The bullying tactics have returned

The bullying tactics have returned

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The year has ended with a brutal awakening, not just for the People’s Progressive Party but also for all those who have leases issued by the government.
Earlier this year some farmers who won their case against the government had their leases revoked. Now it is revoking of a lease to Red House based on an opinion and not a legal decision.
For those who feel that the decision to revoke the lease is a case of correcting a wrong, then they are wrong.
The APNU+AFC government needed space for an expanded presidential bureaucracy. A foray to relocate and occupy the Walter Roth Museum was rebuffed by loud protests.
An alternative had to be found to house presidential staffers. There were not many locations available. Red House became a prime alternative to house the National Trust which had been asked to leave its headquarters on Carmichael Street so as to make way for a presidential media outfit which is doing work which could have been easily done by the Department of Public Information or the Government Information Agency (GINA).
Red House was the perfect choice. It would solve the dilemma caused by the rebuffing by the Walter Roth Museum and it would at the same time kick the PPP and Jagan’s papers out of a building which was the first home occupied by the late Premier and President of Guyana during the tumultuous years leading to Guyana’ s Independence.
The PPP contributed to the present dilemma it finds itself in. It granted itself, virtually, a token rental for the lease of the Red House. It is not clear whether the company which was granted the lease had the responsibility to maintain the building during the period of the lease. If that were the case then the low lease fees may be justified.
There were negotiations on this issue before. The negotiations were about catering for other Presidents papers. The negotiations should have been about increasing the lease fees. The PPP would have consented, most likely, to that request. But the original plan was about the building being used as an archive and research center for Jagan’s papers.
Then the quest for additional office space emerged following the rebuff by the Walter Roth Museum. The PPP was asked to remove by the end of Old Year’s Day. They took the matter to the courts and a hearing is due in February.
This may explain why persons believed to be from the government wanted to take over the facility one day before the time the government gave the PPP was up. The government is afraid of being prevented, by the courts from assuming immediate possession. It is afraid that it may lose the case. It is frightened that its legal arguments may be as fragile as some of the old archival material stored in Red House which now has to be hurriedly crated for removal.
Even if the PPP says that it is not moving until the court hearing, it is the government which gave the PPP until old year’s night to remove, one of the shortest eviction notices ever, a mere two days. How can all that material be removed in such a short period?
The old bullying tactics have been resorted to. The leopard has not lost its stripes. Guyanese should beware that is how Burnham started his descent into authoritarianism.

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 What is ominous is the head of the public service, Mr Harmon, could be a law unto himself. Placing a politician to head the public service was Granger's original sin. He should have taken the example of Hoyte and place a non-politician to head the public service. Harmon must not be sending people to bully anyone. Let the courts and police deal with the matter. I see some PNC supporters are jumping for joy without seeing the irony and danger.

 
TK posted:

 What is ominous is the head of the public service, Mr Harmon, could be a law unto himself. Placing a politician to head the public service was Granger's original sin. He should have taken the example of Hoyte and place a non-politician to head the public service. Harmon must not be sending people to bully anyone. Let the courts and police deal with the matter. I see some PNC supporters are jumping for joy without seeing the irony and danger.

 

I do not understand the logic of having the Minister of Social Protection staging a counter protest next to the PPP protesters. This smacks of unprofessionalism and bullyism.

VishMahabir posted:
TK posted:

 What is ominous is the head of the public service, Mr Harmon, could be a law unto himself. Placing a politician to head the public service was Granger's original sin. He should have taken the example of Hoyte and place a non-politician to head the public service. Harmon must not be sending people to bully anyone. Let the courts and police deal with the matter. I see some PNC supporters are jumping for joy without seeing the irony and danger.

 

I do not understand the logic of having the Minister of Social Protection staging a counter protest next to the PPP protesters. This smacks of unprofessionalism and bullyism.

I agree. She should be disciplined. Has no right being there.

Django posted:

I saw some videos on FB,very unpleasant scene,portrays a turf war between Indos and Afros,Guyanese politicians are at the bottom of the ladder.

Battle for the survival of the fittest. Coolies will not just sit down and be bullied anymore. I hope they fight fire with fire. Their survival is at stake.

(Above): The sign board which lay at the southern side of the building after it was torn down.
(Below): DEFIANCE: Staff of the Cheddi Jagan Research Centre remounted the sign board of the centre which was torn down yesterday by staff of the Ministry of the Presidency.

QUOTE: "Guyanese should beware that is how Burnham started his descent into authoritarianism."

Wake up, Django. Gilbakka already wake up with a jolt. As I love to say, coming events cast their shadows beforehand. I see darkness ahead over Guyana. The APNU+AFC regime has made a series of indefensible moves since its accession to power 19 months ago. Worse is progressing to worst. Those of us who have supported the Coalition and who have a Conscience MUST STAND UP and let the Coalition know that we refuse to rubber-stamp their actions. And we reserve the right to walk away from the Coalition as I did yesterday December 30. 

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

I saw some videos on FB,very unpleasant scene,portrays a turf war between Indos and Afros,Guyanese politicians are at the bottom of the ladder.

Battle for the survival of the fittest. Coolies will not just sit down and be bullied anymore. I hope they fight fire with fire. Their survival is at stake.

Different era bhai,

this generation of Indos got power they stand up for their rights,not like kabaka time when you were falsely charged for arms.

I hope the 60's don't return it will be catastrophic on both sides,the politicians have to be cautious,they have to avoid inciting the people.

Mitwah posted:

(Above): The sign board which lay at the southern side of the building after it was torn down.
(Below): DEFIANCE: Staff of the Cheddi Jagan Research Centre remounted the sign board of the centre which was torn down yesterday by staff of the Ministry of the Presidency.

We have seen that kind of bullyism before. It was even there during the PPP rule when the PNC leadership and supporters went around with their mo fiah slo fiah threats and riots.

TK posted:
Django posted:

I saw some videos on FB,very unpleasant scene,portrays a turf war between Indos and Afros,Guyanese politicians are at the bottom of the ladder.

Django...could you post videos here?

I try to,

difficult to find with with all the post i am getting,

i will give a shot later.

Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

Moses don't have no balls to stand up to anyone.

ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

Moses don't have no balls to stand up to anyone.

How about Volda Lawrence? What her size? Your statement is sexist.

Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

It can't be done like that. Moses and Khemraj made major mistakes by not continually consulting their core supporters.

Gilbakka posted:

QUOTE: "Guyanese should beware that is how Burnham started his descent into authoritarianism."

Wake up, Django. Gilbakka already wake up with a jolt. As I love to say, coming events cast their shadows beforehand. I see darkness ahead over Guyana. The APNU+AFC regime has made a series of indefensible moves since its accession to power 19 months ago. Worse is progressing to worst. Those of us who have supported the Coalition and who have a Conscience MUST STAND UP and let the Coalition know that we refuse to rubber-stamp their actions. And we reserve the right to walk away from the Coalition as I did yesterday December 30. 

Gilly,

I have bro,after observing the events unfolded with Red House debacle,

my greatest concern is for the people,distrust is alive between the two major races.

The PNC and PPP are no good for Guyana,that country is doomed with the two party around.

TK posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

It can't be done like that. Moses and Khemraj made major mistakes by not continually consulting their core supporters.

True. I see the disenchantment here in TO among their supporters. Some are suggesting they cross the floor if that's possible.

Mitwah posted:
TK posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

It can't be done like that. Moses and Khemraj made major mistakes by not continually consulting their core supporters.

True. I see the disenchantment here in TO among their supporters. Some are suggesting they cross the floor if that's possible.

They will have to have consultations with all members,if that happens surely it will put a brake on the PNC lawlessness.

Moses Nagamootoo and Khemraj Ramjattan have important choices to make. They can bury their heads in the sand and believe everything is hunky-dory. Or they can listen to the misgivings, questions and cries of AFC members and supporters, failing which the AFC will become DEAD MEAT to be devoured by the jackals of history.

Gilbakka posted:

Moses Nagamootoo and Khemraj Ramjattan have important choices to make. They can bury their heads in the sand and believe everything is hunky-dory. Or they can listen to the misgivings, questions and cries of AFC members and supporters, failing which the AFC will become DEAD MEAT to be devoured by the jackals of history.

I know some of you are Moses followers.  That man is a Neemakharam he will not cross the floor.  He is a follower not a leader.

I don't think AFC will do anything, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 

Why wait for the termination of the lease to judge the coalition. From day one when they took 50% raise, choose not to help the rice and sugar industry, is the straw that breaks the camel back.We in N/A and else where will have to apply pressure. This coalition has taken a Military/Racist route, the people of Guyana cannot wait three more years to suffer.

VVP posted:
 
 

I know some of you are Moses followers.  That man is a Neemakharam he will not cross the floor.  He is a follower not a leader.

I don't think AFC will do anything, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 

LOL! you are contradicting yourself.

TK posted:

 What is ominous is the head of the public service, Mr Harmon, could be a law unto himself. Placing a politician to head the public service was Granger's original sin. He should have taken the example of Hoyte and place a non-politician to head the public service. Harmon must not be sending people to bully anyone. Let the courts and police deal with the matter. I see some PNC supporters are jumping for joy without seeing the irony and danger.

 

Most of them are BRAIN DEAD IDIOTS, you should not be surprise.

Mitwah posted:
VVP posted:
 
 

I know some of you are Moses followers.  That man is a Neemakharam he will not cross the floor.  He is a follower not a leader.

I don't think AFC will do anything, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 

LOL! you are contradicting yourself.

I think it was you who said, Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

That's what I meant, breaking from the coalition would be akin to crossing the floor because if they do break away there will be a vote of no confidence in parliament.  Not sure where is the contradiction.

The PNC/AFC have finally fulfilled their promise of retrieving state assets stolen by the PPP. The Red House is their first of many state assets stolen that will be returned to the Guyanese people. Next up will be the Sanata textile complex given away to Bobby. Go Granger!

VVP posted:
Mitwah posted:
VVP posted:
 
 

I know some of you are Moses followers.  That man is a Neemakharam he will not cross the floor.  He is a follower not a leader.

I don't think AFC will do anything, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 

LOL! you are contradicting yourself.

I think it was you who said, Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

That's what I meant, breaking from the coalition would be akin to crossing the floor because if they do break away there will be a vote of no confidence in parliament.  Not sure where is the contradiction.

You used the word "not." नमक हराम namak haram means disloyal. If "he will not cross the floor" as you said, then he is loyal. Samjhe?

Mitwah posted:
VVP posted:
Mitwah posted:
VVP posted:
 
 

I know some of you are Moses followers.  That man is a Neemakharam he will not cross the floor.  He is a follower not a leader.

I don't think AFC will do anything, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 

LOL! you are contradicting yourself.

I think it was you who said, Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

That's what I meant, breaking from the coalition would be akin to crossing the floor because if they do break away there will be a vote of no confidence in parliament.  Not sure where is the contradiction.

You used the word "not." नमक हराम namak haram means disloyal. If "he will not cross the floor" as you said, then he is loyal. Samjhe?

I said Neemakharam not namak haram.

Ask Nehru Neemakharam means crabdaag.

So my sentence is: That man is a Crabdaag he will not cross the floor 

Gilbakka posted:

Moses Nagamootoo and Khemraj Ramjattan have important choices to make. They can bury their heads in the sand and believe everything is hunky-dory. Or they can listen to the misgivings, questions and cries of AFC members and supporters, failing which the AFC will become DEAD MEAT to be devoured by the jackals of history.

I get the impression they are into it for the personal benefits and prestige than to leave a great legacy. Both can be achieved together. They alienated all the second-tier guys who supported them and wrote to support them. They underestimate how important these things are. They should have kept the party structure. That intellectual support could only win them respect in cabinet meetings.

Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed.

Granger is stubborn, but passive aggressive.  Look to Harmon to see the true cause of the problem.

But then docility is the nature of the Guyanese, in addition to being opportunistic.  APNU AFC will do as much as the population allows them to do.  If the population doesn't like it they need to stand up to it.  If they allow it, then obviously they aren't bothered by it.

By the way the PPP screams are silly when it is known that they were bullies who resorted to violence against the few bold enough to speak against them. Freddie K, Eric Phillips, David Hinds and others can fill in the gaps.

This is why opposition to APNU tactics must come from civic society. People who aren't blemished by the bullyism which was a defining aspect of he Jagdeo era.

Caribj, your analogy doesn't hold water. The Red House is a sacred institution like Burnham's house. Granger is flexing his muscle by not using the court system and following blindly  Soft Willie advice. What was that ghetto Volda Lawrence trying to prove?

Mitwah posted:

Why a candlelight vigil by the PPP/C last evening attracted a counter-protest led by Minister of Social Protection Volda Lawrence?

This is a dangerous situation. It seems like Burnham days are back.

Why would a Minister. a paid public servant, Volda Lawrence be allowed to counter-protest or even protest it's people. Absolute Dictatorship.

VVP posted:
Mitwah posted:
VVP posted:
Mitwah posted:
VVP posted:
 
 

I know some of you are Moses followers.  That man is a Neemakharam he will not cross the floor.  He is a follower not a leader.

I don't think AFC will do anything, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 

LOL! you are contradicting yourself.

I think it was you who said, Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

That's what I meant, breaking from the coalition would be akin to crossing the floor because if they do break away there will be a vote of no confidence in parliament.  Not sure where is the contradiction.

You used the word "not." नमक हराम namak haram means disloyal. If "he will not cross the floor" as you said, then he is loyal. Samjhe?

I said Neemakharam not namak haram.

Ask Nehru Neemakharam means crabdaag.

So my sentence is: That man is a Crabdaag he will not cross the floor 

Hear nuh,  the hindi word for Crabdaag is रकून "rakoon" .  Pt. Nehru speaks bhojanpuri hindi.

Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

Mits, you taking a bold stand here.

Just wondering...Would you have a problem if the material for ALL previous Presidents were housed in the Red House? 

Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

Moses don't have no balls to stand up to anyone.

How about Volda Lawrence? What her size? Your statement is sexist.

Looks like Volda's balls are bigger than Moses and Ramjattan put together.

VishMahabir posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

Mits, you taking a bold stand here.

Just wondering...Would you have a problem if the material for ALL previous Presidents were housed in the Red House? 

Perhaps they should be housed in their respective residences if possible and their homes be declared as museums as I have seen over the past 20 years visiting the 7 continents of the world.

Mitwah posted:

Caribj, your analogy doesn't hold water. The Red House is a sacred institution like Burnham's house.

I don't consider Burnham's house to be sacred, and I certainly don't consider Jagan's.   It is when those two monsters took control of Guyana that we began to fall behind the rest of the Caribbean. I am perplexed that so many Guyanese bow down and worship these two charlatans.

Gilbakka posted:

AFC will become DEAD MEAT to be devoured by the jackals of history.

I thought that it was a known fact since the election last year that the AFC had lost its rural Indian support base.

In fact when the AFC had campaign events APNU had to truck in their supporters to fill out the crowds. We saw the spectacle of majority black crowds in majority Indian areas when the AFC had rallies.

This point was noted since the aftermath of the election.  

The AFC was never able to transition itself beyond being a mere receptacle for disillusioned supporters of the two major parties, and the remnants of the WPA support base.

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed.

Granger is stubborn, but passive aggressive.  Look to Harmon to see the true cause of the problem.

But then docility is the nature of the Guyanese, in addition to being opportunistic.  APNU AFC will do as much as the population allows them to do.  If the population doesn't like it they need to stand up to it.  If they allow it, then obviously they aren't bothered by it.

By the way the PPP screams are silly when it is known that they were bullies who resorted to violence against the few bold enough to speak against them. Freddie K, Eric Phillips, David Hinds and others can fill in the gaps.

This is why opposition to APNU tactics must come from civic society. People who aren't blemished by the bullyism which was a defining aspect of he Jagdeo era.

Knucklkehead,

What is the point to this missive of yours? When was civil society able to effectuate serious change in society?. It seems clear to many non-PNC supporters that Granger either wants to destroy Jagan's legacy or he is being pressured by the Burnhamite elements in his party to do so. Any how you slice this, it is a reflection of an attempt to delegetimize Jagan's legacy and humiliate Indians who support the PPP. 

The reason why this is happening is because Indians are not willing to resort to an aggressive approach (unlike PNC supporters who terrorize people on Regent street during election)and take to the streets or based their actions on the Rodney notion of "by any means necessary". In large part the PPP is responsible for keeping the Indian population docile. The PNC know this and this is why they can be so bold to take such blatant actions geared towards humiliating the PPP.

It is clear that YOU also understand very well the docility of these Indians. Harping on what Jagdeo did while in office and continuously resorting to that experience is simply an attempt to cloud this issue here...something you know how to do very well...aside from referring to your fellow countrymen by various pejoratives.

The excesses of the PNC and coalition can END easily (not with civil society) but if the AFC members of Parliament comes to their senses and give critical support to the coalition. 

But, I can say this with frankness, given the history of the PNC: this will not deter them from making Indians second class citizens in their own country, and the slide towards Burnhamism will continue.

So lets see if you can respond to this without your usual name calling.

VishMahabir posted:

But, I can say this with frankness, given the history of the PNC: this will not deter them from making Indians second class citizens in their own country, and the slide towards Burnhamism will continue.

Quite a strong statement Vish.

Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

But, I can say this with frankness, given the history of the PNC: this will not deter them from making Indians second class citizens in their own country, and the slide towards Burnhamism will continue.

Quite a strong statement Vish.

If its possible for them not to have majority parliamentary control, if they lose support from the AFC, they will have to resort to extra-legal means of fostering their agenda. 

In addition, and we have history as a guide, the PNC will not allow the PPP or an Indian-led government to rule Guyana.

Our salvation lies in a new generation of Guyanese who do not see race as a weapon to be used against their fellow countrymen....unfortunately this scenario is not in sight, and these incidents only further divide the Guyanese people.

VishMahabir posted:
 

Knucklkehead,

What is the point to this missive of yours? When was civil society able to effectuate serious change in society?.

Such a true Guyanese statement. We expect politicians to change their stripes when we have seen 60 years of their exploitation of the weaknesses of Guyanese.

I repeat. APNU AFC could and should continue to bully because the silence of the Guyanese population at large suggests that they don't care.

And we have learned over the past 60 years that it isn't only Indians who suffered PNC bullyism or blacks who suffered PPP greed and abuse.

The notion that Indians must protect the PPP or blacks must protect the PNC is a joke, given that the benefits were and are confined to the elites.

So let the two bullies fight each other, and destroy Guyana in the process. Let Venezuela and Suriname snatch what they claim and give the rest to Brazil.

And by the way did your average Indian benefit so much from Jagdeo?  Why then did so many flee to the rest of the Caribbean. Board any LIAT flight and it will shock you to see how many live in some of the smallest islands, most arriving after 2000. Barbados is packed to the rafters with them.

The notion that Indians should "defend" Jagdeo's legacy! Why when it only benefitted a few of them.  This is as silly as those who claim that blacks must protect Burnham's legacy!

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:

Caribj, your analogy doesn't hold water. The Red House is a sacred institution like Burnham's house.

I don't consider Burnham's house to be sacred, and I certainly don't consider Jagan's.   It is when those two monsters took control of Guyana that we began to fall behind the rest of the Caribbean. I am perplexed that so many Guyanese bow down and worship these two charlatans.

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Mitwah posted:
 

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Why not we preserve and give reverence to two failed politicians who made Guyana the poor house and the laughing stock of the Caribbean.

Where people from Nevis, tired of their primary schools being over run by Guyanese kids, asking "how come you all Guyanese have so much gold and let all of you are over here in Nevis?" 

And yes I did read some where that the gov't of Nevis is being overburdened with the task of educating the kids of immigrants from Guyana and the DR. The DR immigrants being the descendants of Nevisians who migrated there 100 years ago, so having some entitlement to be there.  So the ire being directed towards the Guyanese.

So build huge monuments to celebrate Jagan and Burnham for the feat that the accomplished. Turning Guyanese into refugees showing up in overcrowded islands where they aren't wanted. 

You will note that prior to these "gentlemen" rising to the helm Caribbean people migrated TO Guyana!

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Why not we preserve and give reverence to two failed politicians who made Guyana the poor house and the laughing stock of the Caribbean.

Where people from Nevis, tired of their primary schools being over run by Guyanese kids, asking "how come you all Guyanese have so much gold and let all of you are over here in Nevis?" 

And yes I did read some where that the gov't of Nevis is being overburdened with the task of educating the kids of immigrants from Guyana and the DR. The DR immigrants being the descendants of Nevisians who migrated there 100 years ago, so having some entitlement to be there.  So the ire being directed towards the Guyanese.

So build huge monuments to celebrate Jagan and Burnham for the feat that the accomplished. Turning Guyanese into refugees showing up in overcrowded islands where they aren't wanted. 

You will note that prior to these "gentlemen" rising to the helm Caribbean people migrated TO Guyana!

I like the idea of a Presidential museum for ALL Presidents. 

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Why not we preserve and give reverence to two failed politicians who made Guyana the poor house and the laughing stock of the Caribbean.

Where people from Nevis, tired of their primary schools being over run by Guyanese kids, asking "how come you all Guyanese have so much gold and let all of you are over here in Nevis?" 

And yes I did read some where that the gov't of Nevis is being overburdened with the task of educating the kids of immigrants from Guyana and the DR. The DR immigrants being the descendants of Nevisians who migrated there 100 years ago, so having some entitlement to be there.  So the ire being directed towards the Guyanese.

So build huge monuments to celebrate Jagan and Burnham for the feat that the accomplished. Turning Guyanese into refugees showing up in overcrowded islands where they aren't wanted. 

You will note that prior to these "gentlemen" rising to the helm Caribbean people migrated TO Guyana!

Your verbal diarrhea is like a soft willy.  It's not germane to the topic.

ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed. Moses and Prak should threaten to withhold any critical support or to break away from the coalition.

No more critical support from me to this coalition. This lease now. What's next.

Moses don't have no balls to stand up to anyone.

Never had,lost it since he was a small boy playing litti.He is now dancing the Congo line and counting the number of Johnny walker he has left till the day of reckoning comes,the day coming soon when he will be hoisted out of the PM residence along with his remaining rum bottles.

Negromottoo and Rumjattan,worthless,shameless and useless hustlers.

Granger an inept soldier couldnt make the grade to corporal in a proper army,reason why he was selected by Burnham.Never bright.Harmon was a thug since the days of working as a clerk at JP Santos and came into his own as a super henchman and king of thugs in the GDF.All dunces and hustlers.

Jagdeo a poor boy from the East Coast who has led a dysfunctional PPP to its demise.He and his cabal of rural hustlers took over the reigns of a once efficient party machinery and destroyed it.He became the picture of a typical African dictator,give jobs to your matty and families,tief as much as possible and stash it away in foreign banks.His follower mostly business people from the rural areas came to Georgetown with their corrupt practices,crass,ill-mannered ,crude and behavior not suited to an urban environment.Didnt matter how rich they were,how many cars or women they had,they were doomed to be describes as coolie from country.

Jagdeo caused the other races to disrespect the East Indian because he didnt control the wrongs perpetrated by himseld and his regional representatives-all corrupt and thieves.

Time for the PPP to change,elect a new leader.Despite the disfunctional government of the APNU/AFC providing an opportunity for the PPP to win the next elections with Jagdeo  as leader of the PPP the for sure they will lose.

Time for a change Jagdeo must vacate his position as leader of the PPP.Not only Jagdeo but all the members of his cabal -all are a drag on the forward progress of the PPP.

Get Jagdeo and his chosen boys,his cabal out of the PPP.There is a need for a fresh start with new more democratic and progressive blood.

 

Mitwah posted:

Caribj, your analogy doesn't hold water. The Red House is a sacred institution like Burnham's house. Granger is flexing his muscle by not using the court system and following blindly  Soft Willie advice. What was that ghetto Volda Lawrence trying to prove?

Vulva Lawrence was playing with her vulva.

Mitwah posted:
caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Why not we preserve and give reverence to two failed politicians who made Guyana the poor house and the laughing stock of the Caribbean.

Where people from Nevis, tired of their primary schools being over run by Guyanese kids, asking "how come you all Guyanese have so much gold and let all of you are over here in Nevis?" 

And yes I did read some where that the gov't of Nevis is being overburdened with the task of educating the kids of immigrants from Guyana and the DR. The DR immigrants being the descendants of Nevisians who migrated there 100 years ago, so having some entitlement to be there.  So the ire being directed towards the Guyanese.

So build huge monuments to celebrate Jagan and Burnham for the feat that the accomplished. Turning Guyanese into refugees showing up in overcrowded islands where they aren't wanted. 

You will note that prior to these "gentlemen" rising to the helm Caribbean people migrated TO Guyana!

Your verbal diarrhea is like a soft willy.  It's not germane to the topic.

I am following Dnayael.

I am gone. Really wasting time with the likes of you all.

Seriously!

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Why not we preserve and give reverence to two failed politicians who made Guyana the poor house and the laughing stock of the Caribbean.

Where people from Nevis, tired of their primary schools being over run by Guyanese kids, asking "how come you all Guyanese have so much gold and let all of you are over here in Nevis?" 

And yes I did read some where that the gov't of Nevis is being overburdened with the task of educating the kids of immigrants from Guyana and the DR. The DR immigrants being the descendants of Nevisians who migrated there 100 years ago, so having some entitlement to be there.  So the ire being directed towards the Guyanese.

So build huge monuments to celebrate Jagan and Burnham for the feat that the accomplished. Turning Guyanese into refugees showing up in overcrowded islands where they aren't wanted. 

You will note that prior to these "gentlemen" rising to the helm Caribbean people migrated TO Guyana!

Your verbal diarrhea is like a soft willy.  It's not germane to the topic.

I am following Dnayael.

I am gone. Really wasting time with the likes of you all.

Seriously!

You crossed the boundaries. You should have the decency to apologise.

Why do people delude themselves by thinking their presence here is a benefit to someone else? Why do people treat this place like it is some higher institute of learning and get disappointed or upset when others don't confer to their specifications? This is where we lime and the time we spend here is of our own choice. No one else owe anyone anything for being here. I am just saying.

TK posted:

 What is ominous is the head of the public service, Mr Harmon, could be a law unto himself. Placing a politician to head the public service was Granger's original sin. He should have taken the example of Hoyte and place a non-politician to head the public service. Harmon must not be sending people to bully anyone. Let the courts and police deal with the matter. I see some PNC supporters are jumping for joy without seeing the irony and danger.

 

Donkey cart economy TK and the Afc gang of fools continue to live in denial. It is the complete gang from head to toes that is anti-koolie. It is the ideology that rules the gang. Ham Greene is the ideological godfather of this anti-koolie racist gang.

 

 

 

 

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

More reasons why they should become museums for future generations to see and learn  not to make the  same mistakes.  What we are seeing here is Burnhamism  being played allover again.  Why is Granger not using the courts but rather flexing his muscles?

Why not we preserve and give reverence to two failed politicians who made Guyana the poor house and the laughing stock of the Caribbean.

Where people from Nevis, tired of their primary schools being over run by Guyanese kids, asking "how come you all Guyanese have so much gold and let all of you are over here in Nevis?" 

And yes I did read some where that the gov't of Nevis is being overburdened with the task of educating the kids of immigrants from Guyana and the DR. The DR immigrants being the descendants of Nevisians who migrated there 100 years ago, so having some entitlement to be there.  So the ire being directed towards the Guyanese.

So build huge monuments to celebrate Jagan and Burnham for the feat that the accomplished. Turning Guyanese into refugees showing up in overcrowded islands where they aren't wanted. 

You will note that prior to these "gentlemen" rising to the helm Caribbean people migrated TO Guyana!

Your verbal diarrhea is like a soft willy.  It's not germane to the topic.

I am following Dnayael.

I am gone. Really wasting time with the likes of you all.

Seriously!

See what I said about accountability.  The PNC crew are all running for the hills.  They have all done their dirty work.  Guyana is on the doomsday train to nowhere and their heads are hung in shame.  When the PPP was in power they were out in full force cussing Jagdeo. They all knew who thief and who didn't thief.  They should stay and cuss Granger.  At least a few of them admitted their mistakes.  Hatred and jealousy is a bad thing people.

Gilbakka posted:

QUOTE: "Guyanese should beware that is how Burnham started his descent into authoritarianism."

Wake up, Django. Gilbakka already wake up with a jolt. As I love to say, coming events cast their shadows beforehand. I see darkness ahead over Guyana. The APNU+AFC regime has made a series of indefensible moves since its accession to power 19 months ago. Worse is progressing to worst. Those of us who have supported the Coalition and who have a Conscience MUST STAND UP and let the Coalition know that we refuse to rubber-stamp their actions. And we reserve the right to walk away from the Coalition as I did yesterday December 30. 

And I deeply respect that!

Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

But, I can say this with frankness, given the history of the PNC: this will not deter them from making Indians second class citizens in their own country, and the slide towards Burnhamism will continue.

Quite a strong statement Vish.

During the campaign this was a point I always raised and why, with their shortcoming, I stuck with the PPP.  All the fools and clowns who ran and cozy up to the PNC were making a huge mistake.  I said the AFC will not be able to hold back the PNC Burnhamite class.  I never trusted Granger, he was a smiling snake, a racist who make give you katahars a fool-good factor built on pretense.

Those Indians who helped bury their own in Guyana should never be welcomed.  The TK's Mitwahs, Kishanbs, Djanngo, Gilbaka and those myopic selfish fools whose only agenda was "seeing the back of BJ" (VVP included) are all traitors to Indians.

So stop your lamenting you fools, grow some balls, go and join the protests.  TK, go run and beg massa Granger, you were proud to go and suck up to him.  Now is your chance to redeem yourself and take Horseman and the rest of the jokers with you.

Gilly wake you, for a big man you are juvenile and speak with forked a tongue.  The PNC don't give one damn about if they walk. The PNC already has the machinery to mitigate the AFC, they no longer need them.  They (you all) have been used, "F'd and chucked", as some would say.  The AFC is now a laid-out hen, no more value, just a headless smelly old wet fowl.  Stop making jackasses of yourselves!!

There is NOTHING any of you can do, the PNC and their constituency have it all in their hands and the have the mother of all enforcers (GDF) to do it.  The blood and tears of Indians will be shed by the Indians in Guyana, not you dunce fools, jokers and jackasses in North America prancing in concerns of falsehood.

D2 left GNI because "mission accomplished".  Expect Caribj to do the same.  They will leave the loyalist like baseman to fight with you coolie katahars traitors while they laugh all the way into Govt for the next 50 years, or Until Venezuela ride to the rescue!

Indians in Guyana are an extinct constituency!

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:

Your verbal diarrhea is like a soft willy.  It's not germane to the topic.

I am following Dnayael.

I am gone. Really wasting time with the likes of you all.

Seriously!

Correct, as I said Mission accomplished.  I don't blame you, you spoke and fought for you people.  It's the coolie traitors who are to blame for the tears of Indians.  Good luck, I'm sure we will see your name somewhere!

caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

Why do people delude themselves by thinking their presence here is a benefit to someone else?

OK then. continue to post here in this racist cesspit.

No more Caribj to bother you.

BYE.

I come and go freely my friend. Sometimes I am gone for days. Other times, I am here 24/7. GNI is where I hang out when I wish and the administrators have been very generous to me in this regard. Anyway, best wishes.

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:

Granger dictatorial nature has been revealed.

Granger is stubborn, but passive aggressive.  Look to Harmon to see the true cause of the problem.

But then docility is the nature of the Guyanese, in addition to being opportunistic.  APNU AFC will do as much as the population allows them to do.  If the population doesn't like it they need to stand up to it.  If they allow it, then obviously they aren't bothered by it.

 

 

Guys, pay attention to what Caribj is saying.   Harmon is the real culprit. Granger is there for the pay and the pension.

Civic society needs to be mobilised against this bully.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
 

See what I said about accountability.  The PNC crew are all running for the hills.  They have all done their dirty work.  Guyana is on the doomsday train to nowhere and their heads are hung in shame.  When the PPP was in power they were out in full force cussing Jagdeo. They all knew who thief and who didn't thief.  They should stay and cuss Granger.  At least a few of them admitted their mistakes.  Hatred and jealousy is a bad thing people.

Jagdeo was a bully and he pissed off a lot of people. So don't go knocking us for taking  a stand against these bullies. The PPP/C need someone else other than Jagdeo to carry the fight; Civil Society needs to be mobilised to fight these new Dictators. The real culprit is Harmon. Granger is there for the term.

Mitwah posted:
 

Jagdeo was a bully and he pissed off a lot of people. So don't go knocking us for taking  a stand against these bullies. The PPP/C need someone else other than Jagdeo to carry the fight; Civil Society needs to be mobilised to fight these new Dictators. The real culprit is Harmon. Granger is there for the term.

Unfortunately, until Jagdeo became the PPP leader, the PPP was basically impotent and being pushed around by the PNC. It was because of Jagdeo that the PNC bullying ways was somewhat tempered. The crime wave before Roger Khan's intervention would have wiped out a lot of citizen confidence and business activities. Dire consequence demanded a strong and resolute leader and Jagdeo provided that. Jagdeo left and the Opposition bullied Ramotar. Jagdeo came back and told them to their face that he is not afraid of them. Those are powerful words because the PNC and their supporters were placed on notice that they are dealing with a leader who they cannot bully. Nothing stops a bully in their tracks faster than one standing up to them and that is what Jagdeo does. Even from the Opposition bench. And he isn't making any 'mo fiah slo fiah' threats like those PNC dudes. Unfortunately Guyanese in May 2015 bet on their demise.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Why is Harmon the real culprit?  Because he has Moses and Rumjhaat firmly stamped under his GDF boot?  You all pushed Granger in there to rule Guyana, knowing fully well what the ramifications will be.  You should be celebrating!  Your Mission is Accomplished!  

Jagdeo and his band of crooks were to avaricious. They thought that they would rule for life. Neither the PPP nor the PNC are fit to rule Guyana.

Mitwah posted:

 

The real culprit is Harmon. Granger is there for the term.

Looks like something was overlooked during the signing of the Cummingsburg Accord. Inexcusable given that both Nagamootoo and Ramjattan are lawyers. Lawyers are supposed to recognize 'is' and 'ts' even if they are not dotted or crossed.

ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

Jagdeo was a bully and he pissed off a lot of people. So don't go knocking us for taking  a stand against these bullies. The PPP/C need someone else other than Jagdeo to carry the fight; Civil Society needs to be mobilised to fight these new Dictators. The real culprit is Harmon. Granger is there for the term.

Unfortunately, until Jagdeo became the PPP leader, the PPP was basically impotent and being pushed around by the PNC. It was because of Jagdeo that the PNC bullying ways was somewhat tempered. The crime wave before Roger Khan's intervention would have wiped out a lot of citizen confidence and business activities. Dire consequence demanded a strong and resolute leader and Jagdeo provided that. Jagdeo left and the Opposition bullied Ramotar. Jagdeo came back and told them to their face that he is not afraid of them. Those are powerful words because the PNC and their supporters were placed on notice that they are dealing with a leader who they cannot bully. Nothing stops a bully in their tracks faster than one standing up to them and that is what Jagdeo does. Even from the Opposition bench. And he isn't making any 'mo fiah slo fiah' threats like those PNC dudes. Unfortunately Guyanese in May 2015 bet on their demise.

Ksaz - On Point!  Best comment on this thread! That right there is nothing but the truth.  Jagdeo rose to the occasion when he was needed most.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

Jagdeo was a bully and he pissed off a lot of people. So don't go knocking us for taking  a stand against these bullies. The PPP/C need someone else other than Jagdeo to carry the fight; Civil Society needs to be mobilised to fight these new Dictators. The real culprit is Harmon. Granger is there for the term.

Unfortunately, until Jagdeo became the PPP leader, the PPP was basically impotent and being pushed around by the PNC. It was because of Jagdeo that the PNC bullying ways was somewhat tempered. The crime wave before Roger Khan's intervention would have wiped out a lot of citizen confidence and business activities. Dire consequence demanded a strong and resolute leader and Jagdeo provided that. Jagdeo left and the Opposition bullied Ramotar. Jagdeo came back and told them to their face that he is not afraid of them. Those are powerful words because the PNC and their supporters were placed on notice that they are dealing with a leader who they cannot bully. Nothing stops a bully in their tracks faster than one standing up to them and that is what Jagdeo does. Even from the Opposition bench. And he isn't making any 'mo fiah slo fiah' threats like those PNC dudes. Unfortunately Guyanese in May 2015 bet on their demise.

Ksaz - On Point!  Best comment on this thread! That right there is nothing but the truth.  Jagdeo rose to the occasion when he was needed most.

Indeed. If Jagdeo was anything like Cheddie, Hoyte, Corbin and Trotman would have had him on his knees. Ramotar was a decent man. My guess is more decent than Jagdeo and the PNC supported by the AFC made his three years of governance a nightmare. Jagdeo came back and said to their face "I am not afraid of you". That must have made them freeze.

ba$eman posted:
Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

But, I can say this with frankness, given the history of the PNC: this will not deter them from making Indians second class citizens in their own country, and the slide towards Burnhamism will continue.

Quite a strong statement Vish.


D2 left GNI because "mission accomplished".  Expect Caribj to do the same.  They will leave the loyalist like baseman to fight with you coolie katahars traitors while they laugh all the way into Govt for the next 50 years, or Until Venezuela ride to the rescue!

Indians in Guyana are an extinct constituency!

You will battle with windmills.

Suh Venezuela will rescue the Indos,

You are a traitor,

By the way more Indos migrate under the so called savior from FH,the numbers are declining.

Today i am considering to make my last post [may consider to repost in the future,time to take a break],will peep in to see how the crew are doing.

Leonora posted:

Oh lord, Granger's henchmen are fleeing GNI.  

Leonora, should we forget the record of

Lamumba, Kwame, Hamilton,

Kit Nascimento, Norman McClean,

Edgehill, Witicka and Bynoe

and Keep Voting for the PPP?

 

Or should We distance ourselves

from those Black Thugs,

Killers, Rapist,

Kick-down-door Bandits

and Ballot Box Thieves?????

Django posted:

 

Today i am considering to make my last post [may consider to repost in the future,time to take a break],will peep in to see how the crew are doing.

If you do Django, all the best. We may have disagreed politically but hopefully it was done respectfully.

Mitwah posted:
Leonora posted:

Oh lord, Granger's henchmen are fleeing GNI.  

Leonora, should we forget the record of

Lamumba, Kwame, Hamilton,

Kit Nascimento, Norman McClean,

Edgehill, Witicka and Bynoe

and Keep Voting for the PPP?

 

Or should We distance ourselves

from those Black Thugs,

Killers, Rapist,

Kick-down-door Bandits

and Ballot Box Thieves?????

Those were indeed bad dudes when they worked for and supported the PNC prior to 1992. It may just be that Jagdeo was wise to know that he doesn't want these bad dudes undermining his efforts so he brought them onboard. May not be what decent folks do but then again, there was only one Jesus Christ.

The end result is that their witlessness seem to end when they walked away from the PNC. From that viewpoint, it is hard to argue with Jagdeo's decision to separate them from the PNC.

ksazma posted:
Django posted:

 

Today i am considering to make my last post [may consider to repost in the future,time to take a break],will peep in to see how the crew are doing.

If you do Django, all the best. We may have disagreed politically but hopefully it was done respectfully.

Kaz,

You are a fair guy,i can't recall we had any fights in cyberworld sharing our views.

Django, I wish you all the best. I did not return to face personal attacks. My use of time will be better spent in focusing more in the community teaching the youngsters Hindi Music.

In saying Alvidaa to GNI I wish everyone  a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Did the PNC pay checks come to a screeching halt?  Or did Harmon fire all his posters?  

Nah,for the past two months i got an overload of work to make some $$$,after a long time,that may last for another couple of months.

So i will be back,

alyuh keep this place alive.

Mitwah posted:

Django, I wish you all the best. I did not return to face personal attacks. My use of time will be better spent in focusing more in the community teaching the youngsters Hindi Music.

In saying Alvidaa to GNI I wish everyone  a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Thanks Mits,as i mentioned i will be back after a few months of break.

Well good luck.  I will not miss any of you.  Despite his racist rants, Caribj was the one person who had some depth in his posts.  I cannot blame the man for speaking up for his people.  He told several lies, but that's because he knew he was the smartest in the PNC gang, and could possibly get away with it.

Mitwah posted:

Django, I wish you all the best. I did not return to face personal attacks. My use of time will be better spent in focusing more in the community teaching the youngsters Hindi Music.

In saying Alvidaa to GNI I wish everyone  a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Take care Mitwah. Teaching youngsters their culture is always time well spent. Best wishes.

Django posted:
Mitwah posted:

Django, I wish you all the best. I did not return to face personal attacks. My use of time will be better spent in focusing more in the community teaching the youngsters Hindi Music.

In saying Alvidaa to GNI I wish everyone  a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Thanks Mits,as i mentioned i will be back after a few months of break.

I may spend some time on Bollywood Talk forum to update the Anuja Kamat thread I started on Indian Music Theory.  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/an...dian-classical-music

 

When I have the time, I'll write an essay about these Indo-Guyanese traitors who sold out their people for money or PNC jobs. It's just like the Indians who for a few pieces of silver, gave up their fellow Indians to the recruiter who forced them to board the slave ships out of India to Guyana and elsewhere. The gene is still there. Indians stab each other in the back. Blacks, whites, and all other races stick up for each other. I see it in the workplace.  

Whites stab others in their backs also. They just do it slyly. Blacks are perhaps more inclined to help their black brothers and sisters but them again, more blacks are harmed by other blacks than by others. It all goes to show that there are good and bad in all of us and to say that one racial, religious of national group is better than another is incorrect.

Leonora posted:

When I have the time, I'll write an essay about these Indian traitors who sold out their people for money or PNC jobs. It's just like the Indians who for a few pieces of silver, gave up their fellow Indians to the recruiter who forced them to board the slave ships out of India to Guyana and elsewhere. The gene is still there. Indians stab each other in the back. Blacks, whites, and all other races stick up for each other. I see it in the workplace.  

Oh my!  I was thinking the same thing.  Let's co-author a book.  This characteristic of being traitors is an Indian disease which has no cure!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Well good luck.  I will not miss any of you.  Despite his racist rants, Caribj was the one person who had some depth in his posts.  I cannot blame the man for speaking up for his people.  He told several lies, but that's because he knew he was the smartest in the PNC gang, and could possibly get away with it.

Thanks,

have always been lucky since 1985,when i started become self employed [with $300 GY] back in the homeland, 9 yrs after migrating here did it again in 2005.

Planning to semi-retire this year and start to travel before i expire,heading to France and a few European Countries this year,Swiss Alps is one of the places will be visiting.

Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
Mitwah posted:

Django, I wish you all the best. I did not return to face personal attacks. My use of time will be better spent in focusing more in the community teaching the youngsters Hindi Music.

In saying Alvidaa to GNI I wish everyone  a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Thanks Mits,as i mentioned i will be back after a few months of break.

I may spend some time on Bollywood Talk forum to update the Anuja Kamat thread I started on Indian Music Theory.  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/an...dian-classical-music

 

Mits,

Always wanted to play the key board,i will have to pull out the parked Casio my younger son used for music when in Mid School.

Will follow this thread,may learn a few things.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I have a feeling all y'all will return in 2020, to cheer on the PNC to round two of the victory lap and tell people how much money the PPP thief.  In the meantime, don't get lost in the Swiss Alps.  It's a very cold and lonely place.

At the Swiss Alps,my younger sister [lives in France] will be the chaperon,tha gaal like he big brother baad.

Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Well good luck.  I will not miss any of you.  Despite his racist rants, Caribj was the one person who had some depth in his posts.  I cannot blame the man for speaking up for his people.  He told several lies, but that's because he knew he was the smartest in the PNC gang, and could possibly get away with it.

Thanks,

have always been lucky since 1985,when i started become self employed [with $300 GY] back in the homeland, 9 yrs after migrating here did it again in 2005.

Planning to semi-retire this year and start to travel before i expire,heading to France and a few European Countries this year,Swiss Alps is one of the places will be visiting.

I am sure you will peep in and check some of the articles from time to time.

Django posted:

Will do Skelly,

been here a long time,the pull is there,got  to see how my cyber friends are doing.

As much as I argue and call members names on this BB, I never entertain any hatred or disdain for anyone. I have always said that even though we have our political disagreements here, I always consider you guys as friends that I have never met.

SHAME is usually a TOOL to cause one to rethink and most times come to their senses. They dropping like Flies all because of SHAME!!!

They rather GO than say things that will HURT their Masters.

GOOD RIDDANCE to all of them. This Site and the World will be a better Place without them!!!!

Nehru posted:

SHAME is usually a TOOL to cause one to rethink and most times come to their senses. They dropping like Flies all because of SHAME!!!

They rather GO than say things that will HURT their Masters.

GOOD RIDDANCE to all of them. This Site and the World will be a better Place without them!!!!

Looks like D2 and Carib got jobs with the PNC. Lookout guys, they might be monitoring our posts. Is Django the next full time employee?

Django posted:
Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
Mitwah posted:

Django, I wish you all the best. I did not return to face personal attacks. My use of time will be better spent in focusing more in the community teaching the youngsters Hindi Music.

In saying Alvidaa to GNI I wish everyone  a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Thanks Mits,as i mentioned i will be back after a few months of break.

I may spend some time on Bollywood Talk forum to update the Anuja Kamat thread I started on Indian Music Theory.  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/an...dian-classical-music

 

 

Mits,

Always wanted to play the key board,i will have to pull out the parked Casio my younger son used for music when in Mid School.

Will follow this thread,may learn a few things.

I would like to recommend this site for free lessons. http://www.sharda.org/

You can always PM me. I might be setting up Skype later on. I am coaching a few seniors.... Children are easier to teach/coach. Adults have too many other responsibilities and distractions. Retention could be a challenge.

 

Suddenly, a dejected few is making a big HOOP-LA on leaving this site, blaming this and blaming that. They have achieved their mission, that is to get the PNC in government, staying on would conflict their purpose and cause them to slip and contradict their misguided party. Even the printed news that they cut, paste and post shows how incompetent is the PNC government.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Did the PNC pay checks come to a screeching halt?  Or did Harmon fire all his posters?  

Good observation, note that caribj and d2 hang up their hats. I suspect budget cuts at the OP cost them their paid positions.  But they try to pass off their termination as self resignation. 

Drugb posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Did the PNC pay checks come to a screeching halt?  Or did Harmon fire all his posters?  

Good observation, note that caribj and d2 hang up their hats. I suspect budget cuts at the OP cost them their paid positions.  But they try to pass off their termination as self resignation. 

I looked at it from the other side. Moving up from section 8 and public assistance and a dollar store stock boy will need extra cash to lure these guys away(exchange rate is dropping). Must be the reason why Granger taxed electricity and water.

TK posted:

 What is ominous is the head of the public service, Mr Harmon, could be a law unto himself. Placing a politician to head the public service was Granger's original sin. He should have taken the example of Hoyte and place a non-politician to head the public service. Harmon must not be sending people to bully anyone. Let the courts and police deal with the matter. I see some PNC supporters are jumping for joy without seeing the irony and danger.

 

Much danger - one term government.  

Drugb posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Did the PNC pay checks come to a screeching halt?  Or did Harmon fire all his posters?  

Good observation, note that caribj and d2 hang up their hats. I suspect budget cuts at the OP cost them their paid positions.  But they try to pass off their termination as self resignation. 

They have outlasted their usefulness to the coalition.  The PNC don't need them anymore. Watch for some of them to re-surface as we get closer to 2020.  They will come back to cheer on either Harmon or Trotman to PNC victory.  If oil starts to flow by then, their pay checks would be even bigger.

Did you notice since a few weeks ago, all of them started to criticize the coalition?  They knew what was coming down the pipeline.  

Prince posted:

Mitwah is incriminating himself by saying that bullying tactics has returned to Guyana. Isn't this chamaar, Mitwah help put the PNC in power and spoke bad about Jagan when blackman poke was sweet in his mouth? 

Possibly not just blackman poke but bigan too. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

They have outlasted their usefulness to the coalition.  The PNC don't need them anymore. Watch for some of them to re-surface as we get closer to 2020.  They will come back to cheer on either Harmon or Trotman to PNC victory.  If oil starts to flow by then, their pay checks would be even bigger.

Did you notice since a few weeks ago, all of them started to criticize the coalition?  They knew what was coming down the pipeline.  

I am not sure if they even need to resurface. Once PNC in power, rigging will ensure and the US will be content to turn a blind eye as Granger is in their good graces. 

Drugb posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

They have outlasted their usefulness to the coalition.  The PNC don't need them anymore. Watch for some of them to re-surface as we get closer to 2020.  They will come back to cheer on either Harmon or Trotman to PNC victory.  If oil starts to flow by then, their pay checks would be even bigger.

Did you notice since a few weeks ago, all of them started to criticize the coalition?  They knew what was coming down the pipeline.  

I am not sure if they even need to resurface. Once PNC in power, rigging will ensure and the US will be content to turn a blind eye as Granger is in their good graces. 

Don't worry the PPP will be out in full force to force Granger to remain democratic like they did to Hoyte   Remember is was the PPP hard wuk that FORCED Hoyte to hold free and fair elections?

VVP posted:

Don't worry the PPP will be out in full force to force Granger to remain democratic like they did to Hoyte   Remember is was the PPP hard wuk that FORCED Hoyte to hold free and fair elections?

You must be a serious joker like Django. Even with the PPP in power, this did not prevent the PNC/AFC from rigging the 2015 elections. 

Drugb posted:
VVP posted:

Don't worry the PPP will be out in full force to force Granger to remain democratic like they did to Hoyte   Remember is was the PPP hard wuk that FORCED Hoyte to hold free and fair elections?

You must be a serious joker like Django. Even with the PPP in power, this did not prevent the PNC/AFC from rigging the 2015 elections. 

Well, is not y'all said that it was not Hoyte that brought back free and fair elections because is y'all that forced him to? Or y'all memory shaat?

Tank gaad for Google  

Oct 5, 1992: The end of PNC dictatorial rule and return of democracy – PPP

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A-section-of-the-thousands-rallying-for-the-PPPC-at-the-launch-of-the-party’s-elections-campaign-on-Sunday-at-Albion-Corentyne-Berbice[www.inewsguyana.com] – The People’s Progressive Party (PPP) is celebrating the 22 anniversary of what it says is the return of democracy to Guyana after twenty-eight years of dictatorial rule.

In a release the Party says “October 5, 1992 can justifiably be regarded as a defining moment in the political life of Guyana. For one thing, it marked a break from nearly three decades of authoritarian rule by a regime that was foisted on the backs of the Guyanese people by western imperialist powers which eventually morphed into one of the worst forms of quasi-military and dictatorial rule in the English- speaking Caribbean.”

PPP says it is a well-established fact that all elections, national and regional, were blatantly and massively rigged by the People’s National Congress (PNC) regime in order to perpetuate its life in government.

“It would be useful to make mention of the fact that the democratic reforms which took place during the elections of October 5, 1992 did not come about as a result of the altruistic intentions of the then PNC regime but due to intense pressures both from the democratic forces within the country led by the PPP and from the international donor community led by the Carter Centre,” the Party added.

The ruling Party said too that it is a sad narrative of failed governance that spawned the entire period of PNC misrule which led not only to the impoverishment of the Guyanese people but at a more fundamental level to the degeneration of the nation-state to a point where the country was reduced to the poorest country in the western hemisphere, slightly ahead of Haiti in terms of per capita income.

“Guyana became a laughing stock among CARICOM nations and at one time was deemed ‘uncreditworthy” by the International Monetary Fund (IMF)…
It was against the above background that the struggle for free and fair elections has to be situated.”

PPP recalled that the country had reached a point where the regime had become a national liability and a brake on the country’s development.

However, the PPP/C, despite predictions by Hoyte that the new government could not survive one year in office,  is celebrating this month twenty-two years in office having won successive elections in certified free and fair elections, the Party reasoned.

“During this period, the Presidency changed hands following the death of Dr. Jagan to his wife Janet Jagan, and following her passing, to Mr. Samuel Hinds, Dr. Bharrat Jagdeo and Mr. Donald Ramotar who is the current President.
One common denominator of all the Presidents that served at the helm of the PPP/C administration was their ability to take the country along the development continuum as the country soars to higher and higher levels of achievement and recognition and as a proud member of the international community.

Despite obstructions tactics employed by the combined political opposition aided and abetted by a hostile opposition the country continues to make substantial progress in every facet of national life.The PPP is proud of the role it has played and continues to play in the restoration and consolidation of democratic rule in Guyana.”

 

"The ruling Party said too that it is a sad narrative of failed governance that spawned the entire period of PNC misrule which led not only to the impoverishment of the Guyanese people but at a more fundamental level to the degeneration of the nation-state to a point where the country was reduced to the poorest country in the western hemisphere, slightly ahead of Haiti in terms of per capita income."


You holding fort VVP,

keep it up. hope Imran learn a few things.

All the keyboard warriors cut an run,I man was still there until 1996,

Wondering how many points GY is above Haiti.

 

You holding fort VVP,

keep it up. hope Imran learn a few things.

All the keyboard warriors cut an run,I man was still there until 1996,

Wondering how many points GY is above Haiti.

Somebody gat to keep the comrades company 

Prince posted:

Mitwah is incriminating himself by saying that bullying tactics has returned to Guyana. Isn't this chamaar, Mitwah help put the PNC in power and spoke bad about Jagan when blackman poke was sweet in his mouth? 

SO WHAT.  ANYBODY WAS BETTER THAT RUMTAR THE DUNCE.

Georgie posted:
Prince posted:

Mitwah is incriminating himself by saying that bullying tactics has returned to Guyana. Isn't this chamaar, Mitwah help put the PNC in power and spoke bad about Jagan when blackman poke was sweet in his mouth? 

SO WHAT.  ANYBODY WAS BETTER THAT RUMTAR THE DUNCE.

Georgie wha wrong with you,

Presi Ramotar is a bright fella.

"Ramotar joined the PPP in 1967 and was first elected to the PPP Central Committee in 1979; he joined the PPP Executive Committee in 1983. He received a certificate from the Government Technical Institute (GTI) in welding. From 1988 to 1993, he was International Secretary of the Guyana Agricultural Workers' Union. In the 1992 election, in which the PPP under Cheddi Jagan won power for first time in decades, Ramotar was elected to the National Assembly of Guyana; he was continuously re-elected thereafter. He was designated as the PPP's Executive Secretary in 1993.[2] Following Jagan's death in March 1997, Ramotar was unanimously elected to succeed him as the PPP's General Secretary on March 29, 1997"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ramotar

ba$eman posted:

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Those Indians who helped bury their own in Guyana should never be welcomed.  The TK's Mitwahs, Kishanbs, Djanngo, Gilbaka and those myopic selfish fools whose only agenda was "seeing the back of BJ" (VVP included) are all traitors to Indians.

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D2 left GNI because "mission accomplished".  Expect Caribj to do the same.  They will leave the loyalist like baseman to fight with you coolie katahars traitors while they laugh all the way into Govt for the next 50 years, or Until Venezuela ride to the rescue!

Indians in Guyana are an extinct constituency!

Dude, get it in your skull the reason most here were for throwing scumbag PPP out were for many reasons no need for me to get into that. Yes you are correct to say we wanted to see the back of BJ and his pack of vultures and it was made possible because he thoroughly fkd up the PPP party, he brought it to the level of the PNC.

Not one of the fellas you are speaking about in your post care for a PNC govt, none, they have said so many times but all you people see is BJ get kick out now black man in, that's all.  Those who are leaving are doing so because of this thinking, they know yall rass got shit for brains and can't think straight, but doan worry Iman stiking 'round a bit to keep ayou stupid rass in check, someone gotta stick round to close the barn door.

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