if they sulk and pout and walk around the streets like vagrants then their prospects will be no better than those of the UF.

 

* Well said Carib.

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

It's a divided country.  AFC power helped the APNU to defeat the PPP. The future of the AFC depends on its party organization.

 

 

* The AFC will never become a mass based party like the PPP and PNC, but they can remain "kingmakers" for years to come.

 

* What the AFC needs to ensure is the CONSTITUTION is reformed to diminish the power of the President.

 

* Unless the President is stripped of the power of recall for example----the AFC is powerless in the current coalition.

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Recall that the increased votes in Region 7 and 10 was MORE than the PPP loss.

 

Here we go again - a load of poppycock!

You can engage in your emotional meltdown Kari but it is obvious to all that Moses didn't deliver the margins that he needed to in PPP strongholds.  The PPP added 30k more votes in these places. 

 

APNU added 28k more votes in Region 4, mainly Gtwn. And enjoyed a record turnout in Linden, adding 4,400 more votes.  Bartica delivered another 1300.

 

APNU AFC did NOT win on the basis of improved margins in the rural coastal areas.  It won on the basis of better margins in Georgetown and in the mining/forestry areas!

 

Kari these facts are well known and are being TALKED about!

yeah....and you have those facts and figures....mind sharing with the rest of us?

I already did.  And the facts and figures are already in the public domain.  Now if you don't wish to do the analysis feel free.  But the PPP INCREASED its margins in its strongholds, so Moses didn't deliver. Ramotar did when she engaged in the Linden Masssacre.

 

Now you can engage in a hysterical meltdown, or you can deconstruct those numbers and developed a counter point.  You aren't Nehru, but this hysterical reaction is helping your argument.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

I am not defending the leaders of the party bai. I am addressing the notion that the masses are stupid for voting PPP. No matter how much the leaders may have deviated from ideal governance, the masses are still better served by the PPP than by the PNC. Nothing in history can contest that argument.

Well the MASSES voted against the PPP TWICE.

 

Maybe  you lot will one day understand that Indians are a MINORITY in Guyana, and no longer the majority.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
are trapped by ethnic security fears and vote "safety in numbers".  The real culprits of the demise of Indians are their leaders.

Yes they are really trapped.  Stormborn has long warned about the shoe being on the other foot as the Indian population declines.  Well a massive turnout of African and mixed voters, combined with a small swing Indo vote (mainly in Gtown I suspect) was enough to slay the PPP beast.

 

Indians will remain trapped unless they figure out how to develop cross ethnic alliances.

FM

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