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What gives one person the right to arbitrarily dictate hellfire and damnation for the "crime" of belonging to a different belief system? Is it ego that compels one person, because of their "superior" belief, to condemn another because of an "inferior" belief - my god is better than your god, making you less?

When someone jumps and shouts out their epiphany to the world, should the world care because this person is now important? Is that what all this religious sermonizing is about? Broadcasting your importance for supposedly having a communion with god?

Any thoughts?

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My opinion is that from the beginning of time humans have sought to connect with something much more superior than themselves and the greater that thing the more real it is regarded. I don't see anything wrong with that even if it only achieve the effects of good habits and behavior. But then comes the challenge. Since we don't all think alike, our idea of that superior being will also differ. Now comes the turf war where everything gets sacrificed including the very essential motive for seeking a superior being in the first time.

Another element is the potential profits of separating oneself from the pack. We see this by the many denominations in Christian churches as well as different mosques or mandirs. Folks don't come together at Eid times or Phagwah melas because they fear they would have to split the purse.

FM
antabanta posted:

What gives one person the right to arbitrarily dictate hellfire and damnation for the "crime" of belonging to a different belief system? Is it ego that compels one person, because of their "superior" belief, to condemn another because of an "inferior" belief - my god is better than your god, making you less?

When someone jumps and shouts out their epiphany to the world, should the world care because this person is now important? Is that what all this religious sermonizing is about? Broadcasting your importance for supposedly having a communion with god?

Any thoughts?

If we had the answer that, much of the wars would have been prevented. A few years ago I was speaking with my father, I can't remember what exactly about, but he mentioned something about a belief in Judaism. I was much younger then and hot blooded so I asked if he was saying that he believed in Judaism. His answer was, "not at all but let me ask you a question". "You're a Muslim right?", to which I answered indignantly ,"YES". He pointed a man at the corner and said, "let's say that man isn't a muslim, do you believe that because he doesn't believe what you believe he has no god?". I had no response. That question answered volumes. True Religion comes from within. I believe that what we know as religion was created by man to control man and to also impose their will. How much of what was seen as visions and being touched by god can now be explained by modern day medicine? The Honourable Robert Nester Marley was asked if he believed in the bible. He smiled and asked which bible, the King James's bible which has been translated over the years? He added, "meh shore when dem translate dat bible dem nah translate fuh deh benefit of deh blackman". How much of what we are told and taught is true and true according to who?   

GTAngler

A man can sey wahever he wants. I doan have to pay him no mind. I believe wah I believe in. Being an Indian, I think brings me in closer to the fear of God. We  Hindu Indians are like that, God is everywhere and He has all kinds of forms. Just examine the words of the Buddah and all the other Indian sages, there is that unwavering belief that God is all seeing.

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

S
seignet posted:

A man can sey wahever he wants. I doan have to pay him no mind. I believe wah I believe in. Being an Indian, I think brings me in closer to the fear of God. We  Hindu Indians are like that, God is everywhere and He has all kinds of forms. Just examine the words of the Buddah and all the other Indian sages, there is that unwavering belief that God is all seeing.

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

There are too many of us around. We are secure.

FM
ksazma posted:

My opinion is that from the beginning of time humans have sought to connect with something much more superior than themselves and the greater that thing the more real it is regarded. I don't see anything wrong with that even if it only achieve the effects of good habits and behavior. But then comes the challenge. Since we don't all think alike, our idea of that superior being will also differ. Now comes the turf war where everything gets sacrificed including the very essential motive for seeking a superior being in the first time.

Another element is the potential profits of separating oneself from the pack. We see this by the many denominations in Christian churches as well as different mosques or mandirs. Folks don't come together at Eid times or Phagwah melas because they fear they would have to split the purse.

The problem is those individuals who beat their chests proclaiming their belief while condemning other, because they're told to, don't realize they're being used to establish a power base for someone or some other group to use.

A
seignet posted:

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

So we should all ignore those idiots who run around condemning others to hellfire?

I think Christian can be credited with a much larger legacy for beating up other people. You forget that a mostly Hindu India was under the colonial, Christian yoke for over two hundred years.

A
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I find that as people become more involved in the church or church activities, they also become more intolerant to others. Since I am not able to assert that they are doing this consciously, I have to stick with it being an unintended consequence of their involvement. It is not difficult to observe these individuals seeing faults in others such as they don't attend churches, mandirs or mosques as often as they should or that their monetary or otherwise contributions are not sufficient. In my opinion, when one gets to that stage, they are no longer benefiting from that religious or spiritual endeavor.

But there is also another aspect that is equally concerning. That is the desire to export one's faith, culture or customs. I once viewed a video of a German who became a Muslim who pointed out that while he has become a Muslim, he continued to dress as he always did in western garb i.e. suits. He stated that he does not see the need to change his attire to an Arabic garment to solidify his Muslim faith. That was significant to me because I see many people dressing in Arabic garment and not really realizing that it may be Saudi Arabia's method of promulgating Islam. I personally don't care for the Muslim gown for the very essential Muslim creed of 'cleanliness is next to Godliness'. Most of those gowns sweeps the road on one's way to the mosque. Certainly that is not how the Prophet wore his gown as his went no lower than around halfway between his knees and ankle. One sees the same with Hindu churchgoers but I am not in a position to make any assessment on that as I don't necessarily know of all the intricacies involved with their chosen attire. I think these are all methods to export one's customs whether the person doing it is aware of it or not.

FM
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

So we should all ignore those idiots who run around condemning others to hellfire?

I think Christian can be credited with a much larger legacy for beating up other people. You forget that a mostly Hindu India was under the colonial, Christian yoke for over two hundred years.

Indians are  a special race of people. We bear our chafee. We can be found in all the relgions of the world. Our minds are in tune wid God. A Godly person has no room for condemmation of others. His relationship with God is a personal one. The Bible seys, IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD there will be only 144000 at the end times. I believe every one of them will be Professors of The Christ. 

 

S
seignet posted:

A man can sey wahever he wants. I doan have to pay him no mind. I believe wah I believe in. Being an Indian, I think brings me in closer to the fear of God. We  Hindu Indians are like that, God is everywhere and He has all kinds of forms. Just examine the words of the Buddah and all the other Indian sages, there is that unwavering belief that God is all seeing.

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

DemHindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

According to their belief any one who believe in God,can be considered a Hindu,their religion, or a "way of life" with "no founder"

Dated between 500 BCE and 300 CE following the Vedic period 1500 BCE to 500 BCE,considered to be the oldest in the world.

Django
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seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

So we should all ignore those idiots who run around condemning others to hellfire?

I think Christian can be credited with a much larger legacy for beating up other people. You forget that a mostly Hindu India was under the colonial, Christian yoke for over two hundred years.

Indians are  a special race of people. We bear our chafee. We can be found in all the relgions of the world. Our minds are in tune wid God. A Godly person has no room for condemmation of others. His relationship with God is a personal one. The Bible seys, IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD there will be only 144000 at the end times. I believe every one of them will be Professors of The Christ. 

 

So here's the thing. Why try to push any religion and try to save the world when it is already known the amount of persons who will be saved because heaven doesn't have room for too many...they cannot have standing room only? From what I understand here, these folk are already chosen so wheter or not we keep in line chances are we cork duck.

cain
cain posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

So we should all ignore those idiots who run around condemning others to hellfire?

I think Christian can be credited with a much larger legacy for beating up other people. You forget that a mostly Hindu India was under the colonial, Christian yoke for over two hundred years.

Indians are  a special race of people. We bear our chafee. We can be found in all the relgions of the world. Our minds are in tune wid God. A Godly person has no room for condemmation of others. His relationship with God is a personal one. The Bible seys, IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD there will be only 144000 at the end times. I believe every one of them will be Professors of The Christ. 

 

So here's the thing. Why try to push any religion and try to save the world when it is already known the amount of persons who will be saved because heaven doesn't have room for too many...they cannot have standing room only? From what I understand here, these folk are already chosen so wheter or not we keep in line chances are we cork duck.

I've not been following these post due to some ignorance that's not worth replying too. But what I have highlighted about is false. There is no set number, could you an provide me with where you got that information I would be grateful.  

Keith
cain posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

So we should all ignore those idiots who run around condemning others to hellfire?

I think Christian can be credited with a much larger legacy for beating up other people. You forget that a mostly Hindu India was under the colonial, Christian yoke for over two hundred years.

Indians are  a special race of people. We bear our chafee. We can be found in all the relgions of the world. Our minds are in tune wid God. A Godly person has no room for condemmation of others. His relationship with God is a personal one. The Bible seys, IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD there will be only 144000 at the end times. I believe every one of them will be Professors of The Christ. 

 

So here's the thing. Why try to push any religion and try to save the world when it is already known the amount of persons who will be saved because heaven doesn't have room for too many...they cannot have standing room only? From what I understand here, these folk are already chosen so wheter or not we keep in line chances are we cork duck.

God who is ever seeing knows who will make it. Out of the billions of souls that graced the earth there is never known which soul(not person)will be in that 144,000. Buddah says, the soul travels for thousands of years until it reaches nirvana(oneness with God).

S

Who are these 144,000?

Who are the 144,000? will depend on which interpretive approach you take to the book of Revelation. With the exception of the futurist approach, all of the other approaches interpret the 144,000 symbolically, as representative of the church and the number 144,000 being symbolic of the totality, that is, the complete number of the church. Yet when taken at face value: "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel" (Revelation 7:4), nothing in the passage leads to interpreting the 144,000 as anything but a literal number of Jews 12,000 taken from every tribe of the "sons of Israel." The New Testament offers no clear cut text replacing Israel with the church.

Much of the confusion regarding the 144,000 is a result of the false doctrine of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Some facts about the 144,000 from Revelation 7 and Revelation 14 give us insight regarding their identity.

1. They are called the children of Israel, Revelation 7.

2. Their tribal affiliation is specific, Revelation 7:4-8.

3. They seem to be protected and triumphant through the period of God's wrath, meeting with Jesus at Mount Zion at His return Revelation 714:1.

4. They are celibate, Revelation 14:4.

5. They are the beginning of a greater harvest, Revelation 14:4.

6. They are marked by integrity and faithfulness, Revelation 14:5.

Taken together, these facts make it difficult to say that the 144,000 are a symbolic picture of the church.

1. Israel is a term never specifically applied to the church in the New Testament, and never by any Christian until 160 A.D.

2. Their tribal affiliation is emphatic and known to God. Even if God only knows it, there is absolutely no reason to regard their tribal affiliation as symbolic, not literal.

3. It is difficult to imagine the entire church surviving through the tribulation without martyrdom, and remaining celibate through the period, something that was never required for the church as a whole, 1 Corinthians 7:1-6.

4. If the 144,000 are a symbol of the entire church, what greater harvest are they the beginning of?

It is best to see the 144,000 as specifically chosen Jewish believers in Jesus, protectively sealed throughout the tribulation as a sign.

These Jews are sealed, which means they have the special protection of God from all of the divine judgments and from the Antichrist to perform their mission during the tribulation period (look at Revelation 6:17, in which people will wonder who can stand from the wrath to come). The tribulation period is a future seven-year period of time in which God will enact divine judgment against those who reject Him and will complete His plan of salvation for the nation of Israel. All of this is according to God’s revelation to the prophet Daniel (Daniel 9:24–27). The 144,000 Jews are a sort of first fruits (Revelation 14:4) of a redeemed Israel which has been previously prophesied (Zechariah 12:10; Romans 11:25–27), and their mission seems to be to evangelize the post-rapture world and proclaim the gospel during the tribulation period. As a result of their ministry, millions "a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language" (Revelation 7:9) will come to faith in Christ.

Keith

Everything about Christianity and the Bible is make believe. And in the end they are all being proven to be incorrect. Take for instance the 'Finding Jesus' episode last night. They were seeking to determine if Peter ever made it to Rome. Now the Vatican has some bones that they declared are Peter's but they are not available for carbon testing. Fortunately the scientists were able to get part of what they claim is Peter's cross and lo and behold, the carbon testing proved that it was from the 3rd century and not during Peter's time.

Oh, by the way. Peter doesn't know the name Peter. His name was Simon. The church make up the name by translating Cephas which stands for the rock.

FM

Everyone has the right to believe what he or she believes. The more educated we get, the more questions we have. There is proof that we've evolved. Some accept and some refuse. I believe that there is a higher form of intelligence that created us maybe not along the timeline religion teaches us. Regardless of how far back we go, religion and science have to meet. Another example of why I tend to be skeptical about what we are taught. There is a sculpture of Moses commissioned by Pope Julius II that depicts him with horns. It was based on a translation of the bible used at that time. The actual description was "rays of light emanating from his head", but the scribe misinterpreted read that as horns.

GTAngler
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seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:

I doan give three hoots for those who besmirch God, let dem try deh with dem condemnation.

Dem Hindus doan try convincing anybody about God. Only dem duz beatup Christians.

So we should all ignore those idiots who run around condemning others to hellfire?

I think Christian can be credited with a much larger legacy for beating up other people. You forget that a mostly Hindu India was under the colonial, Christian yoke for over two hundred years.

Indians are  a special race of people. We bear our chafee. We can be found in all the relgions of the world. Our minds are in tune wid God. A Godly person has no room for condemmation of others. His relationship with God is a personal one. The Bible seys, IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD there will be only 144000 at the end times. I believe every one of them will be Professors of The Christ. 

 

So Christians are wrong to condemn others?

A

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