Putin eats Trump's lunch in Helsinki -- This is no way to win against Russia

Putin eats Trump's lunch in Helsinki -- This is no way to win against Russia

Monday in Helsinki, President Trump left many deeply disappointed in his approach to his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

There was nothing inherently wrong with Trump’s summit with Putin. In fact, I would argue that in many cases, some of the best diplomacy comes through face-to-face meetings with adversaries. Still, the meeting was highly problematic in how little Trump delivered on the serious issues surrounding Vladimir Putin and Russia’s place in the modern world.

At their joint press conference, President Putin was calculated and in control. Conversely, President Trump seemed to lack authority, praising Putin when he should have been condemning him, and ceding opportunities to confront Putin on his most egregious actions of the past decade – including meddling in the 2016 election and the illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014.

During Putin and Trump’s prepared remarks, it was rather obvious who had led the discussion. While President Putin laid out a clear framework for advancing Russian interests within the context of U.S.-Russia relations, Trump appeared to have had little plan, alternating between vague promises of improving our relationship with Russia and spending too much time on U.S. domestic affairs, notably the 2016 presidential election. Instead of holding Putin accountable for his election interference, he referenced his defeat of Hillary Clinton.

For a sitting U.S. president to say publicly that he believes a foreign leader over his own intelligence team is shocking and admonishable. At a time when our democracy faces grave threats, it is deeply troubling that the president would side with the very country who attacked us.

When Trump said, “It’s a shame that there could even be a little bit of a cloud over it. People know that, people understand it,” it was a clear example of him circumventing the question.

At one point, President Trump even cited, incorrectly, the Electoral College tallies from over two years ago. This was all in an attempt to deflect questions that he was apparently unable to answer.

Crucially, there were no concessions from Russia on any of the issues that needed to be addressed. Even more concerning, Trump was unwilling to even make the United States’ case on these issues, and the failure to hear concessions from Putin mirrors the lack of follow-through on the grand promises of the recent North Korean summit with another murderous authoritarian, Kim Jong Un.

Despite each nation backing different sides in the Syrian conflict, Trump suggested he and Putin would begin working in conjunction to bring humanitarian aid to the people of Syria, regardless of the fact that the need for humanitarian aid largely stems from Putin’s unabashed support for Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad.

Additionally, Trump also failed to address the concerns of our NATO allies Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in the Baltics regarding the territorial threats they persistently face.

Trump, throughout the entire press conference, failed to condemn or even acknowledge the illegality of Putin’s actions in Crimea and Ukraine.

When asked if he would hold Russia accountable for any of its past actions, Trump deflected and deferred. President Trump’s unwillingness to stand up to Russia on this issue only serves to weaken the Western alliance and encourage further Russian incursions into the territory of sovereign nations now that Putin knows Trump will give him a pass.

Most importantly, on election meddling, Trump refused to stand with U.S. intelligence and charge Putin with interference, saying he doesn’t “see any reason why it would be” the Russians carrying out the illegal meddling.

For a sitting U.S. president to say publicly that he believes a foreign leader over his own intelligence team is shocking and admonishable. At a time when our democracy faces grave threats, it is deeply troubling that the president would side with the very country who attacked us.

Additionally, Trump’s failure to distinguish between campaign collusion and Russia’s blatant attack on our democracy allowed Putin to sow more discord during the press conference.

“Could you name a single fact that would definitely prove the collusion? This is utter nonsense, just like the president recently mentioned,” Putin told a reporter.

Trump, and our country for that matter, can only win against Putin if we are assertive about American goals and our values. President Trump failed to accomplish that on Monday. 

Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing.

As some very wise analysts have noted, this strategy is like allowing a criminal to investigate his own crimes. It is foolish and naive and President Trump must simply do better going forward. 

Douglas E. Schoen is a Fox News contributor. He has more than 30 years experience as a pollster and political consultant. His new book is "Putin's Master Plan".. Follow him on Twitter @DouglasESchoen.

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Demerara_Guy posted:

Putin eats Trump's lunch in Helsinki -- This is no way to win against Russia


Trump, and our country for that matter, can only win against Putin if we are assertive about American goals and our values. President Trump failed to accomplish that on Monday. 

Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing.

Again, Putin has Trump is an extremely "tight squeeze" that he-Trump can hardly breathe but to "parrot" everything to please Putin/Russia.

Image result for Putin plays Trump like a fiddle, cartoons

Summary of the meeting in Helsinki shows the following ...

1. Putin had complete control of the meeting while Trump was babbling incoherently with praises for Putin.

2. Trump praised Putin and assigned no faults against Putin/Russia.

3. Trump accepted, yet again, Putin's statement that Russia did not get involved with the US_of_A's elections in 2016 without presenting specific questions and issues.

4. This is an extremely worst outcome by the president of the US_of_A in relations with a country.

6. Putin gave Trump a ball for him-Trump to play with his kindergarten friends.

7. Etc., etc., etc..

Stupid ppl can do stupid things.

Kim Jong Un is Stupid and build bombs to drop on America.

Vlad Putin is only ONE stupidman, NATO exist only keep him in check. Yet he took Crimea, rigged America elections, blowup planes in the sky and backup those who fight ISIS.

Trump is wan stupidman too, percieved by our bright Guyanesez. Now, wah would happen if he was to blow up Russia and North America? Would he be considered smart all of a sudden?

Just, maybe  Trump already knows how bad those chaps are and he just wan to guage dem for a suitable response.

Doan fuget, Obama said Trump must not be trusted wid the nuclear codes.

Ppl want Trump to talk fight talk, yet must not be trusted with bombs.

Trump doan mince words.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Summary of the meeting in Helsinki shows the following ...

1. Putin had complete control of the meeting while Trump was babbling incoherently with praises for Putin.

2. Trump praised Putin and assigned no faults against Putin/Russia.

3. Trump accepted, yet again, Putin's statement that Russia did not get involved with the US_of_A's elections in 2016 without presenting specific questions and issues.

4. This is an extremely worst outcome by the president of the US_of_A in relations with a country.

6. Putin gave Trump a ball for him-Trump to play with his kindergarten friends.

7. Etc., etc., etc..

What is your record of political prognostications here? You are more often than not DEAD WRONG! I will ignore your kindergarten like "summary" and offer the following for consideration. Consider it playing devil's advocate or whatever.

The "intelligence services" armed Colin Powell with "intelligence" that saddam had yellow cake nuke material. Powell went to the UN and was made to look like a damn fool, his political career ruined.

The same "intelligence services" told Bush Saddam had WMD. How did that work out? (And I'm pretty sure you were here jumping up and down about what an idiot Bush was for believing saddam had WMD).

Now to present day. We just had a congressional hearing where the anti Trump bias of individuals in the FBI was on full display to the extent they swore they would do everything possible to stop Trump.

And now you expect Trump to go to war with Putin based on "findings" of these same anti Trump "intelligence personnel" in the FBI? Trump wasn't born yesterday. The allegedly tampered DNC servers were never examined by independent sources and have now disappeared. You want Trump to take solely the word of people who tried  to set him up before?

Trump is an unconventional fella. He goes with his gut feeling, and it has helped him defy all the odds. Something smells rotten in Helsinki. If the info Trump is handed is false (see Powell) and he agitates with Russia, YOU will be the first one peddling your sophomoric shit about how he went to war with Russia based on poor intelligence!

Nehru posted:

Sad day for America. Centuries of honor, respect and leadership has been wiped out!!!

Yep..it sure has. How sad a country can be mislead so bad by one fakeass dingbat. I cannot recall any President being the main news every friken day as this fool. Most of what passes for news nowadays is all mainly lying and bullshit coming out of a so called President. Sad.

Baseman posted:

If Trump was in power in 2015, the PPP would have been in power today.  He would never have approve of the Coup d'etat!

True.

Most Guyanese are supporting Democrats despite the fact that two Democrat administration toppled the PPP twice. Guyanese need to have look in the mirror.

It looks good on the Democrats being in opposition. Payback is a Byt**.

I hope that the democrats stay in opposition for a very LOOOOONGGGG time.

skeldon_man posted:
Ray posted:

Putin must have cum all over Trump...preserve Trump outfit for stains...ala Monica L

You sayin' Frump gave Putin a head job?

As Frump would say, a good one...a really good one... better than the best.

cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Ray posted:

Putin must have cum all over Trump...preserve Trump outfit for stains...ala Monica L

You sayin' Frump gave Putin a head job?

As Frump would say, a good one...a really good one... better than the best.

His favorite words: Amazing, Tremendous, and Unbelievable HEAD JOB.

Demerara_Guy posted:

I think  a more appropriate cartoon would be Trump bending over and wining on a Russian stick, but that wouldn't be allowed.

Clearly Trump is Putin's bytch. A mere week after he was screaming at his NATO allies this is what he does.  The UK already meets its 2% defense expenditure levels and is actively involved in almost every military adventure including the USA.  Canada also usually involved, but yet they are called foes of the USA.

The Dems need to show Trump praising Putin and criticizing the USA. For people who are quick to condemn people who "Hate America" this ought to have some of them thinking if it is rubbed into their faces.  All they need to do is to quote the GOP politicians saying exactly this.

I never thought that I would see the day when Canada is considered a "national security risk" and Russia is our "best friend".

Trump needs to come clean and tell us exactly what Putin has on him.  Why is this love affair?  Why is he Putin's bytch?

I would bet the conversation between Putin and Trump had to do with building hotels and golf courses and not one dam thing to do with America. I said before and say it again, Trump should be charged for treason.

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