Times have changed. If Guyana wants to be like Venezuela and members of the collation and their families want internationally imposed sanctions on them then let them rig the election.

Freddie Kissoon lost all credibility when he plotted and participated in the oligarch/Charandass Persaud/Jagdeo conspiracy to undermine democracy in Guyana

this is simply him jumping the shark . . . another shriek for attention

ignominy and irrelevance

smfh

He lost credit with you. I am getting to like Fk now.

ronan posted:

Freddie Kissoon lost all credibility when he plotted and participated in the oligarch/Charandass Persaud/Jagdeo conspiracy to undermine democracy in Guyana

this is simply him jumping the shark . . . another shriek for attention

ignominy and irrelevance

smfh

bhai, wid your gaff you becoming irrelevant and a big joke.

ronan posted:

Freddie Kissoon lost all credibility when he plotted and participated in the oligarch/Charandass Persaud/Jagdeo conspiracy to undermine democracy in Guyana

this is simply him jumping the shark . . . another shriek for attention

ignominy and irrelevance

smfh

“plotted and participated” ?

Where is the evidence of this? He may have known about the incident before it took place in parliament, but he did not participate and collude with the “Judas”.  AND, he noted that should evidence surface that Charandas took bribe money, he would be the first to issue a condemnation...no?

The one person hated the most by Kissoon is Jagdeo...and he is still an admirer of President Granger...so why would Kissoon even plot and participate to remove the government with the other “sharks”?

Kissoon was relentless towards the PPP when they were in power...and for good reasons...so now his views are partisan and poisonous?...  

Banna...you are revealing your biased views to the PPP supporters here...

VishMahabir posted:

 May 18, 2019  Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 0 Comments

"Before we go any further, it must be emphasised that for all the criticism and violent activism the PNC threw at the 23-year-old reign of the PPP, the GECOM Chairman was chosen by the Opposition."

seriously freddie?

look, the outburst by Khemraj Ramjattan was impolitic and inexplicable (the man is, after all, an attorney and seasoned politician), albeit technically correct

but let's be clear, the Carter-Price formula is predicated on goodwill on both sides . . . the onus to show goodwill lies first with the opposition providing the list

none of this was on display by Jagdeo . . . maneuvering like a snake to place Granger into a trap with nonsense nominees and unstable people

it is precisely for these kinds of shenanigans that the ultimate choice of GECOM chair is left in the hands of the President - by law

i say this with a great deal of sorrow and trepidation, as someone who feels that the Patterson appointment was handled poorly by Granger

indeed, it is baffling to me that a thoroughly compromised gentleman named Gerry Gouveia was mentioned in Court as a fit and proper nominee without rebuttal . . . didn't this fellow run into US visa problems when the State Department was clamping down on dubious characters prancing around as exemplars of Jagdeo's NEPS?

smh

NO, mr Kissoon, the GECOM chairman is chosen by the President NOT the "Opposition" . . . go ask a good lawyer, sir, if that reasoning is too hard an intellectual road for you to hoe

to digest all this and jump off a cliff like a simpleton screaming "the next general elections will be rigged [by the Gov't]" is simply the continuing media element of an oligarch-driven conspiracy to RIG THE NEXT ELECTION IN THE PPP'S FAVOR USING A FRAUDULENT VOTER'S LIST . . . a list that was properly, in turn, maneuvered into expiration by the coalition Gov't

Kissoon has signed on with desperate crooks and dangerous racists as a fellow traveler . . . or worse

Prashad posted:

Times have changed. If Guyana wants to be like Venezuela and members of the collation and their families want internationally imposed sanctions on them then let them rig the election.

Whether t hey rig or not no one in the international community cares. 

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 May 18, 2019  Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 0 Comments

"Before we go any further, it must be emphasised that for all the criticism and violent activism the PNC threw at the 23-year-old reign of the PPP, the GECOM Chairman was chosen by the Opposition."

seriously freddie?

look, the outburst by Khemraj Ramjattan was impolitic and inexplicable (the man is, after all, an attorney and seasoned politician), albeit technically correct

but let's be clear, the Carter-Price formula is predicated on goodwill on both sides . . . the onus to show goodwill lies first with the opposition providing the list

none of this was on display by Jagdeo . . . maneuvering like a snake to place Granger into a trap with nonsense nominees and unstable people

it is precisely for these kinds of shenanigans that the ultimate choice of GECOM chair is left in the hands of the President - by law

i say this with a great deal of sorrow and trepidation, as someone who feels that the Patterson appointment was handled poorly by Granger

indeed, it is baffling to me that a thoroughly compromised gentleman named Gerry Gouveia was mentioned in Court as a fit and proper nominee without rebuttal . . . didn't this fellow run into US visa problems when the State Department was clamping down on dubious characters prancing around as exemplars of Jagdeo's NEPS?

smh

NO, mr Kissoon, the GECOM chairman is chosen by the President NOT the "Opposition" . . . go ask a good lawyer, sir, if that reasoning is too hard an intellectual road for you to hoe

to digest all this and jump off a cliff like a simpleton screaming "the next general elections will be rigged [by the Gov't]" is simply the continuing media element of an oligarch-driven conspiracy to RIG THE NEXT ELECTION IN THE PPP'S FAVOR USING A FRAUDULENT VOTER'S LIST . . . a list that was properly, in turn, maneuvered into expiration by the coalition Gov't

Kissoon has signed on with desperate crooks and dangerous racists as a fellow traveler . . . or worse

You have your opinion but I also do. I think the presence of the carter formula was to prevent unilateral selection. To say the people chosen were unstable is insulting. I do not know Lall to be unstable for example and I can say the same for a dozen or so of the others.

I do not see Patterson as any man of moral and temperament beyond those listed. His first two interaction with the public in writing showed him to be rather imprudent and rude. The fact that he was working for the party should discount him. Also he lied as to his service record. The choice should have been a mutual decision.

Those two men should have sat in a room and decided the merit of the individual and agree on the choice. This unilateral choice was not what the law intended how much elastic is added to stretch it to cover that option. He is to be chosen by the president from a suggested list presented by the opposition.He had a choice of 18 already and he was quite leisurely  about it so there is no excuse for the choice.  Force Jagdeo to send up a 100 if needs be.

It is also simply truth speak to say the list is fraudulent. It is a legal list that was sloppily managed so it accumulated dead people and people who left the jurisdiction among others. The need to have the list well managed was not apparently a pressing t hing for mr granger who did not broach the selection of a candidate for GECOM until 2 years into his office. The fellow selected squatted on the job and did not make an attempt to get the list in order. This fiasco is our low lever ethnic war in action.  

Stormborn posted:

The need to have the list well managed was not apparently a pressing thing for mr granger who did not broach the selection of a candidate for GECOM until 2 years into his office. The fellow selected squatted on the job and did not make an attempt to get the list in order. This fiasco is our low lever ethnic war in action.  

seriously, what on earth are you talking about?

Surujbally headed GECOM for the 1st two years of the APNU/AFC tenure . . . resigning mid-2017

Patterson actually took over in November 2017

six months into his tenure, Patterson approached Gov't for house-to-house money . . . thinking 2020 poll

PPP opposed big time, and focused on expiry of existing voter's list at end of April 2019

NCV resulted, and the rest is history

you are NOT entitled to your own facts

smfh

Stormborn posted:

You have your opinion but I also do. I think the presence of the carter formula was to prevent unilateral selection. To say the people chosen were unstable is insulting. I do not know Lall to be unstable for example and I can say the same for a dozen or so of the others.

nothing in my post disagrees with your statement about "unilateral selection" . . . not sure what you are tilting at

and i never said that [all] the people nominated by Jagdeo were "unstable' as you imply . . . i suggest you go hunt for "insulting" somewhere else

not sure who "Lall" is, but let me help you out . . . the "unstable" person I reference is Christopher Ram

Stormborn posted:

Prashad posted:

Times have changed. If Guyana wants to be like Venezuela and members of the collation and their families want internationally imposed sanctions on them then let them rig the election.

Whether t hey rig or not no one in the international community cares. 

Oh yes? Then why is Jimmy Carter grandson in Guyana?

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

You have your opinion but I also do. I think the presence of the carter formula was to prevent unilateral selection. To say the people chosen were unstable is insulting. I do not know Lall to be unstable for example and I can say the same for a dozen or so of the others.

nothing in my post disagrees with your statement about "unilateral selection" . . . not sure what you are tilting at

and i never said that [all] the people nominated by Jagdeo were "unstable' as you imply . . . i suggest you go hunt for "insulting" somewhere else

not sure who "Lall" is, but let me help you out . . . the "unstable" person I reference is Christopher Ram

The selection was unilateral. That is the insult to the process and the excuses as to why merely compounded. I do not know Mr Ram personally ( the one I actually should have referenced)  and if his stability is in doubt I dare say so is Mr Patterson who came out of the blocks insulting his critics and presuming to scold th em in his two initial protest letters in the to the newspapers.  Jagdeo put forward 18 people. Surely reasons to discount them must exist. You do not simply discount them as "not fit and proper" and then select that old has been who is a known sympathizer. 

Prashad posted:

Stormborn posted:

Prashad posted:

Times have changed. If Guyana wants to be like Venezuela and members of the collation and their families want internationally imposed sanctions on them then let them rig the election.

Whether t hey rig or not no one in the international community cares. 

Oh yes? Then why is Jimmy Carter grandson in Guyana?

He represents the Carter Center which is and NGO. If ABC nations promised to send official representatives to twart any such development then we can say the ABC countries are concerned. 

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

You have your opinion but I also do. I think the presence of the carter formula was to prevent unilateral selection. To say the people chosen were unstable is insulting. I do not know Lall to be unstable for example and I can say the same for a dozen or so of the others.

nothing in my post disagrees with your statement about "unilateral selection" . . . not sure what you are tilting at

and i never said that [all] the people nominated by Jagdeo were "unstable' as you imply . . . i suggest you go hunt for "insulting" somewhere else

not sure who "Lall" is, but let me help you out . . . the "unstable" person I reference is Christopher Ram

The selection was unilateral.

as provided by the rules when you have gangsters playing games on the other side giving sane people little choice

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

The need to have the list well managed was not apparently a pressing thing for mr granger who did not broach the selection of a candidate for GECOM until 2 years into his office. The fellow selected squatted on the job and did not make an attempt to get the list in order. This fiasco is our low lever ethnic war in action.  

seriously, what on earth are you talking about?

Surujbally headed GECOM for the 1st two years of the APNU/AFC tenure . . . resigning mid-2017

Patterson actually took over in November 2017

six months into his tenure, Patterson approached Gov't for house-to-house money . . . thinking 2020 poll

PPP opposed big time, and focused on expiry of existing voter's list at end of April 2019

NCV resulted, and the rest is history

you are NOT entitled to your own facts

smfh

I am speaking of a rational exercise that should have been the objective of GECOM and not some ad hoc list making at election time. I am an experienced enough  systems engineer to  know what it means to ensure processes are developed with sufficient modularity to reliably and successfully complete  the task they are depended on to perform. To cry the list is bloated and then infer fraud is political skullduggery's plain and simple....a failure to perform.

It is GECOM's task constitutionally to have in place a system that on demand could deliver an election in 90 days. Any lacking in that area is plain ineptitude. Guyanese accept too high a failure rate from those tasked to do a job hence the reality that we are all trapped in a swamp incompetence and the reason for being there the ready and prodigious effluence of excuses from lazy people.  

I do not care when Patterson took over. It Is a failure of Granger to install a GECOM head and his leisurely pace in actually addressing the issue a measure of his inane aloof non engaging disposition.  I also do not care the PPP plotted to deliver an NCV. we have already seen Ramotar being forced to avoid one by proroguing parliament. It has become standard political tactic  and I hope Shuman gets 2 seats so any of these two crooked parties that wins the plurality knows they have a sword of Damocles hanging over their heads in an NCV.

My  facts happen to be what is the standard viewpoint of any one looking in with an unbiased mind. The PPP and the PNC are entrenched adversaries and the nation's good is incidental. To suggest any of these parties have a pragmatic or reasonable operating political praxis is to lie to one's self. 

Stormborn posted:

Jagdeo put forward 18 people. Surely reasons to discount them must exist. You do not simply discount them as "not fit and proper" and then select that old has been who is a known sympathizer. 

think a little

to publicly state "reasons" for rejection will likely provoke charges of libel and reduce the pool of those consenting for consideration to nothing

how exactly do you "discount" characters like Gerry Gouveia and Norman McLean (publicly) who have not been convicted of any crime without 'defaming' them . . . huh?

i went through Jagdeo's lists and saw pure mischief

and yes, that includes the belated nomination of Joe Singh

madness

Stormborn posted:

I do not care when Patterson took over. It Is a failure of Granger to install a GECOM head and his leisurely pace in actually addressing the issue

again, distilled nonsense athwart reality

someone must have hijacked your handle

the rest of your post is a wordy, rambling irrelevance cooked up to perfume over the skundle o bunt you posted earlier

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

Jagdeo put forward 18 people. Surely reasons to discount them must exist. You do not simply discount them as "not fit and proper" and then select that old has been who is a known sympathizer. 

think a little

to publicly state "reasons" for rejection will likely provoke charges of libel and reduce the pool of those consenting for consideration to nothing

how exactly do you "discount" characters like Gerry Gouveia and Norman McLean (publicly) who have not been convicted of any crime without 'defaming' them . . . huh?

i went through Jagdeo's lists and saw pure mischief

and yes, that includes the belated nomination of Joe Singh

madness

Patterson is called  over the hill  and a crony why does he not sue?  Gouveia is said to be a white cloud handler   so one would understand his denial. I dont know Granger himself has the credential or reputation surpassing some of these people. If he did not like any of these people for "obvious" reasons he should have promptly discounted them and demand a new list. He let gaps of  months passed with out addressing the issue.  He was deliberate with what he did. The suspicion that he rejected all others for afavored lackey is highly credible. 

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

I do not care when Patterson took over. It Is a failure of Granger to install a GECOM head and his leisurely pace in actually addressing the issue

again, pure nonsense athwart reality

the rest of your post is a wordy, rambling irrelevance cooked up to perfume over the skundle o bunt you posted earlier

I do not give a damn what you think the rest of my post is about. I am making a case and I think doing so fairly reasonable that this selection was crassly political to implant an lackey. To this point it appears he was successful. The man is a jaundiced partisan. Freddy saying that he plans to Plan B the election is not a remote thought. After all, the PNC are practiced in the art and Granger was part of the machinery of state that would have had knowledge of it. 

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

Jagdeo put forward 18 people. Surely reasons to discount them must exist. You do not simply discount them as "not fit and proper" and then select that old has been who is a known sympathizer. 

think a little

to publicly state "reasons" for rejection will likely provoke charges of libel and reduce the pool of those consenting for consideration to nothing

how exactly do you "discount" characters like Gerry Gouveia and Norman McLean (publicly) who have not been convicted of any crime without 'defaming' them . . . huh?

i went through Jagdeo's lists and saw pure mischief

and yes, that includes the belated nomination of Joe Singh

madness

Patterson is called  over the hill  and a crony why does he not sue?  Gouveia is said to be a white cloud handler   so one would understand his denial. I dont know Granger himself has the credential or reputation surpassing some of these people. If he did not like any of these people for "obvious" reasons he should have promptly discounted them and demand a new list. He let gaps of  months passed with out addressing the issue.  He was deliberate with what he did. The suspicion that he rejected all others for afavored lackey is highly credible.

the reasons are likely NOT obvious!

do you seriously think Granger could/should have made public a disqualifying assertion that Mr Gouveia is a "white cloud handler"?

banna tek a seat

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

ronan posted:

Stormborn posted:

Jagdeo put forward 18 people. Surely reasons to discount them must exist. You do not simply discount them as "not fit and proper" and then select that old has been who is a known sympathizer. 

think a little

to publicly state "reasons" for rejection will likely provoke charges of libel and reduce the pool of those consenting for consideration to nothing

how exactly do you "discount" characters like Gerry Gouveia and Norman McLean (publicly) who have not been convicted of any crime without 'defaming' them . . . huh?

i went through Jagdeo's lists and saw pure mischief

and yes, that includes the belated nomination of Joe Singh

madness

Patterson is called  over the hill  and a crony why does he not sue?  Gouveia is said to be a white cloud handler   so one would understand his denial. I dont know Granger himself has the credential or reputation surpassing some of these people. If he did not like any of these people for "obvious" reasons he should have promptly discounted them and demand a new list. He let gaps of  months passed with out addressing the issue.  He was deliberate with what he did. The suspicion that he rejected all others for afavored lackey is highly credible.

the reasons are likely NOT obvious!

do you seriously think Granger could/should have made public a disqualifying assertion that Mr Gouveia is a "white cloud handler"?

banna tek a seat

what is obvious is folks know what I am talking about...in both instances. Yes I seriously think he should have given an explanation. The lack of it casts more doubt on his objectivity. The judges before the CCJ inquired about it.