Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Rai and many others who challenged the status quo were expelled from the PPP.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Rai and many others who challenged the status quo were expelled from the PPP.  

Bibi,

If you are related to Ralph then your family should have roots in Bel Air and DeKendren.  Is that so?

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Rai and many others who challenged the status quo were expelled from the PPP.  

Bibi, which status quo was Rai challenging? In my opinion, he needed to look at the broader issues and reacted outside of the rules established in the party of which he was a member. After, his supposed popularity among Indo Guyanese was proven to not be substantial. For me, to make matters worse, his Justice party was allegedly foreign funded. With the primary purpose of splitting the PPP votes in a critical election. That was his major mistake, in my opinion.

In 1962 Rai competed for the post of Chairman of the PPP congress. A vicious insider campaign was launched against him, similar to what we recently saw at the Central Committee selection of the Presidential candidate.  It was at This Congress Fenton Ramsahoye fiercely supported Rai.  Shortly after Rai Was expelled from the PPP.  

Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

In 1962 Rai competed for the post of Chairman of the PPP congress. A vicious insider campaign was launched against him, similar to what we recently saw at the Central Committee selection of the Presidential candidate.  It was at This Congress Fenton Ramsahoye fiercely supported Rai.  Shortly after Rai Was expelled from the PPP.  

BS Rai was not a Commie like the rest so they rigged the elections and kicked him out.

Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

In 1962 Rai competed for the post of Chairman of the PPP congress. A vicious insider campaign was launched against him, similar to what we recently saw at the Central Committee selection of the Presidential candidate.  It was at This Congress Fenton Ramsahoye fiercely supported Rai.  Shortly after Rai Was expelled from the PPP.  

BS Rai was not a Commie like the rest so they rigged the elections and kicked him out.

Sure as hell.  And history has repeated itself two more times since Rai was forced out of the PPP.

Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

This is incorrect.  Brindley Benn was the Chairman.  Not Rai.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

This is incorrect.  Brindley Benn was the Chairman.  Not Rai.

Read c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y ... very carefully ...

My statement does indicate that Balram Singh Rai was the Chairman.

It stated that Balram Singh Rai r-e-m-a-i-n-e-d in the PPP and was later expelled for his specific statement.

Bibi, my father and grandfather told me that Rai was a racist. He publicly stated that he was against Jagan lobbying for as he described then, “Blackman” Ben. Ben won the chairman and Rai was at some point in time expelled for refusing to retract his personal/racist remarks.

Rai was no saint and could have started a race war in Guyana. Good thing Cheddi kicked him out in the same manner that the PPP kicked out the Neemakharam Ralph now with his anti PPP and ANUS party.Rai went on to form his party and failed but worked with the CIA to topple the PPP.

Traitors !

 

yuji22 posted:

Bibi, my father and grandfather told me that Rai was a racist. He publicly stated that he was against Jagan lobbying for as he described then, “Blackman” Ben. Ben won the chairman and Rai was at some point in time expelled for refusing to retract his personal/racist remarks.

Rai was no saint and could have started a race war in Guyana. Good thing Cheddi kicked him out in the same manner that the PPP kicked out the Neemakharam Ralph now with his anti PPP and ANUS party.Rai went on to form his party and failed but worked with the CIA to topple the PPP.

Traitors !

 

Why did Benn resign from the PPP a few years later?

Bhai, Rai could have stood up to Burnham but he did not like Blacks and it could have caused racial disturbances. He was a bit too arrogant and should have apologised for this behaviour and remarks and could have still been in the PPP. Rai behaved as if he was above Cheddi and it brought his downfall.

Anyone has to be loyal to a party and their time will eventually come to become leader but his impatience got the better of him like Moses, Ramjattan and Ralph etc.

Zed posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Rai and many others who challenged the status quo were expelled from the PPP.  

Bibi, which status quo was Rai challenging? In my opinion, he needed to look at the broader issues and reacted outside of the rules established in the party of which he was a member. After, his supposed popularity among Indo Guyanese was proven to not be substantial. For me, to make matters worse, his Justice party was allegedly foreign funded. With the primary purpose of splitting the PPP votes in a critical election. That was his major mistake, in my opinion.

Rai, unlike other did not seek nor received foreign funding. This was the bullshit being spewed by the Jaganites and many Indians believed what the Jaganites told them. The PPP was extremely brutal towards Rai during the election campaign. As a matter of fact what happened to Indians in the past and at present was predicted by Rai during one of his campaign speeches. Rai was one of the most brilliant minds in the PPP before his expulsion. ZED, you need to be truthful in this matter. 

yuji22 posted:

Bhai, Rai could have stood up to Burnham but he did not like Blacks and it could have caused racial disturbances. He was a bit too arrogant and should have apologised for this behaviour and remarks and could have still been in the PPP. Rai behaved as if he was above Cheddi and it brought his downfall.

Anyone has to be loyal to a party and their time will eventually come to become leader but his impatience got the better of him like Moses, Ramjattan and Ralph etc.

Yuji Bhai, you are wrong on this one. The Police Force disrespected Janet Japan and even refused her order in McKenzie. They did not do this to Rai after he replaced Janet as Minister of Home Affairs. He was widely respected by Blacks and was not arrogant. The entire PPP cabinet and leadership ran away from Georgetown and left Rai alone to take care of the racial disturbances in the country. He saved the Indians and the country of more bloodshed. The Rai I knew then and the Rai I know now would never ever apologize for speaking the truth.

Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since 1955 Cheddi had no serious rivals in the PPP. No need for CC voting.

Yes he did have rivals.  

Ranji Chandsingh, the Harvard Graduate with a real certificate, and Balram Singh Rai, the University of London graduate with another real certificate were the rivals.  

Unfortunately they were never given a chance to even make it to the Central Committee.  Their wings were clipped before that.

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

He believed in fighting for the truth. Would you apologize for speaking the truth?

Gilbakka posted:
 

If Irfaan Ali is elected, he may die in office depending on PNC desperation level. 

That's what I mean by "for Life".

The only minister who has been killed while in office was killed by a private para militia connected to the PPP.

You will note that no one was arrested by Jagdeo even as he screamed that he knew who was responsible for the hit.

Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

In 1962 Rai competed for the post of Chairman of the PPP congress. A vicious insider campaign was launched against him, similar to what we recently saw at the Central Committee selection of the Presidential candidate.  It was at This Congress Fenton Ramsahoye fiercely supported Rai.  Shortly after Rai Was expelled from the PPP.  

BS Rai was not a Commie like the rest so they rigged the elections and kicked him out.

I never thought that I would agree with anything you write. But on this one I give you a high five.

Dondadda posted:
yuji22 posted:

Bhai, Rai could have stood up to Burnham but he did not like Blacks and it could have caused racial disturbances. He was a bit too arrogant and should have apologised for this behaviour and remarks and could have still been in the PPP. Rai behaved as if he was above Cheddi and it brought his downfall.

Anyone has to be loyal to a party and their time will eventually come to become leader but his impatience got the better of him like Moses, Ramjattan and Ralph etc.

Yuji Bhai, you are wrong on this one. The Police Force disrespected Janet Japan and even refused her order in McKenzie. They did not do this to Rai after he replaced Janet as Minister of Home Affairs. He was widely respected by Blacks and was not arrogant. The entire PPP cabinet and leadership ran away from Georgetown and left Rai alone to take care of the racial disturbances in the country. He saved the Indians and the country of more bloodshed. The Rai I knew then and the Rai I know now would never ever apologize for speaking the truth.

Dondadda, you have to leave these people alone.  Rai was the hero of the PPP.  But he was too smart and loyal for the Jagans. This particular incident, Cheddi ran away and Rai was the only one who remained amid severe rioting to stand up to the PNC. He secured peace on that fateful day without one drop of blood shed.  He was a man of fortitude, conviction, and honesty.  

Dondadda posted:
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

In 1962 Rai competed for the post of Chairman of the PPP congress. A vicious insider campaign was launched against him, similar to what we recently saw at the Central Committee selection of the Presidential candidate.  It was at This Congress Fenton Ramsahoye fiercely supported Rai.  Shortly after Rai Was expelled from the PPP.  

BS Rai was not a Commie like the rest so they rigged the elections and kicked him out.

I never thought that I would agree with anything you write. But on this one I give you a high five.

Ditto to that.  I am finding out little by little that Mars knows more about what goes on in the PPP than many on this site who claim to be PPP supporters.  He wrote a few things recently about what went on at the recent Central Committee.  He was dead on correct.  Mars knows somebody who knows somebody.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dondadda posted:
yuji22 posted:

Bhai, Rai could have stood up to Burnham but he did not like Blacks and it could have caused racial disturbances. He was a bit too arrogant and should have apologised for this behaviour and remarks and could have still been in the PPP. Rai behaved as if he was above Cheddi and it brought his downfall.

Anyone has to be loyal to a party and their time will eventually come to become leader but his impatience got the better of him like Moses, Ramjattan and Ralph etc.

Yuji Bhai, you are wrong on this one. The Police Force disrespected Janet Japan and even refused her order in McKenzie. They did not do this to Rai after he replaced Janet as Minister of Home Affairs. He was widely respected by Blacks and was not arrogant. The entire PPP cabinet and leadership ran away from Georgetown and left Rai alone to take care of the racial disturbances in the country. He saved the Indians and the country of more bloodshed. The Rai I knew then and the Rai I know now would never ever apologize for speaking the truth.

Dondadda, you have to leave these people alone.  Rai was the hero of the PPP.  But he was too smart and loyal for the Jagans. This particular incident, Cheddi ran away and Rai was the only one who remained amid severe rioting to stand up to the PNC. He secured peace on that fateful day without one drop of blood shed.  He was a man of fortitude, conviction, and honesty.  

Yuji doesn't really know much about anything. He just spews garbage under the misguided belief that quantity will make people think he's knowledgeable and smart.

yuji22 posted:

Bibi, my father and grandfather told me that Rai was a racist. He publicly stated that he was against Jagan lobbying for as he described then, “Blackman” Ben. Ben won the chairman and Rai was at some point in time expelled for refusing to retract his personal/racist remarks.

Rai was no saint and could have started a race war in Guyana. Good thing Cheddi kicked him out in the same manner that the PPP kicked out the Neemakharam Ralph now with his anti PPP and ANUS party.Rai went on to form his party and failed but worked with the CIA to topple the PPP.

Traitors !

 

Where did Rai state publicly that he didn’t like blackman? The only thing Jagan loved about Indians was to fool them,keep them in their place, use and abuse them and get them to vote for the PPP to achieve his communist objective. Jagan and Burnham were political buddies pre and post racial disturbances. Jagan did not find it helpful to tell your father and grandfather that his (Jagan ‘s) car was seen many midnights at Burnham residence while Indians were being slaughtered. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

If Irfaan Ali is elected, he may die in office depending on PNC desperation level. 

That's what I mean by "for Life".

The only minister who has been killed while in office was killed by a private para militia connected to the PPP.

Vincent Teekah was PNC Minister of Education when he was shot dead on October 24, 1979.

Dondadda posted:
yuji22 posted:

Bibi, my father and grandfather told me that Rai was a racist. He publicly stated that he was against Jagan lobbying for as he described then, “Blackman” Ben. Ben won the chairman and Rai was at some point in time expelled for refusing to retract his personal/racist remarks.

Rai was no saint and could have started a race war in Guyana. Good thing Cheddi kicked him out in the same manner that the PPP kicked out the Neemakharam Ralph now with his anti PPP and ANUS party.Rai went on to form his party and failed but worked with the CIA to topple the PPP.

Traitors !

 

Where did Rai state publicly that he didn’t like blackman? The only thing Jagan loved about Indians was to fool them,keep them in their place, use and abuse them and get them to vote for the PPP to achieve his communist objective. Jagan and Burnham were political buddies pre and post racial disturbances. Jagan did not find it helpful to tell your father and grandfather that his (Jagan ‘s) car was seen many midnights at Burnham residence while Indians were being slaughtered. 

 

 

 

 

Rai Publicly stated so at public meeting at No. 63 Village, Corentyne, Berbice.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How different would Roy have handled the Buxton Crisis in 2002 vs. how Jagdeo handled it?

If Rai was President there probably would not have been a Buxton crisis.  He had an imposing presence that commanded a certain respect among friends and enemies alike.  He was very well educated, not a blemish to his character, very good looking, spoke with a certain command and confidence that made the Jagans worry that too many people liked him.  As such they had to get him out of the way.  Bright, successful people don’t do well in the PPP. Ask Anil and Frank they will tell you how that works.

yuji22 posted:
Dondadda posted:
yuji22 posted:

Bibi, my father and grandfather told me that Rai was a racist. He publicly stated that he was against Jagan lobbying for as he described then, “Blackman” Ben. Ben won the chairman and Rai was at some point in time expelled for refusing to retract his personal/racist remarks.

Rai was no saint and could have started a race war in Guyana. Good thing Cheddi kicked him out in the same manner that the PPP kicked out the Neemakharam Ralph now with his anti PPP and ANUS party.Rai went on to form his party and failed but worked with the CIA to topple the PPP.

Traitors !

 

Where did Rai state publicly that he didn’t like blackman? The only thing Jagan loved about Indians was to fool them,keep them in their place, use and abuse them and get them to vote for the PPP to achieve his communist objective. Jagan and Burnham were political buddies pre and post racial disturbances. Jagan did not find it helpful to tell your father and grandfather that his (Jagan ‘s) car was seen many midnights at Burnham residence while Indians were being slaughtered. 

 

 

 

 

Rai Publicly stated so at public meeting at No. 63 Village, Corentyne, Berbice.

Rai did not have enough money to campaign all over the country. No public meeting was called or held at #63. But, let me give you the benefit of the doubt and say that there was a meeting and those words were said. Then answer me this Yuji. If Rai hated Blackman so much, why did he earn their respect everywhere, even in Buxton ? Sydney King now Eusi Kwayana will verify this. Do you think Blackman stupid?

Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

He believed in fighting for the truth. Would you apologize for speaking the truth?

Truth in reference to Rai's personal remarks on the elections ---

The elections when Brindley Benn was selected Chairman was not rigged as referenced in Balram Singh Rai's personal remarks/statement.

Bibi, I am surprised that you accuse me of lying.  I might be factually wrong or you might disagree with my opinion.

I was around at that time and can tell you from personal experience and recollection. Lots of cash for advertising, cars, motor cycles for organizers and to pay membership for people on the Essequibo Coast.  More than the UF was spending. This was not from the PPP. This is why I think that there was no possibility of reconciliation.

please do not delude yourself that Rai was the smartest one in the PPP. What of Fenton? My opinion is - that Rai got political exposure because he was in the PPP, that he thought that a Indo Guyanese will see him as their saviour, that the election result shattered his delusion.

Regarding people from the PNC respecting him. Well, tge PNC now respects Ramjattan and Moses. What does that say about who they Respect? 

Gilbakka posted:
 

The only minister who has been killed while in office was killed by a private para militia connected to the PPP.

Vincent Teekah was PNC Minister of Education when he was shot dead on October 24, 1979.

True and under the same mysterious circumstances, and yet you think that the PPP isn't capable.

I don't know what the motive for Teekah's killing but I suspect it isn't because he stood up to a criminal who wanted to destroy Guyana's image by shipping drugs in legal exports.

Demerara_Guy posted:
Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

He believed in fighting for the truth. Would you apologize for speaking the truth?

Truth in reference to Rai's personal remarks on the elections ---

The elections when Brindley Benn was selected Chairman was not rigged as referenced in Balram Singh Rai's personal remarks/statement.

It was rigged by the Jaganites and those who blindly followed him. I was there and saw it happened.

Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

He believed in fighting for the truth. Would you apologize for speaking the truth?

Truth in reference to Rai's personal remarks on the elections ---

The elections when Brindley Benn was selected Chairman was not rigged as referenced in Balram Singh Rai's personal remarks/statement.

It was rigged by the Jaganites and those who blindly followed him. I was there and saw it happened.

I, Demerara_Guy, was also there as a youth and saw the process from the general meetings, discussions and the election for Chairman.

No one could have seen fraud, deceptions or otherwise at the sessions and specifically for this discussion --- elections for Chairman.

Indeed there were strong campaigning for each of the two candidates -- Brindley Benn and Balram Singh Rai.

However, when the votes were cast and finally tallied, Brindley Benn got more votes than Balram Singh Rai.

There were dissatisfaction by many members who supported Balram Singh Rai and some left the conference with disappointment.

Of note ...

1. Balram Singh Rai lost all elections for a seat prior to joining the PPP.

2. Only when Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, that was the only times he won a seat in parliament.

3. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP, he formed the Justice Party and in the 1964 elections, he received about 1300 votes.

Demerara_Guy posted:
Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

He believed in fighting for the truth. Would you apologize for speaking the truth?

Truth in reference to Rai's personal remarks on the elections ---

The elections when Brindley Benn was selected Chairman was not rigged as referenced in Balram Singh Rai's personal remarks/statement.

It was rigged by the Jaganites and those who blindly followed him. I was there and saw it happened.

I, Demerara_Guy, was also there as a youth and saw the process from the general meetings, discussions and the election for Chairman.

No one could have seen fraud, deceptions or otherwise at the sessions and specifically for this discussion --- elections for Chairman.

Indeed there were strong campaigning for each of the two candidates -- Brindley Benn and Balram Singh Rai.

However, when the votes were cast and finally tallied, Brindley Benn got more votes than Balram Singh Rai.

There were dissatisfaction by many members who supported Balram Singh Rai and some left the conference with disappointment.

Of note ...

1. Balram Singh Rai lost all elections for a seat prior to joining the PPP.

2. Only when Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, that was the only times he won a seat in parliament.

3. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP, he formed the Justice Party and in the 1964 elections, he received about 1300 votes.

We saw things differently. Let’s agree to disagree and move on.

cain posted:

Oh rasssss two people dem were there and both saw saw things differently, hmmmm. Is sheer skvntorosty we seein here. hehehe

Not unusual. Two strangers can witness a street fight. The police arrive and question them as witnesses. Says A: "Officah, dah pink shirt banna start de fight..."

B interrupts A and says: "Yuh blind, rasta? Pink Shirt didn't start no fight. Is dis beard man who fiah de first cuff."

Who is the liar and who is the truthster?

Demerara_Guy posted:
Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Dondadda posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Balram Singh Rai left the PPP when he lost the election to be the Chairman of the PPP.

The PPP expelled Rai. Read Ralph:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i...ust=1551881672852095

Balram Singh Rai remained in the PPP after the elections for Chairman of the party, but was expelled later for refusing to retract his personal remarks/statement that the elections was rigged for the position.

He believed in fighting for the truth. Would you apologize for speaking the truth?

Truth in reference to Rai's personal remarks on the elections ---

The elections when Brindley Benn was selected Chairman was not rigged as referenced in Balram Singh Rai's personal remarks/statement.

It was rigged by the Jaganites and those who blindly followed him. I was there and saw it happened.

I, Demerara_Guy, was also there as a youth and saw the process from the general meetings, discussions and the election for Chairman.

No one could have seen fraud, deceptions or otherwise at the sessions and specifically for this discussion --- elections for Chairman.

Indeed there were strong campaigning for each of the two candidates -- Brindley Benn and Balram Singh Rai.

However, when the votes were cast and finally tallied, Brindley Benn got more votes than Balram Singh Rai.

There were dissatisfaction by many members who supported Balram Singh Rai and some left the conference with disappointment.

Of note ...

1. Balram Singh Rai lost all elections for a seat prior to joining the PPP.

2. Only when Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, that was the only times he won a seat in parliament.

3. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP, he formed the Justice Party and in the 1964 elections, he received about 1300 votes.

Balram Singh Rai never ran for elections prior to joining the PPP.  And btw, he was Cheddi’s advisor since 1947 although he was not one of the founding members of the PPP.   He was always smarter than Cheddi so Cheddi kept a tight lid on him.  Same situation with Anil is unfolding right before our very eyes.

Zed posted:

Bibi, I am surprised that you accuse me of lying.  I might be factually wrong or you might disagree with my opinion.

I was around at that time and can tell you from personal experience and recollection. Lots of cash for advertising, cars, motor cycles for organizers and to pay membership for people on the Essequibo Coast.  More than the UF was spending. This was not from the PPP. This is why I think that there was no possibility of reconciliation.

please do not delude yourself that Rai was the smartest one in the PPP. What of Fenton? My opinion is - that Rai got political exposure because he was in the PPP, that he thought that a Indo Guyanese will see him as their saviour, that the election result shattered his delusion.

Regarding people from the PNC respecting him. Well, tge PNC now respects Ramjattan and Moses. What does that say about who they Respect? 

Clearly the two of us are having two different conversations.  And the PNC have no respect whatsoever for Moses and Ramjattan that is why they were used and abused.  Rai did not join the PNC.  He was cut from a different cloth. He walked away from the corruption.  He is almost 98 years young now living in London.  His partners Eusi Kwayana and Ashton Chase are also in their 90s and going strong.  They don’t make men like those anymore.  

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