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After holding the reins of office for over two decades, some critics are of the view that the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) has left Guyana in a frightening ethnic trap.Specifically making this claim was Executive Member of the Working People’s Alliance (WPA), Dr. David Hinds.In his recent writings, Dr. Hinds opined that the ethnic trap in which the PPP left Guyana will have an impact on governance and politics for a long time to come.On the one hand, the University Professor said that the PPP’s mode of governance, grounded as it was in complete political domination, which in Guyana translates into ethnic dominance, ensured that African Guyanese developed a very deep fear and hatred for that party.   

On the other hand, he said that those who benefited from the transfer of state resources into private hands were almost exclusively Indian Guyanese. In addition, Dr. Hinds expressed that the PPP created a new class of mostly Indian Guyanese bureaucrats whose salaries, perks and power elevated them to elite status.
In other words, the political activist said that the PPP’s domination praxis was deeply ethnicized. He said that the consequence is that attempts to reform governance will be seen by most PPP supporters as ethnic revenge on the part of the current government.

 “I think what the PPP did was deliberate. PPP leadership has always been more ethnically deliberate. Whereas the African Guyanese elites tend to have a simplistic attitude to race and ethnicity, their Indian Guyanese counterparts tend to be much more aggressive and calculated on these issues. Part of the explanation for this lies in the relationship of our political leaderships to their followers.”Dr. Hinds commented that PNC leaders and the African Guyanese elites tend to be mostly urban in outlook and are usually out of step with the cultural motions of their followers. He said that race and ethnicity for them tend to be political tools to be used to gain power.


“There are very little ethnic emotions in their relationship to African Guyanese. There seems to be little confidence in the ability of African Guyanese masses to overcome.  Hence, there is no policy initiative aimed at empowering the group beyond the bare minimum.”Dr. Hinds said that African Guyanese power elites, except for a brief period under Burnham, tend to accept the failed but convenient model of “one tide lifts all.”He said that PPP leaders, on the other hand, have generally remained very close to the Indian masses.“Hence they are more sensitive to the ethnic reflexes of their followers. Many PPP leaders are rural people who even as they look out for themselves do not totally disconnect from the ethnic emotions of their followers. So, they are naturally less inclined to embrace the notion of “one tide lifts all” when it comes to ethnic empowerment. In that sense they are much more ethno-racially literate than their adversaries.

”Furthermore, Dr. Hinds explained that when the PNC left office in 1992, they left behind clusters of African Guyanese political enforcers and a class of government wage earning bureaucrats. He said that there was no new class of African Guyanese entrepreneurs or super-rich African Guyanese whose wealth came from the transfer of State resources. He said that this is not to say that African Guyanese were powerless in 1992. To the contrary, Dr. Hinds said that they controlled formal power in the military forces and the public service—political power.
“From the time the PPP took office, it set about dismantling those centers of African Guyanese power. It undermined the military and eventually co-opted its leadership. It further pauperized the Civil Service. It allowed bauxite to die a brutal death. They then encouraged a tiny cluster of African Guyanese hustlers by dangling before them individual wealth.


On the other hand, the WPA Executive Member said that sugar was hugely subsidized as an ethnic gesture to the mainly Indian Guyanese sugar workers. Dr. Hinds commented that state assets were transferred into the hands of both the old and new Indian Guyanese economic elites. He said that Indian Guyanese bureaucrats loyal to the PPP controlled the levers of political power. In all of this, Dr. Hinds said that there was always a few African Guyanese, but they were mere masks.“Indianists who sought to articulate an alternative Indian nationalism were bullied and eventually co-opted. By the time the PPP left office in 2015, practical control of all levers of formal power was firmly in the hands of the Indian Guyanese elites.”


“The PPP has left Guyana in an ethnic trap that would stymie any effort at correcting the PPP wrongs. What this has meant is that any turning back of the wrongs committed by the PPP has had ethno-racial consequences. Correcting the problems associated with sugar and to some extent rice means walking into an ethnic trap.”
Given the ethnic manner in which the PPP treated the sugar problem, Dr. Hinds said that any attempt to solve it is bound to have ethnic consequences.In this regard, he remarked, “I don’t see how the government will do right by sugar and not face the politically devastating charge of racism. The issue has been framed as an assault on Indian Guyanese rather than an attempt to free Guyana from the debilitating clutches of an unproductive industry.”


Furthermore, Dr. Hinds stated that the removal of PPP loyalists from mega-salaried government jobs has also landed the government in the same trap. He said thatmost of these political positions were staffed by Indian Guyanese.“Therefore, if one is going to clean the system, you invariably would have to go after those mostly Indian Guyanese political impositions. The same thing goes to for State Asset Recovery—who were mostly the recipients of State transfers? There cannot be an avoidance of the ethnic trap if there is going to be any serious State Asset recovery.”
On the other hand, the WPA Executive Member opined that African Guyanese were so battered under the PPP, it really would take some particular policy initiatives to correct that condition. Dr. Hinds stated that the ethnic imbalance in the commercial sector, for example, is so blatant, he does not see how that would be corrected without direct government intervention.“But the government dare not go there. In any case, I don’t think there are many people in the corridors of power who have the courage to confront that burning problem. We are expecting oil wealth, but that wealth would be arriving in the context of an ethnically imbalanced political economy. That is problem that few in and out of government are talking about.”


In conclusion, Dr. Hinds said that Guyana will be in for some “serious times”. He stressed that the new elite empowered by the PPP would not sit by and allow its newly appropriated wealth to be recovered by the government.“It would fight with ethnic fear, economic sabotage and even violence. That is what the push back against the State Asset Recovery Unit is mainly about. That is what the demonizing of the Special Organized Crime Unit is all about.”The political activist said that even as one might want to criticize the government for its sloth in moving to dismantle the criminalized State, one must be mindful of the ethnic trap it has to deal with.

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Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

Django
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I think Hines is an idiot. Racial preferences go back to the PNC days when lots of people in high offices could barely spell their names. Looks like he is guilty of that which he criticizes.

FM
Django posted:

Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

You had white mouth when the PNC jackasses on this BB were calling Jagdeo all kinds of derogatory names? David Hines does not seem to realize that Guyana is a country divided along racial lines. Deep down, he still has "that blackman racist feeling". He might fool you, but I doubt that. You just decide to treat the PNC racists as altar boys.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

You had white mouth when the PNC jackasses on this BB were calling Jagdeo all kinds of derogatory names? David Hines does not seem to realize that Guyana is a country divided along racial lines. Deep down, he still has "that blackman racist feeling". He might fool you, but I doubt that. You just decide to treat the PNC racists as altar boys.

Dude i wasn't on GNI for a long while,check the archives.

Django
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

You had white mouth when the PNC jackasses on this BB were calling Jagdeo all kinds of derogatory names? David Hines does not seem to realize that Guyana is a country divided along racial lines. Deep down, he still has "that blackman racist feeling". He might fool you, but I doubt that. You just decide to treat the PNC racists as altar boys.

Dude i wasn't on GNI for a long while,check the archives.

Django, believe me, you were here singing the white mouth songs along with Redux, Mitwah and the rest.

FM

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

cain
cain posted:

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.

I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.

But 3 hings are missing here:

1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.

2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.

3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??

 

The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.

V
yuji22 posted:

Another racist Afrocentric Jackass brays.

Jackass Hinds

 

You are such a dumb ass that you do not even recognize the deep shit the PPP has left us in. And you calling Hinds a jackass is indeed a laugh. From what you write, your delivery etc high-school is the best you know of academia. He has a doctorate and taught at a few universities so at least he grasp something about thinking.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
cain posted:

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.

I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.

But 3 hings are missing here:

1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.

2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.

3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??

 

The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure. Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is  the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship. 

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups.  Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center  from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

None of this would have happen if not for the base insidious diseased condition of greed that came from the PPP

FM
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This one sided RACIST trying hard to look like he is not BIAS. The PNC has a University where they teach BIAS, DISCRIMINATION and other PNC disciplines. Hinds attended that University so he talking SHIT. Everyone except the blind RACIST know the PNC gets their high on RACISM, INTIMIDATION, THREATS and VIOLENCE. You have to be a JACKASS to believe the CRAP he writes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
D2 posted:
VishMahabir posted:
cain posted:

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.

I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.

But 3 hings are missing here:

1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.

2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.

3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??

 

The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure. Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is  the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship. 

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups.  Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center  from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

None of this would have happen if not for the base insidious diseased condition of greed that came from the PPP

I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.

Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?

This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.

 

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.

These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems

 

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?

The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.

What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.

Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.

V
D2 posted:
FC posted:

You won't because you are devoid of class!!!!

he is in a class by himself! in mathematics you call it the empty set

As stated above both of you are JACKASSES, not that you will know. FILTH HEADS simply do not know anything but being STUPID. A FOOL like Hinds love dumb, stupid and naive FOOLS like you 2!!!!!!!!!

Nehru

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