PPP preparing for the long journey into the wilderness.

PPP preparing for the long journey into the wilderness.

Do you know that Cheddi Jagan was once the president of both the Rice Producers’ Association (RPA) and the Rice Marketing Board and never owned even a square foot of rice land? Jagan also became president of GAWU and never worked a day in the sugar industry. The story of PPP front groups is as old as Guyana itself.
After it lost power in 1964, the PPP formed a number of front organisations. The purpose was to attract civil society whose members would prefer not to be overtly friendly with political parties. The PPP functioned through GAWU, the RPA and a number of other organisations but the masquerade never fooled anyone because the leadership of the PPP was reproduced in those organisations.
For example, Harry Lall, president of GAWU was always a PPP Member of Parliament and a top leader in the PPP hierarchy. Komal Chand, his successor, possesses the identical status as Lall did. It is interesting to note that throughout its history (and this may shock many readers), the RPA never had elections, whether competitive or selective. In the seventies, there were the East German Friendship Society and Soviet Friendship Society. Both owned and controlled by Freedom House.
In the US and Canada, the PPP functioned through a group called the Association of Concerned Guyanese. Gail Teixeira was once its president and at the time of the PPP victory in the 1992 general elections, its president was Sash Sawh who later became Minister of Agriculture. One of the shell entities that the PPP used in its attempt to get close to civil society and attract African Guyanese to its cause was the Guyana Peace Council. Cheddi Jagan was its first chairman.
This shell group never emphasised local politics. Its platform centered on the African liberation struggle, Non-Alignment, decolonisation, the Vietnam War and apartheid.
The essential goal of all these organisations was to act on behalf of the PPP but they all failed. And they failed for a commonsensical reason – you could not distinguish them from the PPP. If the leader of the opposition was the chairman of the Peace Council, then why would you think it would be an independent body? Which judge on Planet Earth would be accepted if he/she sits in the leadership of a political party?
Last week, a little event went unnoticed but it has large significance for Guyana. I would say it is indicative of the PPP’s resignation that it isn’t going to get back in power soon and it is attempting to maximise all its strengths to attract converts for that day in the future when it may be possible for it to win government again. But a party can only be attractive if it operates with sensible, intellectual leadership.
The PPP has resuscitated the Guyana Peace Council at the Cheddi Jagan Research Centre. The masquerade from the fifties continues. All of the executives are PPP leaders with some being parliamentarians. Heading the outfit is Clement Rohee; his deputy is Juan Edghill. The other executives include Bibi Shadick, MP Norman Whitaker, Donald Ramotar, Carvil Duncan. The episode was a joke not because of who were its leaders but the statement it put out.
The theme of the peace council is “in pursuit of peace” and the statement includes words to the effect that people in Guyana should strive for peace and development. This is coming from a Chairman who as a Cabinet Minister for 23 years told the media; “I have so much to think about and you people are telling me about torture by the police force.”
The people in this outfit were in the government when an underaged boy was tortured and had his genital parts burnt. When he won compensation by the courts, the very government appealed the decision.
This organisation includes a person who was a minister at the time when a video clip circulated showing young men having sex with young ladies. The minister’s nephew was involved and the minister said that the girls liked it so why the fuss on social media.
This entity has in its leadership a parliamentarian who refused to leave the House when ordered. When police were summoned to remove him, his fellow parliament attempted to restrain the policemen and in the process, one policeman was beaten.
Some of the female parliamentarians involved in that attack on the police rank are in the revived peace council. These are the very parliamentarian who lied to the world by saying that in the confusion inside the sacred chambers of parliament, policemen tried to rape both male and female parliamentarians of the PPP. It was a morbid fiction reflective of morbid people.

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For the 2015 elections PPPC got 32 seats and PNCR cum Others 33.

2015 results showed that PPPC lost by about 4,000 votes; less than 2% of the total national total. For such situations, there must be a recount with representatives from all parties present at the proceedings.

No recount was undertaken by GECOM plus it did not address the various issues/reports regarding voter-fraudulent.

Agreed with Nehru; PPPC will win any election which free and fair.

Riff posted:

people still moaning bout recount

Ow Bhai, dem PPP like fuh play de victim role. Dem still crying about the British and Americans conspiring against dem in '64. They still have another 50 years to whine about recount.

Chief posted:

Let's not forget Burnham outwitted D'Guiar and the Portuguese as well.

D'Aguiar opted out of the coalition when he got wind of Burnham illegally rigging the voting in '68. The Portuguese responded by selling out their assets and moving to Toronto (mostly after nationalization in the early 70's), leaving Burnham and his followers to implode, so who really was outwitted?

Mars posted:
Chief posted:

Let's not forget Burnham outwitted D'Guiar and the Portuguese as well.

D'Aguiar opted out of the coalition when he got wind of Burnham illegally rigging the voting in '68. The Portuguese responded by selling out their assets and moving to Toronto (mostly after nationalization in the early 70's), leaving Burnham and his followers to implode, so who really was outwitted?

Facts and History speak for itself. If D'Aguiar did not form the Government with Burnham, PPP would have been in power. 

D'Aguiar remained with his business in Guyana and even expanded under the PNC. 

 

Mars posted:
Chief posted:

Let's not forget Burnham outwitted D'Guiar and the Portuguese as well.

D'Aguiar opted out of the coalition when he got wind of Burnham illegally rigging the voting in '68. The Portuguese responded by selling out their assets and moving to Toronto (mostly after nationalization in the early 70's), leaving Burnham and his followers to implode, so who really was outwitted?

D'Aguiar didn't opt out of the coalition.  He was kicked out.  Chief is right, the Portuguese were outwitted.  They thought they would get political power and rights under the PNC and that never happened.  They did pack up and run away to Canada leaving successful businesses and homes behind.  Many never returned to their homes in Nabaclis, Belfield, Victoria, and parts of the Essequibo among other places which were considered Portuguese communities. 

cain posted:

We comin back for all dat plus some

You should.  The Portuguese were business innovators in Guyana.  Many pawnbrokers, grocery stores, bakeries, and other businesses were owned by the Portuguese.  Clifford Reis father owned and operated the first lemonade factory in Guyana which was sold to D'Aguiar.  All of that is now history.  

Baseman posted:

Putageeze wah not bad people  but dem link up wid burnham to beat up and kill coolies.  If not fuh datt, putageeze and coolies would rule Guyana!

bai, richard ishmael was burnham's CIA bag man who paid for the arson and bombing of mainly coolies in the early 60's. When burnham came to office the first five ministers sworn in were indos.

The reality here is the portuguese had a political ideology, free markets. Burnham was an opportunist who went anyway the wind blows and the PPP were ideological communists.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mars posted:
Chief posted:

Let's not forget Burnham outwitted D'Guiar and the Portuguese as well.

D'Aguiar opted out of the coalition when he got wind of Burnham illegally rigging the voting in '68. The Portuguese responded by selling out their assets and moving to Toronto (mostly after nationalization in the early 70's), leaving Burnham and his followers to implode, so who really was outwitted?

D'Aguiar didn't opt out of the coalition.  He was kicked out.  Chief is right, the Portuguese were outwitted.  They thought they would get political power and rights under the PNC and that never happened.  They did pack up and run away to Canada leaving successful businesses and homes behind.  Many never returned to their homes in Nabaclis, Belfield, Victoria, and parts of the Essequibo among other places which were considered Portuguese communities. 

Know your history Madame. Don't believe every lil nonsense you heard as PPP bottom house gaff. A rift developed between Burnham and D'Aguiar after D'Aguiar saw the plans for rigging the 1968 elections with overseas voting. Rather than be a part of the 1968 rigged elections, D'Aguiar did the honorable thing and resigned from the government even after the Americans (Ambassador Carlson) and Burnham were trying to get him to stay. In contrast, your hero Jagan joined forces with Burnham in Critical Support of the PNC just a couple years after the PNC had rigged both the 1968 and the 1973 elections. The only fool who was outwitted by Burnham was his Commie partner Jagan. 

http://www.guyana.org/features...ndence/chapter1.html

 A final progress report on "Support to Anti-Jagan political parties in Guyana", prepared for the 303 Committee on 21 November 1968 by the State Department, noted that the elections would be held on 16 December 1968. The report described "the problems facing Burnham stemming from his having padded the registration lists in the United Kingdom excessively in an attempt to win an outright majority in the elections. This report also notes the security implications arising from Peter D'Aguiar's having become aware of this padding and his efforts to counter it."


Ambassador Delmar Carlson, met with Burnham in early June 1967, and in a telegram sent to the State Department he revealed Burnham's plans to rig the votes in the next elections:

During that meeting, Carlson also suggested to Burnham that he should continue to work closely with D'Aguiar and his United Force. Burnham was already having difficulties working with D'Aguiar, and the ambassador suggested that the solution to this problem "lay less in engineered majority than it did by arranging for D'Aguiar's honorable withdrawal from politics and government after the election is won and a new coalition government formed."

Despite Carlson's best efforts to encourage a working relationship with Burnham, D'Aguiar resigned from the cabinet on 26 September 1967.


http://www.guyana.org/features...ndence/chapter2.html

United Force leader Peter D'Aguiar who helped bring Burnham and his PNC to power in 1964, stated in shock and amazement at the unbridled electoral thievery that occurred:"To call it an election is to give it a name it does not deserve; it was a seizure of power by fraud, not election." But the early epitaph of PNC electoral fraud was etched by another UF member, Randolph Cheeks, who was Minister of Local Government in the PNC-UF coalition. In an unforgettable comment he declared: "Fraud is a mild word to describe the motions which Guyana went through on December 16. . . Down the corridors of the centuries, this day will be remembered with shame."

Bibi Haniffa posted:
cain posted:

We comin back for all dat plus some

You should.  The Portuguese were business innovators in Guyana.  Many pawnbrokers, grocery stores, bakeries, and other businesses were owned by the Portuguese.  Clifford Reis father owned and operated the first lemonade factory in Guyana which was sold to D'Aguiar.  All of that is now history.  

Dey cyaant come back.  Dem who knew Guyana 🇬🇾 liming out at uncle Eddy Home to Toronto waiting for god to call. Dem young ones tun White and gatt no interest in that basket case Black country!

Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mars posted:
Chief posted:

Let's not forget Burnham outwitted D'Guiar and the Portuguese as well.

D'Aguiar opted out of the coalition when he got wind of Burnham illegally rigging the voting in '68. The Portuguese responded by selling out their assets and moving to Toronto (mostly after nationalization in the early 70's), leaving Burnham and his followers to implode, so who really was outwitted?

D'Aguiar didn't opt out of the coalition.  He was kicked out.  Chief is right, the Portuguese were outwitted.  They thought they would get political power and rights under the PNC and that never happened.  They did pack up and run away to Canada leaving successful businesses and homes behind.  Many never returned to their homes in Nabaclis, Belfield, Victoria, and parts of the Essequibo among other places which were considered Portuguese communities. 

Know your history Madame. Don't believe every lil nonsense you heard as PPP bottom house gaff. A rift developed between Burnham and D'Aguiar after D'Aguiar saw the plans for rigging the 1968 elections with overseas voting. Rather than be a part of the 1968 rigged elections, D'Aguiar did the honorable thing and resigned from the government even after the Americans (Ambassador Carlson) and Burnham were trying to get him to stay. In contrast, your hero Jagan joined forces with Burnham in Critical Support of the PNC just a couple years after the PNC had rigged both the 1968 and the 1973 elections. The only fool who was outwitted by Burnham was his Commie partner Jagan. 

http://www.guyana.org/features...ndence/chapter1.html

 A final progress report on "Support to Anti-Jagan political parties in Guyana", prepared for the 303 Committee on 21 November 1968 by the State Department, noted that the elections would be held on 16 December 1968. The report described "the problems facing Burnham stemming from his having padded the registration lists in the United Kingdom excessively in an attempt to win an outright majority in the elections. This report also notes the security implications arising from Peter D'Aguiar's having become aware of this padding and his efforts to counter it."


Ambassador Delmar Carlson, met with Burnham in early June 1967, and in a telegram sent to the State Department he revealed Burnham's plans to rig the votes in the next elections:

During that meeting, Carlson also suggested to Burnham that he should continue to work closely with D'Aguiar and his United Force. Burnham was already having difficulties working with D'Aguiar, and the ambassador suggested that the solution to this problem "lay less in engineered majority than it did by arranging for D'Aguiar's honorable withdrawal from politics and government after the election is won and a new coalition government formed."

Despite Carlson's best efforts to encourage a working relationship with Burnham, D'Aguiar resigned from the cabinet on 26 September 1967.


http://www.guyana.org/features...ndence/chapter2.html

United Force leader Peter D'Aguiar who helped bring Burnham and his PNC to power in 1964, stated in shock and amazement at the unbridled electoral thievery that occurred:"To call it an election is to give it a name it does not deserve; it was a seizure of power by fraud, not election." But the early epitaph of PNC electoral fraud was etched by another UF member, Randolph Cheeks, who was Minister of Local Government in the PNC-UF coalition. In an unforgettable comment he declared: "Fraud is a mild word to describe the motions which Guyana went through on December 16. . . Down the corridors of the centuries, this day will be remembered with shame."

That tells me that the man had more principles than burnham and jagan combined. If jackass jagan did not embrace commie putageeze and coolie would rule Guyana 🇬🇾 creating a White Island in the Caribbean.  

Chief posted:
Mars posted:
Chief posted:

Let's not forget Burnham outwitted D'Guiar and the Portuguese as well.

D'Aguiar opted out of the coalition when he got wind of Burnham illegally rigging the voting in '68. The Portuguese responded by selling out their assets and moving to Toronto (mostly after nationalization in the early 70's), leaving Burnham and his followers to implode, so who really was outwitted?

Facts and History speak for itself. If D'Aguiar did not form the Government with Burnham, PPP would have been in power. 

D'Aguiar remained with his business in Guyana and even expanded under the PNC. 

 

D'Aguiar, with the help of the PNC manipulated some kind of financial law so he could easily move his money to Barbados.

Chief posted:

It's a fact that many successful businesses in the 60's and 70's was owned by both Portuguese and Indians. Portuguese business was concentrated in Gt with Indians being both in GT and throughout the entire country. 

One of my uncle's had Wholesale  Grocery Store opposite D'Aguair's Demico House.They also owned a retail store in Campbellville.They migrated in the 80's.

Indeed there were lots of Indian Businessmen.

Regent Street, Camp Street, Water Street and Robb Street all had several successful businesses.  Kissoon Furniture, Kwang Hing Supermarket, Kirpalani Clothing Store, R. Sookraj and Sons, JP Santos, Bettencourts, Brown Betty, Satro, Muneshwar, Seepersaud Maraj, Beharry to name a few. All a dem get away from the PNC. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Regent Street, Camp Street, Water Street and Robb Street all had several successful businesses.  Kissoon Furniture, Kwang Hing Supermarket, Kirpalani Clothing Store, R. Sookraj and Sons, JP Santos, Bettencourts, Brown Betty, Satro, Muneshwar, Seepersaud Maraj, Beharry to name a few. All a dem get away from the PNC. 

Most of them still there.  Many of the kids morphed into other businesses after the old folks passed on.  But you are correct, some did leave due to the PNC/PPP!

Mitwah posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Lots of Donkey carts in the city back in the days. Anyone of you had family operating a donkey cart?

My family survived the donkey cart economy under the PPP. 

You survived. That much is true.

But you are still drinking from the molasses bucket as the donkeys do. 

Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Regent Street, Camp Street, Water Street and Robb Street all had several successful businesses.  Kissoon Furniture, Kwang Hing Supermarket, Kirpalani Clothing Store, R. Sookraj and Sons, JP Santos, Bettencourts, Brown Betty, Satro, Muneshwar, Seepersaud Maraj, Beharry to name a few. All a dem get away from the PNC. 

Most of them still there.  Many of the kids morphed into other businesses after the old folks passed on.  But you are correct, some did leave due to the PNC/PPP!

Who gives a dam about these putagee people? Are they superior to others in your mind? I think these putagees were indentured by the British and not counted as much since they were not much in Madeira just the Indos and Afros were from whence they came.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Regent Street, Camp Street, Water Street and Robb Street all had several successful businesses.  Kissoon Furniture, Kwang Hing Supermarket, Kirpalani Clothing Store, R. Sookraj and Sons, JP Santos, Bettencourts, Brown Betty, Satro, Muneshwar, Seepersaud Maraj, Beharry to name a few. All a dem get away from the PNC. 

Most of them still there.  Many of the kids morphed into other businesses after the old folks passed on.  But you are correct, some did leave due to the PNC/PPP!

Who gives a dam about these putagee people? Are they superior to others in your mind? I think these putagees were indentured by the British and not counted as much since they were not much in Madeira just the Indos and Afros were from whence they came.

Banna, check dem name Bibi referring to.  Dem sound Putageeze?

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Regent Street, Camp Street, Water Street and Robb Street all had several successful businesses.  Kissoon Furniture, Kwang Hing Supermarket, Kirpalani Clothing Store, R. Sookraj and Sons, JP Santos, Bettencourts, Brown Betty, Satro, Muneshwar, Seepersaud Maraj, Beharry to name a few. All a dem get away from the PNC. 

you living in a different world some run from the ppp some is still there and brown betty burn down satro still there muneshwar still there you trying to fool them stupid country collie bai here

warrior posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Regent Street, Camp Street, Water Street and Robb Street all had several successful businesses.  Kissoon Furniture, Kwang Hing Supermarket, Kirpalani Clothing Store, R. Sookraj and Sons, JP Santos, Bettencourts, Brown Betty, Satro, Muneshwar, Seepersaud Maraj, Beharry to name a few. All a dem get away from the PNC. 

you living in a different world some run from the ppp some is still there and brown betty burn down satro still there muneshwar still there you trying to fool them stupid country collie bai here

Some of these were mom and pap outfits. I would not refer to them with national significance. Gafoor, toolsie Persaud, Amerally, Mazerally, and lots lots more are still there.  They are significant. 

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