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Some questions for the former PM on Amaila

SN July 23, 2015
 

Dear Editor,

In a letter titled ‘Almost all solar home systems projects were subject to a process of open international bidding,’ in the Stabroek News on July 20, former Prime Minister Samuel Hinds stated “The Amaila Falls project as it was developed by the PPP/C administration remains the most attractive electricity generation project for Guyana. About the best that could be found on first cost, financing cost and average lifetime costs of electrical energy generated.”

I would be extremely grateful if Mr Hinds could provide the analysis or report he used to back up his statement above. I have been trying to get information on the Amaila Falls project and so far I have only been able to find a Sithe Global presentation dated August 2013. That presentation has a lot of unanswered questions that I hope Mr. Hinds could answer.

The questions are as follows:

  1. Does the US$858 million project cost cover substations also? If yes, how many?
  2. Is there potential to site any other generators along the proposed transmission route? If yes, what type and where?
  3. For the first 11 years, GPL is expected to pay US$122 million per year at an equivalent rate of 11 US cents/kWh. This equates to about 1,110 GWh per year at an average demand of 127 MW. However, from GPL’s 2012 annual report, the country’s total generation in that year was 690 GWh which equates to an average demand of about 80 MW. Therefore, in order to pay for Amaila generation the usage and average demand in Guyana would have to increase by about 60%. Is this feasible? How much load is currently served by self-generators that would be willing to take power from GPL when/if the hydro project is completed?
  4. Does the 11 US cents/kWh include delivery (transmission) costs also or is it just an energy charge? If no, is there an additional delivery charge?
  5. Is the plant expected to generate year round or will there be periods during the dry season that the plant will have to shut down? If it will be shut down during the year, for how many months will this last?
  6. Assuming that the hydro will not be able to produce electricity during part of the year, then GPL will have to maintain sufficient generation to serve the load. As a result, it would be very costly to carry a large amount of generation to be used on a part-time basis. Was this factor taken into account in the analysis? This was not shown in the Sithe Global presentation.
  7. Was any consideration taken into account that central generation is needed close to load centres to provide inertia to the system?
  8. Can the Amaila site be expanded to add more generators in the future?
  9. Is there potential to create a continuous year round flow at Amaila to ensure continuous generation? If yes, was this option considered?

This is a huge project that could have major financial implications for the people of Guyana. If there is a decision to go forward with this project all studies should be made available to the general public for their comments, since they will be footing the bill. I would be willing to comment on behalf of the citizens of Guyana free of charge.

 

Yours faithfully,

Vijay Puran

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I, and many others, have questioned the wisdom of building that dam. Its capacity far exceeds the needs of the country for the foreseeable future. The Guyanese population would either have to increase, or people would have to start using electricity as if it is going out of fashion. Otherwise the income would not match the astronomical repayments.

Some suggested selling the surplus to other countries. I must laugh when I read those things. We can't even lash up a fibre optic cable, so how are we going to get the electricity to other countries? In water bottle or big batteries stored on lorries? It is obviously a scam designed to syphon off funds.

Mr.T

The PNC does not have an electoral mandate to propose anything to the government. Maybe that's how the PNC worked with the PPP, but that is then, and now is now. Only APNU and the AFC have the legal power to decide on the next move.

Mr.T

1. The individual can indeed take the steps to obtain copies of or review the numerous reports which are available on the proposed Amaila hydroelectric project.

 

2. Information is available from the department(s) currently responsible for these proposals and developments.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

1. The individual can indeed take the steps to obtain copies of or review the numerous reports which are available on the proposed Amaila hydroelectric project.

 

2. Information is available from the department(s) currently responsible for these proposals and developments.

SUMMARY: The individual must do his research.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

1. The individual can indeed take the steps to obtain copies of or review the numerous reports which are available on the proposed Amaila hydroelectric project.

 

2. Information is available from the department(s) currently responsible for these proposals and developments.

SUMMARY: The individual must do his research.

Ayu Rass wicked yuhy kno.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

1. The individual can indeed take the steps to obtain copies of or review the numerous reports which are available on the proposed Amaila hydroelectric project.

 

2. Information is available from the department(s) currently responsible for these proposals and developments.

SUMMARY: The individual must do his research.

Irrelevant, irreverent, irresponsible... lol.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

1. The individual can indeed take the steps to obtain copies of or review the numerous reports which are available on the proposed Amaila hydroelectric project.

 

2. Information is available from the department(s) currently responsible for these proposals and developments.

SUMMARY: The individual must do his research.

Irrelevant, irreverent, irresponsible... lol.

  DG gat everything.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Mars:
As you bellow to the man in the mirror

Your usual comments to yourself even when while glued to the mirror.

Perhaps an apt description of yourself

FM

Serious questions there Vijay. Guyana's geography and dispersed population add to high cost of hydro. They would still need to burn fossil fuel because Amaila was going to have variable performance. Fip's road was budgeted for US$15 mill. Now the thing is US$42 mill and it isn't finished.  

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

Serious questions there Vijay. Guyana's geography and dispersed population add to high cost of hydro. They would still need to burn fossil fuel because Amaila was going to have variable performance. Fip's road was budgeted for US$15 mill. Now the thing is US$42 mill and it isn't finished.  

Sithe claimed that they could operate at 80% capacity factor (132 MW) throughout the year.  I do not know if they are lying because they said the reservoir would supply 23 days during the dry season so if the dry season is longer than that (which is most likely) they will have to shut down.  If they claim they could run throughout the year there should be heavy penalties if they have to shut down for lack of water.  A lot more information is needed to determine if this project is feasible.

FM
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

I, and many others, have questioned the wisdom of building that dam. Its capacity far exceeds the needs of the country for the foreseeable future. The Guyanese population would either have to increase, or people would have to start using electricity as if it is going out of fashion. Otherwise the income would not match the astronomical repayments.

Some suggested selling the surplus to other countries. I must laugh when I read those things. We can't even lash up a fibre optic cable, so how are we going to get the electricity to other countries? In water bottle or big batteries stored on lorries? It is obviously a scam designed to syphon off funds.

If it is large enough -> 1,000 MW plus then it might be feasible to build and sell to other countries.  I think this is what they are thinking about for the Mazaruni project with Brazil.

FM
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

It still doesn't say how the electricity would be transported to countries that are interested. The infra structure to do that would cost an absolute fortune. Money we don't have.

The big money in a project that scale (1,000 MW plus) is in the hydro power development.  Transmission lines are not that expensive in relative terms.  Of course a project this big cannot be financed by Guyana alone.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

It still doesn't say how the electricity would be transported to countries that are interested. The infra structure to do that would cost an absolute fortune. Money we don't have.

The big money in a project that scale (1,000 MW plus) is in the hydro power development.  Transmission lines are not that expensive in relative terms.  Of course a project this big cannot be financed by Guyana alone.

look, these things were never quite thought through by BHARATJI and the PPP tiefman, rent-seeking braintrust

 

they were more interested in finding a mega-project such that they could hand "develepment rights" to a klown like Fip Motilall

 

imagine . . .?

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

It still doesn't say how the electricity would be transported to countries that are interested. The infra structure to do that would cost an absolute fortune. Money we don't have.

The big money in a project that scale (1,000 MW plus) is in the hydro power development.  Transmission lines are not that expensive in relative terms.  Of course a project this big cannot be financed by Guyana alone.

The only countries we could then get to are the ones adjacent to our borders. Do you seriously think that any of them would be interested? And what experience has Guyana got in building such structures? We can't even run a single fibre optic cable, let a lone one carrying a lethal voltage.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Mars:
As you bellow to the man in the mirror

Your usual comments to yourself even when while glued to the mirror.

Perhaps an apt description of yourself

perhapsssss...yesss...perhaps.

cain

The realisation of a sustainable hydropower development remains a major objective of the PPP/C

Dear Editor,

We, who have been working for over a decade at realizing our national dream of harnessing one of our waterfalls to provide our electricity, welcome the questions on Amaila put by Mr Puran in his letter appearing in Stabroek News and the Chronicle on July 23.

 

We had no doubt that the questions put and answers sought by Mr Puran would have been on the minds of and would be informative to many of our fellow citizens, as we are all interested in and seek the development of our people and country.

 

Our PPP/C starting point in the late 1990s was the studies and appraisals undertaken by various aiding institutions, during the 1970s and early 1980s, of the potential of various hydropower sites (nearly 70 identified and studied to various degrees). Amaila provided one of the best fits to Guyana’s local needs.

Editor, this reply to Mr Puran was delayed as I struggled to not be left too far behind the late-teens and early twenty-years old in the foundation computer course in which I enrolled. I can and do now take the opportunity to respond also to the article in Stabroek News of July 28, ‘Government reviewing three Hydropower proposals -Patterson.’ Did anyone notice what the Minister was reported to have said – “that right now he did not wish to declare any information of the projects being reviewed” and “he did not even wish to disclose the proposed sites that were being looked at by the private proposals.” His revelation is remarkable when one recalls that the then opposition claimed that a major cause for their objection to Amaila was the lack of disclosure and transparency accompanied with innuendos of favouring friends. But as I said when I was being pestered by reporters to respond to PM Nagamootoo’s comments on the PM residence, “one has to live in the house to know where it leaks; and one has to wear the shoe to know where it pinches!”

Whatever the motivation for their objection we would have lost three to four years in embarking on a hydropower development to meet our needs.

 

In office or out of office the earliest realization of a significant, sustainable hydropower development remains a major objective of the PPP/C.

Now back to Mr Puran’s questions.

  1. Yes: the estimate of US $858 million included all the required substations – there is a substation to deliver power to the Linden area.
  2. We do not envisage now any other hydropower development along the transmission route; no doubt however, we can foresee that this transmission line would in time become part of an across Guyana and transnational electricity grid.
  3. We projected that there would be enough demand to justify its construction. When Amaila becomes available GPL’s demand has risen from 690 to 750 GWh from 2012 to 2014. Overall development would be stimulated by the breaking of ground and the progress of construction of Amaila; and self generators including BOSAI and the Linden area would transfer to the grid. But no one knows what the future would be; at times we were criticized that Amaila was too big and at other times that it would not be enough.
  4. The US 11 cents per kWh is the total charge inclusive of capital, operating and maintenance charges for the total hydropower plant and transmission line. However, there is no royalty charge included for the use of the waterfall so as lower prices to provide to consumers. One should be aware that from about year eleven to the year of transfer (twenty to thirty years) the total charge would be even lower, about US 7 cent per kWh; and after transfer, (at the end of all capitalization payments) the charges would be just about US 3 cents per kWh delivered to Sophia. Even with crude oil currently at US$50 per barrel, Amaila is still attractive.

    Minister Patterson stated that the proposed sites being considered now are a far cry from the US$858 million for Amaila. No doubt true, but the relevant criteria are the overall total unit construction cost (US$ per MW) including transmission to Sophia, and the lifetime average unit energy cost delivered at Sophia (US cent per kWh) Let us see how they will compare!

  1. The plant is expected to generate electricity year round; the reservoir though on the small side, would provide enough ‘drawdown’ to operate for one to two months without any rainfall in the area.
  2. Yes, it was recognized that GPL would have to maintain its diesel and other generating capacity to meet foreseen and unforeseen shortfalls in generation from Amaila. On this question one should be made aware that Guyana is participating in an IDB sponsored supported “Northern Arc” study of electricity links interconnecting points in northern Brazil, Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana, so that we could help each other in times of need.

Yes, it was way beyond me, but there have been studies of grid stability and the amount of local generation prudently needed.

The earlier studies referred to, recognised the possibility of delivering some of the headwaters of the Potaro and the Mazaruni to Amaila to raise generating capacity to about 1100 MW. This diversion has not been included at this time.

Yes, one could envisage an arrangement to guarantee year round flow and generation (increase the reservoir and reduce the rated and installed capacity) but it would be less economically attractive.

 

Can “all studies be made available?” I have been told that there are lots of studies available from the websites of various stakeholders and more could be made available. The question would be whether persons requesting the additional studies would have the time and background to properly review the study. I was satisfied with the information I reviewed.

Yours faithfully,


Samuel A A Hinds

FM
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

The PNC does not have an electoral mandate to propose anything to the government. Maybe that's how the PNC worked with the PPP, but that is then, and now is now. Only APNU and the AFC have the legal power to decide on the next move.

A move they can never figure out.  They lack the funds and the technical know how. The APNU/AFC alliance  is throwing away US$1 billion.

R
Originally Posted by VVP:
 . . . Can “all studies be made available?” I have been told that there are lots of studies available from the websites of various stakeholders and more could be made available. The question would be whether persons requesting the additional studies would have the time and background to properly review the study. I was satisfied with the information I reviewed.

 

Yours faithfully,

Samuel A A Hinds

this is how this pitiful idiot tool with lots to hide answers a direct question

 

smfh

FM
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The interest of the people must be paramount on Amaila

Dear Editor,

 

I really appreciate the time taken by former Prime Minister Samuel Hinds to answer questions I had asked in a previously published letter in regard to the Amaila Falls Hydro Project. Mr Hinds’s response was published in the Stabroek News letters column on July 29. In his response, he provided some detailed information to support his answers, however, these still lacked some fundamental details necessary to determine even at a “65,000 feet level” if the Amaila Falls project is feasible.

 

Mr Hinds indicated that more studies could be made available, but questioned whether persons requesting the additional studies would have the time and background to properly review the study. I would like to assure Mr Hinds that I am prepared to give up some sleep in order to have sufficient time to evaluate any studies he could provide. I would also like to assure him that I possess the necessary background to review the studies. I am a senior engineer with the New York State Department of Public Service (DPS) where we regulate approximately US$29 billion per year in electric commerce. My job entails, among other things, reviewing capital projects such as the Amaila Falls Hydro Project to determine their need, cost and timing. The DPS looks after the interest of the ratepayers of New York State.

 

Even in the USA, a project the size of Amaila would be considered a massive project and would most certainly be evaluated in a dedicated administrative proceeding where parties would be allowed to intervene to examine the developer’s filing. The developer’s filing could be over 1,000 pages thick filled will all level of details including engineering, economic and environmental impacts.

 

These proceedings take the form of a court case where testimonies are filed and parties are cross-examined. The final outcome is usually decided by the regulatory commission.

 

Given this level of scrutiny in the USA, it is scary to think that a US$858 million project can be decided on ‘back of the envelope’ calculations in Guyana. The people of Guyana must call for in-depth scrutiny of such massive projects. Moreover, the country cannot and should not be railroaded by the IDB to commit to the Amaila Falls project without a thorough feasibility study.

 

Mr Hinds stated in his response that “we projected that there would be enough demand to justify its [Amaila Falls] construction.”   Mr Hinds should provide the details behind this projection because this cannot be taken lightly. It might be difficult for the average reader to comprehend, but in 2012 GPL peak demand (highest usage in one hour of the year) was about 110 MW and the average demand (average usage over all hours of the year) was 80 MW. For Amaila to be feasible (without cost overruns) the average demand would have to be about 127MW; that is, the usage in each hour of the year would have to be greater than the peak demand in 2012. Can self-generators including Bosai and the Linden area make up this difference by taking service from the Amaila project? Mr Hinds should provide the details.

 

The other big question is about the US 11 cents/kWh charge. Mr Hinds claims that the US 11 cents per kWh is the total charge inclusive of capital, operating and maintenance charges for the total hydropower plant and transmission line. He further claims that after 11 years the charge would be about US 7 cents per kWh and after twenty to thirty years it would be US 3 cents per kWh. I would recommend that if the contract could be written in this exact language then the government should proceed with the project since these charges are significantly less than current production costs. However, I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that the way the contract would be written is to guarantee the developer a fixed payment stream such as US$122 million for the first 11 years and the US 11 cents per kWh charge would be based on some assumed usage which might not bear out in reality. The end result would be that GPL or government would have to fork out the difference between the fixed payments and the amount collected in rates.

 

There is also the issue of having a continuous year round flow at Amaila to ensure continuous generation. Mr Hinds contends that the plant is expected to generate electricity year round. However, Sithe Global’s August 2013 presentation states that the reservoir is sized for 23 days full load operation during the dry season. It is during the dry/hot season that demand would be at its maximum because of air conditioner load. To maintain a generation fleet to provide full supply in the event Amaila cannot produce power would be very costly and has to be taken into account in any analysis.

 

Editor, the bottom line is that the interest of the people must be paramount. If the Amaila Falls project is not feasible currently, then maybe we can wait for the ‘Northern Arc’ project which Mr Hinds describes as interconnecting points in northern Brazil, Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana to be finalized. With this project secure, then it might be more feasible to build Amaila to its full potential of 1,100 MW as Mr Hinds noted.

 

Yours faithfully,
Vijay Puran P.E.

FM

I got to disagree with you. The interest of the people is not paramount. The interest of the country is. If you want the people to decide then you would have to hold a referendum. The Amalia falls project is way beyond the financial repayment terms that the country can afford. And the economic case that is supposed to underline the need for it has not been proven. All that has been shown is that it will cause extreme financial hardship to the tax payers.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

I got to disagree with you. The interest of the people is not paramount. The interest of the country is. If you want the people to decide then you would have to hold a referendum. The Amalia falls project is way beyond the financial repayment terms that the country can afford. And the economic case that is supposed to underline the need for it has not been proven. All that has been shown is that it will cause extreme financial hardship to the tax payers.

What I meant was the interest of the people should be paramount over politics.  Amaila was played up too much in the "political arena."  

 

I am not sure what's the difference between interest of the people and interest of the country.  A referendum is not needed; what is needed is an open process where large scale projects could be scrutinized by all interest groups.

FM

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