Reform necessary for PPP/C to win future elections

caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

You are wrong, Ramoutar was the person who lost the elections. I don't see how you could blame Jagdeo for this. In fact the afc/apnu were petrified when it appeared that Jagdeo was going to try to change the constitution and run for a 3rd term. Let us not rewrite history, please stick to the facts. 

Druggy, like you forget how the PPP/C handed out free chicken  and fried rice to get people to come out to their meetings and also the rent a crowd gimmick using Guysuco trucks to transport people from other regions to create the illusion that they had massive support. In the end they only fooled them selves.

It will be a long time before the PPP is back in power; if ever.

How can you declare a party dead (PPP) that won almost 50% of the votes? They did very well everywhere except in regions 5 and 6. The PNC never won more 10% of the votes in Courantyne in prior elections but managed to capture 36% in 2015 with the help of Nagamotoo and Ramjattan. In region 5, the results show that AFC/APNU ran away with 45% of the votes. The ancient county is where the PPP did poorly. Don't ever think that Berbice is forever lost. 

caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

The man is a gift to PNC right now. He singlehandedly caused the 5% Indos to vote coalition. The man is a gift on a silver platter. All Granger has to do is muddle through...as he is now doing...and draw down on the gift that is Jagdeo.

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

You are wrong, Ramoutar was the person who lost the elections. I don't see how you could blame Jagdeo for this. In fact the afc/apnu were petrified when it appeared that Jagdeo was going to try to change the constitution and run for a 3rd term. Let us not rewrite history, please stick to the facts. 

LOL! Just a BIG FAT Sarcastic LOL!!!

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

You are wrong, Ramoutar was the person who lost the elections. I don't see how you could blame Jagdeo for this. In fact the afc/apnu were petrified when it appeared that Jagdeo was going to try to change the constitution and run for a 3rd term. Let us not rewrite history, please stick to the facts. 

Jagdeo had effective control over Ramotar.  Jagdeo took over the campaign.  Jagdeo had enough control over the PPP to push out Ramotar, and block any one else who had designs to replace him.

So yes Jagdeo is to blame for the loss.

TK posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

The man is a gift to PNC right now. He singlehandedly caused the 5% Indos to vote coalition. The man is a gift on a silver platter. All Granger has to do is muddle through...as he is now doing...and draw down on the gift that is Jagdeo.

The power that Harmon has comes from the fact that Nagamootoo is powerless.  Why>  Because neither he nor the other refugees from the PPP will return with Jagdeo at the head. The AFC cannot stand on its own, as it had no constituency of its own.

caribny posted:
TK posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

The man is a gift to PNC right now. He singlehandedly caused the 5% Indos to vote coalition. The man is a gift on a silver platter. All Granger has to do is muddle through...as he is now doing...and draw down on the gift that is Jagdeo.

The power that Harmon has comes from the fact that Nagamootoo is powerless.  Why>  Because neither he nor the other refugees from the PPP will return with Jagdeo at the head. The AFC cannot stand on its own, as it had no constituency of its own.

I don't think that's really the main problem with the AFC today. The problem is they dropped the strong policy advocacy that they had in 2011. In 2011 APNU brought out their manifesto 3 days before the election. That was a slap in the face of Guyanese, but they scored well with the ethnic votes. When a party can't put together a manifesto it means it has not thought seriously about policies and consistency of proposals. AFC led the way in 2011 putting out its manifesto 10 months before the election. After 2011 the leadership of AFC dropped this approach, so when the coalition came they were just as policy deficient as PNC. They did a better job bargaining for their personal benefits instead of thinking about how to govern. The ACF is also suffering from the PPP and PNC cancer...they can't understand that some people will prefer to think about proposals that are better for the country...that sometimes the party's interest will have to come second, third,...

TK posted:
caribny posted:
TK posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
TK posted:

Why are you seeing Donald as a scape goat? He is not the main problem. Yes, he could be President today had he governed more responsibly. Had he given in to some of the demands from the majority opposition from 2011. The reason he did not govern responsibly was because Jagdeo was pulling his strings and he did not have the intellectual stamina to take on Jagdeo.

But now it seems Jagdeo still pulling the strings, even of key members in the PNC.  Isn't that something!

The PNC is so overjoyed that Jagdeo is back.  The bytch has kept all the Indos who seriously hate him off the PPP farm. He also keeps those non Indians who are disappointed with Granger away from the PPP because they hate Jagdeo more.

Pity your Indo KKK blinders prevent you from understanding this.

The man is a gift to PNC right now. He singlehandedly caused the 5% Indos to vote coalition. The man is a gift on a silver platter. All Granger has to do is muddle through...as he is now doing...and draw down on the gift that is Jagdeo.

The power that Harmon has comes from the fact that Nagamootoo is powerless.  Why>  Because neither he nor the other refugees from the PPP will return with Jagdeo at the head. The AFC cannot stand on its own, as it had no constituency of its own.

I don't think that's really the main problem with the AFC today. The problem is they dropped the strong policy advocacy that they had in 2011. In 2011 APNU brought out their manifesto 3 days before the election. That was a slap in the face of Guyanese, but they scored well with the ethnic votes. When a party can't put together a manifesto it means it has not thought seriously about policies and consistency of proposals. AFC led the way in 2011 putting out its manifesto 10 months before the election. After 2011 the leadership of AFC dropped this approach, so when the coalition came they were just as policy deficient as PNC. They did a better job bargaining for their personal benefits instead of thinking about how to govern. The ACF is also suffering from the PPP and PNC cancer...they can't understand that some people will prefer to think about proposals that are better for the country...that sometimes the party's interest will have to come second, third,...

Guyanese care less about the Manifesto. In fact AFC increased their votes only slightly in 2011, over their 2006 performance.  We don't know where their true support comes from these days as they no longer have an independent identity. 

 

It is also blatantly obvious that the AFC represents two factions.  Berbice Indians, and upper middle class G/town people of diverse ethnicities.  I suspect separation from the coalition would blast this problem into the open. 

In fact many of the latter, as well as many in APNU, see the Berbice AFC Indians as PPP men, who have a deep hatred for Jagdeo. They don't seem able to operate outside of a purely Indian context.

caribny posted:

I suggest that until the PPP addresses why 80% of the mixed population, these being people who do NOT have a strong racial/ethnic affiliation, reject them, it will lose.  The mixed population is the most rapidly growing voter base, and any that ignore this are being quite foolish.

Shhhh....Hush!!!!

You want the PPP win, Carib? Why you giving them top-class ideas?

caribny posted:

Jagdeo had effective control over Ramotar.  Jagdeo took over the campaign.  Jagdeo had enough control over the PPP to push out Ramotar, and block any one else who had designs to replace him.

So yes Jagdeo is to blame for the loss.

Now you are being ridiculous, Ramotar was the man running for president, not Jagdeo. It appears that you fear Jagdeo so much that the man gives you nightmares and hallucinations.  If the apnu/afc don't turn this economy around I believe Guyana will let the PPP back into office. They may be down but not out.  

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Jagdeo had effective control over Ramotar.  Jagdeo took over the campaign.  Jagdeo had enough control over the PPP to push out Ramotar, and block any one else who had designs to replace him.

So yes Jagdeo is to blame for the loss.

Now you are being ridiculous, Ramotar was the man running for president, not Jagdeo. It appears that you fear Jagdeo so much that the man gives you nightmares and hallucinations.  If the apnu/afc don't turn this economy around I believe Guyana will let the PPP back into office. They may be down but not out.  

fella still asleep

 

Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

I suggest that until the PPP addresses why 80% of the mixed population, these being people who do NOT have a strong racial/ethnic affiliation, reject them, it will lose.  The mixed population is the most rapidly growing voter base, and any that ignore this are being quite foolish.

Shhhh....Hush!!!!

You want the PPP win, Carib? Why you giving them top-class ideas?

Naah man.  The Indo KKK thinks that the only votes they need to get are Berbice Indians.    No one contaminated with any African ancestry is good enough to be worthy, so screams their Grand Wizard Jagdeo,  After all wasn't the PNCs biggest crime fostering "douglarization"?

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Jagdeo had effective control over Ramotar.  Jagdeo took over the campaign.  Jagdeo had enough control over the PPP to push out Ramotar, and block any one else who had designs to replace him.

So yes Jagdeo is to blame for the loss.

Now you are being ridiculous, Ramotar was the man running for president, not Jagdeo. It appears that you fear Jagdeo so much that the man gives you nightmares and hallucinations.  If the apnu/afc don't turn this economy around I believe Guyana will let the PPP back into office. They may be down but not out.  

Jagdeo had his hands so far up Ramotar's butt that he even moved Ramotar's lips.  Ramotar was a puppet and only a drug addict like you don't know this.

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Jagdeo had effective control over Ramotar.  Jagdeo took over the campaign.  Jagdeo had enough control over the PPP to push out Ramotar, and block any one else who had designs to replace him.

So yes Jagdeo is to blame for the loss.

Now you are being ridiculous, Ramotar was the man running for president, not Jagdeo. It appears that you fear Jagdeo so much that the man gives you nightmares and hallucinations.  If the apnu/afc don't turn this economy around I believe Guyana will let the PPP back into office. They may be down but not out.  

Jagdeo had his hands so far up Ramotar's butt that he even moved Ramotar's lips.  Ramotar was a puppet and only a drug addict like you don't know this.

Oh rass baie is what you gone an do now. Druggy gonna get excited and go apply for dah puppet position.

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