Sir, Moses didn't deliver 11% Indian votes. APNU, AFC or the coalition couldn't have won the election. They should thank the American that installed them into power.

Moses never promised to deliver 11% Indian votes. When you say: AFC or the coalition couldn't have won the election. It comes across that you  are acknowledging that the PPP/C rigged the election. How else can you be that cock sure?

Kari get it through your head.  Neither APNU nor the AFC won the hearts of minds of the largest ethnic group.  The PPP ran an aggressive campaign to scare up the Indian vote, and scare it up they did.  Look at the results for regions 2.3, 5 and 6 where the PPP either maintained its share of the votes (2 and 3) are INCREASED its share (5 and 6).

This election was as racially divisive as elections in Guyana have always been and your notion that the "East Indian mind" has changed and will no longer factor race, seems rather silly now.

On May 11, 2015 East Indians, Africans and mixed Guyanese voted racial panic as they always do.  Amerindians went with who they thought would be the winner.  They were wrong but Granger will now have to woo their vote to ensure victory in 2020, as the African vote is also shrinking, even if not as rapidly as the Indian vote.

The only significant factor in this election was the record voter turn out.  Not how it voted.  I really don't think that a cross over Indian vote exists outside of Region 4.  The PPP share of the votes in its heartland aligned almost exactly with the % of the population in those regions which is Indian. 

APNU and AFC cannot exist without each other, unless the AFC can find a way to interest the PPP.  If APNU goes down over the next 5 years, so will the AFC.  If it does well, then the AFC will get some credit.  I trust with the three ministries dedicated to governance issues that APNU and the AFC should get on fine......especially with so many AFC stalwarts (I assume 10 of them) now in the cabinet.

Does not matter, c00lie bury c00lie, so what's new!  Afros gon feast for next 50 years.  The 1% c00lies will feast, the rest will squirm.  Long live the PPP.  C00lies are stupid people, real stupid.

I see you call yourself stupid because at least up to May 10 you were a fervent PPP supporter.  Don't be the rat which flees the sinking ship.

Bai, black people smart no ass.  We c00lies measure "A" in math as "smart", but we book smart and street stupid.  you blacks have that balance.

Whoever said that in the 2015 elections that either APNU or the AFC won the hearts and mind of Indians?

What exactly do I have to get through my head?

Do you ever read what people post?

Read your pre election posts forecasting that East Indians will have a new voting philosophy. All due to Moses, so you said. 

Nothing new on either side.  Just far more young black men from G/town, Linden and Bartica showing up to vote.

And even here you credit the AFC for doing what APNU couldn't do.

Well where did the AFC do this.  Region 6 where 100% of the increased vote went to the PPP?

Why are you putting words in my mouth?

You saw me post that it would be a close election - like 51% to 49%. Didn't you?

How does that translate to race not being a factor? What fiction seems silly now?

I will restate what I said all along - Moses' bold coalition move was begin to rid Guyana of racial voting. Do you expect 1200% eradication of this typew of voting? No

Do you expect in the 1st election cycle for this to move significantly? No

The point is that it BEGINS a process.

It is tautological to say that neither the PPP or APNU can make this change. They ARE what needs changing.

You are disingenuous with your post here. You always look to say something contrarian or invent what was not said so you can attack it - Redux's references to strawman. Gwan suh!

Who believe Mr big mouth QC dunce.

You babble sheer sh1t.

Black people in Guyana deserve genuine kudos for their unwavering loyalty and faithfulness to the PNC.

* We know 412,012 people voted in the May 11th election.

* A fair estimate is 140,084 of those 412,012 voters or 34% were blacks.

* Guess what ?

*96% of blacks or 134,480 blacks voted for the PNC/AFC.

* That is bloody loyalty folks---kudos to the black people in Guyana.

* Only 5603 blacks in Guyana voted for the PPP.

RE: EAST INDIANS

* It is estimated that 19,034 East Indians(11% of the 173,045 Indians who voted) voted for the PNC/AFC.

*So 5603 blacks voted for the PPP while 19,034 East Indians voted for the PNC/AFC.

* But according to many GNIers---East Indians racists and blacks are are just being blacks.

BOTTOM LINE:

* If Granger were smart he would give 90+% of all the top position to blacks---after all they were loyal to the PNC.

Rev

Carib....the rest of your posts are peripheral, meaningless, and full of statistical inferences that seem to make your conclusions cogent.

What do you have to argue about this statement:

APNU could not have been leading a government without partnering with the AFC. That's a given.

If someone could engineer an AFC split where does that leave APNU? All your silly stats and inferences and who race vote who and which region retained what would be bullsh1t. The PPP wins with the coalition members split. That simple!

The AFC achieved more than its goals - get rid of the Jagdeo PPP; guaranteed more seats than was certain; got a lot of Ministries; etc. What it needs to do now is grow. Do you have a problem with that logic? Or is the minisculing of APNU bothering you? And to the extent that race boils up to the top of every response? Eh, Caribny?

Read your pre election posts forecasting that East Indians will have a new voting philosophy. All due to Moses, so you said.

This is 100% true. A new philosophy of voting doesn't mean 100% of Indians will be changing at the drop of a dime.

And Baseman....you're just a freak with your follow-up on this illusory assertion by Caribny. Are you his echo chamber now?

Because English comprehension escapes you infantile mind. You intellectual midget!

This post is about how the three parties grow from where they are. No more, no less.

APNU's goal is to win over voters it has not gotten - plain and simple. It is governing because of what the AFC brought to the table.

The PPP is still the largest party - in terms of voters, infrastructure, organization and money. It has to clean house and democratize.

The AFC has to grow and expand its identity.

Do Caribny and "Baseman have any problems with this post?  Or do they need to go on a tangent about who voted where and get into a Storm-like treatise on Guyana's voting patterns with inferences. We don't have the type of data to get into these esoteric diatribe that Base and Carib indulg in.

Kari I showed your posts on the other thread where you said only the fringe vote race.  I warned you that I would remind you of this post after the election, and of course you try to worm your own way out.

Kari while we speak there are folks in the PNC who want to know what the AFC did to deserve 40% of cabinet.  With 25 ministers I can expect this talk to intensify.

Yes you are correct.  The AFC "got a lot of ministries"  How good this over load is for Guyana will remain to be seen.

It certainly doesn't mean over 90% voting as they have for almost SIXTY years.

You showed nothing...nada....NOTHING.

So stop blabbing about what you warned about.

Show the posts about Indians not voting race in boatloads. Show me!

Only Kari will think that one can ponder the futures of these 3 parties without looking at their bases.  We know that the PPP has a base as does APNU.  We still don't know if AFC has its own base.  If they leave APNU who will they bring with them?

And Kari every one in Guyana knows that this was about race.  It doesn't matter whether 89.3% or 95.6% of Indians voted PPP.  We know that the PPP reversed its declining support and we know that the 35k more votes that they got this election vs. 2011 is way more than the number of votes which Nagamootoo took from them.

No AFC coalition APNU won't even be talking about Ministries. They'd be talking about shadow Ministries. They said half-a-loaf is better than none.

2011 elections AFC + APNU = 51%

2015 elections APNU + AFC = 51%

Caribny's conclusion - PPP raised its number of votes, ipso facto AFC lost Indian votes.

You treat statistics just like Rev.

Smart, strategy for 2020 and beyond.  First thing, get rid of the "overload", now who can argue with that...well, not even the AFC.  Take Kari though middle school on "long-game" strategy, honorable Caribj!

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

Kari like you said you don't know, because even you cannot prove that Moses wasn't a bigger gift to the PPP than he was to the coalition. 

Recall that the increased votes in Region 7 and 10 was MORE than the PPP loss.

It is indeed possible that the PPP killing people in Linden and screwing over the small miners and unleashing the Chinese on those people did more for the coalition than Moses who probably generated 2 or more votes for the PPP for each vote that he actually took from them.

Any way the AFC got 10 ministers, which means that APNU gets 15.  All in a nation where 40% of the youths are unemployed.

* Hold on there Mullah!

* That should be:

2011 APNU + AFC = 51.3%

2015 APNU + AFC = 50.3%

* Hopefully in 2020---the 1% slide will continue---and it will be APNU + AFC 49.3%hahahaha

Rev

Now, because of a few "crab c00lies" like you, Indians don't have half a loaf, like pre-1992, they will have crumbs.

You becoming as stupid as them:

2020 PNC/GDF 55%, AFC/PPP 45%.

Kari before revealing that your intellect is at the level of Nehru's why don't you look at the results for yourself and compare them with 2011? FOR EACH REGION.  We know who lives in each region, and we also know which party attracts which base.

You will discover that the PPP matched the coalition in votes generated in the coastal areas, but fell behind in Regions 7 and 10.  This because those populations are African and mixed.  APNU AFC increased its vote by over 5000 in those regions, more than the over all loss.

Kari if folks in Linden and Bartica voted as this did in 2011 the AFC would be engaged in a law suit with APNU to get their 12 seats.  If folks are wondering why Moses deserves so much when the coalition won, imagine what they would have been saying if it lost, and the pressure that would have been on Granger to give the AFC its 7 seats and wish them the best.

* You're getting overly emotional baseman.

* DIS TIME NAH LANG TIME.

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

RE: THE GDF

* Your fears are misguided.

Rev

4 sentences that sound like they were uttered by a drunken deranged mind. What the hell do they mean? Eh, Einstein?

Kari Region 2 coalition increased its votes by 1,900.  PPP did by 3,500.  Region 3 coalition up 3,600 PPP up by 6,900.  Region 5 coalition up by 1,400 PPP up by 3,100.  Region 6 coalition LOST 100 votes, PPP up by 7,100.

You know Guyana so tell me what your conclusion is.  Take into account that as the African/mixed vote increased significantly in Regions 4, 7 and 10 there is no reason why it wouldn't have also increased in other regions in Guyana.  Note that African and mixed people account for 40% of the Region 5 population.

Basically the PPP was able to use the Moses factor to gain votes in its heartland.  I can only think of that as a reason why it reversed its trend of declining votes, and added almost 30k more voters in the coastal regions than it received in 2011.  They definitely didn't get more popular in that 3 year period.

Recall that the increased votes in Region 7 and 10 was MORE than the PPP loss.

Here we go again - a load of poppycock!

Mr Rev, that's what you said when I warned you of the possibility of a PPP lost a week before May 11.  Mark my words, the PNC will never lose again, ask Caribj, he must be laughing and high "fiveing" at how stupid we c00lies are.

Kari before revealing that your intellect is at the level of Nehru's why don't you look at the results for yourself and compare them with 2011? FOR EACH REGION.  We know who lives in each region, and we also know which party attracts which base.

Here we go again with inane nonsense!

Exactly.............

Basement....the G W Bush avatar looked like constipation.

The LFSB avatar looks like sh1t-in-progress.

All you know is Sh1t!

You can engage in your emotional meltdown Kari but it is obvious to all that Moses didn't deliver the margins that he needed to in PPP strongholds.  The PPP added 30k more votes in these places. 

APNU added 28k more votes in Region 4, mainly Gtwn. And enjoyed a record turnout in Linden, adding 4,400 more votes.  Bartica delivered another 1300.

APNU AFC did NOT win on the basis of improved margins in the rural coastal areas.  It won on the basis of better margins in Georgetown and in the mining/forestry areas!

Kari these facts are well known and are being TALKED about!

Another way is saying that the black and mixed vote with the AFC got in 2011 migrates over to the APNU.  We can debate as to where the Indian segment will go.  What we do know is that by 2020 the Indian segment will be smaller than it is today.

I seriously don't know what the fate of the AFC outside of the coalition will be.  The PPP will not want them.  I have a suspicion that APNU isn't going to give up so much to the AFC in 2020.

Knew you would behave like DG even though senility isn't your excuse, so I even went ahead and broke it down for you.

So why don't you go to those numbers and prove that Moses delivered a bigger margin in Regions 2,3, 5 and 6 than APNU did in regions 7 and 10?

APNUs win in Gtown (SOUTH Gtown to be exact) was so big that I don't even know why you would dare challenge that.

Seriously you cannot prove that Moses delivered a significant Indian vote, so don't even try.  In fact his fate is now tied to Granger's.  If Granger fails the AFC is finished.

Ayuh two in USA, well PNC in power.  Live with it.  Indians in Guyana are being referred to as "coolie dags".

baseman:

* If the coalition remains intact, if they are able to make inroads into the Amerindian vote,  and if Guyana continues to progress economically and socially, then the PPP will likely remain in the wilderness for a very long time.

* But I don't share your fear that the PNC/GDF will control Guyana again.

Rev