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Afro-Guyanese pushing for return to village councils because NDCs have taken control

 

A section of attendees at the Village Movement Symposium held by the International Decade for People of African Descent Assembly-Guyana (IDPADA-G)

Afro-Guyanese on Sunday signaled they would be accelerating lobbying for a return to village councils because the existing local governance system has removed their ownership and direct responsibility for their villages, but the Guyana Reparations Committee said a special law is needed for land rights and local governance.

Chairman of the International Decade for People of African Descent Assembly-Guyana (IDPADA-G), Vincent Alexander told a well-attended symposium on the “Village Movement” that the time has come to invoke the country’s constitutional provision for the establishment of village councils because the Neighbourhood Democratic Council (NDC) system has taken away villages.

“By virtue of that embedding, the people of those villages have lost control over their villages and more particularly over their lands and the lands are now subject to decisions by bodies called Neighbourhood Democratic Councils, many of which are alien to the people whose fore-parents purchased those lands and the people who still reside in those villages,” said Alexander, regarded in some circles as an expert on the local government system having been an academic in the field instructing in a course on local government administration at the University of Guyana.

He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.

Alexander announced that, as part of the development of a strategic plan, countrywide consultations would include discussions on reverting to the village council system.

He noted that Guyana’s 1980 Constitution had provided for six tiers of local democracy—People’s Cooperative Units, Neighbourhood Councils, Community Councils, District Councils, sub-Regional Councils and Regional Councils—but by 1999 only the Municipal Neighbourhood Democratic Council and possibly Village Councils had been enshrined in law after a previously tabled legislation in 1990 that had never been debated or approved by the House. Alexander said those six tiers had been expected to replace Village Councils, District Councils, Municipalities and Country Councils.

Left to Right: Mary McCaskey, Dr. Melissa Ifill, Vincent Alexander, Land Survey Leon Rutherford, Eric Phillips and Economist Jason Fraser.

With the village councils having been replaced by the NDCs, the new body also took over the property rights and authority of villages. The IDPADA-G Chairman said the six-tier system had provided for villages to manage themselves if they had sufficient cash and other resources to do so.

“So you don’t give a local area everything to do just because (it) is a local (area) and you want to decentralise. You have to determine what can this local area do meaningfully because there are some services in local areas which are not localised or peculiar services,” Alexander said. He cited water supply through the East Demerara Water Conservancy because irrigation services are not provided by the village or primary schools that serve more than one village. On the other hand, he said the responsibility for lands should remain with villages.

Chairman of the Guyana Reparations Committee, Eric Phillips cautioned that if village councils were reestablished on the coastland under the Guyana Constitution,  they would run into conflicts with then NDCs over land management. He said the solution is for 18 percent of Guyana to be allocated to Afro-Guyanese and setting up of a perpetual trust, in keeping with the draft Guyana Reparations Ancestral Rights Bill that he hoped would be dispatched to the House. “I agree that village councils are critical for us but I think that a different strategic approach has to be taken if we are to achieve our goals,” he said.

He said Amerindians have more than 200 villages that are governed by Toshaos (village chiefs) in keeping with the 2006 Amerindian Act instead of the Guyana Constitution. Restating that Amerindians have already leveraged their political clout to 13.8 percent of Guyana and were seeking an additional 25 percent, he said it is clear Village Councils have been established while none has been done in Afro-Guyanese communities. “As much as the constitution states that village councils can be formed, we have been sleeping because others have formed them and others have gained the benefits of them,” he said.

Phillips said it all comes down to leadership, will and strategy to have village councils set up by having the right people with the right thinking to harness oil earnings from the Sovereign Wealth Fund for the development of a green economy. He lamented that Afro-Guyanese were not key players in the current economy and were not positioned to take advantage of the oil economy and political power. “It’s peripheral and it’s not going to get better because Guyana will now attract some of the top class firms in the world who will not only miniaturise our current private sector, much less ours, we don’t have one,” he said.

He appealed to Afro-Guyanese not to believe that they stood to benefit economically because their party was now in power. At the same time, he expressed concern that steps were not being taken to take advantage of Afro-Guyanese experts in government to craft a village-based plan. “We have all the people in Guyana who are African who can be abstracted and asked to come together to develop a strategic plan for African Guyanese that is based on villages that are managed by village councils but yet we don’t have that,” he said.

Phillips, whose African Cultural and Development Association (ACDA), had strongly objected to the structure and representation of IDPADA-G, bemoaned the presence of “all sorts of structures, all sorts of leaders” but “not the right kind” who would align themselves with governments’s policies, programmes, Sovereign Wealth Fund and renewable energy sources. He also cited the need to leverage the churches, which is the largest block of African Guyanese, by threatening the political leaders in the same way Amerindians do in the area of land acquisition.

The Reparations Committee, he said, presented government two plans in 2015 and 2016 including recommendations for African Business Councils in the 10 administrative regions, Village Movement Business Trust in each village, Village Credit Unions, and an African Think-Tank for the 10 key sectors. “It is not that we don’t know what we need to do. We have enough brilliance in Guyana among our people to solve our problems but we are disunited and not well led,” he said.

Alexander hinted at the need for a “collective approach” by IDPADA-G and the Reparations Committee or a “mutual understanding of the differences” if they persist. He stressed that IDPADA-G  is a country coordinating mechanism for the United Nations-designated decade- 2015-2014. “We are working with your organisations. We are not an organisation that stands in competition with or to your organisations. Our role is to bring all together and to try to get the community to collectively move forward,” he said.

History Professor, Melissa Ifill recalled that by 1850, 12 years after full emancipation, African Guyanese had bought a total of 16,840 acres of land on which 32,00 persons had been living. Issues that had dogged the villages for years had been unsatisfactory drainage and irrigation, sea defence, and road and bridge repairs, and discrimination in accessing loans and grants from banks and government.

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Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

V

Chairman of the Guyana Reparations Committee, Eric Phillips cautioned that if village councils were reestablished on the coastland under the Guyana Constitution,  they would run into conflicts with then NDCs over land management. He said the solution is for 18 percent of Guyana to be allocated to Afro-Guyanese and setting up of a perpetual trust, in keeping with the draft Guyana Reparations Ancestral Rights Bill that he hoped would be dispatched to the House. 

He said Amerindians have more than 200 villages that are governed by Toshaos (village chiefs) in keeping with the 2006 Amerindian Act instead of the Guyana Constitution. Restating that Amerindians have already leveraged their political clout to 13.8 percent of Guyana and were seeking an additional 25 percent, he said it is clear Village Councils have been established while none has been done in Afro-Guyanese communities.

 

Where did 18% come from? Why not ask for 25%?

jes asking

V

Gud if they want village council, but each village council taxes must only be spend for the said neighbourhood.

That’s when they will know where barley is growing”. .. what your thought about this, Django... I man see you run from this thread. 

FM
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

i’m not on board with this reparations waste-of-time stuff

but why are you making things up and spray painting them as ‘questions’ to create fake ‘realities’ for spurious conversations pitting Afro-Guyanese against Indos and Amerindians?

invidious much?

smfh

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

i’m not on board with this reparations waste-of-time stuff

but why are you making things up and spray painting them as ‘questions’ to create fake ‘realities’ for spurious conversations pitting Afro-Guyanese against Indos and Amerindians?

invidious much?

smfh

Bana....before you start swinging the censor hatchet...

YOU not being "on board"...does not mean this plan has not picked up steam..Eric Phillips hair-brained scheme, with borrowed ideas from Professor Hilary Beckles... is alive with credible government supporters..

It is being peddled by an influential and credible organization, a UG professor who is a close advisor to the President, and a GECOM apparatchik with an infatuation for Burnhamism....

...President Granger himself is fully on board...though he understands the racial implications...I suspect...for he sanctioned a commission to look into the land issue a few years back...

Invidious? no

Perfidious? yes   

V

Hey hey hey...dem one love social cohesion PNC bais seh how coolie squat pon dem land and tek it way...hey hey hey. Phillips and he ACDA gang doan know head fram foot and dem want back de Guysuco land. Now it mekkin sense why Granger dem was willing to shut down Guysuco. Hey hey hey. Dem bais seh how coolie rich...hey hey hey.

FM

If this is where Guyana is heading, then this country need to brace itself for more racial divisions.

The government may do well to invest that oil money into small business enterprises, providing 21st century training and skills for a high tech industry, creating a managerial staff (rather than leaving this up to GECOM, which will contribute towards further exploitation and dependency), and finding ways to create a more professional public service, etc...

Credible leaders, even those in the PNC, should condemn this move...

V
Dave posted:

Gud if they want village council, but each village council taxes must only be spend for the said neighbourhood.

That’s when they will know where barley is growing”. .. what your thought about this, Django... I man see you run from this thread. 

I doan worry with Philips and his theory of reparations.

The best managed African village is in WCD, it's combined with two neighboring villages to become an NDC. No one complaining, he should go and learn a thing or two from them.

Django
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

i’m not on board with this reparations waste-of-time stuff

but why are you making things up and spray painting them as ‘questions’ to create fake ‘realities’ for spurious conversations pitting Afro-Guyanese against Indos and Amerindians?

invidious much?

smfh

Bana....before you start swinging the censor hatchet...

YOU not being "on board"...does not mean this plan has not picked up steam..Eric Phillips hair-brained scheme, with borrowed ideas from Professor Hilary Beckles... is alive with credible government supporters..

It is being peddled by an influential and credible organization, a UG professor who is a close advisor to the President, and a GECOM apparatchik with an infatuation for Burnhamism....

...President Granger himself is fully on board...though he understands the racial implications...I suspect...for he sanctioned a commission to look into the land issue a few years back...

Invidious? no

Perfidious? yes   

first, go ask someone literate what the word “censor” means . . . you apparently have no clue but like the more ignorant posting here you feel the compulsion to bray about the subject anyhow

now, please explain what exactly in this “plan” of Eric Philips and crew speaks to a scheme for taking away land from Amerindians and Indians and giving it to Afro-Guyanese

worse, that President Granger is “fully on board” with this PROVOCATIVE and WICKED LIE

btw, what on earth does “Burnhamism” have to do with ACDA’s push for reparations? . . . other than a ploy to infect underinformed Indo-Guyanese with race anxiety and avoid proper scrutiny of your nonsense

labba is another malign, ethnic ‘fabricationist’  . . . a race arsonist with a plan posting here as he pretends with a Janus face in polite society elsewhere

yes VishMahabir, i have taken note of your periodic, ‘shaming’ exhortations for Indo-Guyanese to overthrow the elected Coalition Government by violent means

this pattern of BIG lying and radical race-baiting will bear bitter fruit one day

i sincerely hope you are around, there and then, to reap the dutty harvest

FM
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ronan posted:

btw, what on earth does “Burnhamism” have to do with ACDA’s push for reparations? . . . other than a ploy to infect underinformed Indo-Guyanese with race anxiety and avoid proper scrutiny of your nonsense

labba is another malign, ethnic ‘fabricationist’  . . . a race arsonist with a plan posting here as he pretends with a Janus face in polite society elsewhere

yes VishMahabir, i have taken note of your periodic, ‘shaming’ exhortations for Indo-Guyanese to overthrow the elected Coalition Government by violent means

this pattern of BIG lying and radical race-baiting will bear bitter fruit one day

i sincerely hope you are around, there and then, to reap the dutty harvest

Rowie...how much land yuh want bai?  See dem PNC bais and gyals get nuff land from Jagdoe and dem cryin marginalise. Even Eric musse get he small piece. Hey hey hey...

FM
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

Me na need no reparation rass...me does sell nuff cane juice and peppahs. Hey hey hey...

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

 

Bana....before you start swinging the censor hatchet...

YOU not being "on board"...does not mean this plan has not picked up steam..Eric Phillips hair-brained scheme, with borrowed ideas from Professor Hilary Beckles... is alive with credible government supporters..

It is being peddled by an influential and credible organization, a UG professor who is a close advisor to the President, and a GECOM apparatchik with an infatuation for Burnhamism....

...President Granger himself is fully on board...though he understands the racial implications...I suspect...for he sanctioned a commission to look into the land issue a few years back...

Invidious? no

Perfidious? yes   

first, go ask someone literate what the word “censor” means . . . you apparently have no clue but like the more ignorant posting here you feel the compulsion to bray about the subject anyhow

 

Banna,

...you are at your finest with your gifted oratorical constructs when you take on the Indo “shakebatty”

…please explain what exactly in this “plan” of Eric Philips and crew speaks to a scheme for taking away land from Amerindians and Indians and giving it to Afro-Guyanese…

I simply ask a question...based on the comments of the members of the Village Movement Symposium...

Now,  you are being coy…or you know more than you care to let out...

Perhaps you can explain this statement for us simpletons and lesser mortals...:

He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.

Do your research…Phillips has been very vocal about his plans….start by reading this news article above..

On Granger:

Land Rights Commission sworn in -President urges Commissioners to take mandate seriously

https://motp.gov.gy/index.php/...ke-mandate-seriously

AND...when you done...explain how with a demographically small population like Guyana, with land galore for everyone..how this kind of brazen and idle talk is going to promote SOCIAL COHESION...in a country already on the brink...

V
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

 

Bana....before you start swinging the censor hatchet...

YOU not being "on board"...does not mean this plan has not picked up steam..Eric Phillips hair-brained scheme, with borrowed ideas from Professor Hilary Beckles... is alive with credible government supporters..

It is being peddled by an influential and credible organization, a UG professor who is a close advisor to the President, and a GECOM apparatchik with an infatuation for Burnhamism....

...President Granger himself is fully on board...though he understands the racial implications...I suspect...for he sanctioned a commission to look into the land issue a few years back...

Invidious? no

Perfidious? yes   

first, go ask someone literate what the word “censor” means . . . you apparently have no clue but like the more ignorant posting here you feel the compulsion to bray about the subject anyhow

 

Banna,

...you are at your finest with your gifted oratorical constructs when you take on the Indo “shakebatty”

…please explain what exactly in this “plan” of Eric Philips and crew speaks to a scheme for taking away land from Amerindians and Indians and giving it to Afro-Guyanese…

I simply ask a question...based on the comments of the members of the Village Movement Symposium...

Now,  you are being coy…or you know more than you care to let out...

Perhaps you can explain this statement for us simpletons and lesser mortals...:

He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.

Do your research…Phillips has been very vocal about his plans….start by reading this news article above..

On Granger:

Land Rights Commission sworn in -President urges Commissioners to take mandate seriously

https://motp.gov.gy/index.php/...ke-mandate-seriously

AND...when you done...explain how with a demographically small population like Guyana, with land galore for everyone..how this kind of brazen and idle talk is going to promote SOCIAL COHESION...in a country already on the brink...

you are right about Phillips on every point stated. He is toxic. He is a liar, a revisionist and sell his faux history with the conviction of a saint poisoning the minds of good people.  Hardly anything he says stands up to criticism. 

FM

Sounds like partition. I say let the Blacks choose their borders and leh the ppl get on wid their lives. Getting their share of Guyana in different locations is a recipe for strife. They deserve their land and the assurance of having a homogenous society that gaurantees a representative government of their population. If Eric Phiips wants anything in Guyana he will get it, the country does not have a nationalist aspiration.

S
VishMahabir posted:

Perhaps you can explain this statement ...:

He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.

Do your research…Phillips has been very vocal about his plans….start by reading this news article above.

the “statement” causing so much tsuris and ignorant commentary by you and others light-thinking here is a claim that majority-rule decision making by NDCs where Afro villages are a minority results in discrimination by the Indo-dominated councils

it is a call for devolution of powers so that neglect can be mitigated

this may not be practical or sensible, but it is hardly an appeal to disposses  Indo-Guyanese

learn to read, STUDY and properly digest big-people material like a responsible adult before opening your trap, doing a fine imitation of an unthinking, excited schoolgirl . . . making a complete jackass of yourself

his plans” . . . huh?

what on earth is wrong with you people?

smfh

FM
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For the East Indian and Dougla people of Guyana this is the most dangerous article I have ever read on Gn&I. It signals the future ahead. Our only workable solution is for the peaceful creation of an independent sovereign country.

Prashad
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Hey hey hey...Phillips seh how he want 18% land foh he peopkle. Hehehe...hey hey hey. De problem is de whole coast where de slaveing happen is less dan 5% of Guyana. Den yuh gat dem Indos gat a tiny fraction...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get .

FM
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

Nah...is dem ACDA aka PNC social cohesion/one love bais who seh dat coolie NDC a oppress dem. Hey hey hey...a juss mekkin fun of dem jokers like Phillips...ahem...Doctor Phillips...hey hey hey. Suh when dem plannin foh chase dem Indos into de Atlantic? Hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

Nah...is dem ACDA aka PNC social cohesion/one love bais who seh dat coolie NDC a oppress dem. Hey hey hey...a juss mekkin fun of dem jokers like Phillips...ahem...Doctor Phillips...hey hey hey. Suh when dem plannin foh chase dem Indos into de Atlantic? Hey hey hey...

soooo, Black people complaining that Indo-led NDCs are discriminating against Afro villages is now a call to “chase dem Indos into de Atlantic” . . . hmmmm ?

alyuh race baiting become such a normal part of alyuh discourse that even off the rails none of y’all does even pause, much less say “whoa”!! 

how many ways can we measure contempt bai?

FM
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ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

I want to know where he lied. This land commission and the advocacy of Phillips is wha will put a wedge between Amerindians and Granger. He thinks he can take the hit because he is completely disinterested in our concerns.

Philips said the Wai Wais and Wapishans are interlopers. He said Blacks are the original settlers of the new world so they are the indigenous . He claimed Amerinds got all the land they should get and actually deserved less. He advocates shutting down land demarcation. The Granger seems to agree and  shut down the land titling process. He also  linked native land rights with the supposed  loss of black people of their villages. Indians get the blame here.

The idea of some village system that managed black lives better than a democratic system is bull crap. Indians similarly have visions of the perfect village system or the panchayat that could act to rehabilitate Indian cultures and I say bunk to that as well. We do not want to step backward but forward. We do not want to create bantustans but a democratic society. Where there are unfair advantages afforded one group we can coerce consensus by providing the disadvantaged group with a minority veto.

Lots of things can be done other selling these imagined systems of a bygone time when black people gained paramount governing in their lives and it was a "village" system. This is  revisionist a false history, a kind of fantasy to gain imagined homelands that black people deserve.

FM
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

I want to know where he lied. This land commission and the advocacy of Phillips is wha will put a wedge between Amerindians and Granger. He thinks he can take the hit because he is completely disinterested in our concerns.

Philips said the Wai Wais and Wapishans are interlopers. He said Blacks are the original settlers of the new world so they are the indigenous . He claimed Amerinds got all the land they should get and actually deserved less. He advocates shutting down land demarcation. The Granger seems to agree and  shut down the land titling process. He also  linked native land rights with the supposed  loss of black people of their villages. Indians get the blame here.

The idea of some village system that managed black lives better than a democratic system is bull crap. Indians similarly have visions of the perfect village system or the panchayat that could act to rehabilitate Indian cultures and I say bunk to that as well. We do not want to step backward but forward. We do not want to create bantustans but a democratic society. Where there are unfair advantages afforded one group we can coerce consensus by providing the disadvantaged group with a minority veto.

Lots of things can be done other selling these imagined systems of a bygone time when black people gained paramount governing in their lives and it was a "village" system. This is  revisionist a false history, a kind of fantasy to gain imagined homelands that black people deserve.

Yea...deh fake fake history. Pack a jokers. Me see Phillips dey quoting some bogus anthropologist who seh nuff Amerindian was not there befo blackman...den dem gat a good set of blackman who come to Guyana after slavery as indenture...hey hey hey. Me start crack up when be hear what "Doctor" Phillips seh...hey hey hey. Now dem blaming Indos. When dem get de land and abie get more Globe Trust...is more blame foh Indos...hey hey hey. De PNC Globe Truss big wig dem drink 15 year ole and red wine and cognac on de poor black people money and cause de bank foh fail. Guess who dem blame? PPP coolie 

De whole idea dat blackman can prosper economic is crazy without de bigger market. Abie need everybady foh buy from everybody. Dem study fake histry. Dem would know betta if dem read Rodney. Hey hey hey...Imagine if two coolie people deh seh what Phillips and ACDA aka PNC deh seh bout blackman. De sky would fall down by now and Snowie Rowie and CaribJ would be full blass. Hey hey hey. 

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

Ah right here bro...and ah movin on too because there is nothing here for me to learn...

Your defense of these race-baiters (Philips et al) only shows where your loyalty lies and it exposing your “slip”...Guyana belongs to everyone...not this dysfunctional lot on a grand scheme to empower themselves at the expense of their other brothers and sisters because "reparations must come at what cost" or because "we were robbed and suffered more"

...these protagonists fully know (and so do you!) that those in opposition are not in a position to object to their facetious plan...so they keep marching on like soldiers...   

Aside from Philips, Guyanese should take a closer look at the actions of Vincent Alexander (who has taken on the responsibility of keeping Burnham legacy alive), now in cahoots with Eric, and who sits on GECOM...I suspect there are much broader implications here...

Now to you....your usually non-biased neutral trite designed to “bring sense to the lot here” is now in serious jeopardy…you have  metamorphosed into the race-haters you rightfully complain about...except that you are on the opposite side of the coin...

we watching you too...

V
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

Ah right here bro...and ah movin on too because there is nothing here for me to learn...

Your defense of these race-baiters (Philips et al) only shows where your loyalty lies and it exposing your “slip”...Guyana belongs to everyone...not this dysfunctional lot on a grand scheme to empower themselves at the expense of their other brothers and sisters because "reparations must come at what cost" or because "we were robbed and suffered more"

...these protagonists fully know (and so do you!) that those in opposition are not in a position to object to their facetious plan...so they keep marching on like soldiers...   

Aside from Philips, Guyanese should take a closer look at the actions of Vincent Alexander (who has taken on the responsibility of keeping Burnham legacy alive), now in cahoots with Eric, and who sits on GECOM...I suspect there are much broader implications here...

Now to you....your usually non-biased neutral trite designed to “bring sense to the lot here” is now in serious jeopardy…you have  metamorphosed into the race-haters you rightfully complain about...except that you are on the opposite side of the coin...

we watching you too...

long ass diatribe in non sequitur land about ACDA ‘personalities’ and their failings to cover your LIARD, race-baiting tracks

you refute NOTHING i posted! . . . babbling inanely about “plan”

simply embarrassed getting caught with yuh panties down

suh g’wan dahside with yuh EXPOSED, ignar, mealy-mouthed self

FM
Labba posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

I want to know where he lied. This land commission and the advocacy of Phillips is wha will put a wedge between Amerindians and Granger. He thinks he can take the hit because he is completely disinterested in our concerns.

Philips said the Wai Wais and Wapishans are interlopers. He said Blacks are the original settlers of the new world so they are the indigenous . He claimed Amerinds got all the land they should get and actually deserved less. He advocates shutting down land demarcation. The Granger seems to agree and  shut down the land titling process. He also  linked native land rights with the supposed  loss of black people of their villages. Indians get the blame here.

The idea of some village system that managed black lives better than a democratic system is bull crap. Indians similarly have visions of the perfect village system or the panchayat that could act to rehabilitate Indian cultures and I say bunk to that as well. We do not want to step backward but forward. We do not want to create bantustans but a democratic society. Where there are unfair advantages afforded one group we can coerce consensus by providing the disadvantaged group with a minority veto.

Lots of things can be done other selling these imagined systems of a bygone time when black people gained paramount governing in their lives and it was a "village" system. This is  revisionist a false history, a kind of fantasy to gain imagined homelands that black people deserve.

Yea...deh fake fake history. Pack a jokers. Me see Phillips dey quoting some bogus anthropologist who seh nuff Amerindian was not there befo blackman...den dem gat a good set of blackman who come to Guyana after slavery as indenture...hey hey hey. Me start crack up when be hear what "Doctor" Phillips seh...hey hey hey. Now dem blaming Indos. When dem get de land and abie get more Globe Trust...is more blame foh Indos...hey hey hey. De PNC Globe Truss big wig dem drink 15 year ole and red wine and cognac on de poor black people money and cause de bank foh fail. Guess who dem blame? PPP coolie 

De whole idea dat blackman can prosper economic is crazy without de bigger market. Abie need everybady foh buy from everybody. Dem study fake histry. Dem would know betta if dem read Rodney. Hey hey hey...Imagine if two coolie people deh seh what Phillips and ACDA aka PNC deh seh bout blackman. De sky would fall down by now and Snowie Rowie and CaribJ would be full blass. Hey hey hey. 

all dis scattershot buse down of people i doan know juss because i point out alyuh race bait reflex

oh my

FM

 Ronan, did ACDA refuse an interview  with you. 

I believe you are on GNI to air your flowery words, as no other forum give a crap about your opinions and wants listen to your part of speech. 

FM
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

I want to know where he lied. This land commission and the advocacy of Phillips is wha will put a wedge between Amerindians and Granger. He thinks he can take the hit because he is completely disinterested in our concerns.

Philips said the Wai Wais and Wapishans are interlopers. He said Blacks are the original settlers of the new world so they are the indigenous . He claimed Amerinds got all the land they should get and actually deserved less. He advocates shutting down land demarcation. The Granger seems to agree and  shut down the land titling process. He also  linked native land rights with the supposed  loss of black people of their villages. Indians get the blame here.

The idea of some village system that managed black lives better than a democratic system is bull crap. Indians similarly have visions of the perfect village system or the panchayat that could act to rehabilitate Indian cultures and I say bunk to that as well. We do not want to step backward but forward. We do not want to create bantustans but a democratic society. Where there are unfair advantages afforded one group we can coerce consensus by providing the disadvantaged group with a minority veto.

Lots of things can be done other selling these imagined systems of a bygone time when black people gained paramount governing in their lives and it was a "village" system. This is  revisionist a false history, a kind of fantasy to gain imagined homelands that black people deserve.

this thread is NOT about the Land Commission and the Granger stupidity in not setting it up as a stand alone

the reporting on the reparations pow wow that is the subject of our discussion here addressed ONLY the village council/NDC issue and complaints related thereto

you have a lot of nerve to come here with the RECORD flush in your face and ask about LIE!!?

VishMahabir, with a dash of smartman ‘question’ jiu jitsu, reified the absurd and DANGEROUS FALSEHOOD that the reparations conference articulated a plan or suggested intent to take land away from Indos and Amerindians and give it to Afro-Guyanese

he then doubled down on the BIG LIE, descending further into the stinking race bait sewer, averring that President Granger was “fully on board” with this “plan” to dispossess a majority of Guyanese and transfer the spoils to his African ‘tribe’

you co-sign this sh!t

tell your ‘student’ friend that there is NO “neutral” for me when confronting racist EVIL

nothing more needs to be said

FM
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ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

Ah right here bro...and ah movin on too because there is nothing here for me to learn...

Your defense of these race-baiters (Philips et al) only shows where your loyalty lies and it exposing your “slip”...Guyana belongs to everyone...not this dysfunctional lot on a grand scheme to empower themselves at the expense of their other brothers and sisters because "reparations must come at what cost" or because "we were robbed and suffered more"

...these protagonists fully know (and so do you!) that those in opposition are not in a position to object to their facetious plan...so they keep marching on like soldiers...   

Aside from Philips, Guyanese should take a closer look at the actions of Vincent Alexander (who has taken on the responsibility of keeping Burnham legacy alive), now in cahoots with Eric, and who sits on GECOM...I suspect there are much broader implications here...

Now to you....your usually non-biased neutral trite designed to “bring sense to the lot here” is now in serious jeopardy…you have  metamorphosed into the race-haters you rightfully complain about...except that you are on the opposite side of the coin...

we watching you too...

long ass diatribe in non sequitur land about ACDA ‘personalities’ and their failings to cover your LIARD, race-baiting tracks

you refute NOTHING i posted! . . . babbling inanely about “plan”

simply embarrassed getting caught with yuh panties down

suh g’wan dahside with yuh EXPOSED, ignar, mealy-mouthed self

You need to step out of that bubble...too much CO2 not good for you.

V
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

 Hehehe...hey hey hey ...like dem one love bais from PNC aka ACDA want drive dem coolie peopkle in de Atlantic. Me wonder how much land green salipenta and Snowie will get.

VishMahabir done get he feet cut off from under him on this thread after posting a bundle of lies and racist provocation

while he getting fitted with prostheses for his stumps, you find it amusing to come here and register your contempt for Black people

carry on

I want to know where he lied. This land commission and the advocacy of Phillips is wha will put a wedge between Amerindians and Granger. He thinks he can take the hit because he is completely disinterested in our concerns.

Philips said the Wai Wais and Wapishans are interlopers. He said Blacks are the original settlers of the new world so they are the indigenous . He claimed Amerinds got all the land they should get and actually deserved less. He advocates shutting down land demarcation. The Granger seems to agree and  shut down the land titling process. He also  linked native land rights with the supposed  loss of black people of their villages. Indians get the blame here.

The idea of some village system that managed black lives better than a democratic system is bull crap. Indians similarly have visions of the perfect village system or the panchayat that could act to rehabilitate Indian cultures and I say bunk to that as well. We do not want to step backward but forward. We do not want to create bantustans but a democratic society. Where there are unfair advantages afforded one group we can coerce consensus by providing the disadvantaged group with a minority veto.

Lots of things can be done other selling these imagined systems of a bygone time when black people gained paramount governing in their lives and it was a "village" system. This is  revisionist a false history, a kind of fantasy to gain imagined homelands that black people deserve.

this thread is NOT about the Land Commission and the Granger stupidity in not setting it up as a stand alone

the reporting on the reparations pow wow that is the subject of our discussion here addressed ONLY the village council/NDC issue and complaints related thereto

you have a lot of nerve to come here with the RECORD flush in your face and ask about LIE!!?

VishMahabir, with a dash of smartman ‘question’ jiu jitsu, reified the absurd and DANGEROUS FALSEHOOD that the reparations conference articulated a plan or suggested intent to take land away from Indos and Amerindians and give it to Afro-Guyanese

he then doubled down on the BIG LIE, descending further into the stinking race bait sewer, averring that President Granger was “fully on board” with this “plan” to dispossess a majority of Guyanese and transfer the spoils to his African ‘tribe’

you co-sign this sh!t

tell your ‘student’ friend that there is NO “neutral” for me when confronting racist EVIL

nothing more needs to be said

First, I or my people do not owe Africans reparations. The british owe them that. Sue the Brits. There can be no retroactive reallocation of the land space to appropriate or apportion it such that some part of it is reparations to African loss. Britain, did not make any such agreement when it give all of the people independence as equal subjects ( oppressed as we were). We became co equal owners of the communal space once held by Britain. Insisting retroactively that the citizens of the state must pay grievance wages to Africans from our current national bequeathment is untenable

 BTW Britain did make an agreement with the Dutch to honor all treaties and claims they made with Amerindians. And Britain did make contingent with Independence, the rights of Amerindians to their land claims. Anex C of the independence agreement details that special consideration prior to the founding of the state.

You said he lie. I asked where. I think he is completely on the mark with Philips and anyone else  who asks for a bounty to be place on our collective heads for injustices done to Africans during slavery. The idea that it could be removed from as a burden of the brits and be asked of the rest of us as restorative justice to Africans is atrocious  and unjust. Any such suggestion/advocacy/demands are to be met head on acknowledged for what it is;  political  a shakedown.

I am not flush in the face or elsewhere about anything. Phillips is to us Amerindians a malignant tumor threatening to metastasize via the the dangerous memes about African indigeneity,  that Amerindians have already been awarded their due and  that we collectively owe Africans. That is the lie that matters.

Granger...unilaterally dissolved the land titling protocol. ( and it was not a financial cost to the state). He then associated it with the Ancestral rights claims of ACDA. That is the reason Shuman decided to enter the political arena and the reason Amerindians should be wary of what a Granger government entails. Remember he met with 30 or more heads of state including the queen and let more than two years into his tenure stream by without meeting the Amerindian council. I have no qualms to say he is not trustworthy to us.

FM
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Stormborn posted:

First, I or my people do not owe Africans reparations. The british owe them that. Sue the Brits. There can be no retroactive reallocation of the land space to appropriate or apportion it such that some part of it is reparations to African loss. Britain, did not make any such agreement when it give all of the people independence as equal subjects ( oppressed as we were). We became co equal owners of the communal space once held by Britain. Insisting retroactively that the citizens of the state must pay grievance wages to Africans from our current national bequeathment is untenable

 BTW Britain did make an agreement with the Dutch to honor all treaties and claims they made with Amerindians. And Britain did make contingent with Independence, the rights of Amerindians to their land claims. Anex C of the independence agreement details that special consideration prior to the founding of the state.

You said he lie. I asked where. I think he is completely on the mark with Philips . . .

i agree with you that no Guyanese owes African-Guyanese reparations

i am not a 21st Century supporter of reparations for African slavery

so, what of it . . . what exactly are you tilting at, in context?

my takedown of VishMahabir and his lies had NOTHING to do with the merit(s) of such an assertion . . . and you bloody well know that!

this is a diversionary issue that does not belong on this thread

let me re-direct, again . . . i said he lied about what was tabled at the conference, he lied about what was presented and the presenters, and he lied about President Granger

to hijack and pretend that this is about the character and politics of Eric Philips is pure scampishness and the coward move of someone who ignorantly inserted himself into a conversation where he had no business, and painted himself into a corner with no ego-satisfying means of retreat

i suppose your next move will be to regale us with a detailed history of Amerindian settlement in Guyana rebutting “Eric Philips” in furtherance of this dance towards a change of subject

strawman tactics for idiots

smfh

FM

Tell me what he lied about.  And I do not mind elaborating on our history pre 1492 to now.

I do not wish to change any subject. I would gladly entertain your grievance if you let me know them. You said the fellow lied about a few things. I still wondered what it is.

Philips has said more than once Indians stole Village land the commission is to find a solution. There can only be one...find those scoundrel Indians and take back the land! He advocate denying Wai Wai and Wapishans land rights because they are interlopers. I guess to do that  you have to take back what was allocated to them. As I said, Granger shut down the land titling process. Means he is on board.

FM
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Stormborn posted:

Tell me what he lied about.  And I do not mind elaborating on our history pre 1492 to now.

I do not wish to change any subject. I would gladly entertain your grievance if you let me know them. You said the fellow lied about a few things. I still wondered what it is.

Philips has said more than once Indians stole Village land the commission is to find a solution. There can only be one...find those scoundrel Indians and take back the land! He advocate denying Wai Wai and Wapishans land rights because they are interlopers. I guess to do that  you have to take back what was allocated to them. As I said, Granger shut down the land titling process. Means he is on board.

Is not only "doctor" Phillips seh Indo tek black peopkle land. Dem big high up man like Greenidge seh de same ting 

FM
Stormborn posted:

Tell me what he lied about.

again, he lied about the agenda and what was reported at the reparations conference . . . even [re]posted the reporting and boldly challenged me to READ it

reality step in after i pointed out what a jackass he was in his misinterpretation, and then he shut up

i am not revealing anything you don’t already know  . . . one just needs to peruse the early postings on this thread

now banna tek a seat and stop wasting my time

FM
Labba posted:

Is not only "doctor" Phillips seh Indo tek black peopkle land. Dem big high up man like Greenidge seh de same ting 

i am assuming that this is a separate matter, a legal matter?, external to “reparations” or NDC discrimination or Amerindian land titling . . . rite?

keep peltin alyuh scrapings from de Indo/Blackman sore bai, something gotta stick sometime

the calculus at Freedom House still predicts a net benefit i understand

i’m sure there is plenty more in yuh ‘contempt’ calabash where that pus-laden shyte came from

smfh

FM
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ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

Tell me what he lied about.

again, he lied about the agenda and what was reported at the reparations conference . . . even [re]posted the reporting and boldly challenged me to READ it

reality step in after i pointed out what a jackass he was in his misinterpretation, and then he shut up

i am not revealing anything you don’t already know  . . . one just needs to peruse the early postings on this thread

now banna tek a seat and stop wasting my time

You are wasting your time not me. I am hard press to find any distortions from the stated agenda. ...get land...indians stole some....establish a mythical "village system" because Amerindians used it to get land ( ignorant peddling of nonsense). Phillips represents a beehive of vengeful malevolence and his focus is   on Indians and Amerindians as the bane of his mythical plans.

Also, I never sit unless I so decide

FM
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

Tell me what he lied about.

again, he lied about the agenda and what was reported at the reparations conference . . . even [re]posted the reporting and boldly challenged me to READ it

reality step in after i pointed out what a jackass he was in his misinterpretation, and then he shut up

i am not revealing anything you don’t already know  . . . one just needs to peruse the early postings on this thread

now banna tek a seat and stop wasting my time

You are wasting your time not me. I am hard press to find any distortions from the stated agenda. ...get land...indians stole some....establish a mythical "village system" because Amerindians used it to get land ( ignorant peddling of nonsense). Phillips represents a beehive of vengeful malevolence and his focus is   on Indians and Amerindians as the bane of his mythical plans.

Also, I never sit unless I so decide

awwww shaddup and [decide to] sit your butt down senor wandering all ova de place not-so-clever

the below was Vishmahabir’s ‘challenge’ to me that properly opened him up to deserved ridicule:

Vish: Perhaps you can explain this statement for us simpletons and lesser mortals...:”

“He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.”

not smart picking up fire rage for the wrong people and being left to twist in the wind by the initiator who recognized long ago that he simply cannot defend his shyte

you now left to generate endless smoke to camouflage wan desperate and stupid ego-deflating situation

memo: - hollering loud and in earnest “but i despise Eric Philips” is not a winning argument

smfh

FM
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ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

awwww shaddup and [decide to] sit your butt down senor wandering all ova de place not-so-clever

the below was Vishmahabir’s ‘challenge’ to me that properly opened him up to deserved ridicule:

Vish: Perhaps you can explain this statement for us simpletons and lesser mortals...:”

“He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.”

not smart picking up fire rage for the wrong people and being left to twist in the wind by the initiator who recognized long ago that he simply cannot defend his shyte

you now left to generate endless smoke to camouflage wan desperate and stupid ego-deflating situation

memo: - hollering loud and in earnest “but i despise Eric Philips” is not a winning argument

smfh

Storm...

you better off not responding sometimes...

Ronan has an oratorical gift, far outmatching anyone here...

But in his world view the PNC and their supporters must be defended at all costs, he has a fetish for "racial issues" and when he is not obfuscating, he resorts to belittling and cussin...not unlike the people he rails against here...

He fully well knows what we are saying...

 

V

I have been off for a few days but I can understand the concerns from both sides. The African committee is not calling for Lands to be taken from Indos but is lobbying for lands and greater control of lands for Afro. 

Indos should not be concerned since Afros did not have their fair share of lands. Carib mention about how estates flooded farming lands belonging to Afros and as such those lands were abandoned. 

We need to address this issue if we are to move Guyana forward and include Afros as equal partners. 

FM
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

Tell me what he lied about.

again, he lied about the agenda and what was reported at the reparations conference . . . even [re]posted the reporting and boldly challenged me to READ it

reality step in after i pointed out what a jackass he was in his misinterpretation, and then he shut up

i am not revealing anything you don’t already know  . . . one just needs to peruse the early postings on this thread

now banna tek a seat and stop wasting my time

You are wasting your time not me. I am hard press to find any distortions from the stated agenda. ...get land...indians stole some....establish a mythical "village system" because Amerindians used it to get land ( ignorant peddling of nonsense). Phillips represents a beehive of vengeful malevolence and his focus is   on Indians and Amerindians as the bane of his mythical plans.

Also, I never sit unless I so decide

awwww shaddup and [decide to] sit your butt down senor wandering all ova de place not-so-clever

the below was Vishmahabir’s ‘challenge’ to me that properly opened him up to deserved ridicule:

Vish: Perhaps you can explain this statement for us simpletons and lesser mortals...:”

“He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.”

not smart picking up fire rage for the wrong people and being left to twist in the wind by the initiator who recognized long ago that he simply cannot defend his shyte

you now left to generate endless smoke to camouflage wan desperate and stupid ego-deflating situation

memo: - hollering loud and in earnest “but i despise Eric Philips” is not a winning argument

smfh

You are as scatter brained as  they come. The desire to change the NDC is on the supposition Indians control them and wantonly defraud Afro. That is Philips message. Amerindians have too much land. Africans too little and he aims to get some by championing reparation. Sad truth is he is talking to the wrong crowd. Amerindians will fight tooth and nail for their natural patrimony.

That the proposed village system is a panacea to land control is the thinking of a dunce. I do not hate him. As an Amerindian I think he is irrelevant to our aims.  Africans need us to win the plurality and setting us up as a group you can marginalize and try to rob  is not a smart move

FM
yuji22 posted:

I have been off for a few days but I can understand the concerns from both sides. The African committee is not calling for Lands to be taken from Indos but is lobbying for lands and greater control of lands for Afro. 

Indos should not be concerned since Afros did not have their fair share of lands. Carib mention about how estates flooded farming lands belonging to Afros and as such those lands were abandoned. 

We need to address this issue if we are to move Guyana forward and include Afros as equal partners. 

You have not been following the rhetoric of Philips..

Seeking restorative justice and reparations from the Dutch and British colonials is one thing....no one is opposed to this...

But, it should not come at the expense of promoting greater disharmony between Africans and other Guyanese...Philips plan is based on the fact that some of the land now occupied by others belonged to Africans....how is the land going to be apportioned to Africans if other Guyanese, Amerindians and others currently occupy that ancestral land? Philips and others have not fully explained this process...

so, based upon the rhetoric, is this going to come at the expense of others?      

V
VishMahabir posted:
Philips plan is based on the fact that some of the land now occupied by others belonged to Africans....     

LIE . . . nothing of the sort at the top of the thread

“He explained that the NDC system has resulted in the control of lands being put in the hands of Indo-Guyanese through the NDCs that span several villages. “The problem is in terms of control. Those lands have gone out of the control of people of African descent because the village has now been located in a local authority that is dominated by people of Indian descent so the Council is not reflective of the village. It is reflective of a wide area that now makes decisions for a village which has things that are peculiar to that village so the system is discriminatory, it’s ill-conceived, it’s wrong in so many various ways and it is because of that wrongness that we are assembled here to see how we could address that wrong,” he said.”

if you want a larger conversation on Eric Philips and his praxis, please start a new thread

and stop moving the goalposts . . . it's not manly

FM
Stormborn posted:

The desire to change the NDC is on the supposition Indians control them and wantonly defraud Afro.

fair enough

so, how exactly again does that translate to the irresponsible, invidious, racist, "wanton" blood curdling nonsense you and labba (and to a lesser extent VishM) were prancing around here trying to sell before y'all roof caved in?

nice quiet corner to lick alyuh wounds though

uh huh

FM
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ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

The desire to change the NDC is on the supposition Indians control them and wantonly defraud Afro.

fair enough

so, how exactly again does that translate to the irresponsible, invidious, racist, "wanton" blood curdling nonsense you and labba (and to a lesser extent VishM) were prancing around here trying to sell before y'all roof caved in?

nice quiet corner to lick alyuh wounds though

uh huh

You are wasting adjectives on a nonexistent fact...anyone prancing around spouting racism. The facts are as they stand. Philips want 18 percent of Guyana for the children of former slaves as reparation. The reality is we do not owe anyone a damn thing. Let him talk to the Brits who rode down his ancestors. Worse, he forgot Amerindians were t he first slaves and the brits and others decimated them.

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. But us telling you he said it suddenly transmogrify into racism! You have a vivid imagination about winning fights in your head. One fellow charging windmills come to mind.

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

i’m not on board with this reparations waste-of-time stuff

but why are you making things up and spray painting them as ‘questions’ to create fake ‘realities’ for spurious conversations pitting Afro-Guyanese against Indos and Amerindians?

invidious much?

smfh

I can only wonder where is the evidence that the Afro Guyanese want to take land away from anyone.  My reading of this is that they merely want to have decision about managing a village be made at the village level.  Given that villages in Guyana are inhabited by all sorts of people, and not just Africans not sure where there is a pitting of any group against the other.

The issue is if an African village is surrounded by Indian villages and these villages dominate the NDC then the concern is whether people alien to a given village will have decision making authority over said village.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
 

Bana....before you start swinging the censor hatchet...

YOU not being "on board"...does not mean this plan has not picked up steam..Eric Phillips hair-brained scheme, with borrowed ideas from Professor Hilary Beckles... is alive with credible government supporters..

It is being peddled by an influential and credible organization, a UG professor who is a close advisor to the President, and a GECOM apparatchik with an infatuation for Burnhamism....

...President Granger himself is fully on board...though he understands the racial implications...I suspect...for he sanctioned a commission to look into the land issue a few years back...

Invidious? no

Perfidious? yes   

Eric is a busy man engaged in a large range of activities. His concern is about the impoverished blacks of neglected villages. Villages that were doomed by the actions of the planters and the colonial authorities and as such lost their best and brightest.

Maybe you have an answer to the problem posed by Eric and should communicate with him.  He is quite accessible via FB and other places.

FM
VishMahabir posted:

If this is where Guyana is heading, then this country need to brace itself for more racial divisions.

 

As much as your voice was silent during the PPP era when Indo elites were plotting the demise of Afro Guyanese your sudden interest in "racial divisions" is quite insincere.

Did they only start in May 2015? Hardly not!

FM
Labba posted:
.De whole idea dat blackman can prosper economic is crazy without de bigger market.  

The root of the African ethnic insecurity dilemma isnt about whether Africans will rule or not, despite what Ravi Dev, Stormborn and others think.

They couldn't give 2 figs about who is ruling if they feel that they will have fair access to opportunity. Well the perception that they have is that they do not and this belief remains as active with the Coalition gov't in power as it was under the PPP regime.  And this is why Volda collapsed into her "I gun only hire PNC" nonsense.

Solve this problem and you solve 50% of Guyana's ethnic dilemma.  And I suspect even more as if Indians stop feeling that Africans are restive and resentful they would be less bothered about the ethnic composition of the GDF and the GPF, because face facts, Indians do NOT want those jobs, whereas Africans do.

Regardless as to who supposedly came first we are all here now.  In fact, upsetting Eric's argument many Afro Guyanese are descended from 19thC migration from the West Indies and post slavery migration from West/Central Africa. So are no more entitled to lands than are Amerindians who entered Guyana fleeing Spanish/Portuguese slavers in the 18thC. Yes Arrival Day is AS IMPORTANT to Afro Guyanese as it is to Indo Guyanese!

The issue should be how can Afro Guyanese be made to feel less anxious about their economic circumstances in 2019.  THAT is what ought to be addressed and reparations isnt part of that debate because those who deprived Africans in the 17-19thC no longer live in Guyana. 

That the majority Indo elites might deprive segments of the Afro population of economic opportunity also needs to be seen within the context of the fact that they also deprive grass roots Indians of ditto.   Surveys show that roughly 1/3 of Afro, Indo and mixed identified Guyanese fall under the poverty line. Surveys also show that majority Afro areas have higher % of educated and skilled people than do majority Indo rural areas.

 

FM

In addition Eric can attempt to turn Afro Guyanese into a communal society as he wishes but the reality is that Afro Guyanese (and other descendants of the Trans Atlantic slave trade) are extremely individualistic and suspicious of communal endeavors.  This was even evident during the heyday of the Village Movement as many scholars of that era have discovered.

FM
ronan posted:
 

 

soooo, Black people complaining that Indo-led NDCs are discriminating against Afro villages is now a call to “chase dem Indos into de Atlantic” . . . hmmmm ?

alyuh race baiting become such a normal part of alyuh discourse that even off the rails none of y’all does even pause, much less say “whoa”!! 

how many ways can we measure contempt bai?

Which is why attempts to crush any discussion of the role of Indians in shaping our ethnic dilemmas leads to nonsensical chatter.   We daily hear about all the ills that Afros do to Indians and Ramotar wrote a whole piece of fecal matter a few weeks ago on this topic. He doesnt entertain discussions about alternative narratives on this subject.

Setting up a constitution to guarantee shared governance doesnt address the frustrations of people living in Sophia because the PNC dominated GT City Council is just as happy bulldozing these people's dwellings as trigger happy House Negro Robeson Benn was.  One might suspect that the black elites despise the black poor regardless as to whether their political affiliations lean PNC or PPP!

So let us also examine the behavior of the private sector because I suspect that these are the ones that Afros really feel to be exclusionary.  Thinking only that their behavior becomes even worse under the PPP than it does with the PNC in power.  At least if the PNC is in power, they think, they can go to Volda and "buse she down so she can fix de problem!"  Under Jagdeo, no dice.

I fear that a lumpen proletariat will emerge losing any hope in the system and as oil wealth increase disparities Lord help Guyana.  GT will become Caracas!

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Is not only "doctor" Phillips seh Indo tek black peopkle land. Dem big high up man like Greenidge seh de same ting 

i am assuming that this is a separate matter, a legal matter?, external to “reparations” or NDC discrimination or Amerindian land titling . . . rite?

keep peltin alyuh scrapings from de Indo/Blackman sore bai, something gotta stick sometime

the calculus at Freedom House still predicts a net benefit i understand

i’m sure there is plenty more in yuh ‘contempt’ calabash where that pus-laden shyte came from

smfh

The issue of reparations is conflated with the issue for the need for village governance. Why should a village run by people from a larger village two villages away, and it doesnt matter whether such villages by Afro or Indo.  I cannot imagine that Indo villagers want some PPP hack who doesnt know or care about their needs anymore than do Buxton people want to be dominated by people from majority Indo villages in that NDC.

FM
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yuji22 posted:

 

We need to address this issue if we are to move Guyana forward and include Afros as equal partners. 

One of your grand daughters must have hacked you because this is too rational and sensible a comment from you.

Most Afros want inclusion as do most Indos.  Its perceptions of the LACK of inclusion which underscores our ethnic anxieties.  I dont think that Indos love the PPP nor do Afros love the PNC so much that this is what underlies their fears.  Apparent tribal loyalty is a proxy for the fact that neither group perceives fear treatment, and they vote in hopes that such unfairness will be reduced if ahbe/ahwe in power.

But "ahbe/ahwe doesnt seem to matter much.  Indos accuse the PPP of favoring blacks and the PNC was accused last year of favoring Indians, the reason why votes went to Volda and not Harmon.

FM
Stormborn posted:
 

You are as scatter brained as  they come. The desire to change the NDC is on the supposition Indians control them and wantonly defraud Afro. 

Indians as a race dont however many business elites (majority of them Indian) do.  You need to know how much land is stolen in Guyana by theft and corruption with the poor unable to protect themselves when this happens. 

Not saying that only blacks are victims but when blacks look up and see most wealthy people are Indian and are in lock step with Jagdeo you see where the paranoia comes from.  When poor Indos tie bundle with Jagdeo you see where this paranoia comes from.

Eric isnt responsible for these views. He merely reflects them. Coming up with solutions to the problems of these rural villages is the best way to deal with its.  Its like South Africa.  If the ANC doesnt solve the problem the EFF will.

FM
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Stormborn posted:
d. Philips want 18 percent of Guyana for the children of former slaves as reparation. 

I suggest that you learn some history.  The Dutch hardly enslaved the Amerindians.  They traded with them and Amerindians happily cooperated with the Dutch to capture and return escaped slaves.  This is why Guyana never had the Maroon communities that Suriname developed.

And Amerindians must cease their hypocrisy. Various Amerindian groups invaded, conquered, brutalized and enslaved other Amerindian groups. I get the impression that the Waraus were at the bottom of the pile.  They were NOT all singling happily and playing with each other until the "evil" European arrived.  We all know what the Caribs did to the Tainos in the Caribbean and there were similar behaviors in Guyana.

By the time the British arrived Amerindians had already been decimated by disease or moved away from the coast.  I dont even know how densely populated these areas were in any case prior to the endeavors of the Dutch and the African enslaved peoples to clear, drain and build sea defenses. The brutishness of the British was directed towards the coastal populations of GY.

There are real problems in these villages arising from the legacy of colonialism, just as there are in South Africa.  Where Eric goes wrong is engaging in feats of jealousy towards certain groups.  Africans lost much, but they also gained much, mainly earlier access to education. 

By the early 21st century Africans, Indians and mixed identified people were equally poor, though manifesting their poverty in different ways.  Amerindians easily are the poorest and most excluded and really dont benefit from this land "entrusted" to them.

Eric too must cease his own hypocrisy as when the Coalition took over GT City Council it was blacks who bull dozed blacks and destroyed their stalls, without making alternate arrangements for these people to dwell and earn a living.  Neither Africans nor Indians are a monolithic group and all elites in Guyana have engaged in brutal behavior, not only across ethnic lines but also WITHIN ethnic groups.

I appreciate a more sophisticated analysis and I think that Eric's demands are being conflated by the real concerns of ALL villages that too little decision making occurs within their entities and too much goes to the NDCs which are proving to be quite corrupt and incompetent.

FM
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Stormborn posted:
 

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. d.

And how do you know that no instances of this happened. Here is how this could have happened. NDC officialdom find some excuse to penalize some small landowner and suddenly a wealthy man takes control.  This through corruption.

You know enough to know that in Guyana when such transaction involves an PPP controlled NDC where the small landowner is black and the rich beneficiary is Indian how this will be interpreted by the black villagers and what they will run and tell Eric.

Understand this. Eric didn't go to them.  They went to Eric when tehy saw that Corbin was inept and a Jagdeo stooge.  And now a narrative developed because the PPP ignored this issue just as Forbes Burnham did in his time.  Of course the people around today weren't around during the Burnham era so all they know is what happened to them when the PPP was in power.  Burnham died 34 years ago and the average Guyanese isnt even that age.

FM
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You call that crippled attempt at freestyle haiku oratorical? I called that scatterbrained, incoherent mumbling, with nonsensical arcane references that is known only to himself where plain English would do.

He is yet to explain where VM spoke out of turn or where the Agenda at that meeting was not leveraging blame and insisting the woes of black people was all at the hands of Indians who are apt at stealing land via the NDC.

 

FM
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caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. d.

And how do you know that no instances of this happened. Here is how this could have happened. NDC officialdom find some excuse to penalize some small landowner and suddenly a wealthy man takes control.  This through corruption.

You know enough to know that in Guyana when such transaction involves an PPP controlled NDC where the small landowner is black and the rich beneficiary is Indian how this will be interpreted by the black villagers and what they will run and tell Eric.

Understand this. Eric didn't go to them.  They went to Eric when tehy saw that Corbin was inept and a Jagdeo stooge.  And now a narrative developed because the PPP ignored this issue just as Forbes Burnham did in his time.  Of course the people around today weren't around during the Burnham era so all they know is what happened to them when the PPP was in power.  Burnham died 34 years ago and the average Guyanese isnt even that age.

There is a difference in the statement Indians marginalized blacks by stealing their land and some land were stolen by crooked people. If that is the case then use the commission to reveal the losses and demand them back. Do not say that "Indians" stole land when most Indians are poorer than church mice.

I am form the Corentyne and 90 percent of the people there own barely more than the land they live on. The 40 percent or so Indians in deep poverty themselves need land. The few with land have been our traditional rich folks like the Hanomans who inherited their property from hardworking grandparents. I do not know any black person there whose land was stolen so that is almost a third of the country where it did not happen.

The blanked statement of Africans are in poverty because they lack a village system is also bunk. 90 percent of black people do not want to go back to living in any commune run by sainted elders. The notion of getting 18 % of the land from the state and housing it under some regime of this sort abject crap. That aint happening. Phillips needed to use his chance at an ivy league education to get a degree in economics because he is failing miserably as a historian and organizer.

And yes, I believe the PPP give their friends and family access to land easily. There again the PPP represent themselves and their perfidious clan not "Indians" in general. Phillips and his clan are poisoning the minds of black folks against Indians. And I have not addressed his lies against Amerindians.

FM
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caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
d. Philips want 18 percent of Guyana for the children of former slaves as reparation. 

I suggest that you learn some history.  The Dutch hardly enslaved the Amerindians.  They traded with them and Amerindians happily cooperated with the Dutch to capture and return escaped slaves.  This is why Guyana never had the Maroon communities that Suriname developed.

And Amerindians must cease their hypocrisy. Various Amerindian groups invaded, conquered, brutalized and enslaved other Amerindian groups. I get the impression that the Waraus were at the bottom of the pile.  They were NOT all singling happily and playing with each other until the "evil" European arrived.  We all know what the Caribs did to the Tainos in the Caribbean and there were similar behaviors in Guyana.

By the time the British arrived Amerindians had already been decimated by disease or moved away from the coast.  I dont even know how densely populated these areas were in any case prior to the endeavors of the Dutch and the African enslaved peoples to clear, drain and build sea defenses. The brutishness of the British was directed towards the coastal populations of GY.

There are real problems in these villages arising from the legacy of colonialism, just as there are in South Africa.  Where Eric goes wrong is engaging in feats of jealousy towards certain groups.  Africans lost much, but they also gained much, mainly earlier access to education. 

By the early 21st century Africans, Indians and mixed identified people were equally poor, though manifesting their poverty in different ways.  Amerindians easily are the poorest and most excluded and really dont benefit from this land "entrusted" to them.

Eric too must cease his own hypocrisy as when the Coalition took over GT City Council it was blacks who bull dozed blacks and destroyed their stalls, without making alternate arrangements for these people to dwell and earn a living.  Neither Africans nor Indians are a monolithic group and all elites in Guyana have engaged in brutal behavior, not only across ethnic lines but also WITHIN ethnic groups.

I appreciate a more sophisticated analysis and I think that Eric's demands are being conflated by the real concerns of ALL villages that too little decision making occurs within their entities and too much goes to the NDCs which are proving to be quite corrupt and incompetent.

Amerindians were enslaved and their land taken whole scale. Those are the facts about how they came under the dominion of alien powers. Being "allowed" to stay within these dominions and earning their keep at the dispensation of the new suzerains was not their way. Forced to comply or die is enforced slavery.

It is amazing how Africa is considered of Africans because that is who lived there and no one ever disputed Kilimanjaro for example is not African because Africans did not inhabit the place. There is a famous tale of a Columbia archaeologists who surveyed the plains at the foothills of the Andes near Bolivia and concluded the people there were impoverished primitives who recently moved there.

It took aircraft surveyed that these people were the original inhabitants and the were not primitive people but remnants of a once vast culture that created the world largest agricultural lands by diverting the rivers etc. Their present condition was so because European diseases etc wiped them up. They are arawaks. If Amerindians live from the north pole to tierra del fuego and further south why did they never see the Rupunini? The faux historian selectively read the historical records and you with him are dispensing bunk history. As long as the wai wais and Wapishans are south American natives they are indigenous. The Guyana border fell on them. Their territorial claims as native peoples is to the whole damn continent. They are settling for a piece of soil in the in the  that Philip now grudgingly wants to deny them on duncified history.

No other group has natural patrimony. All others are imports. We received the lands from the Brits who stole it from native peoples. They they give it back to the imports and natives. The idea that the inheritors of this land is now to pay grievance wages owed by the British is absurd. We all live here and that is the damn pay.

 BTW, I do not want to be inculcated in history as delivered by you and Phillips.

 

FM
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caribny posted:
Labba posted:
.De whole idea dat blackman can prosper economic is crazy without de bigger market.  

The root of the African ethnic insecurity dilemma isnt about whether Africans will rule or not, despite what Ravi Dev, Stormborn and others think.

They couldn't give 2 figs about who is ruling if they feel that they will have fair access to opportunity. Well the perception that they have is that they do not and this belief remains as active with the Coalition gov't in power as it was under the PPP regime.  And this is why Volda collapsed into her "I gun only hire PNC" nonsense.

Solve this problem and you solve 50% of Guyana's ethnic dilemma.  And I suspect even more as if Indians stop feeling that Africans are restive and resentful they would be less bothered about the ethnic composition of the GDF and the GPF, because face facts, Indians do NOT want those jobs, whereas Africans do.

Regardless as to who supposedly came first we are all here now.  In fact, upsetting Eric's argument many Afro Guyanese are descended from 19thC migration from the West Indies and post slavery migration from West/Central Africa. So are no more entitled to lands than are Amerindians who entered Guyana fleeing Spanish/Portuguese slavers in the 18thC. Yes Arrival Day is AS IMPORTANT to Afro Guyanese as it is to Indo Guyanese!

The issue should be how can Afro Guyanese be made to feel less anxious about their economic circumstances in 2019.  THAT is what ought to be addressed and reparations isnt part of that debate because those who deprived Africans in the 17-19thC no longer live in Guyana. 

That the majority Indo elites might deprive segments of the Afro population of economic opportunity also needs to be seen within the context of the fact that they also deprive grass roots Indians of ditto.   Surveys show that roughly 1/3 of Afro, Indo and mixed identified Guyanese fall under the poverty line. Surveys also show that majority Afro areas have higher % of educated and skilled people than do majority Indo rural areas.

 

Me and Ravi Dev described in the same way is truly peachy coming from you. I guess you forgot I spent years debating them here and on their sites disputing their theosophy.

In our present arrangement, who rules matter to all. To say the ethnic groups do not arrange themselves by ethnic identified party to elect who rule is like denying filings to not align according to the magnetic field when placed under a magnet.

Ethnic insecurities are a political phenomena because all social ills seep out of that hence my constant prating on constitutional reform where we can build a system that compensates for the ethnic nepotism that comes out of parties dominated by one group or another.

Let me repeat. Guyana is in south America and Amerindians Are South Americans as Africans are Africans.  No part of Africa is deemed not African, similarly no part of South America is deemed not Amerindian. You or Phillips do not get to say that your arrival there by migration or the happenstance of slavery is to deemed your arrival time. Our arrival time is buried in the obscurity of eons. Dont weight the us per your unfortunate arrival here. Our ancestors walked!

 

FM
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. d.

And how do you know that no instances of this happened. Here is how this could have happened. NDC officialdom find some excuse to penalize some small landowner and suddenly a wealthy man takes control.  This through corruption.

You know enough to know that in Guyana when such transaction involves an PPP controlled NDC where the small landowner is black and the rich beneficiary is Indian how this will be interpreted by the black villagers and what they will run and tell Eric.

Understand this. Eric didn't go to them.  They went to Eric when tehy saw that Corbin was inept and a Jagdeo stooge.  And now a narrative developed because the PPP ignored this issue just as Forbes Burnham did in his time.  Of course the people around today weren't around during the Burnham era so all they know is what happened to them when the PPP was in power.  Burnham died 34 years ago and the average Guyanese isnt even that age.

I dont know much about tHis, but the way you stated it, it sounds like conjectures.

How do we assess whether such claims are legit, without opening a can of worms? 

And, why is this not seen as an inciteful move (to open these land claims)...Eric did not have to take on this task...he could have refused...and debunked the claims. Instead, he has taken up this cause with a passion, without and concern as to where the chips fall and how divisive such a plan will be...

V
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. d.

And how do you know that no instances of this happened. Here is how this could have happened. NDC officialdom find some excuse to penalize some small landowner and suddenly a wealthy man takes control.  This through corruption.

You know enough to know that in Guyana when such transaction involves an PPP controlled NDC where the small landowner is black and the rich beneficiary is Indian how this will be interpreted by the black villagers and what they will run and tell Eric.

Understand this. Eric didn't go to them.  They went to Eric when tehy saw that Corbin was inept and a Jagdeo stooge.  And now a narrative developed because the PPP ignored this issue just as Forbes Burnham did in his time.  Of course the people around today weren't around during the Burnham era so all they know is what happened to them when the PPP was in power.  Burnham died 34 years ago and the average Guyanese isnt even that age.

There is a difference in the statement Indians marginalized blacks by stealing their land and some land were stolen by crooked people. If that is the case then use the commission to reveal the losses and demand them back. Do not say that "Indians" stole land when most Indians are poorer than church mice.

I am form the Corentyne and 90 percent of the people there own barely more than the land they live on. The 40 percent or so Indians in deep poverty themselves need land. The few with land have been our traditional rich folks like the Hanomans who inherited their property from hardworking grandparents. I do not know any black person there whose land was stolen so that is almost a third of the country where it did not happen.

The blanked statement of Africans are in poverty because they lack a village system is also bunk. 90 percent of black people do not want to go back to living in any commune run by sainted elders. The notion of getting 18 % of the land from the state and housing it under some regime of this sort abject crap. That aint happening. Phillips needed to use his chance at an ivy league education to get a degree in economics because he is failing miserably as a historian and organizer.

And yes, I believe the PPP give their friends and family access to land easily. There again the PPP represent themselves and their perfidious clan not "Indians" in general. Phillips and his clan are poisoning the minds of black folks against Indians. And I have not addressed his lies against Amerindians.

I wanted to say that, but I was afraid Ronan will call me a racist and embark on a cussdown....glad you said it.

Ironically, Eric teaches business classes at UG....I wonder what qualifications he possess that earned him that position.

V
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

i’m not on board with this reparations waste-of-time stuff

but why are you making things up and spray painting them as ‘questions’ to create fake ‘realities’ for spurious conversations pitting Afro-Guyanese against Indos and Amerindians?

invidious much?

smfh

I can only wonder where is the evidence that the Afro Guyanese want to take land away from anyone.  My reading of this is that they merely want to have decision about managing a village be made at the village level.  Given that villages in Guyana are inhabited by all sorts of people, and not just Africans not sure where there is a pitting of any group against the other.

The issue is if an African village is surrounded by Indian villages and these villages dominate the NDC then the concern is whether people alien to a given village will have decision making authority over said village.

I am often amazed at how fixated Guyanese are on the issue of race...it boggles the mind...almost everything I read on this site is like Afros and Indos are living in 2 different worlds. 

I do have family members like this too, on both sides of the fence....

If we are arguing the highlighted above, you are really saying that the racial problem in Guyana will exist until infinity...why should Afros be concerned that the local villagers who may be a majority in the NDC be so concerned about such a situation?

Then, the same can be said by Indians who dont see them selves as part of the government, especially when the institutions of government, army, police, ministers, etc are predominantly made up of Afros....where will this lead Guyanese ?? 

Who exactly are the patriotic and nationalistic people of Guyana who are above racial divisions?? 

V
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Are they saying that Reparations include taking away land from Amerindians and Indos?

Furthermore...given Alexander's statements ...are they really going to oversee and election that will result in the PNC losing...a la Freddie Kissoon...

Indos and Amerindians should be alarmed at this ... and they should seek to prioritize their own interests...

i’m not on board with this reparations waste-of-time stuff

but why are you making things up and spray painting them as ‘questions’ to create fake ‘realities’ for spurious conversations pitting Afro-Guyanese against Indos and Amerindians?

invidious much?

smfh

I can only wonder where is the evidence that the Afro Guyanese want to take land away from anyone.  My reading of this is that they merely want to have decision about managing a village be made at the village level.  Given that villages in Guyana are inhabited by all sorts of people, and not just Africans not sure where there is a pitting of any group against the other.

The issue is if an African village is surrounded by Indian villages and these villages dominate the NDC then the concern is whether people alien to a given village will have decision making authority over said village.

I am often amazed at how fixated Guyanese are on the issue of race...it boggles the mind...almost everything I read on this site is like Afros and Indos are living in 2 different worlds. 

I do have family members like this too, on both sides of the fence....

If we are arguing the highlighted above, you are really saying that the racial problem in Guyana will exist until infinity...why should Afros be concerned that the local villagers who may be a majority in the NDC be so concerned about such a situation?

Then, the same can be said by Indians who dont see them selves as part of the government, especially when the institutions of government, army, police, ministers, etc are predominantly made up of Afros....where will this lead Guyanese ?? 

Who exactly are the patriotic and nationalistic people of Guyana who are above racial divisions?? 

Vish, please show where Indians demand or lay conditions for their living in Guyana or any part of this world in respective of other races. 

Why is it that Indos and Afros can live in harmony, until Afros start demanding ownership and blaming others for their failure, and do you expect Indians to stay quiet? 

Indians have migrated to all part of this world and built successful family lives without protesting, unlike Blacks who always blame someone else for their downfall. 

In Guyana, Indians get blame for Afro poor livelihood. The blacks protest, loot and burned Indians home and business. 

In US and Canada, the white gets blame for keeping blacks down. The blacks protest, loot and burn business. 

Vish, don’t you see a issue here. 

FM
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

If this is where Guyana is heading, then this country need to brace itself for more racial divisions.

 

As much as your voice was silent during the PPP era when Indo elites were plotting the demise of Afro Guyanese your sudden interest in "racial divisions" is quite insincere.

Did they only start in May 2015? Hardly not!

If history is any guide, and we can agree that the history of Guyana is a sordid one...the logical and necessary thing to do is to move away from that past...

Accusing people here who are concerned about the construction of a society in which future generations can live in peace and enjoy the fruits of their labor and what the country has to offer is not a crime or part of any hidden agenda.

This comment is meant to stifle this search for the good life and a new start.

I honestly dont believe the problem is at the level that most people here make it out to be. AND, I dont believe that most powerless working class Guyanese are concerned about whether their leaders are Afros, Indos, Anmerindians, Portuguese...as long as they perceive their government to be an include and caring one. This may sound naive but its based upon my experience in Guyana last year.

If we are to take the accusation you are making here, then its only going to create a defensive posture...and one can very ask why is your target set at 2015, and not inclusive of the 28 years...

History has shown that Afros and Indos leaders dont have any claims to a moral authority to govern...attributing GUILT to the PPP and its leaders (or the PNC and its leaders) alone is being intellectually dishonest.

 

V

@ Django,

you should show your blacks brethren, who you went from a 300 sq ft home to a prison like mansion to a successful business in US. They can do the same. 

You better see if that mansion back home is built on the land they are claiming. 

FM
VishMahabir posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. d.

And how do you know that no instances of this happened. Here is how this could have happened. NDC officialdom find some excuse to penalize some small landowner and suddenly a wealthy man takes control.  This through corruption.

You know enough to know that in Guyana when such transaction involves an PPP controlled NDC where the small landowner is black and the rich beneficiary is Indian how this will be interpreted by the black villagers and what they will run and tell Eric.

Understand this. Eric didn't go to them.  They went to Eric when tehy saw that Corbin was inept and a Jagdeo stooge.  And now a narrative developed because the PPP ignored this issue just as Forbes Burnham did in his time.  Of course the people around today weren't around during the Burnham era so all they know is what happened to them when the PPP was in power.  Burnham died 34 years ago and the average Guyanese isnt even that age.

There is a difference in the statement Indians marginalized blacks by stealing their land and some land were stolen by crooked people. If that is the case then use the commission to reveal the losses and demand them back. Do not say that "Indians" stole land when most Indians are poorer than church mice.

I am form the Corentyne and 90 percent of the people there own barely more than the land they live on. The 40 percent or so Indians in deep poverty themselves need land. The few with land have been our traditional rich folks like the Hanomans who inherited their property from hardworking grandparents. I do not know any black person there whose land was stolen so that is almost a third of the country where it did not happen.

The blanked statement of Africans are in poverty because they lack a village system is also bunk. 90 percent of black people do not want to go back to living in any commune run by sainted elders. The notion of getting 18 % of the land from the state and housing it under some regime of this sort abject crap. That aint happening. Phillips needed to use his chance at an ivy league education to get a degree in economics because he is failing miserably as a historian and organizer.

And yes, I believe the PPP give their friends and family access to land easily. There again the PPP represent themselves and their perfidious clan not "Indians" in general. Phillips and his clan are poisoning the minds of black folks against Indians. And I have not addressed his lies against Amerindians.

I wanted to say that, but I was afraid Ronan will call me a racist and embark on a cussdown....glad you said it.

Ironically, Eric teaches business classes at UG....I wonder what qualifications he possess that earned him that position.

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

FM
Stormborn posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

That nut case can insist in speeches and in writing ( with no evidence) that the NDCs steal African land is not deemed racist by you. d.

And how do you know that no instances of this happened. Here is how this could have happened. NDC officialdom find some excuse to penalize some small landowner and suddenly a wealthy man takes control.  This through corruption.

You know enough to know that in Guyana when such transaction involves an PPP controlled NDC where the small landowner is black and the rich beneficiary is Indian how this will be interpreted by the black villagers and what they will run and tell Eric.

Understand this. Eric didn't go to them.  They went to Eric when tehy saw that Corbin was inept and a Jagdeo stooge.  And now a narrative developed because the PPP ignored this issue just as Forbes Burnham did in his time.  Of course the people around today weren't around during the Burnham era so all they know is what happened to them when the PPP was in power.  Burnham died 34 years ago and the average Guyanese isnt even that age.

There is a difference in the statement Indians marginalized blacks by stealing their land and some land were stolen by crooked people. If that is the case then use the commission to reveal the losses and demand them back. Do not say that "Indians" stole land when most Indians are poorer than church mice.

I am form the Corentyne and 90 percent of the people there own barely more than the land they live on. The 40 percent or so Indians in deep poverty themselves need land. The few with land have been our traditional rich folks like the Hanomans who inherited their property from hardworking grandparents. I do not know any black person there whose land was stolen so that is almost a third of the country where it did not happen.

The blanked statement of Africans are in poverty because they lack a village system is also bunk. 90 percent of black people do not want to go back to living in any commune run by sainted elders. The notion of getting 18 % of the land from the state and housing it under some regime of this sort abject crap. That aint happening. Phillips needed to use his chance at an ivy league education to get a degree in economics because he is failing miserably as a historian and organizer.

And yes, I believe the PPP give their friends and family access to land easily. There again the PPP represent themselves and their perfidious clan not "Indians" in general. Phillips and his clan are poisoning the minds of black folks against Indians. And I have not addressed his lies against Amerindians.

I wanted to say that, but I was afraid Ronan will call me a racist and embark on a cussdown....glad you said it.

Ironically, Eric teaches business classes at UG....I wonder what qualifications he possess that earned him that position.

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

FM
VishMahabir posted:

I am often amazed at how fixated Guyanese are on the issue of race...it boggles the mind...almost everything I read on this site is like Afros and Indos are living in 2 different worlds. 

sooo, who exactly started this thread banna . . . hypocrite much?

look inward poser

smfh

FM
Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

Vish, please show where Indians demand or lay conditions for their living in Guyana or any part of this world in respective of other races. 

Why is it that Indos and Afros can live in harmony, until Afros start demanding ownership and blaming others for their failure, and do you expect Indians to stay quiet? 

Indians have migrated to all part of this world and built successful family lives without protesting, unlike Blacks who always blame someone else for their downfall. 

In Guyana, Indians get blame for Afro poor livelihood. The blacks protest, loot and burned Indians home and business. 

In US and Canada, the white gets blame for keeping blacks down. The blacks protest, loot and burn business. 

Vish, don’t you see a issue here. 

I dont want to distract from this thread...but...

I am not concerned about if and what “conditions” Indians demanded for living in multi-cultural societies in which they live. On the contrary, from what I know about Guyana, two things seems true:

A. I believe that Indians find themselves in situations of their own creation, uncomfortable as they may be. PPP supporters dont want to admit this. The PPP, following the experience of 28 years of dictatorial and authoritarian rule under Burnham should have urgently retrofitted Guyana’s institutions and set the foundations for a transformative democracy. Instead, greed, corruption, and a belief that their Indo built-in majority would guarantee perpetual rule and lordism over all of Guyana. Added to this, the fact that the country is deeply divided, and lack of visionary leaders (except Rodney), the country has steadily decline, whether we look at the data from Transparency Index, Corruption, US Drug Control reports, foreign diplomacy correspondences, etc. THis has resulted in a dysfunctional culture in Guyana where today, bribery and corruption seems normal....and anything the coalition does to correct this situation will require a cultural transformation, or what Storm and AntiBanta referred to as a “paradigm shift”.   

B. From all indications, Indians are passive, not known for radical ideology (communism and socialism for Japan was theory, not shown in their praxis). I have family members who told me they used to walk around in Guyana with Che Guevara t-shirts, but knew nothing about communism. My point is that, yes, (this might be stereotypical) Indos are not known to be aggressive and demanding because they tend to avoid uncomfortable situation and invest their energy in creating wealth and adding value to their work. Their ability (or inability) to make demands like Afros may be seen as weakness. And yes, they also have to take necessary means to defend themselves. Same for Afros and Amerindians. I was always told by my parents that respect can only come with behaving in a certain to guarantees respect. So for all the excesses the coalition is engaged in today, I am appalled by the fact that Indos are making demands and calling a spade a spade. When I did, Ronan said I was preaching violence against a democratically elected government. Bottom line is: the leaders of all of Guyana have to work together to make the country a better one compared to when my parents lived there....and the political system must be perceived as such.

This is why I am raising questions here as to the issue raised at this forum.

Are Guyanese bold enough to charter a new course for the younger generation, one where race and racial divisions are placed on the back burner.?

From where I am sitting, it will be difficult. 

V
Stormborn posted:

You call that crippled attempt at freestyle haiku oratorical? I called that scatterbrained, incoherent mumbling, with nonsensical arcane references that is known only to himself where plain English would do.

ohhhh, i remember the gooood times way back then when you called my ‘style’ positively poetic . . . remember?

lol

you and Freddie Kissoon belong in the same corner for immature, self-promoting never wasses

btw, pouting is for little girls (remember our little encounter on SN?); you don’t wear it well

smfh

FM
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ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 posted:

 

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

V
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

You call that crippled attempt at freestyle haiku oratorical? I called that scatterbrained, incoherent mumbling, with nonsensical arcane references that is known only to himself where plain English would do.

ohhhh, i remember the gooood times way back then when you called my ‘style’ positively poetic . . . remember?

lol

you and Freddie Kissoon belong in the same corner for immature, self-promoting never wasses

btw, pouting is for little girls (remember our little encounter on SN?); you don’t wear it well

smfh

Dude...I do admire your oratorical skills...i use a dictionary sometime to muddle through your posts...

You cant put every Guyanese into a cookie cutter box at your whim and fancy... sometimes you have to take the good with the bad...

Guyana has suffered a massive drain and the handful of people who continue to expose to problems are much needed...the core of such individuals is so small...you railed against Christopher Raam and Freddie Kissoon, but where are the others that Guyana needs to uphold its legal and moral standards, while “holding the feet of the govt to the fire”?

 

V
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

I am often amazed at how fixated Guyanese are on the issue of race...it boggles the mind...almost everything I read on this site is like Afros and Indos are living in 2 different worlds. 

sooo, who exactly started this thread banna . . . hypocrite much?

look inward poser

smfh

Dude...you seem puzzled at the mere fact that people are questioning what your friends in high places are saying...

V
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 posted:

 

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

 ummm . . . why exactly do i need to explain anything about Eric Philips?

i don’t know the fellow . . . NEVER had a conversation with him, on line or otherwise

he preceeded me at Queens College where he was a ‘legend’ and knew my older brother

Stanley Ming is his best buddy from school days . . . go ask him

after losing your original argument on this thread in spectacular fashion, you and Stormborn have succeeded in turning this conversation into a referendum on Eric Philips

clap clap clap

FM
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

I said I think....I remember when he was here at the WH someone telling me that. Thnks for correcting me. 

FM
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

I am often amazed at how fixated Guyanese are on the issue of race...it boggles the mind...almost everything I read on this site is like Afros and Indos are living in 2 different worlds. 

sooo, who exactly started this thread banna . . . hypocrite much?

look inward poser

smfh

Dude...you seem puzzled at the mere fact that people are questioning what your friends in high places are saying...

i am, in fact, NOT “puzzled” at all sir

it is YOU who’s mind you claim is “boggled

hmmmm . . .?

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 posted:

 

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

 ummm . . . why exactly do i need to explain anything about Eric Philips?

i don’t know the fellow . . . NEVER had a conversation with him, on line or otherwise

he preceeded me at Queens College where he was a ‘legend’ and knew my older brother

Stanley Ming is his best buddy from school days . . . go ask him

after losing your original argument on this thread in spectacular fashion, you and Stormborn have succeeded in turning this conversation into a referendum on Eric Philips

clap clap clap

Eric is the “intellectual author” behind this movement.

V
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 posted:

 

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

 ummm . . . why exactly do i need to explain anything about Eric Philips?

i don’t know the fellow . . . NEVER had a conversation with him, on line or otherwise

he preceeded me at Queens College where he was a ‘legend’ and knew my older brother

Stanley Ming is his best buddy from school days . . . go ask him

after losing your original argument on this thread in spectacular fashion, you and Stormborn have succeeded in turning this conversation into a referendum on Eric Philips

clap clap clap

He hosted that conference and there is nothing but toxic emanations about race from him. I responded to this thread affirming that what VM said against Eric P is exactly veritas.

I am at a loss to grasp what is your focus...if the NDCs stealing land it surely was not from the old african village system. The NDCs were implanted by the PPP to steal the elections in the future hence the reason they never held any but instead implanted croneys in almost all of them. If you want to examine how they operated I am willing.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
 posted:

 

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

 ummm . . . why exactly do i need to explain anything about Eric Philips?

i don’t know the fellow . . . NEVER had a conversation with him, on line or otherwise

he preceeded me at Queens College where he was a ‘legend’ and knew my older brother

Stanley Ming is his best buddy from school days . . . go ask him

after losing your original argument on this thread in spectacular fashion, you and Stormborn have succeeded in turning this conversation into a referendum on Eric Philips

clap clap clap

Eric is the “intellectual author” behind this movement.

apropos what, sir?

FM
Dave posted:

@ Django,

you should show your blacks brethren, who you went from a 300 sq ft home to a prison like mansion to a successful business in US. They can do the same. 

You better see if that mansion back home is built on the land they are claiming. 

Not mansion bhai, it comfortable. Naah transported property was owned by long time wealthy folks, they had their own lightning plants, cars..etc. Never thought i will become the owner, guess it's my luck.

Don't knock the black brethren, lots are progressive folks. Ayuh like stereotype too much.

Django
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

@VishMahabir

Yuh BOSSES in ROAR led by toupee man advocate openly for Indo rights. Ah neva see yuh complain about  dem.

Nothing wrong with advocating for rights of a particular race, especially in a polarized society like Guyana where blacks and indians squabble over resources and compete for "ahwe own".

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

FM
Iguana posted:

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

I dug up from the net some 1800's files on British Guiana, there were no mention by the plantation owners, calling African "Savages". That's the narrative of  some historians.

Django
Django posted:
Iguana posted:

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

I dug up from the net some 1800's files on British Guiana, there were no mention by the plantation owners, calling African "Savages". That's the narrative of  some historians.

one does not care to look at what labels was attached to them bur what level of brutality was deployed against them and there it is every manner of evil  you can imagine.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Django posted:
Iguana posted:

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

I dug up from the net some 1800's files on British Guiana, there were no mention by the plantation owners, calling African "Savages". That's the narrative of  some historians.

one does not care to look at what labels was attached to them bur what level of brutality was deployed against them and there it is every manner of evil  you can imagine.

True !!!  I have a problem when folks try to paint a different picture. There are interesting tales after emancipation, on some plantation workers stopped their wife from working, they became the bread winner for their families.

Django
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Django posted:
Iguana posted:

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

I dug up from the net some 1800's files on British Guiana, there were no mention by the plantation owners, calling African "Savages". That's the narrative of  some historians.

It is clear from my post that I am not referring to plantation owners or the slavery days. I am speaking of some of them that post here that classify us as looters, rioters, "animals", scourge of the earth and so on. You know who I am talking about. You call them "good guys", big bro, lil bro and suh on.

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:

@ Django,

you should show your blacks brethren, who you went from a 300 sq ft home to a prison like mansion to a successful business in US. They can do the same. 

You better see if that mansion back home is built on the land they are claiming. 

Not mansion bhai, it comfortable. Naah transported property was owned by long time wealthy folks, they had their own lightning plants, cars..etc. Never thought i will become the owner, guess it's my luck.

Don't knock the black brethren, lots are progressive folks. Ayuh like stereotype too much.

You are so freken poor at comprehension...you must analyze the subject in response to comments before you reply.

What is Eric Philips issues and who’s interest he’s looking out for?... so what am I stereotype if I ask if your mansion may be on their land. 

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:

@ Django,

you should show your blacks brethren, who you went from a 300 sq ft home to a prison like mansion to a successful business in US. They can do the same. 

You better see if that mansion back home is built on the land they are claiming. 

Not mansion bhai, it comfortable. Naah transported property was owned by long time wealthy folks, they had their own lightning plants, cars..etc. Never thought i will become the owner, guess it's my luck.

Don't knock the black brethren, lots are progressive folks. Ayuh like stereotype too much.

You are so freken poor at comprehension...you must analyze the subject in response to comments before you reply.

What is Eric Philips issues and who’s interest he’s looking out for?... so what am I stereotype if I ask if your mansion may be on their land. 

Whatever ideas  Eric Philips have , wont materialize, that's my take.

Please re-read your post, my response is to your post and not the subject of discussion.

Django
VishMahabir posted:
Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

Vish, please show where Indians demand or lay conditions for their living in Guyana or any part of this world in respective of other races. 

Why is it that Indos and Afros can live in harmony, until Afros start demanding ownership and blaming others for their failure, and do you expect Indians to stay quiet? 

Indians have migrated to all part of this world and built successful family lives without protesting, unlike Blacks who always blame someone else for their downfall. 

In Guyana, Indians get blame for Afro poor livelihood. The blacks protest, loot and burned Indians home and business. 

In US and Canada, the white gets blame for keeping blacks down. The blacks protest, loot and burn business. 

Vish, don’t you see a issue here. 

I dont want to distract from this thread...but...

I am not concerned about if and what “conditions” Indians demanded for living in multi-cultural societies in which they live. On the contrary, from what I know about Guyana, two things seems true:

A. I believe that Indians find themselves in situations of their own creation, uncomfortable as they may be. PPP supporters dont want to admit this. The PPP, following the experience of 28 years of dictatorial and authoritarian rule under Burnham should have urgently retrofitted Guyana’s institutions and set the foundations for a transformative democracy. Instead, greed, corruption, and a belief that their Indo built-in majority would guarantee perpetual rule and lordism over all of Guyana. Added to this, the fact that the country is deeply divided, and lack of visionary leaders (except Rodney), the country has steadily decline, whether we look at the data from Transparency Index, Corruption, US Drug Control reports, foreign diplomacy correspondences, etc. THis has resulted in a dysfunctional culture in Guyana where today, bribery and corruption seems normal....and anything the coalition does to correct this situation will require a cultural transformation, or what Storm and AntiBanta referred to as a “paradigm shift”.   

B. From all indications, Indians are passive, not known for radical ideology (communism and socialism for Japan was theory, not shown in their praxis). I have family members who told me they used to walk around in Guyana with Che Guevara t-shirts, but knew nothing about communism. My point is that, yes, (this might be stereotypical) Indos are not known to be aggressive and demanding because they tend to avoid uncomfortable situation and invest their energy in creating wealth and adding value to their work. Their ability (or inability) to make demands like Afros may be seen as weakness. And yes, they also have to take necessary means to defend themselves. Same for Afros and Amerindians. I was always told by my parents that respect can only come with behaving in a certain to guarantees respect. So for all the excesses the coalition is engaged in today, I am appalled by the fact that Indos are making demands and calling a spade a spade. When I did, Ronan said I was preaching violence against a democratically elected government. Bottom line is: the leaders of all of Guyana have to work together to make the country a better one compared to when my parents lived there....and the political system must be perceived as such.

This is why I am raising questions here as to the issue raised at this forum.

Are Guyanese bold enough to charter a new course for the younger generation, one where race and racial divisions are placed on the back burner.?

From where I am sitting, it will be difficult. 

Thanks for the reply Vish.

FM
Iguana posted:
Django posted:
Iguana posted:

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

I dug up from the net some 1800's files on British Guiana, there were no mention by the plantation owners, calling African "Savages". That's the narrative of  some historians.

It is clear from my post that I am not referring to plantation owners or the slavery days. I am speaking of some of them that post here that classify us as looters, rioters, "animals", scourge of the earth and so on. You know who I am talking about. You call them "good guys", big bro, lil bro and suh on.

That's their perception and responsible for their own actions, i try be be courteous to everyone here, don't take that as condoning their actions. My reference to "Savages" is to debunked what Ravi Dev written in an article.

Django
Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

And he is also an expert on land acquisition, reparations and redistributive justice, eh?

Philips needs to realize, and accept the fact that Guyana has many different races...

Here he is....at his partisan best:

guyanachronicle.com/2017/08/25/phillips-proposes-afro-guyanese-rights-bill

 

@VishMahabir

Yuh BOSSES in ROAR led by toupee man advocate openly for Indo rights. Ah neva see yuh complain about  dem.

Nothing wrong with advocating for rights of a particular race, especially in a polarized society like Guyana where blacks and indians squabble over resources and compete for "ahwe own".

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

Iguana,

I dont have a problem with people advocating for their rights, promoting their self-interests, preserving their culture, etc....and I do agree with your statements above...including the chest-thumping bravado comment about “them days done”. I hope everyone feels that way in your backwater country called Guyana.

But, why all the hyperactive emotionalism about raising questions about a race-based plan, steeped in, as far as we can ascertain, a person’s subjective feelings about “what awe deserve”, and fraught with danger when implemented and based on dubious claims....Like Phillips “bill of Rights”, should the six races of Guyana create their own Bill of Rights and proceed to carve out their own ethnic enclaves? 

...if Amerindians and Indos make similar claims and fall in the same category, they should be roundly condemned.... 

How long have you seen me here to know that I have not complained about the racism on both sides of the killing field? 

As a “dougla” I believe I can see things differently....not jaundice-like...and the more I learn about Guyana and its people the more pessimistic I have become.

Deeply disappointed in you bro...thought you were one of the more level-headed person on this board.....seems like you too circling the ethnic wagon...looking for blood...with swords drawn...

V
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member”  

i’d say he is QUALIFIED . . . don’t you think so?

here is the man’s CV

ERIC M. PHILLIPS JR. (BSc.,CTP, MBA)

Currently a Lecturer in the Department of Business and Management at the University of Guyana, Eric Phillips has served internationally as Chairman of the Board, CEO, MD,VP,COO, Program Director and Engineer in seven countries. In the USA, he served as the Project Manager at AT&T Bell Laboratories for the US$ 15 billion FTS2000 integrated telecommunication project which allowed him, among other factors, to successfully compete to become a 1990-91 White House Fellow.

Eric Phillips has a degree in Chemical Engineering from McMaster University in Ontario, Canada. An MBA inMarketing and International Business from New York University. He was selected as one of 14 fast tracked MBA/engineers/leaders to spend fourteen months at Stevens Institute of Technology and AT&T Bell Laboratories in the Communications Training Program (CTP) for Telecommunications Engineering.

Eric Phillips is a 1990-91 White House Fellow, the only Caribbean educated Fellow of the 700 that have existed. He is the Chairman of The esseQuibo Group, a consulting firm which advises Guyana Goldfields Inc., a listed company on the Toronto Stock Exchange. Eric has been the Managing Director of AT&T Africa & The Middle East, Vice President of AT&T Network Systems, the Managing Director for AT&T Central Europe (Ukraine) and the Deputy Director for AT&T Globalization in Europe. He was also a Director of ASC Inc. in London, United Kingdom. Eric spent seven years in South Africa where he was a Director for Africa Union Holdings, a Director for Combination Therapy Medical Solutions and the COO for Safika Holdings Pty.

Eric has won many awards including: the AT&T Senior VP Award (1993); the Bell Labs Outstanding Service Award (1990); and the Scientific Achievement Award for Apollo Technologies in 1982. He has been featured on the cover of Business Week International and Black Engineering Magazines. He was nominated for the United States Black Engineer of the Year Award for his work on FTS-2000, He was the Head Prefect of Queens College and the only person to win both the Junior School and Senior School Prize, twice.

Eric Phillips is an author, poet, producer of 26 HIV & AIDS half hour inspirational A-Z alphabet tapes,. He is very active in the Arts having been the Executive Director of the Caribbean Theatre of Performing Arts (New York City) for the play “Sea Rock Children”. He founded NZINGHA Dance Group, Dance Alive (HIV/AIDS), CommonGroundGuyana (Civil Rights) and helped start Majek Fingers Drumming Group. He has founded and assisted in founding several youth and Community Groups. He is an Executive Director of the African Cultural &Development Association and a Director of COLLACO, a school for children aged 2 to10.

Politically, Eric was the Co-Founder of the REFORM Group in Guyana and the co-Author of the Guyana 21 Plan, a blueprint for Guyana’s National Development. Eric is the only Guyanese to have played cricket, soccer and table tennis internationally for Guyana. He is a 3rd degree Black Belt and has over 200 trophies in athletics, cricket, soccer, table tennis and karate.

FM
Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

Vish, please show where Indians demand or lay conditions for their living in Guyana or any part of this world in respective of other races. 

Why is it that Indos and Afros can live in harmony, until Afros start demanding ownership and blaming others for their failure, and do you expect Indians to stay quiet? 

Indians have migrated to all part of this world and built successful family lives without protesting, unlike Blacks who always blame someone else for their downfall. 

In Guyana, Indians get blame for Afro poor livelihood. The blacks protest, loot and burned Indians home and business. 

In US and Canada, the white gets blame for keeping blacks down. The blacks protest, loot and burn business. 

Vish, don’t you see a issue here. 

I dont want to distract from this thread...but...

I am not concerned about if and what “conditions” Indians demanded for living in multi-cultural societies in which they live. On the contrary, from what I know about Guyana, two things seems true:

A. I believe that Indians find themselves in situations of their own creation, uncomfortable as they may be. PPP supporters dont want to admit this. The PPP, following the experience of 28 years of dictatorial and authoritarian rule under Burnham should have urgently retrofitted Guyana’s institutions and set the foundations for a transformative democracy. Instead, greed, corruption, and a belief that their Indo built-in majority would guarantee perpetual rule and lordism over all of Guyana. Added to this, the fact that the country is deeply divided, and lack of visionary leaders (except Rodney), the country has steadily decline, whether we look at the data from Transparency Index, Corruption, US Drug Control reports, foreign diplomacy correspondences, etc. THis has resulted in a dysfunctional culture in Guyana where today, bribery and corruption seems normal....and anything the coalition does to correct this situation will require a cultural transformation, or what Storm and AntiBanta referred to as a “paradigm shift”.   

B. From all indications, Indians are passive, not known for radical ideology (communism and socialism for Japan was theory, not shown in their praxis). I have family members who told me they used to walk around in Guyana with Che Guevara t-shirts, but knew nothing about communism. My point is that, yes, (this might be stereotypical) Indos are not known to be aggressive and demanding because they tend to avoid uncomfortable situation and invest their energy in creating wealth and adding value to their work. Their ability (or inability) to make demands like Afros may be seen as weakness. And yes, they also have to take necessary means to defend themselves. Same for Afros and Amerindians. I was always told by my parents that respect can only come with behaving in a certain to guarantees respect. So for all the excesses the coalition is engaged in today, I am appalled by the fact that Indos are making demands and calling a spade a spade. When I did, Ronan said I was preaching violence against a democratically elected government. Bottom line is: the leaders of all of Guyana have to work together to make the country a better one compared to when my parents lived there....and the political system must be perceived as such.

This is why I am raising questions here as to the issue raised at this forum.

Are Guyanese bold enough to charter a new course for the younger generation, one where race and racial divisions are placed on the back burner.?

From where I am sitting, it will be difficult. 

Thanks for the reply Vish.

Vish, the last paragraph with that important question if Guyanese are bold enough to charter a new course for the younger generation is important. 

Afros and Indos have adopted a tit for tat policy which is at the heart of the problem.

I want to see a united Guyana free of racial divide where every Guyanese is treated equally and fairly. Despite what we may think or say, Eric has opened up or initiated a discussion and if we are true to ourselves and believe in what we preach, then Issues affecting Afros must be addressed. Perhaps not in a radical approach but a more balanced and realistic one. 

I have stated time and time again that Guyana can start with a Truth Commission like they did in South Africa. 

The next election will be very divisive and it may appear that the PPP is poised for a victory and that is what makes most Afros uneasy since they feel that they will not be equal partners in future economic progress especially with oil money looming on the horizon. 

I recently spoke with a top brass AFC member and he is disappointed that the AFC PNC failed to capitalize on the best opportunity and goodwill shown to unite Guyana. Granger must take full responsibility for failed leadership. 

 

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

I think he is an ivy league grad with a degree in history. 

Eric Philips has a Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from McMaster University in Canada and a MBA from NYU

where are you getting your information from?

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member”  

i’d say he is QUALIFIED . . . don’t you think so?

here is the man’s CV

ERIC M. PHILLIPS JR. (BSc.,CTP, MBA)

Currently a Lecturer in the Department of Business and Management at the University of Guyana, Eric Phillips has served internationally as Chairman of the Board, CEO, MD,VP,COO, Program Director and Engineer in seven countries. In the USA, he served as the Project Manager at AT&T Bell Laboratories for the US$ 15 billion FTS2000 integrated telecommunication project which allowed him, among other factors, to successfully compete to become a 1990-91 White House Fellow.

Eric Phillips has a degree in Chemical Engineering from McMaster University in Ontario, Canada. An MBA inMarketing and International Business from New York University. He was selected as one of 14 fast tracked MBA/engineers/leaders to spend fourteen months at Stevens Institute of Technology and AT&T Bell Laboratories in the Communications Training Program (CTP) for Telecommunications Engineering.

Eric Phillips is a 1990-91 White House Fellow, the only Caribbean educated Fellow of the 700 that have existed. He is the Chairman of The esseQuibo Group, a consulting firm which advises Guyana Goldfields Inc., a listed company on the Toronto Stock Exchange. Eric has been the Managing Director of AT&T Africa & The Middle East, Vice President of AT&T Network Systems, the Managing Director for AT&T Central Europe (Ukraine) and the Deputy Director for AT&T Globalization in Europe. He was also a Director of ASC Inc. in London, United Kingdom. Eric spent seven years in South Africa where he was a Director for Africa Union Holdings, a Director for Combination Therapy Medical Solutions and the COO for Safika Holdings Pty.

Eric has won many awards including: the AT&T Senior VP Award (1993); the Bell Labs Outstanding Service Award (1990); and the Scientific Achievement Award for Apollo Technologies in 1982. He has been featured on the cover of Business Week International and Black Engineering Magazines. He was nominated for the United States Black Engineer of the Year Award for his work on FTS-2000, He was the Head Prefect of Queens College and the only person to win both the Junior School and Senior School Prize, twice.

Eric Phillips is an author, poet, producer of 26 HIV & AIDS half hour inspirational A-Z alphabet tapes,. He is very active in the Arts having been the Executive Director of the Caribbean Theatre of Performing Arts (New York City) for the play “Sea Rock Children”. He founded NZINGHA Dance Group, Dance Alive (HIV/AIDS), CommonGroundGuyana (Civil Rights) and helped start Majek Fingers Drumming Group. He has founded and assisted in founding several youth and Community Groups. He is an Executive Director of the African Cultural &Development Association and a Director of COLLACO, a school for children aged 2 to10.

Politically, Eric was the Co-Founder of the REFORM Group in Guyana and the co-Author of the Guyana 21 Plan, a blueprint for Guyana’s National Development. Eric is the only Guyanese to have played cricket, soccer and table tennis internationally for Guyana. He is a 3rd degree Black Belt and has over 200 trophies in athletics, cricket, soccer, table tennis and karate.

Quite impressive...I would say he is qualified.

...apologies to YOU and ERIC... 

 

We can agree to disagree on the issue central to this thread. 

V
Stormborn posted:
 90 percent of black people do not want to go back to living in any commune run by sainted elders. .

90% of the village blacks just like 90% of the villagers as a whole don't want their lives to be run by political hacks appointed by some political party and have no input.  It is perfectly plausible, knowing Guyana, that corrupt NDC officials were involved in theft of lands.  It is also perfectly plausible, that, lacking a structure to represent their interests, villagers weren't able to do this.

And THIS is what ethnic tensions in GY revolve around.  Not some mumbo jumbo constitution enshrining the rights of ethnic elites to ride rough shod over the population at large.

If you want "sainted elders" just try and NDC where Jagdeo and Harmon select people who are only answerable to them, and damn what the local people think of this.  Burnham put this in and destroyed the village governance system and GY is yet to recover from this travesty.  This is why almost no one voted in the LGE!  They don't see how it is relevant to their lives.

And yes Indian/PPP racism exists but everyone gets silenced up when it is discussed but will scream loudly when PNC abuse occurs.  There is a narrative that Indians are the only victims of racism and now that an African narrative occurs suddenly you scream.  Well what do you expect!

FM
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Iguana posted:
 

It is clear from my post that I am not referring to plantation owners or the slavery days. I am speaking of some of them that post here that classify us as looters, rioters, "animals", scourge of the earth and so on. You know who I am talking about. You call them "good guys", big bro, lil bro and suh on.

And using such language there was blatant racism directed towards blacks during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era, but if one mentions this then you are called a racist.  Interesting that those  who so stigmatize blacks aren't.

I have heard all sorts of horror stories about black people seeking private sector employment where those responsible for hiring were Indians.  NO ONE wants to speak about this and how this contributes to the ethnic animosity.

FM
Stormborn posted:
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Amerindians were enslaved and their land taken whole scale.

The Dutch TRADED with the Amerindians and used them as slave catchers.  Their attempts to enslave the Amerindians didn't work, as the Amerindians knew the terrain and how to escape. The Dutch saw more profited in trade, and enslaving Africans who couldn't escape because the Amerindians caught them, returned them and were PAID for their efforts. FACT!

Find another narrative but equating the treatment of Amerindians with enslaved Africans is silly. What decimated the Amerindians was disease.  The coastal lands were mangrove swamps and I doubt that many, other than the lowly Warau, who fled there escaping more aggressive groups like the Caribs, were displaced.

You can argue as to who did the displacing.  The rest of Guyana remained unused until the late 19thC when it became useful for mining and timber.  Slavery had long ended by then.

And is Eric Phillips asking for any lands in the interior?

FM
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Dave posted:
 

In Guyana, Indians get blame for Afro poor livelihood. The blacks protest, loot and burned Indians home and business. 

 

and yet hear are Indos howling and screaming "me belly empty and is blackman do it to me" when they got the same treatment that the PPP callously handed out to bauxite workers.

So Afros cannot scream about how the PPP treated them but PNC treatment of Indos is treated like the Holy Scriptures.

and btw loads of Indians have a narrative about how the UK damaged India.  THAT is the real reason why the UK isn't going to pay reparations for slavery because they know that India will make the same demand and the bill will be HIGHER!

FM
Iguana posted:
 

Yuh BOSSES in ROAR led by toupee man advocate openly for Indo rights. Ah neva see yuh complain about  dem.

Nothing wrong with advocating for rights of a particular race, especially in a polarized society like Guyana where blacks and indians squabble over resources and compete for "ahwe own".

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

Of course not.  ROAR can scream that GY belongs to Indians because blacks are useless, lazy and violent and have made no contribution.  Ramotar wrote a fecal bit of nonsense last week blaming blacks for all the ailments faced by Indians, and scream that even in 2019 Indos still feel oppression from blacks.

Vish claims he is a dougla, but he really needs to stop.  He is an Indo with black relatives!

FM
Dave posted:
 

What is Eric Philips issues and who’s interest he’s looking out for?... so what am I stereotype if I ask if your mansion may be on their land. 

In the 90s Eric operated as a "Guyanese" then he saw the blatant abuse by the PPP directed towards the African poor, especially those in the rural areas.  He saw how abused those blacks who protested against this were, some even gunned down by Jagdeo's goons.

Because of Eric's international connections Jagdeo couldn't move against him, but allegedly there were still times when Eric had to fear for his life.

Daily we hear screams "Indians this and Indians that" and how blacks abuse them and make life a terror.  Screams that all blacks do is maraud Indians who are all "hard working and honest".

Well expect a reaction if Indians don't want to challenge the racism that exists within their communities!

FM
VishMahabir posted:

 

As a “dougla” I believe I can see things differently....

No you don't.  You are an Indian with black relatives who you clearly despise.  Look at how you jump to the defense of Indians without examining what happened to blacks during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era. 

Yes certain claims might be exaggerated and seen through an overly sensitive race lens.  Yes Indians didn't meet for dinner to plot seizing lands from blacks.  But powerful people who happened to be Indians used their clout over an Indo government to do dastardly things to less powerful people. 

I have no doubt that some of those who lost their lands were also Indians, but I also understand why in the Jagdeo/Ramotar era a black person wouldn't have a paranoid perspective and would have run to Eric with their fears. Eric didn't start ACDA.  He joined it when the PPP blocked assistance for black villages that were to be provided by an international agency.  I distinctly recall that conversation and all of the "black man lazy screams" that occurred on the Indo Nazi (AKA) as GNI site.  I cannot recall any other serious site that tolerates the repeated anti black bigotry that this one does.

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate. 

How did D2 react?  Did he condemn it?  No! he warned that if this continued and Afrocentrist would arrive. Will I did and too bad for those who don't like it. Had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

FM
yuji22 posted:
 

The next election will be very divisive and it may appear that the PPP is poised for a victory and that is what makes most Afros uneasy since they feel that they will not be equal partners in future economic progress especially with oil money looming on the horizon. 

 

And given that you are a PPP stooge why no demands on the PPP to reduce the unease felt by Africans.

Instead the PPP screams that black people are stupid and being led by bad people if they don't embrace the PPP.  Completely disrespecting the fact that in 23 years blacks had ample time to learn FIRST HAND about the PPP and how it treats blacks.

FM

What are you achieving being on here if all you are doing is trading insults. The Village mentors used to warn me about keeping bad company. They summed up saying,"If you choose to lie with dogs then expect to get up with fleas."

You do know you are precieved as a racists in this den.

S
caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
 

Yuh BOSSES in ROAR led by toupee man advocate openly for Indo rights. Ah neva see yuh complain about  dem.

Nothing wrong with advocating for rights of a particular race, especially in a polarized society like Guyana where blacks and indians squabble over resources and compete for "ahwe own".

I am for the rights of Indians, as long as their "rights" do not trample on my rights as a black man. Unfortunately some of  them (see some of yuh indian frens here) believe in subjugating black people and classifying us as savages. Well, them days over.

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

Of course not.  ROAR can scream that GY belongs to Indians because blacks are useless, lazy and violent and have made no contribution.  Ramotar wrote a fecal bit of nonsense last week blaming blacks for all the ailments faced by Indians, and scream that even in 2019 Indos still feel oppression from blacks.

Vish claims he is a dougla, but he really needs to stop.  He is an Indo with black relatives!

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

 

BTW....Perhaps Iggy can locate my response to Ramotar...

V
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

 

As a “dougla” I believe I can see things differently....

No you don't.  You are an Indian with black relatives who you clearly despise.  Look at how you jump to the defense of Indians without examining what happened to blacks during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era. 

Yes certain claims might be exaggerated and seen through an overly sensitive race lens.  Yes Indians didn't meet for dinner to plot seizing lands from blacks.  But powerful people who happened to be Indians used their clout over an Indo government to do dastardly things to less powerful people. 

I have no doubt that some of those who lost their lands were also Indians, but I also understand why in the Jagdeo/Ramotar era a black person wouldn't have a paranoid perspective and would have run to Eric with their fears. Eric didn't start ACDA.  He joined it when the PPP blocked assistance for black villages that were to be provided by an international agency.  I distinctly recall that conversation and all of the "black man lazy screams" that occurred on the Indo Nazi (AKA) as GNI site.  I cannot recall any other serious site that tolerates the repeated anti black bigotry that this one does.

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate. 

How did D2 react?  Did he condemn it?  No! he warned that if this continued and Afrocentrist would arrive. Will I did and too bad for those who don't like it. Had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

You are asking people to condemn things that were not in their presence....or they were not aware of...

You are no different that the Indo KKKs you rally against here...no one knows how much of what you peddle here is fact and or fake...but you obviously have everyone pegged... 

V
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

The next election will be very divisive and it may appear that the PPP is poised for a victory and that is what makes most Afros uneasy since they feel that they will not be equal partners in future economic progress especially with oil money looming on the horizon. 

 

And given that you are a PPP stooge why no demands on the PPP to reduce the unease felt by Africans.

Instead the PPP screams that black people are stupid and being led by bad people if they don't embrace the PPP.  Completely disrespecting the fact that in 23 years blacks had ample time to learn FIRST HAND about the PPP and how it treats blacks.

He needs to be ignored in this discussion given his open bigotry.  He screams about "bussing balls" and champions policies that relegate black people to scraps in a land that is equally theirs. He is part of the problem. Don't you believe he had an epiphany!

FM
caribny posted:

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate......had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

I joined after witnessing the cyber lynching of a BLACK Guyanese woman on GNI who started a program for kids of ALL races in Guyana. The hatred, bigotry and full out assault on this black woman was solely because of her race. Mind you, the beneficiaries of her program were a lot of Indian kids! This is by far the nastiest hate site I've ever seen.

I've been among rednecks down south and racist whites in corporate America. In America, I've never ever experienced this kind of open hatred towards black people as expressed by MANY of the Indians here, and I know full well the roots of it in rural Guyana.

In the words of Edmund Burke - "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Or some such. Thus I remain.

FM
VishMahabir posted:

Iguana,

.....

But, why all the hyperactive emotionalism about raising questions about a race-based plan, steeped in, as far as we can ascertain, a person’s subjective feelings about “what awe deserve”, and fraught with danger when implemented and based on dubious claims....Like Phillips “bill of Rights”, should the six races of Guyana create their own Bill of Rights and proceed to carve out their own ethnic enclaves? .

No "hyperactive emotionalism" on my part. I've said before on at least 2 occasions - I am not a fan of reparations. The guilty parties simply are not around. No black person on GNI is supporting reparations...it is you who keep bringing it up.

In your opening posts you stated "Granger is on board" with a plan of reparations. You are yet to produce any evidence of such. You portrayed the entire meeting as one with the aim of taking land from Indians, which was certainly not the point of the meeting. You lied again.

The rest of this thread is just nonsense and should have been abandoned when you were exposed as a liar on the above. Debate Phillips reparations plan on its own merits; point of your entire thread was to cast evil aspersions on black people in Guyana. That's what I object to.

I for one think you are a paid poster here. I do not buy the bullshit you are a "student" searching for his "Guyanese identity". Your posts vacillate between profound stupidity and posts of one well acquainted with Guyana's political history. Not buying that you can be this bipolar. And you can't claim to be around Guyanese relatives and be totally unfamiliar with some of the most basic terms you claimed you "learnt" here!

You do not write like a millennial. You are a bloody OLD man probably recruited by toupee man to stir up shit here. You are not here to "learn" anything. Who hired you? LABBA man?

FM
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

FM
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Iguana posted:
caribny posted:

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate......had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

I joined after witnessing the cyber lynching of a BLACK Guyanese woman on GNI who started a program for kids of ALL races in Guyana. The hatred, bigotry and full out assault on this black woman was solely because of her race. Mind you, the beneficiaries of her program were a lot of Indian kids! This is by far the nastiest hate site I've ever seen.

I've been among rednecks down south and racist whites in corporate America. In America, I've never ever experienced this kind of open hatred towards black people as expressed by MANY of the Indians here, and I know full well the roots of it in rural Guyana.

In the words of Edmund Burke - "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Or some such. Thus I remain.

Then you shoud pay very close attention to the words of Edmund Burke. You, who knows better, is equally as guilty of racism in Guyana by simply thinking you are more intelligent than the Indo Nazi posse.

I joined because there is no other site that one interacts openly with GUYANESE. We people are not afraid to speak our mind in public. Since when we became so prapah, perhaps only uppity Blacks. And I am certain the Blacks on here is nah uppity, I read the sh1te that is written. And is only about 5 alyuh, imagine at large how many more exists. 

S
Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Iguana,

.....

But, why all the hyperactive emotionalism about raising questions about a race-based plan, steeped in, as far as we can ascertain, a person’s subjective feelings about “what awe deserve”, and fraught with danger when implemented and based on dubious claims....Like Phillips “bill of Rights”, should the six races of Guyana create their own Bill of Rights and proceed to carve out their own ethnic enclaves? .

No "hyperactive emotionalism" on my part. I've said before on at least 2 occasions - I am not a fan of reparations. The guilty parties simply are not around. No black person on GNI is supporting reparations...it is you who keep bringing it up.

In your opening posts you stated "Granger is on board" with a plan of reparations. You are yet to produce any evidence of such. You portrayed the entire meeting as one with the aim of taking land from Indians, which was certainly not the point of the meeting. You lied again.

The rest of this thread is just nonsense and should have been abandoned when you were exposed as a liar on the above. Debate Phillips reparations plan on its own merits; point of your entire thread was to cast evil aspersions on black people in Guyana. That's what I object to.

I for one think you are a paid poster here. I do not buy the bullshit you are a "student" searching for his "Guyanese identity". Your posts vacillate between profound stupidity and posts of one well acquainted with Guyana's political history. Not buying that you can be this bipolar. And you can't claim to be around Guyanese relatives and be totally unfamiliar with some of the most basic terms you claimed you "learnt" here!

You do not write like a millennial. You are a bloody OLD man probably recruited by toupee man to stir up shit here. You are not here to "learn" anything. Who hired you? LABBA man?

I agree on dah wan.

S
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

Temper, that is a Black thng? Not a statement only a question.

S
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

 

As a “dougla” I believe I can see things differently....

No you don't.  You are an Indian with black relatives who you clearly despise.  Look at how you jump to the defense of Indians without examining what happened to blacks during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era. 

Yes certain claims might be exaggerated and seen through an overly sensitive race lens.  Yes Indians didn't meet for dinner to plot seizing lands from blacks.  But powerful people who happened to be Indians used their clout over an Indo government to do dastardly things to less powerful people. 

I have no doubt that some of those who lost their lands were also Indians, but I also understand why in the Jagdeo/Ramotar era a black person wouldn't have a paranoid perspective and would have run to Eric with their fears. Eric didn't start ACDA.  He joined it when the PPP blocked assistance for black villages that were to be provided by an international agency.  I distinctly recall that conversation and all of the "black man lazy screams" that occurred on the Indo Nazi (AKA) as GNI site.  I cannot recall any other serious site that tolerates the repeated anti black bigotry that this one does.

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate. 

How did D2 react?  Did he condemn it?  No! he warned that if this continued and Afrocentrist would arrive. Will I did and too bad for those who don't like it. Had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

You are asking people to condemn things that were not in their presence....or they were not aware of...

You are no different that the Indo KKKs you rally against here...no one knows how much of what you peddle here is fact and or fake...but you obviously have everyone pegged... 

Exposed. Dem bruddahs on here knows u r an indo. I guess indians write one way and blacks write another way. Distinction. Racism percieved just reading ink on paper.

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seignet posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

 

As a “dougla” I believe I can see things differently....

No you don't.  You are an Indian with black relatives who you clearly despise.  Look at how you jump to the defense of Indians without examining what happened to blacks during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era. 

Yes certain claims might be exaggerated and seen through an overly sensitive race lens.  Yes Indians didn't meet for dinner to plot seizing lands from blacks.  But powerful people who happened to be Indians used their clout over an Indo government to do dastardly things to less powerful people. 

I have no doubt that some of those who lost their lands were also Indians, but I also understand why in the Jagdeo/Ramotar era a black person wouldn't have a paranoid perspective and would have run to Eric with their fears. Eric didn't start ACDA.  He joined it when the PPP blocked assistance for black villages that were to be provided by an international agency.  I distinctly recall that conversation and all of the "black man lazy screams" that occurred on the Indo Nazi (AKA) as GNI site.  I cannot recall any other serious site that tolerates the repeated anti black bigotry that this one does.

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate. 

How did D2 react?  Did he condemn it?  No! he warned that if this continued and Afrocentrist would arrive. Will I did and too bad for those who don't like it. Had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

You are asking people to condemn things that were not in their presence....or they were not aware of...

You are no different that the Indo KKKs you rally against here...no one knows how much of what you peddle here is fact and or fake...but you obviously have everyone pegged... 

Exposed. Dem bruddahs on here knows u r an indo. I guess indians write one way and blacks write another way. Distinction. Racism percieved just reading ink on paper.

Actually, dem bais was praising him. Until he dared criticize a black man’s proposal. Suddenly he is toxic. Blacks don’t want to be questioned about their actions. They immediately sound the race trumpet.

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

Knucklehead...

...Now that you pollute this thread with your accusatory mealy mouthed viperous diatribe...

This much is clear: You are only here for one purpose - to defend everything "Black" and anything associated with the coalition... Anyone who dare to raise questions are suspect, and toxic...from the get go.

You are no different from the racist Indos here...your poetic lingo is simply a grand cover for your vile hatred of anyone who speak out about anything settled in your racist little bubble...

 

How dare me??

No. How dare you friggin try to silence me when I raise questions about a person you admire and whose plan threaten to racially divide people...and one reported in the media.

Go on...I gon expose your racist bile    

Now.. go wash your mealy mouth with some listerine...

Haul yo racist arse!  

V
ksazma posted:
seignet posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

 

As a “dougla” I believe I can see things differently....

No you don't.  You are an Indian with black relatives who you clearly despise.  Look at how you jump to the defense of Indians without examining what happened to blacks during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era. 

Yes certain claims might be exaggerated and seen through an overly sensitive race lens.  Yes Indians didn't meet for dinner to plot seizing lands from blacks.  But powerful people who happened to be Indians used their clout over an Indo government to do dastardly things to less powerful people. 

I have no doubt that some of those who lost their lands were also Indians, but I also understand why in the Jagdeo/Ramotar era a black person wouldn't have a paranoid perspective and would have run to Eric with their fears. Eric didn't start ACDA.  He joined it when the PPP blocked assistance for black villages that were to be provided by an international agency.  I distinctly recall that conversation and all of the "black man lazy screams" that occurred on the Indo Nazi (AKA) as GNI site.  I cannot recall any other serious site that tolerates the repeated anti black bigotry that this one does.

And as to Stormborn AKA D2.  Let me recall why I joined.  I considered this site too silly to comment until the Indo Nazis posted a picture of a black Buxton girl. Called her ugly, stupid, and nasty and a primate. 

How did D2 react?  Did he condemn it?  No! he warned that if this continued and Afrocentrist would arrive. Will I did and too bad for those who don't like it. Had this not been a nest of Indo Nazi behavior Caribny wouldn't be here.

You are asking people to condemn things that were not in their presence....or they were not aware of...

You are no different that the Indo KKKs you rally against here...no one knows how much of what you peddle here is fact and or fake...but you obviously have everyone pegged... 

Exposed. Dem bruddahs on here knows u r an indo. I guess indians write one way and blacks write another way. Distinction. Racism percieved just reading ink on paper.

Actually, dem bais was praising him. Until he dared criticize a black man’s proposal. Suddenly he is toxic. Blacks don’t want to be questioned about their actions. They immediately sound the race trumpet.

For decades now I realized no Indian can speak for Blacks or to Blacks. We are not qualified even as Guyanese. Dem have Black pride juss to be prejudice.

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seignet posted:

For decades now I realized no Indian can speak for Blacks or to Blacks. We are not qualified even as Guyanese. Dem have Black pride juss to be prejudice.

By what epiphany did you arrive at this realization?

A
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

Knucklehead...

...Now that you pollute this thread with your accusatory mealy mouthed viperous diatribe...

This much is clear: You are only here for one purpose - to defend everything "Black" and anything associated with the coalition... Anyone who dare to raise questions are suspect, and toxic...from the get go.

You are no different from the racist Indos here...your poetic lingo is simply a grand cover for your vile hatred of anyone who speak out about anything settled in your racist little bubble...

 

How dare me??

No. How dare you friggin try to silence me when I raise questions about a person you admire and whose plan threaten to racially divide people...and one reported in the media.

Go on...I gon expose your racist bile    

Now.. go wash your mealy mouth with some listerine...

Haul yo racist arse!  

WATAX.

Slam dunk Vish.

FM
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

For decades now I realized no Indian can speak for Blacks or to Blacks. We are not qualified even as Guyanese. Dem have Black pride juss to be prejudice.

By what epiphany did you arrive at this realization?

Blessd are the peacemakers. The man who said those words boggles ur mind. You restrict yourself from Godly Wisdom.

S
seignet posted:

 

You do know you are precieved as a racists in this den.

The fact that Indo Nazi racists consider me to be a racist is a joke.  They/you have been asked several times to say what I do that is racist.  The response is because I hate the PPP and discuss Indo racism. 

In the meanwhile Indo Nazis call blacks lazy, violent, useless, scream that we have made no contribution to Guyana and that we should bow down and show gratitude to Indians.  We are called scourges of the planet and people scream that we should be cursed into poverty.  Someone even threatened honor killing of any relative who marries a black person.

FM
VishMahabir posted:

 

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

 

 

BTW....Perhaps Iggy can locate my response to Ramotar...

I will help you with your quest for identity.  You are like a liberal and open minded Indian. Willing to admit to the fact that Indians aren't perfect and brave enough to battle against the Indo Nazis (which most liberal Indians are scared to do).

However your perspectives are that of an Indian.  Your sympathies are with Indians.  You never seem able to see the African perspective because if you did you might speak of the fact that  Indian elites certainly have used their economic dominance to push their weight, and at times bullying blacks.  And you would concede that when they allied themselves with Jagdeo/Ramotar the successfully squeezed out blacks (elite and non elites). And that intimidated blacks into silence.  Elite blacks were reduced to groveling to Jagdeo for sustenance and I bet by next year they will be back again as I will be shocked if the PPP doesn't win.

Eric Phillips, and David Hinds are independent blacks and so cannot be intimidated into silence.  Nigel Hughes has also been vocal.  There is a big problem involving black people in Guyana.  There is a complete refusal to discuss Indo ethnocentricity and how this impacts blacks.

You are free to disagree with Eric. I think that his rage against Indo elite abuse of blacks has led to him being extreme in his demands for lands. His sojourn in South Africa has blinded him to the fact that Afro Guyanese are not communally minded in the way that village based Africans are.

Having said that he represents a narrative in the same way that Jagdeo, Ramotar, Shah, Ravi Dev and all the other Indian rights activists do.  I am tempted to add the PPP House Negroes to the list as they never seem to display interest in advocating for Afro rights as much as they do for Indians.

You willingly chatter about Afro ethnocentricity, how it impacts Indians, and your disappointment that Indos are (according to you) docile.   I will suggest that such docility is a feature of ALL non elite Guyanese, who take daily abuse and bullying.  You seem only concerned about the Indian ones.

So yes you are an open minded Indian with black relatives.  Why this is the case is for you to determine but its clear to me that you cannot empathize with the Afro Guyanese perspective.

FM
VishMahabir posted:

 

You are no different that the Indo KKKs you rally against here...no one knows how much of what you peddle here is fact and or fake...but you obviously have everyone pegged... 

I bet that if I engaged in a rant using all the sick stereotypes of Indians that racist blacks use your response would be different.

Its amazing the lengths that people will go to excuse Indo racism even when people post the picture of a REAL LITTLE girl and pepper it with bigotry.

Suppose some one showed the girl what was being said about her and then began to taunt her.

This is why you are an Indian with black relatives.  You really don't have any empathy when blacks are being hurt by Indians.

And that is fine, but until you and others do I will be here as long as I can be here and I will remain vocal about Indo bigotry against blacks.

FM
Iguana posted:

 

I joined after witnessing the cyber lynching of a BLACK Guyanese woman on GNI who started a program for kids of ALL races in Guyana. The hatred, bigotry and full out assault on this black woman was solely because of her race.

Two things make it sad.

1.  I cited this woman as an example of Afro Guyanese who are making a contribution, this after the usual screams of "black man lay, ungrateful and useless).  I did NOT mention the woman's name as I knew full well that cyber bullying would occur.  Someone else did and of course this did occur.

2.  The woman started a program for blacks in the USA and seeing its success decided to do the same thing in Guyana.  What is however notable is that she saw Indo Guyanese as "her people" in the same way as she saw Afro Guyanese.  This program was for GUYANESE and the full diversity of Guyanese have benefitted.  I can only wonder if she saw the comments made about her by the Indo Nazis and what her reaction would have been.

Yet the daily screaming of how Indos suffer at the hands of blacks and then squeals of Indo genocide when these characters are told that they are responsible for the same bullying.

FM
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In your opening posts you stated "Granger is on board" with a plan of reparations.

In fact Jagdeo and Kamla Persad who was PM of T&T at the time were among the loudest CARICOM heads of state screaming for reparations.  They even insisted that it should be extended to include the descendants of Indian indentures (not the Portuguese or Chinese indentures you will note).

Yet VM, Dave and the other Indo rights activists scream as if its lazy black people wanting a handout.

Ask most Caribbean blacks and I bet their response will be that this reparations demand is about Caribbean politicians wanting another source of funds for corruption and to buy votes.  Jagdeo/Kamla also wanting to disguise their anti black racism.  Like one year when Kamla spent all of August dressed in Orisha attire (Afro centered religion in T&T akin to Santeria) to make black women think that she liked them.

FM
ksazma posted:
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Actually, dem bais was praising him. Until he dared criticize a black man’s proposal. Suddenly he is toxic. Blacks don’t want to be questioned about their actions. They immediately sound the race trumpet.

The only praise for him from me was that he isn't an Indo Nazi.  Even as I disagree with him I will not attach the anti black bigot label as I always attach to you.

FM
seignet posted:

 

 

For decades now I realized no Indian can speak for Blacks or to Blacks. We are not qualified even as Guyanese. Dem have Black pride juss to be prejudice.

Tomorrow there will be a ceremony to celebrate Guyana.  I already know that 85% of the people there will be black and the few Indians who will be there will be the performers, assorted busy bodies, and the ones that Indo Nazis call neemakaram and other foul names.

When the PPP had similar events at least 30% of the crowds were black. When Cheddi had a meeting in RH when he made his first visit as president at least 20% of the crowd was black even though we faced open bigotry and foul language directed at us.  It is at that meeting I realized how real the Indo Nazi movement is.  Even Cheddi had to tell them to behave.

FM
Dave posted:
 

WATAX.

Slam dunk Vish.

I wonder why your celebration when VM has an identity issue that he is Indo identified, but yet rejected by people like you who will never accept him as an Indian even though he desperately tries to prove himself to you all.

Now he is caught in the middle.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

Actually, dem bais was praising him. Until he dared criticize a black man’s proposal. Suddenly he is toxic. Blacks don’t want to be questioned about their actions. They immediately sound the race trumpet.

The only praise for him from me was that he isn't an Indo Nazi.  Even as I disagree with him I will not attach the anti black bigot label as I always attach to you.

Banna, do you really think I care what you attach to me? You are as insignificant to me as I am to you. You really whine too much.

FM
caribny posted:
seignet posted:

 

You do know you are precieved as a racists in this den.

The fact that Indo Nazi racists consider me to be a racist is a joke.  They/you have been asked several times to say what I do that is racist.  The response is because I hate the PPP and discuss Indo racism. 

In the meanwhile Indo Nazis call blacks lazy, violent, useless, scream that we have made no contribution to Guyana and that we should bow down and show gratitude to Indians.  We are called scourges of the planet and people scream that we should be cursed into poverty.  Someone even threatened honor killing of any relative who marries a black person.

Wrong attitudes is breathing ground for poverty, maybe too many bad attitudes in your tribe. Instead of chasing after the Indo Nazi, show us how you make a difference in your tribe.

S
ksazma posted:
 

Banna, do you really think I care what you attach to me? You are as insignificant to me as I am to you. You really whine too much.

I know that you don't care.  You are a proud member of the Indo Nazi party.  Know that Indo Nazis in India don't care for people like you though.  Not even sure if the Guyanese Indo Nazis care either.  You worship the wrong God.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

Banna, do you really think I care what you attach to me? You are as insignificant to me as I am to you. You really whine too much.

I know that you don't care.  You are a proud member of the Indo Nazi party.  Know that Indo Nazis in India don't care for people like you though.  Not even sure if the Guyanese Indo Nazis care either.  You worship the wrong God.

Do you really think I care who doesn’t care for me? Do you ever see me soliciting favors or friendships with anyone? I am quite comfortable with where I am and don’t need to seek any further acknowledgements.

FM
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caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
 

Banna, do you really think I care what you attach to me? You are as insignificant to me as I am to you. You really whine too much.

I know that you don't care.  You are a proud member of the Indo Nazi party.  Know that Indo Nazis in India don't care for people like you though.  Not even sure if the Guyanese Indo Nazis care either.  You worship the wrong God.

You racist mother fker, was it necessary to bring Kaz religion into this. You mangee stooge... go take a bath and clean that sink mouth. 

Gawn so. 

FM
seignet posted:
Instead of chasing after the Indo Nazi, show us how you make a difference in your tribe.

The notion that I must prove to an Indo Nazi what I do to "help my tribe" is interesting. 

Of course those who I have helped, in my numerous community based activities over the years, as well as in my daily occupation, know who they are.

You need to ask yourself where your evil need to denigrate, and humiliate black people came from.  Like your screams that black people "must be condemned to poverty" and your frequent rants of the laziness of blacks.

FM
Dave posted:
 

You racist mother fker, was it necessary to bring Kaz religion into this. You mangee stooge... go take a bath and clean that sink mouth. 

Gawn so. 

Why?  You know you all Indo Nazis don't really care for Muslims.  Apparently they are almost "as bad as blacks".

FM
seignet posted:

Then you shoud pay very close attention to the words of Edmund Burke. You, who knows better, is equally as guilty of racism in Guyana by simply thinking you are more intelligent than the Indo Nazi posse.

 

Banna, wha kinda nonsense yuh writing? Since when is it "racist" for one person to consider themselves smarter than another person (not  that I'm doing that)?

And for the record, it is very clear that the Indo kkk goofballs posting hay are dimwitted, uneducated, barely literate morons.

I'd never call you uneducated or barely literate. I'd just call you schupid. Is that "racist" too?

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
I am quite comfortable with where I am and don’t need to seek any further acknowledgements.

yes like I said a proud Indo Nazi.

But you do understand that what you say about me matters not to me right? 

FM
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caribny posted:
seignet posted:
Instead of chasing after the Indo Nazi, show us how you make a difference in your tribe.

You need to ask yourself where your evil need to denigrate, and humiliate black people came from.  Like your screams that black people "must be condemned to poverty" and your frequent rants of the laziness of blacks.

By his own account it was black people who educated him, trained him and started him in business. He then became involved with the PPP and the rest is history. He is now a bigot. 

FM
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caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
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Actually, dem bais was praising him. Until he dared criticize a black man’s proposal. Suddenly he is toxic. Blacks don’t want to be questioned about their actions. They immediately sound the race trumpet.

The only praise for him from me was that he isn't an Indo Nazi.  Even as I disagree with him I will not attach the anti black bigot label as I always attach to you.

the clown you are responding to is a pathological liar. He makes up his own stories and responds to his own non sequitirs. Confused and all ova de place. Which of the 3 black people here (that I know of) was ever "praising" VishMahabir?????????

FM
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caribny posted:
seignet posted:
Instead of chasing after the Indo Nazi, show us how you make a difference in your tribe.

The notion that I must prove to an Indo Nazi what I do to "help my tribe" is interesting. 

Of course those who I have helped, in my numerous community based activities over the years, as well as in my daily occupation, know who they arecks folks I .

You need to ask yourself where your evil need to denigrate, and humiliate black people came from.  Like your screams that black people "must be condemned to poverty" and your frequent rants of the laziness of blacks.

Bro, I have nothing but praises for the Blacks folks I KNOW PERSONALLY. They were very kind and generous in all ways. If I did not know them I would have deducted from the Blacks on this BB that your people were very hateful, spiteful and short tempered.

Fella why doan yuh behave yuhself. From all the shit you writing, you could be a nice chap. Try helping out some Indoes, you see how some of them living.  

S
Iguana posted:
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
Instead of chasing after the Indo Nazi, show us how you make a difference in your tribe.

You need to ask yourself where your evil need to denigrate, and humiliate black people came from.  Like your screams that black people "must be condemned to poverty" and your frequent rants of the laziness of blacks.

By his own account it was black people who educated him, trained him and started him in business. He then became involved with the PPP and the rest is history. He is now a bigot. 

Why must the Blackman always be stupid. I was never a member of any political party. If I came close in joining one, it was Asgar Ali. I attended their congress at the Pegasus. I met Eric Philips then, was the Candidate for Prime Minister. Even at that time, he had notions of grandeur-Guyana's Marcus Garvy.

S
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

How dare me??

No. How dare you friggin try to silence me when I raise questions about a person you admire and whose plan threaten to racially divide people...and one reported in the media.

Go on...I gon expose your racist bile    

Now.. go wash your mealy mouth with some listerine...

Haul yo racist arse!  

hmmm? . . . i am going to have to assume that you are simply very ignorant

and, like baseman, you spout ignorant sh!t simply because it sounds pat and worldly

and i am also not sure that you have the chops to create such a diabolical straw man to escape the quicksand you created and fell into on this thread

channeling Rudyard Kipling and his "white man's burden" with Black people as object is not a good look for any Indo bai or any bai in 2019 for that matter . . . look it up

the contempt is palpable and poisonous even if held together by jackass thinking and not-a-clue

so NO, it's OBVIOUSLY not about Eric Phillips

and YES, how dare you!

FM
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

How dare me??

No. How dare you friggin try to silence me when I raise questions about a person you admire and whose plan threaten to racially divide people...and one reported in the media.

Go on...I gon expose your racist bile    

Now.. go wash your mealy mouth with some listerine...

Haul yo racist arse!  

hmmm? . . . i am going to have to assume that you are simply very ignorant

and, like baseman, you spout ignorant sh!t simply because it sounds pat and worldly

and i am also not sure that you have the chops to create such a diabolical straw man to escape the quicksand you created and fell into on this thread

channeling Rudyard Kipling and his "white man's burden" with Black people as object is not a good look for any Indo bai or any bai in 2019 for that matter . . . look it up

the contempt is palpable and poisonous even if held together by jackass thinking and not-a-clue

so NO, it's OBVIOUSLY not about Eric Phillips

and YES, how dare you!

Yo need to buy Listerine by the drums for that mealy mouth ... oh, bury yourself inside... it will solve the problems faster. 

FM
Dave posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks!!...

...for clarifying that I am "Indo with black relatives"... this reductionist statement alone has placed my everlasting dysfunctional world in proper perspective and psychologically, in one fell swoop, you have put my over-burdened mind at ease...

...my quest for identity, which I always felt was more complex (foolishly  convincing myself sometimes with false pride that I may represent the best of two worlds and what Guyana has to offer), than I originally thought can now be put to rest for you have opened a brave new world for me....An epiphany!

Honestly, like Kipling's "white man's burden", I now feel like a heavy load has been lifted off my puny "Indo" shoulders....psychological liberation at last...free at last...right there in my sheltered little intrinsic "coolie" space! Never mind the mixed parents.

The dysfunctional tribal Indo KKKs is one thing...but if this is what Guyana has to offer humanity, then I can rest assured that that world is lost forever with this generation that expose themselves on GNI... 

Like i said... the racial tribalists are staring each other on both sides of the double-sided mirror...there is no safe space even from those who want to keep the tribes at bay...

banna, shut the f^ck up already about your bogus "quest for identity" . . . OK?

the entertainment aspect of your extended role playing on GNI is now past its useful shelf life

now, go ask someone who has done more than just read the title of Kipling's poem to help locate your gross insult to Black people

how dare you!

How dare me??

No. How dare you friggin try to silence me when I raise questions about a person you admire and whose plan threaten to racially divide people...and one reported in the media.

Go on...I gon expose your racist bile    

Now.. go wash your mealy mouth with some listerine...

Haul yo racist arse!  

hmmm? . . . i am going to have to assume that you are simply very ignorant

and, like baseman, you spout ignorant sh!t simply because it sounds pat and worldly

and i am also not sure that you have the chops to create such a diabolical straw man to escape the quicksand you created and fell into on this thread

channeling Rudyard Kipling and his "white man's burden" with Black people as object is not a good look for any Indo bai or any bai in 2019 for that matter . . . look it up

the contempt is palpable and poisonous even if held together by jackass thinking and not-a-clue

so NO, it's OBVIOUSLY not about Eric Phillips

and YES, how dare you!

Yo need to buy Listerine by the drums for that mealy mouth ... oh, bury yourself inside... it will solve the problems faster. 

Not brave enough. 

S
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

You call that crippled attempt at freestyle haiku oratorical? I called that scatterbrained, incoherent mumbling, with nonsensical arcane references that is known only to himself where plain English would do.

ohhhh, i remember the gooood times way back then when you called my ‘style’ positively poetic . . . remember?

lol

you and Freddie Kissoon belong in the same corner for immature, self-promoting never wasses

btw, pouting is for little girls (remember our little encounter on SN?); you don’t wear it well

smfh

Well, apparently the spirit of the muses departs when you venture to use the medium for vituperative crapola.

I do not know what in your ,mind it means to "have been". But I guess that comes from the same small place that degrades your poetic brilliance 

Little girls pouting is nature's way for eliciting attention and the benefaction from parents. Supplanting that imagery with puerile intent sullies not only poetic effect but erodes any hold one may have to the golden cord of reason. 

I wear pretty well. I am always the center of attention because I am good looking, selects good company and gifted with pleasing personal charm. I exceeded my expectations in life and is living good so your evaluation for being is from that small place in your mind again.

Have a nice day and enjoy this long weekend. I took off since Thursday and I am just peeking in.  You folks are far past any grounding in stable conversation.

Me and my dogs are watching the ladies beach test their 2019 summer bikinis, while sipping  morning coffee ( I have doggie treats for them), and inhaling the balmy, warm Atlantic as it foams in from 3000 miles of open ocean. Again,  have a nice day.

FM
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Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

You call that crippled attempt at freestyle haiku oratorical? I called that scatterbrained, incoherent mumbling, with nonsensical arcane references that is known only to himself where plain English would do.

ohhhh, i remember the gooood times way back then when you called my ‘style’ positively poetic . . . remember?

lol

you and Freddie Kissoon belong in the same corner for immature, self-promoting never wasses

btw, pouting is for little girls (remember our little encounter on SN?); you don’t wear it well

smfh

I do not know what in your, mind it means to "have been". But I guess that comes from the same small place that degrades your poetic brilliance

well, you seee . . . unlike Michelle Obama

when alyuh lose y'all way, get personal, and go "small"

bet that i will find a way to go 'smaller'

i got skills like that

uh huh

FM
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Stormborn posted:
 

Me and my dogs are watching the ladies beach test their 2019 summer bikinis, while sipping  morning coffee ( I have doggie treats for them), and inhaling the balmy, warm Atlantic as it foams in from 3000 miles of open ocean. Again,  have a nice day.

Hey Stormy, like yuh deh down heah fuh de long holiday weekend. 

FM
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

You call that crippled attempt at freestyle haiku oratorical? I called that scatterbrained, incoherent mumbling, with nonsensical arcane references that is known only to himself where plain English would do.

ohhhh, i remember the gooood times way back then when you called my ‘style’ positively poetic . . . remember?

lol

you and Freddie Kissoon belong in the same corner for immature, self-promoting never wasses

btw, pouting is for little girls (remember our little encounter on SN?); you don’t wear it well

smfh

I do not know what in your, mind it means to "have been". But I guess that comes from the same small place that degrades your poetic brilliance

well, you seee . . . unlike Michelle Obama

when alyuh lose y'all way, get personal, and go "small"

bet that i will find a way to go 'smaller'

i got skills like that

uh huh

you try deh! Small never  has a  premium!

FM
ksazma posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

Me and my dogs are watching the ladies beach test their 2019 summer bikinis, while sipping  morning coffee ( I have doggie treats for them), and inhaling the balmy, warm Atlantic as it foams in from 3000 miles of open ocean. Again,  have a nice day.

Hey Stormy, like yuh deh down heah fuh de long holiday weekend. 

Nah bai, I am hanging out with the "Beckeys" way north...Nantucket....Keep the "Maria's" warm for me.

FM
Stormborn posted:
ksazma posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

Me and my dogs are watching the ladies beach test their 2019 summer bikinis, while sipping  morning coffee ( I have doggie treats for them), and inhaling the balmy, warm Atlantic as it foams in from 3000 miles of open ocean. Again,  have a nice day.

Hey Stormy, like yuh deh down heah fuh de long holiday weekend. 

Nah bai, I am hanging out with the "Beckeys" way north...Nantucket....Keep the "Maria's" warm for me.

Sounds like a heck of a better deal than SoBe. 

FM
Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Thanks for the correction....and information...you seem to have a lot of insights into the operations of the inner circle of the ruling PNC government...

Perhaps you can explain why he is listed as a “University of Guyana, Business Management Faculty Member” 

 

@VishMahabir

Yuh BOSSES in ROAR led by toupee man advocate openly for Indo rights. Ah neva see yuh complain about  dem.

Nothing wrong with advocating for rights of a particular race, especially in a polarized society like Guyana where blacks and indians squabble over resources and compete for "ahwe own".

Now run along and check out Ravi Dev at his "partisan best" in some of he articles.

 

Hey hey hey...Green Sali bai...like de ROAR bacoo, doopy, jumbie, ole higue, moon gazer and spirits haunting yu too 

FM
seignet posted:

Why must the Blackman always be stupid. I was never a member of any political party. If I came close in joining one, it was Asgar Ali. I attended their congress at the Pegasus. I met Eric Philips then, was the Candidate for Prime Minister. Even at that time, he had notions of grandeur-Guyana's Marcus Garvy.

Suh I iz a stupid blackman, eh? Below is where you told us in no uncertain terms that you helped build the PPP. So you had to be a member. Ah doant know if yuh senile or if yuh is a big fat liar, but dis is wha yuh seh, complete wid you being in sackcloth and ashes and quoting de Bible and everything. And de thread is there to prove it. Yuh seh:

In 1950, I did not almost break my neck fetching Thunder and selling it to build the PPP so that the common man to be used by misfits. I did not go around showing people where to put an X by the CUP in the 1953 election to have the peoples rights trampled upon after 60 years. I did not dodge the Colonial Police to get money and provisions to Brindley Benn so that his offspring can abuse the common man who raised the money to feed him as a child. I was not a ghost writer in vain when I transcribed hundreds of letter to the Colonial government to free the 1953 political prisoners. I did not experience the suspension of the constitution in vain either-I know the PPP was at the time a communist satellite to the soviets and anti-American.

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/i...5#398601519877886635

FM
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Why must the Blackman always be stupid. I was never a member of any political party. If I came close in joining one, it was Asgar Ali. I attended their congress at the Pegasus. I met Eric Philips then, was the Candidate for Prime Minister. Even at that time, he had notions of grandeur-Guyana's Marcus Garvy.

Suh I iz a stupid blackman, eh? Below is where you told us in no uncertain terms that you helped build the PPP. So you had to be a member. Ah doant know if yuh senile or if yuh is a big fat liar, but dis is wha yuh seh, complete wid you being in sackcloth and ashes and quoting de Bible and everything. And de thread is there to prove it. Yuh seh:

In 1950, I did not almost break my neck fetching Thunder and selling it to build the PPP so that the common man to be used by misfits. I did not go around showing people where to put an X by the CUP in the 1953 election to have the peoples rights trampled upon after 60 years. I did not dodge the Colonial Police to get money and provisions to Brindley Benn so that his offspring can abuse the common man who raised the money to feed him as a child. I was not a ghost writer in vain when I transcribed hundreds of letter to the Colonial government to free the 1953 political prisoners. I did not experience the suspension of the constitution in vain either-I know the PPP was at the time a communist satellite to the soviets and anti-American.

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/i...5#398601519877886635

How old do you think I was then? My father was the activist, so involved he was that Her Majesty rounded him up and locked him away for a year at Mazaruni. 

S
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

For decades now I realized no Indian can speak for Blacks or to Blacks. We are not qualified even as Guyanese. Dem have Black pride juss to be prejudice.

By what epiphany did you arrive at this realization?

Blessd are the peacemakers. The man who said those words boggles ur mind. You restrict yourself from Godly Wisdom.

Are you a sample of the wisdom associated with godliness? Your inability to answer my simple question is an indication of your wisdom?

A
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
I am quite comfortable with where I am and don’t need to seek any further acknowledgements.

yes like I said a proud Indo Nazi.

But you do understand that what you say about me matters not to me right? 

Apparently it does bother you because you seem obsessed by this.  I already told you that I know that you are proud to be an Indo Nazi. So why repeat that you don't care?

FM
seignet posted:
 

 

Fella why doan yuh behave yuhself. From all the shit you writing, you could be a nice chap. Try helping out some Indoes, you see how some of them living.  

When I get engaged in community based programs I don't put Indians out of the room just because there are bigots who happen to be Indian who populate GNI.

In fact some of the younger Indos report heavy pressure from old people like you to be racist, and they increasingly reject it.  They will marry whoever they please even if folks like Yuji/Skeldon threaten them with an honor killing.

FM
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

 

Fella why doan yuh behave yuhself. From all the shit you writing, you could be a nice chap. Try helping out some Indoes, you see how some of them living.  

When I get engaged in community based programs I don't put Indians out of the room just because there are bigots who happen to be Indian who populate GNI.

In fact some of the younger Indos report heavy pressure from old people like you to be racist, and they increasingly reject it.  They will marry whoever they please even if folks like Yuji/Skeldon threaten them with an honor killing.

Look at this POS lying Pric* 

Please cease and desist from stating this lie one more time and I will sue your sorry black ass. 

FM
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

 

Fella why doan yuh behave yuhself. From all the shit you writing, you could be a nice chap. Try helping out some Indoes, you see how some of them living.  

When I get engaged in community based programs I don't put Indians out of the room just because there are bigots who happen to be Indian who populate GNI.

In fact some of the younger Indos report heavy pressure from old people like you to be racist, and they increasingly reject it.  They will marry whoever they please even if folks like Yuji/Skeldon threaten them with an honor killing.

I don't have to worry about this, never happened. You can relax and control your blood pressure. You don't see negroes as bigots heh? Let me let you in on a secret, they are worse than coolies. They resort to violence to prove it.

FM
yuji22 posted:
 

Look at this POS lying Pric* 

Please cease and desist from stating this lie one more time and I will sue your sorry black ass. 

So let us discuss your reaction if a grand daughter of yours brought home her black husband.  Both you and Skeldon become hysterical at the thought, scream that to imply this is to insult a "pure" Indian woman.

One of you openly boasted that an honor killing will be in order. Which one said so I don't care because the one who didn't will have similar sentiments.  Skeldon=Yuji.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
. They resort to violence to prove it.

Please describe scenarios when blacks beat up their kids and disown them if they marry an Indo.  They mightn't like it.  They might initially cuss down their kid and act cold towards the Indian.

The response of the Indian is more hostile and you know it.  It is a fact that blacks will fully accept a dougla more readily than Indians do. 

This is why most mixed people reject the PPP.

FM
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caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
. They resort to violence to prove it.

Please describe scenarios when blacks beat up their kids and disown them if they marry an Indo.  They mightn't like it.  They might initially cuss down their kid and act cold towards the Indian.

The response of the Indian is more hostile and you know it.  It is a fact that blacks will fully accept a dougla more readily than Indians do. 

This is why most mixed people reject the PPP.

Bai yuh know there is a social pecking order, Whites at the top, all other races in between and Blacks at the bottom when it comes to marriage and procreation. When a white procreates with a black, the child automatically becomes a black and is not considered to be of the white race. The poor black at the bottom of the hierarchy, now becomes the doormat for all other races, from chinese, korean, japanese, arabs, indos, hispanics etc. When there is an offspring that is part black, they automatically take on the black label and are pushed down to the bottom of the hierarchy. Where the unfortunate blacks are eager to accept them as they being of mixed heritage represents subconsciously an "improvement" over the black race. It is the sad truth of the matter. Once you embrace this fact then you will begin to understand the ways of the world.   

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Bai yuh know there is a social pecking order, Whites at the top, all other races in between and Blacks at the bottom when it comes to marriage and procreation. 

This is what you need to tell yourself so that you can feel good about who you are as you spend your time quenching that need for black vegetables.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Bai yuh know there is a social pecking order, Whites at the top, all other races in between and Blacks at the bottom when it comes to marriage and procreation. 

This is what you need to tell yourself so that you can feel good about who you are as you spend your time quenching that need for black vegetables.

You know this is the way it is, and the way it has always been. Don't blame the messenger,  since we are being honest, I am just telling it like it is. Am I lying?   I see when you at loss for a proper rebuttal, you now resort to homophobic retorts. 

FM
Drugb posted:
  I see when you at loss for a proper rebuttal, you now resort to homophobic retorts. 

No.  I just see a pathetic little man addicted to black vegetables so he pours out the same inane nonsense that a crack head does.

Go seek treatment for your aDICKtion.

FM
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