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After holding the reins of office for over two decades, some critics are of the view that the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) has left Guyana in a frightening ethnic trap.Specifically making this claim was Executive Member of the Working People’s Alliance (WPA), Dr. David Hinds.In his recent writings, Dr. Hinds opined that the ethnic trap in which the PPP left Guyana will have an impact on governance and politics for a long time to come.On the one hand, the University Professor said that the PPP’s mode of governance, grounded as it was in complete political domination, which in Guyana translates into ethnic dominance, ensured that African Guyanese developed a very deep fear and hatred for that party.   

On the other hand, he said that those who benefited from the transfer of state resources into private hands were almost exclusively Indian Guyanese. In addition, Dr. Hinds expressed that the PPP created a new class of mostly Indian Guyanese bureaucrats whose salaries, perks and power elevated them to elite status.
In other words, the political activist said that the PPP’s domination praxis was deeply ethnicized. He said that the consequence is that attempts to reform governance will be seen by most PPP supporters as ethnic revenge on the part of the current government.

 “I think what the PPP did was deliberate. PPP leadership has always been more ethnically deliberate. Whereas the African Guyanese elites tend to have a simplistic attitude to race and ethnicity, their Indian Guyanese counterparts tend to be much more aggressive and calculated on these issues. Part of the explanation for this lies in the relationship of our political leaderships to their followers.”Dr. Hinds commented that PNC leaders and the African Guyanese elites tend to be mostly urban in outlook and are usually out of step with the cultural motions of their followers. He said that race and ethnicity for them tend to be political tools to be used to gain power.


“There are very little ethnic emotions in their relationship to African Guyanese. There seems to be little confidence in the ability of African Guyanese masses to overcome.  Hence, there is no policy initiative aimed at empowering the group beyond the bare minimum.”Dr. Hinds said that African Guyanese power elites, except for a brief period under Burnham, tend to accept the failed but convenient model of “one tide lifts all.”He said that PPP leaders, on the other hand, have generally remained very close to the Indian masses.“Hence they are more sensitive to the ethnic reflexes of their followers. Many PPP leaders are rural people who even as they look out for themselves do not totally disconnect from the ethnic emotions of their followers. So, they are naturally less inclined to embrace the notion of “one tide lifts all” when it comes to ethnic empowerment. In that sense they are much more ethno-racially literate than their adversaries.

”Furthermore, Dr. Hinds explained that when the PNC left office in 1992, they left behind clusters of African Guyanese political enforcers and a class of government wage earning bureaucrats. He said that there was no new class of African Guyanese entrepreneurs or super-rich African Guyanese whose wealth came from the transfer of State resources. He said that this is not to say that African Guyanese were powerless in 1992. To the contrary, Dr. Hinds said that they controlled formal power in the military forces and the public service—political power.
“From the time the PPP took office, it set about dismantling those centers of African Guyanese power. It undermined the military and eventually co-opted its leadership. It further pauperized the Civil Service. It allowed bauxite to die a brutal death. They then encouraged a tiny cluster of African Guyanese hustlers by dangling before them individual wealth.


On the other hand, the WPA Executive Member said that sugar was hugely subsidized as an ethnic gesture to the mainly Indian Guyanese sugar workers. Dr. Hinds commented that state assets were transferred into the hands of both the old and new Indian Guyanese economic elites. He said that Indian Guyanese bureaucrats loyal to the PPP controlled the levers of political power. In all of this, Dr. Hinds said that there was always a few African Guyanese, but they were mere masks.“Indianists who sought to articulate an alternative Indian nationalism were bullied and eventually co-opted. By the time the PPP left office in 2015, practical control of all levers of formal power was firmly in the hands of the Indian Guyanese elites.”


“The PPP has left Guyana in an ethnic trap that would stymie any effort at correcting the PPP wrongs. What this has meant is that any turning back of the wrongs committed by the PPP has had ethno-racial consequences. Correcting the problems associated with sugar and to some extent rice means walking into an ethnic trap.”
Given the ethnic manner in which the PPP treated the sugar problem, Dr. Hinds said that any attempt to solve it is bound to have ethnic consequences.In this regard, he remarked, “I don’t see how the government will do right by sugar and not face the politically devastating charge of racism. The issue has been framed as an assault on Indian Guyanese rather than an attempt to free Guyana from the debilitating clutches of an unproductive industry.”


Furthermore, Dr. Hinds stated that the removal of PPP loyalists from mega-salaried government jobs has also landed the government in the same trap. He said thatmost of these political positions were staffed by Indian Guyanese.“Therefore, if one is going to clean the system, you invariably would have to go after those mostly Indian Guyanese political impositions. The same thing goes to for State Asset Recovery—who were mostly the recipients of State transfers? There cannot be an avoidance of the ethnic trap if there is going to be any serious State Asset recovery.”
On the other hand, the WPA Executive Member opined that African Guyanese were so battered under the PPP, it really would take some particular policy initiatives to correct that condition. Dr. Hinds stated that the ethnic imbalance in the commercial sector, for example, is so blatant, he does not see how that would be corrected without direct government intervention.“But the government dare not go there. In any case, I don’t think there are many people in the corridors of power who have the courage to confront that burning problem. We are expecting oil wealth, but that wealth would be arriving in the context of an ethnically imbalanced political economy. That is problem that few in and out of government are talking about.”


In conclusion, Dr. Hinds said that Guyana will be in for some “serious times”. He stressed that the new elite empowered by the PPP would not sit by and allow its newly appropriated wealth to be recovered by the government.“It would fight with ethnic fear, economic sabotage and even violence. That is what the push back against the State Asset Recovery Unit is mainly about. That is what the demonizing of the Special Organized Crime Unit is all about.”The political activist said that even as one might want to criticize the government for its sloth in moving to dismantle the criminalized State, one must be mindful of the ethnic trap it has to deal with.

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Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

Django
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I think Hines is an idiot. Racial preferences go back to the PNC days when lots of people in high offices could barely spell their names. Looks like he is guilty of that which he criticizes.

FM
Django posted:

Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

You had white mouth when the PNC jackasses on this BB were calling Jagdeo all kinds of derogatory names? David Hines does not seem to realize that Guyana is a country divided along racial lines. Deep down, he still has "that blackman racist feeling". He might fool you, but I doubt that. You just decide to treat the PNC racists as altar boys.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

You had white mouth when the PNC jackasses on this BB were calling Jagdeo all kinds of derogatory names? David Hines does not seem to realize that Guyana is a country divided along racial lines. Deep down, he still has "that blackman racist feeling". He might fool you, but I doubt that. You just decide to treat the PNC racists as altar boys.

Dude i wasn't on GNI for a long while,check the archives.

Django
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

Yes bhai Yugi,all them blackman racist,collies clean as a whistle.

I have noticed you all want some of their votes you think them stupidy nah.

Take note alyuh calling their leader "Jackass"

You had white mouth when the PNC jackasses on this BB were calling Jagdeo all kinds of derogatory names? David Hines does not seem to realize that Guyana is a country divided along racial lines. Deep down, he still has "that blackman racist feeling". He might fool you, but I doubt that. You just decide to treat the PNC racists as altar boys.

Dude i wasn't on GNI for a long while,check the archives.

Django, believe me, you were here singing the white mouth songs along with Redux, Mitwah and the rest.

FM

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

cain
cain posted:

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.

I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.

But 3 hings are missing here:

1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.

2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.

3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??

 

The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.

V
yuji22 posted:

Another racist Afrocentric Jackass brays.

Jackass Hinds

 

You are such a dumb ass that you do not even recognize the deep shit the PPP has left us in. And you calling Hinds a jackass is indeed a laugh. From what you write, your delivery etc high-school is the best you know of academia. He has a doctorate and taught at a few universities so at least he grasp something about thinking.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
cain posted:

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.

I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.

But 3 hings are missing here:

1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.

2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.

3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??

 

The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure. Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is  the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship. 

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups.  Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center  from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

None of this would have happen if not for the base insidious diseased condition of greed that came from the PPP

FM
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This one sided RACIST trying hard to look like he is not BIAS. The PNC has a University where they teach BIAS, DISCRIMINATION and other PNC disciplines. Hinds attended that University so he talking SHIT. Everyone except the blind RACIST know the PNC gets their high on RACISM, INTIMIDATION, THREATS and VIOLENCE. You have to be a JACKASS to believe the CRAP he writes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
D2 posted:
VishMahabir posted:
cain posted:

Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?

What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.

Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done? 

True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.

I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.

But 3 hings are missing here:

1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.

2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.

3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??

 

The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure. Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is  the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship. 

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups.  Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center  from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

None of this would have happen if not for the base insidious diseased condition of greed that came from the PPP

I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.

Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?

This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.

 

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.

These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems

 

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?

The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.

What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.

Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.

V
D2 posted:
FC posted:

You won't because you are devoid of class!!!!

he is in a class by himself! in mathematics you call it the empty set

As stated above both of you are JACKASSES, not that you will know. FILTH HEADS simply do not know anything but being STUPID. A FOOL like Hinds love dumb, stupid and naive FOOLS like you 2!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
VishMahabir posted:

I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.

Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?

This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.

 

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.

These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems

 

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?

The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.

What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.

Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.

You should first not break the post up by cryptic and stupid queries if you want to arrive at understanding. I do not have to affirm Hinds post. It is self affirming. My mention of the T shirt vendor is also self evident. Here is an uneducated  drug hustler becoming an elite informing you the rise did not come from industrious and creative investments but corruption and crony capitalism.

My mention of syria etc was to afford you a broader vision of the potential for internal disaster when the intellectual, entrepreneurial, managerial, governmental, security structure from which a national elite emerge is not  demographically represented in the system chaos develops.

Lambasting Hinds for his serious assessment of Indian racism in action is not going to help clarify anything or accrue to a well written criticism by you. It simply reifies that the racism and intellectual blindness in the indian community is sickeningly pervasive .

The PPP were tasked to transition us into a democracy. Instead they hardened the old dictatorial constitution by defending it at every level and asserting that it is valid. Their pocket judges in the courts fortified that belief into legal precedence. The present APNU now have a free hand to ride the wave of an autocratic system to constitute something a hundred times the size of the PPP. Note they did not spread the wealth beyond their friends and family.

Our economy is  slated to increase some 20 times its size and hundreds of times its economic power. It will all be concentrated in the hands of a very few with whatever percolating down reaching indians after being slopped up by mainly one ethnic group. Then you will build a statue to Hinds and wish you were his convert.

FM
Nehru posted:
D2 posted:
FC posted:

You won't because you are devoid of class!!!!

he is in a class by himself! in mathematics you call it the empty set

As stated above both of you are JACKASSES, not that you will know. FILTH HEADS simply do not know anything but being STUPID. A FOOL like Hinds love dumb, stupid and naive FOOLS like you 2!!!!!!!!!

One only has to read posts like this and know they are dealing with a low functioning neanderthal. It is what makes the board a wasteland for want of sane contribution. As I stated. a f.icking empty set, {}

FM
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To wallow in the past will get Guyana nowhere. Hinds should be talking to the PNC on how to move on.

Hinds has been in the rot for decades now. He obviously is not the voice in the wlderness. And has been with the goons for a very long time, in away, he helped in making the PPP the way they are. Lets not forget, since 1992, Blacks were never appreciative of a coolie government.

Guyana is a divided land. Even opinions are biased along anti-Indian lines. 

S
seignet posted:

To wallow in the past will get Guyana nowhere. Hinds should be talking to the PNC on how to move on.

Hinds has been in the rot for decades now. He obviously is not the voice in the wlderness. And has been with the goons for a very long time, in away, he helped in making the PPP the way they are. Lets not forget, since 1992, Blacks were never appreciative of a coolie government.

Guyana is a divided land. Even opinions are biased along anti-Indian lines. 

They are implementing the RACIST Burnham playbook, this time 100 times worse.

Hinds is one of those racist scums, he is igniting the racist PNC fire.

The racist PNC code word for identifying Indos is code word PPP. They think that Indos are stupid.

FM
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seignet posted:

To wallow in the past will get Guyana nowhere. Hinds should be talking to the PNC on how to move on.

Hinds has been in the rot for decades now. He obviously is not the voice in the wlderness. And has been with the goons for a very long time, in away, he helped in making the PPP the way they are. Lets not forget, since 1992, Blacks were never appreciative of a coolie government.

Guyana is a divided land. Even opinions are biased along anti-Indian lines. 

He does that everyday. He has not taken a position with them but is a gadfly commenting on them. When he was getting jailed and beaten up by burnham where were you? Re read your last sentence and you will see the bias.

FM
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D2 posted:
VishMahabir posted:

I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.

Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?

This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.

 

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.

These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems

 

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?

The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.

What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.

Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.

You should first not break the post up by cryptic and stupid queries if you want to arrive at understanding. I do not have to affirm Hinds post. It is self affirming. My mention of the T shirt vendor is also self evident. Here is an uneducated  drug hustler becoming an elite informing you the rise did not come from industrious and creative investments but corruption and crony capitalism.

My mention of syria etc was to afford you a broader vision of the potential for internal disaster when the intellectual, entrepreneurial, managerial, governmental, security structure from which a national elite emerge is not  demographically represented in the system chaos develops.

Lambasting Hinds for his serious assessment of Indian racism in action is not going to help clarify anything or accrue to a well written criticism by you. It simply reifies that the racism and intellectual blindness in the indian community is sickeningly pervasive .

The PPP were tasked to transition us into a democracy. Instead they hardened the old dictatorial constitution by defending it at every level and asserting that it is valid. Their pocket judges in the courts fortified that belief into legal precedence. The present APNU now have a free hand to ride the wave of an autocratic system to constitute something a hundred times the size of the PPP. Note they did not spread the wealth beyond their friends and family.

Our economy is  slated to increase some 20 times its size and hundreds of times its economic power. It will all be concentrated in the hands of a very few with whatever percolating down reaching indians after being slopped up by mainly one ethnic group. Then you will build a statue to Hinds and wish you were his convert.

This is such a jaundiced view that it confirms a reality that is pervasive in your response and in Guyana...namely that Indians are racists, devious and are out to enslave Blacks.

Nothing about Hinds (a person who rejected the fact that  Nagamootoo should be given the PM post!) hidden agenda in your pontificating response.

...Guyana, according to world bank and other reports cannot experience a democratic culture unless the race problem is addressed.

Notwithstanding Hinds other comments,  my question still stands: How do the PNC continue to defend the fact that mainly Indians are being relieved of their positions, and how do we convince Indians that they are not targets and what is being done is fair and just? Or do we simply continue to assume that ALL of them are wicked and devious thieves?

I suppose this would be comparable to the Affirmative Action debate in this country. When is there going to be a level playing field? Or do we continue ad infinitum to preference one group over the other?

I reiterate what seems to fly over your head:  Guyananese leaders (including PPP ones) need to work together to devise a formula that will address this and the other issues raised Hinds.

Simple accusing all Indians as PPP supporters and as parasites and exploiters will not cut it.

 

V
D2 posted:
yuji22 posted:

Another racist Afrocentric Jackass brays.

Jackass Hinds

 

You are such a dumb ass that you do not even recognize the deep shit the PPP has left us in. And you calling Hinds a jackass is indeed a laugh. From what you write, your delivery etc high-school is the best you know of academia. He has a doctorate and taught at a few universities so at least he grasp something about thinking.

His academic qualifications do not prevent him lying.

Billy Ram Balgobin
D2 posted:
seignet posted:

To wallow in the past will get Guyana nowhere. Hinds should be talking to the PNC on how to move on.

Hinds has been in the rot for decades now. He obviously is not the voice in the wlderness. And has been with the goons for a very long time, in away, he helped in making the PPP the way they are. Lets not forget, since 1992, Blacks were never appreciative of a coolie government.

Guyana is a divided land. Even opinions are biased along anti-Indian lines. 

He does that everyday. He has not taken a position with them but is a gadfly commenting on them. When he was getting jailed and beaten up by burnham where were you? Re read your last sentence and you will see the bias.

If Hinds is for Guyana, then are so many things he could do for Guyana. Instead, he continually speaks of race issues. He seems to nuture it.

S
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
yuji22 posted:

Another racist Afrocentric Jackass brays.

Jackass Hinds

 

You are such a dumb ass that you do not even recognize the deep shit the PPP has left us in. And you calling Hinds a jackass is indeed a laugh. From what you write, your delivery etc high-school is the best you know of academia. He has a doctorate and taught at a few universities so at least he grasp something about thinking.

His academic qualifications do not prevent him lying.

You need to illustrate that but you do not have a leg to stand on.  I bet you will be yammering night and day as the APNU begin to consolidate power and launch their own elite creation scheme.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
D2 posted:
VishMahabir posted:

I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.

Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?

This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.

 

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.

These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems

 

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?

The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.

What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.

Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.

You should first not break the post up by cryptic and stupid queries if you want to arrive at understanding. I do not have to affirm Hinds post. It is self affirming. My mention of the T shirt vendor is also self evident. Here is an uneducated  drug hustler becoming an elite informing you the rise did not come from industrious and creative investments but corruption and crony capitalism.

My mention of syria etc was to afford you a broader vision of the potential for internal disaster when the intellectual, entrepreneurial, managerial, governmental, security structure from which a national elite emerge is not  demographically represented in the system chaos develops.

Lambasting Hinds for his serious assessment of Indian racism in action is not going to help clarify anything or accrue to a well written criticism by you. It simply reifies that the racism and intellectual blindness in the indian community is sickeningly pervasive .

The PPP were tasked to transition us into a democracy. Instead they hardened the old dictatorial constitution by defending it at every level and asserting that it is valid. Their pocket judges in the courts fortified that belief into legal precedence. The present APNU now have a free hand to ride the wave of an autocratic system to constitute something a hundred times the size of the PPP. Note they did not spread the wealth beyond their friends and family.

Our economy is  slated to increase some 20 times its size and hundreds of times its economic power. It will all be concentrated in the hands of a very few with whatever percolating down reaching indians after being slopped up by mainly one ethnic group. Then you will build a statue to Hinds and wish you were his convert.

This is such a jaundiced view that it confirms a reality that is pervasive in your response and in Guyana...namely that Indians are racists, devious and are out to enslave Blacks.

Nothing about Hinds (a person who rejected the fact that  Nagamootoo should be given the PM post!) hidden agenda in your pontificating response.

...Guyana, according to world bank and other reports cannot experience a democratic culture unless the race problem is addressed.

Notwithstanding Hinds other comments,  my question still stands: How do the PNC continue to defend the fact that mainly Indians are being relieved of their positions, and how do we convince Indians that they are not targets and what is being done is fair and just? Or do we simply continue to assume that ALL of them are wicked and devious thieves?

I suppose this would be comparable to the Affirmative Action debate in this country. When is there going to be a level playing field? Or do we continue ad infinitum to preference one group over the other?

I reiterate what seems to fly over your head:  Guyananese leaders (including PPP ones) need to work together to devise a formula that will address this and the other issues raised Hinds.

Simple accusing all Indians as PPP supporters and as parasites and exploiters will not cut it.

 

Indians are racists. There is no denying that. Theirs is the only culture in Guyana that has cultural prohibitions that are strictly enforced through normative practices.  The acerbic rantings here about black man not having the mental aptitude to do anything validated that in the vernacular. Here we have labels like dirty indians PNC goons a ready labels to any Indian who do not toe the racist line.  Every other post here is to that end. Check the thread creation. It is always the PNC doing this or that to indians when the same was absent in the PPP friends and family era.

The reaching for affirmative action as a comparison again illustrates the entrenched racist crap that percolates in your heads. There is hardly a comparison between blacks in Guyana and here. You for example are in the category of minorities here even if you do not self identify. Much of what affirmative action has helped you here from housing to, banking to prohibiting red lining to distribution system etd. Do you know that no non white person distributed pepsi and coke and other products generally as late as 84? You are just spewing you own rancid racism when you take yourself outside the reality of what is affirmed here in the US. Your very presence here is affirmed because others died

FM
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seignet posted:
D2 posted:
seignet posted:

To wallow in the past will get Guyana nowhere. Hinds should be talking to the PNC on how to move on.

Hinds has been in the rot for decades now. He obviously is not the voice in the wlderness. And has been with the goons for a very long time, in away, he helped in making the PPP the way they are. Lets not forget, since 1992, Blacks were never appreciative of a coolie government.

Guyana is a divided land. Even opinions are biased along anti-Indian lines. 

He does that everyday. He has not taken a position with them but is a gadfly commenting on them. When he was getting jailed and beaten up by burnham where were you? Re read your last sentence and you will see the bias.

If Hinds is for Guyana, then are so many things he could do for Guyana. Instead, he continually speaks of race issues. He seems to nuture it.

He speaks for both sides. As I noted earlier, he is the seminal black voice against he APNU regime.  Be thankful

FM
Nehru posted:

BE THANKFUL?? YOU BLOODY BE THANKFUL FOR THE PIWARI AND CASSAVE BREAD THE pnc GIVING fools LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Your bigotry cannot conceive of anyone thinking for themselves. No I am no friend of the APNU. I just do not want the PPP in office for a long time. I am sure the APNU will steal their fill but it is good payback for the PPP idiots who would not listen, did not care when we warned that they could endanger their party if the other side wins. They never thought they would ever lose and so refused all dire warnings to reform the system. Now they will know what they were warned about.

And your racist behind will be speaking of piwari for until your pathetic ass is in the grave. It does not bother me no less than last week weather forecast.

FM
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What an IGNORANT way of thinking. Knowing the PNC is worst BUt still want them instead of the PPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is quite sure of the PNC thiefing and bullying but you know what, let the PNC have ultimate POWER.  If that is not IGNORANCE at the highest level, then there is no ignorance on this planet!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
D2 posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
yuji22 posted:

Another racist Afrocentric Jackass brays.

Jackass Hinds

 

You are such a dumb ass that you do not even recognize the deep shit the PPP has left us in. And you calling Hinds a jackass is indeed a laugh. From what you write, your delivery etc high-school is the best you know of academia. He has a doctorate and taught at a few universities so at least he grasp something about thinking.

His academic qualifications do not prevent him lying.

You need to illustrate that but you do not have a leg to stand on.  I bet you will be yammering night and day as the APNU begin to consolidate power and launch their own elite creation scheme.

You have a big mouth on this forum but it amounts to nothing since you have developed your abilities to lie constantly in defense of a government that has betrayed not just a nation, but their partner in crime, the AFC.  Why don't you elaborate on what David Hinds writing?  The WPA's fight for the black support turned out to be a fiasco. If the party of Walter Rodney failed to get the black support then something is wrong somewhere with these people. Why bash the PPP for not getting their support?  If the PPP failed to win their support because they are "racist" then how do you or Hinds explain their reluctance to support the WPA? 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:
yuji22 posted:

Another racist Afrocentric Jackass brays.

Jackass Hinds

 

You are such a dumb ass that you do not even recognize the deep shit the PPP has left us in. And you calling Hinds a jackass is indeed a laugh. From what you write, your delivery etc high-school is the best you know of academia. He has a doctorate and taught at a few universities so at least he grasp something about thinking.

His academic qualifications do not prevent him lying.

You need to illustrate that but you do not have a leg to stand on.  I bet you will be yammering night and day as the APNU begin to consolidate power and launch their own elite creation scheme.

You have a big mouth on this forum but it amounts to nothing since you have developed your abilities to lie constantly in defense of a government that has betrayed not just a nation, but their partner in crime, the AFC.  Why don't you elaborate on what David Hinds writing?  The WPA's fight for the black support turned out to be a fiasco. If the party of Walter Rodney failed to get the black support then something is wrong somewhere with these people. Why bash the PPP for not getting their support?  If the PPP failed to win their support because they are "racist" then how do you or Hinds explain their reluctance to support the WPA? 

What's wrong with you Billy? The man even knows Adolf Hitler and maybe John Kennedy. Standby for more breaking news as to the rest of the world's leaders he has "rubbed shoulders with".

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
D2 posted:

You have a big mouth on this forum but it amounts to nothing since you have developed your abilities to lie constantly in defense of a government that has betrayed not just a nation, but their partner in crime, the AFC.  Why don't you elaborate on what David Hinds writing?  The WPA's fight for the black support turned out to be a fiasco. If the party of Walter Rodney failed to get the black support then something is wrong somewhere with these people. Why bash the PPP for not getting their support?  If the PPP failed to win their support because they are "racist" then how do you or Hinds explain their reluctance to support the WPA? 

There is not one post here that you can find that illustrate I support the government. What you will find instead is commentary that they will do as the PPP did and it is all the PPP's fault. They refused to concede the dictatorial powers of t he constitution is to the detriment of all. What is there to elaborate on over a thousand words by the gentleman. The WPA's failure to cull African votes is no less for similar reasons that the UF or any of a dozen or more did not get any....ethnic polarization and consolidation of votes to the party of their choice least the vote is "wasted."  The PPP failed to win African votes because they did not listen or paid attention w hen they claimed marginalization. Instead they launched Misir and his hundred page statistical miasma to repudiate their claims and insist then neg.roes are in their designated place.

FM
Nehru posted:

What an IGNORANT way of thinking. Knowing the PNC is worst BUt still want them instead of the PPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is quite sure of the PNC thiefing and bullying but you know what, let the PNC have ultimate POWER.  If that is not IGNORANCE at the highest level, then there is no ignorance on this planet!!!!!!!!!!

It is only ignorant is you do not grasp the need to change a zero sum proposition. One cannot continue to play chicken. They payoff is in living and a penalty exerted to the hard headed one as is now extracted on the PPP

FM
D2 posted:

now you cows can masticate on what I said because you are in for a long duration of cud chewing.

I am going for a street bike ride.

I need to make an appointment to have my eyes checked. At first glance I read that as masturbate......

GTAngler
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Nehru posted:
D2 posted:
FC posted:

You won't because you are devoid of class!!!!

he is in a class by himself! in mathematics you call it the empty set

As stated above both of you are JACKASSES, not that you will know. FILTH HEADS simply do not know anything but being STUPID. A FOOL like Hinds love dumb, stupid and naive FOOLS like you 2!!!!!!!!!

How would you know?  You are too dumb to comprehend what is written. Plus you are mentally challenged like ugly and company.

FM
D2 posted:
VishMahabir posted:
D2 posted:
VishMahabir posted:

I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.

Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.

Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?

This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.

I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.

 

Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.

These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.

Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.

Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems

 

Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.

I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?

The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.

What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.

Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.

You should first not break the post up by cryptic and stupid queries if you want to arrive at understanding. I do not have to affirm Hinds post. It is self affirming. My mention of the T shirt vendor is also self evident. Here is an uneducated  drug hustler becoming an elite informing you the rise did not come from industrious and creative investments but corruption and crony capitalism.

My mention of syria etc was to afford you a broader vision of the potential for internal disaster when the intellectual, entrepreneurial, managerial, governmental, security structure from which a national elite emerge is not  demographically represented in the system chaos develops.

Lambasting Hinds for his serious assessment of Indian racism in action is not going to help clarify anything or accrue to a well written criticism by you. It simply reifies that the racism and intellectual blindness in the indian community is sickeningly pervasive .

The PPP were tasked to transition us into a democracy. Instead they hardened the old dictatorial constitution by defending it at every level and asserting that it is valid. Their pocket judges in the courts fortified that belief into legal precedence. The present APNU now have a free hand to ride the wave of an autocratic system to constitute something a hundred times the size of the PPP. Note they did not spread the wealth beyond their friends and family.

Our economy is  slated to increase some 20 times its size and hundreds of times its economic power. It will all be concentrated in the hands of a very few with whatever percolating down reaching indians after being slopped up by mainly one ethnic group. Then you will build a statue to Hinds and wish you were his convert.

This is such a jaundiced view that it confirms a reality that is pervasive in your response and in Guyana...namely that Indians are racists, devious and are out to enslave Blacks.

Nothing about Hinds (a person who rejected the fact that  Nagamootoo should be given the PM post!) hidden agenda in your pontificating response.

...Guyana, according to world bank and other reports cannot experience a democratic culture unless the race problem is addressed.

Notwithstanding Hinds other comments,  my question still stands: How do the PNC continue to defend the fact that mainly Indians are being relieved of their positions, and how do we convince Indians that they are not targets and what is being done is fair and just? Or do we simply continue to assume that ALL of them are wicked and devious thieves?

I suppose this would be comparable to the Affirmative Action debate in this country. When is there going to be a level playing field? Or do we continue ad infinitum to preference one group over the other?

I reiterate what seems to fly over your head:  Guyananese leaders (including PPP ones) need to work together to devise a formula that will address this and the other issues raised Hinds.

Simple accusing all Indians as PPP supporters and as parasites and exploiters will not cut it.

 

Indians are racists. There is no denying that. Theirs is the only culture in Guyana that has cultural prohibitions that are strictly enforced through normative practices.  The acerbic rantings here about black man not having the mental aptitude to do anything validated that in the vernacular. Here we have labels like dirty indians PNC goons a ready labels to any Indian who do not toe the racist line.  Every other post here is to that end. Check the thread creation. It is always the PNC doing this or that to indians when the same was absent in the PPP friends and family era.

The reaching for affirmative action as a comparison again illustrates the entrenched racist crap that percolates in your heads. There is hardly a comparison between blacks in Guyana and here. You for example are in the category of minorities here even if you do not self identify. Much of what affirmative action has helped you here from housing to, banking to prohibiting red lining to distribution system etd. Do you know that no non white person distributed pepsi and coke and other products generally as late as 84? You are just spewing you own rancid racism when you take yourself outside the reality of what is affirmed here in the US. Your very presence here is affirmed because others died

This comment of yours here that all Indians are racists demonstrates your latent and hidden racist attitude towards Indians. It seems like you are affected by the Indians on GNI, the same people you complain about, despite your pontificating and trying to come off like an intellectual. Its no wonder that the Indians on this board take an antagonistic tone towards your ranting's. You should be ashamed of yourself...this statement puts you in the same category as the rednecks and the KKK.

Even Professor Hinds would not make such a statement.

This makes you a true KNUCKLEHEAD.

V
FC posted:
Nehru posted:
D2 posted:
FC posted:

You won't because you are devoid of class!!!!

he is in a class by himself! in mathematics you call it the empty set

As stated above both of you are JACKASSES, not that you will know. FILTH HEADS simply do not know anything but being STUPID. A FOOL like Hinds love dumb, stupid and naive FOOLS like you 2!!!!!!!!!

How would you know?  You are too dumb to comprehend what is written. Plus you are mentally challenged like ugly and company.

I hope you will finally be able to pull your head out of your kakahole, no explanation needed as to how it got there.!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru

So far the only sensible posts against Hinds article is that of Vish and possibly Siggy the rest are pure rubbish...as I said before..an ignorant lot. Good thing you folk don't speak for those in Guyana..if you do...PPP in worse trouble.

cain
VishMahabir posted:

This comment of yours here that all Indians are racists demonstrates your latent and hidden racist attitude towards Indians. It seems like you are affected by the Indians on GNI, the same people you complain about, despite your pontificating and trying to come off like an intellectual. Its no wonder that the Indians on this board take an antagonistic tone towards your ranting's. You should be ashamed of yourself...this statement puts you in the same category as the rednecks and the KKK.

Even Professor Hinds would not make such a statement.

This makes you a true KNUCKLEHEAD.

Of course there are many indians who are not racists. I know Errol and he fits in and out of every culture. I suggest you go out in your community or in your own family and just ask them what they think of granger.In a minute you will get a revelation.

 Deny at your own peril. I deal with it in my own family and mine is large. My father had 13 sisters and they give us 67 cousins 61 of whom are still with us and we are all close. 

I am an intellectual. I dare you to say otherwise. It is clear that very little gets by me and that is what annoys most of you because you crabs need to think you are mentally the superior to any.Well meet me!

Indians here are just a hyped up corollary what you meet in the street. These are people whose ancestors came from the rear end of India but very few are humble and understanding that they share a world with many of similar circumstance. Is that not why you think you are outside the spectrum of affirmative action when you bloody well live here affirmed by the blood of dead black people?

 

FM
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cain posted:

So far the only sensible posts against Hinds article is that of Vish and possibly Siggy the rest are pure rubbish...as I said before..an ignorant lot. Good thing you folk don't speak for those in Guyana..if you do...PPP in worse trouble.

I think you give that old racist siggy too much credit. Besides Paul and Persaud there is not a lesser vile bigot here. Well he and Skeldon Ape would be clawing for a podium space

FM

Anyone who can enjoy Neil Diamond gotta be cool but Nahhh even though I know Siggy tries his best to piss me off there are times I have to agree with him....well er...maybe once.

cain
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D2 posted:
 

Lambasting Hinds for his serious assessment of Indian racism

There will never be a critical analysis of Indian racism and ethnic mobilization on GNI.  Look at how almost all of the Indian here, from the racists like yuji, to the moderates like Vishmahabir and Zed, jumped all over you last year when you attempted this discussion.  The exceptions were django, gilbakka and a few others whose new names are PNC slop carriers.

They will however discuss the African racism of the PNC and APNU though.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
 

Notwithstanding Hinds other comments,  my question still stands: How do the PNC continue to defend the fact that mainly Indians are being relieved of their positions,

 

If 8 out of 10 heads were Indians and 6 were removed now why wouldn't there have been mainly Indians removed?   This was revealed when Trotman didn't deny that this was the case when asked by Nigel Hughes.

APNU/AFC did also remove blacks, like the one in charge of Go Invest.  But clearly most of the people removed would have been Indian.

What would have been more appropriate is if you cited specific Indians who were competent and who were fired only because they were Indians.

People like you denied that Indians were put in almost all top positions in Guyana during the PPP era, and especially after Jagdeo took over.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
...this statement puts you in the same category as the rednecks and the KKK.

Even Professor Hinds would not make such a statement.

This makes you a true KNUCKLEHEAD.

Of interest of course is when the Indo KKK scream racist rants about blacks and damn those Indians who aren't racists as being "PNC slop carriers" and "dirty Indians" you say nothing about them.

FM
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:
 

Notwithstanding Hinds other comments,  my question still stands: How do the PNC continue to defend the fact that mainly Indians are being relieved of their positions,

 

If 8 out of 10 heads were Indians and 6 were removed now why wouldn't there have been mainly Indians removed?   This was revealed when Trotman didn't deny that this was the case when asked by Nigel Hughes.

APNU/AFC did also remove blacks, like the one in charge of Go Invest.  But clearly most of the people removed would have been Indian.

This was discussed many times but it will still be questioned until the nect election. This is one reason some Indians are called racist..I would more liken it to stupidity.

cain
D2 posted:
cain posted:

So far the only sensible posts against Hinds article is that of Vish and possibly Siggy the rest are pure rubbish...as I said before..an ignorant lot. Good thing you folk don't speak for those in Guyana..if you do...PPP in worse trouble.

I think you give that old racist siggy too much credit. Besides Paul and Persaud there is not a lesser vile bigot here. Well he and Skeldon Ape would be clawing for a podium space

Skeldon Ape would be clawing up your house tree to meet your family. He would feel right at home too. Do you allow piwari and cassava bread  up your family's house tree? 

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
D2 posted:
cain posted:

So far the only sensible posts against Hinds article is that of Vish and possibly Siggy the rest are pure rubbish...as I said before..an ignorant lot. Good thing you folk don't speak for those in Guyana..if you do...PPP in worse trouble.

I think you give that old racist siggy too much credit. Besides Paul and Persaud there is not a lesser vile bigot here. Well he and Skeldon Ape would be clawing for a podium space

Skeldon Ape would be clawing up your house tree to meet your family. He would feel right at home too. Do you allow piwari and cassava bread  up your family's house tree? 

Ow man right after I mentioned yall rass might not be racist just stupidy and might I add ( a bit of both) you go and post this to remove any doubt..ai ai ai ai ai

cain

And what is interesting is when the PPP was in charge and blacks cried about about marginalization such claims were ridiculed by people like Vish and Zed.  And those who made them were called racist.

Now of course the PPP is now in suddenly its now "forget about the past, and lets have discussions (to protect Indians)".  They didn't think that this was necessary when the PPP was in power, and if the PPP wins in 2020 then the matter will be solved.

FM

Just like Guyana, this Discussion on this Board has been coming on and going on for over 20 years. Over those years the anti-Indian views have not changed. And the proponents of Hate Coolies Regardless are still around, and one would think that their misguided sentiments would have changed by now. Generations have come and died, but yet. Perhaps, racism harbor there souls. Entrenched in beliefs that once you are an Indian then such a Guyanese must hate all black people. Men of such thoughts are really the main stumbling block for racial harmony in Guyana.

There is this idea that the PNC must only talk to black people and black people are the only ones who should approach this government for dicussion on the progress of Guyana. The same dilemma goes for the PPP and it caucus of East Indians when they hold power.

There is no national concesus in Guyana. Even the Political commentators see through the lenses of racism, coolis and blacks. Our governments have done absolutely nothing in there thinking that they govern and the Oppostion is part of the governing of Guyana. Neither alllow any Sane Voices to be heard. 

One would think that Granger might have entertained the opinions of a few Indians in moving Guyana forward, as I am certain David Hinds is well recieved with his opinions.

Too much emphasis is placed on Racism in Guyana. I say move the country forward and Home Based Guyanese will be happier and merrier. 

 

S

"Just like Guyana, this Discussion on this Board has been coming on and going on for over 20 years. Over those years the anti-Indian views have not changed. And the proponents of Hate Coolies Regardless are still around, and one would think that their misguided sentiments would have changed by now.".

Just like Cain and Carib. The two Conmen. Their hate for Indos is of such a magnitude that it cannot be measured. They now use a new code word to humiliate Indos, it is called PPP.

I am all for a Truth Commission like they did in South Africa. All sides spill their guts and the Nation moves on.

This will NEVER happen in Guyana.

FM

I think perhaps dem white people should ketch all dem rass, put dem in chains and keep 'em backsides as slaves if they keep carryin' on like this...what you say there bro Siggy?

I really hoped that Granger uses some commonsense and pull the people together by now. Is it possible we on the outside are the fools fighting among each other while those in Guyana do get along?

A while back I met a Guyanese chap as I walked out of a store. I caught the accent and told him I am from Guyana. We spoke for a while and he told me that he got along with all races and never had a problem and couldn't see why there is so much hostility among some who brought in race on everything they did. He spoke well of Guyana. He was of East Indian descent. I'm almost sure that chap was not yugi.

cain
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"I really hoped that Granger uses some commonsense and pull the people together by now. Is it possible we on the outside are the fools fighting among each other while those in Guyana do get along?"

BINGO, you finally get it that you wasting your time fighting over a non-issue 

AJ

The situation in Guyana very different from GNI. The PPP would like the conversation to be like GNI.  They are constantly playing with the race card to the young people in Guyana who grew up in a different era than their parents. Why do you think there are no young people on GNI?  This place has become the  sanctuary for remaining hard core indo racists.  They can spew their vitriol while balancing on their canes and walkers.

FM
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FC posted:

The situation in Guyana very different from GNI. The PPP would like the conversation to be like GNI.  They are constantly playing with the race card to the young people in Guyana who grew up in a different era than their parents. Why do you think there are no young people on GNI?  This place has become the  sanctuary for remaining hard core indo racists.  They can spew their vitriol while balancing on their canes and walkers.

Nothing but the truth,

Yugi and the Indo-Centrist crew drool that GNI exist where they can spill their bilge.

Django
cain posted:

So far the only sensible posts against Hinds article is that of Vish and possibly Siggy the rest are pure rubbish...as I said before..an ignorant lot. Good thing you folk don't speak for those in Guyana..if you do...PPP in worse trouble.

Cain, are you trying to sound like our good friend Prashad or are you practicing plagiarism ?

K
Django posted:
FC posted:

The situation in Guyana very different from GNI. The PPP would like the conversation to be like GNI.  They are constantly playing with the race card to the young people in Guyana who grew up in a different era than their parents. Why do you think there are no young people on GNI?  This place has become the  sanctuary for remaining hard core indo racists.  They can spew their vitriol while balancing on their canes and walkers.

Nothing but the truth,

Yugi and the Indo-Centrist crew drool that GNI exist where they can spill their bilge.

If the PPP was serious about race relations during their tenure in office we would be having a different conversation today. 

FM
FC posted:
Django posted:
FC posted:

The situation in Guyana very different from GNI. The PPP would like the conversation to be like GNI.  They are constantly playing with the race card to the young people in Guyana who grew up in a different era than their parents. Why do you think there are no young people on GNI?  This place has become the  sanctuary for remaining hard core indo racists.  They can spew their vitriol while balancing on their canes and walkers.

Nothing but the truth,

Yugi and the Indo-Centrist crew drool that GNI exist where they can spill their bilge.

If the PPP was serious about race relations during their tenure in office we would be having a different conversation today. 

Blame it on Jagdeo and crew,they were busy solidifying their base and enriching themselves,as i mentioned Jagan would have accomplished that feat,unfortunately  his time was short lived.

This government can do it,they need to put more effort to achieve the goal,the country is divided for too long.

Django
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Django posted:
FC posted:
Django posted:
FC posted:

The situation in Guyana very different from GNI. The PPP would like the conversation to be like GNI.  They are constantly playing with the race card to the young people in Guyana who grew up in a different era than their parents. Why do you think there are no young people on GNI?  This place has become the  sanctuary for remaining hard core indo racists.  They can spew their vitriol while balancing on their canes and walkers.

Nothing but the truth,

Yugi and the Indo-Centrist crew drool that GNI exist where they can spill their bilge.

If the PPP was serious about race relations during their tenure in office we would be having a different conversation today. 

Blame it on Jagdeo and crew,they were busy solidifying their base and enriching themselves,as i mentioned Jagan would have accomplished that feat,unfortunately  his time was short lived.

This government can do it,they need to put more effort to achieve the goal,the country is divided for too long.

Another reason Jagdeo should never ever become president again. I have said before and maintain, he is interested in a state where there is a rich elite and a poor working class serving them. No middle class.

GTAngler
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Amen GT. The oligarchs living the high life while the poor being fed the bait of the black bogey man.  Vote for us because the Blackman waiting around to take over. They are going to burn, pillage, rob, rape you all.

FM
FC posted:

Django, I agree with you. This government has to do it. Otherwise, we are running fast but in the same place.

Individuals on this BB don't recognize,Granger doesn't say we are solidifying our base,what he is saying is "He is for all the people".

Dr.George Norton the Amerind will have to get the ball rolling more efficiently.

Django
Django posted:
FC posted:
Django posted:
FC posted:

The situation in Guyana very different from GNI. The PPP would like the conversation to be like GNI.  They are constantly playing with the race card to the young people in Guyana who grew up in a different era than their parents. Why do you think there are no young people on GNI?  This place has become the  sanctuary for remaining hard core indo racists.  They can spew their vitriol while balancing on their canes and walkers.

Nothing but the truth,

Yugi and the Indo-Centrist crew drool that GNI exist where they can spill their bilge.

If the PPP was serious about race relations during their tenure in office we would be having a different conversation today. 

Blame it on Jagdeo and crew,they were busy solidifying their base and enriching themselves,as i mentioned Jagan would have accomplished that feat,unfortunately  his time was short lived.

This government can do it,they need to put more effort to achieve the goal,the country is divided for too long.

This was and still is, my hope when Granger was elected. Unfortunately EVERYTHING he does will be wrong in the eyes of the opposition even if it makes sense or is something THEY should have done when they were there. Guyana's biggest hurdle is racist politics and the bottom feeders who exploit and prey on  the naivety and ignorance of the uneducated. Take a poll across rural Guyana and ask BOTH sides what exactly the party they support stands for. 

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:

This was and still is, my hope when Granger was elected. Unfortunately EVERYTHING he does will be wrong in the eyes of the opposition even if it makes sense or is something THEY should have done when they were there. Guyana's biggest hurdle is racist politics and the bottom feeders who exploit and prey on  the naivety and ignorance of the uneducated. Take a poll across rural Guyana and ask BOTH sides what exactly the party they support stands for. 

Finally the truth is revealed, you were a jackass Granger supporter from the beginning, trying to pass yourself off as an independent. It takes quite the idiot to resolve in their mind, an old army criminal from the PNC era being capable of leading a nation. 

FM

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

FM
FC posted:

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

Don't exclude the PNC role in the outcome of the Jagdeo presidency. Street protests, mo fiah slow fiah, freedom fighters aka criminal ecapees, we fed up ah de coolie,  overseas authors, Hoyte's mandate to make the country ungovernable. Despite all these threats to stability, the Jagdo years turned out to be the most progressive. 

FM

These Chaps are beyond STUPID. Uncle Nehru warned them in simple terms BUT comprehension is not their thing. Even a DUMMY knows about the INCOMPETENCE, BULLYING, VIOLENCE, UNDEMOCRATIC and BARBARIC nature of the PNC!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

This was and still is, my hope when Granger was elected. Unfortunately EVERYTHING he does will be wrong in the eyes of the opposition even if it makes sense or is something THEY should have done when they were there. Guyana's biggest hurdle is racist politics and the bottom feeders who exploit and prey on  the naivety and ignorance of the uneducated. Take a poll across rural Guyana and ask BOTH sides what exactly the party they support stands for. 

Finally the truth is revealed, you were a jackass Granger supporter from the beginning, trying to pass yourself off as an independent. It takes quite the idiot to resolve in their mind, an old army criminal from the PNC era being capable of leading a nation. 

Listen you dunce, this isn't the first time I said I supported Granger. So cease your braying.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

This was and still is, my hope when Granger was elected. Unfortunately EVERYTHING he does will be wrong in the eyes of the opposition even if it makes sense or is something THEY should have done when they were there. Guyana's biggest hurdle is racist politics and the bottom feeders who exploit and prey on  the naivety and ignorance of the uneducated. Take a poll across rural Guyana and ask BOTH sides what exactly the party they support stands for. 

Finally the truth is revealed, you were a jackass Granger supporter from the beginning, trying to pass yourself off as an independent. It takes quite the idiot to resolve in their mind, an old army criminal from the PNC era being capable of leading a nation. 

Listen you dunce, this isn't the first time I said I supported Granger. So cease your braying.

So you have history with this crabdog, good for you, but don't go around pretending that you are independent. At least the chief slop can carrier is consistent, but you are the worse kind, a chamelion. 

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

This was and still is, my hope when Granger was elected. Unfortunately EVERYTHING he does will be wrong in the eyes of the opposition even if it makes sense or is something THEY should have done when they were there. Guyana's biggest hurdle is racist politics and the bottom feeders who exploit and prey on  the naivety and ignorance of the uneducated. Take a poll across rural Guyana and ask BOTH sides what exactly the party they support stands for. 

Finally the truth is revealed, you were a jackass Granger supporter from the beginning, trying to pass yourself off as an independent. It takes quite the idiot to resolve in their mind, an old army criminal from the PNC era being capable of leading a nation. 

Listen you dunce, this isn't the first time I said I supported Granger. So cease your braying.

So you have history with this crabdog, good for you, but don't go around pretending that you are independent. At least the chief slop can carrier is consistent, but you are the worse kind, a chamelion. 

You are incapable of intelligent thought and rational thinking. In other words, a complete imbecile. You are a follower and what's worse, a mindless follower. A chameleon changes colors. I have never waivered on my stance. I have never supported either party because both left a lot to be desired. I hope and still hope that Granger is different from the old PNC. In your bigoted and racist eyes, you can't see past colour. As I said before, idiots like you don't see ideas , just who puts forth them. The context is probably irrelevant since you can only understand monosyllabic words. Continue to wallow in your ignorance.

GTAngler
FC posted:

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

That is exactly the way I felt and so do many others. We expected better from BJ but he took over from the Burnham years and ran with it.

cain
cain posted:
FC posted:

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

That is exactly the way I felt and so do many others. We expected better from BJ but he took over from the Burnham years and ran with it.

Lies, BJ buss the PNC ass.  It is said that antiman can fight bad bad, if indeed he is such. 

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

This was and still is, my hope when Granger was elected. Unfortunately EVERYTHING he does will be wrong in the eyes of the opposition even if it makes sense or is something THEY should have done when they were there. Guyana's biggest hurdle is racist politics and the bottom feeders who exploit and prey on  the naivety and ignorance of the uneducated. Take a poll across rural Guyana and ask BOTH sides what exactly the party they support stands for. 

Finally the truth is revealed, you were a jackass Granger supporter from the beginning, trying to pass yourself off as an independent. It takes quite the idiot to resolve in their mind, an old army criminal from the PNC era being capable of leading a nation. 

We are aware you are a dummy so I will make this easy for you. Everyone who felt betrayed by the PPP wanted them out so it is obvious they would have supported anyone who ran against him. Only a fool would think otherwise.

cain
GTAngler posted:

You are incapable of intelligent thought and rational thinking. In other words, a complete imbecile. You are a follower and what's worse, a mindless follower. A chameleon changes colors. I have never waivered on my stance. I have never supported either party because both left a lot to be desired. I hope and still hope that Granger is different from the old PNC. In your bigoted and racist eyes, you can't see past colour. As I said before, idiots like you don't see ideas , just who puts forth them. The context is probably irrelevant since you can only understand monosyllabic words. Continue to wallow in your ignorance.

As I stated before, you have your head in the cloud if you believe a former PNC crook with no economic qualifications can carry a country to prosperity.  At this juncture it is not about race but its the economy stupid.

FM
Drugb posted:
cain posted:
FC posted:

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

That is exactly the way I felt and so do many others. We expected better from BJ but he took over from the Burnham years and ran with it.

Lies, BJ buss the PNC ass.  It is said that antiman can fight bad bad, if indeed he is such. 

Yeh right..that is why he's in opposition and crying like a wimp.

cain
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

You are incapable of intelligent thought and rational thinking. In other words, a complete imbecile. You are a follower and what's worse, a mindless follower. A chameleon changes colors. I have never waivered on my stance. I have never supported either party because both left a lot to be desired. I hope and still hope that Granger is different from the old PNC. In your bigoted and racist eyes, you can't see past colour. As I said before, idiots like you don't see ideas , just who puts forth them. The context is probably irrelevant since you can only understand monosyllabic words. Continue to wallow in your ignorance.

As I stated before, you have your head in the cloud if you believe a former PNC crook with no economic qualifications can carry a country to prosperity.  At this juncture it is not about race but its the economy stupid.

You need to convince yourself not me. It has always been about Guyana for me. I prefer to have my head in the clouds than in the Latrine Pit. At least I aim high. You on the other hand can't dig any lower. As for prosperity, anything that doesn't include Jagdeo and his cronies staying fat would be wrong in your eyes. If you can get past that racist stigma for just a few minutes you'd see I am right. It's always the same excuse, the PNC started it and the PPP continued. Except Jagdeo took it to a whole new level. This is not Dr. Jagan's PPP.

GTAngler
Drugb posted:
FC posted:

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

Don't exclude the PNC role in the outcome of the Jagdeo presidency. Street protests, mo fiah slow fiah, freedom fighters aka criminal ecapees, we fed up ah de coolie,  overseas authors, Hoyte's mandate to make the country ungovernable. Despite all these threats to stability, the Jagdo years turned out to be the most progressive. 

This is a lame excuse. Just defending your hero. Look, leaders lead, that's what they do. They don't look for excuses. Take for example the case of Mandela. Despite, being imprisoned for 27 years by a repressive regime for standing up for his civil rights, he did not seek revenge.  Rather, he treated all South Africans as equals and embraced inclusiveness. Contrast to BJ who proceeded to build an oligarchy that only included friends and family of the PPP.

Oh, I forgot he did back balled some female officer to demonstrate his subscription to inclusiveness.

FM
FC posted:
Drugb posted:
FC posted:

This is their chance to do better. Initially, I was very excited and full of hope when Jagdeo was elected. Here was someone from a different generation who surely would not have the same baggage from the past. He was a huge disappointment and failed to put his stamp on the country as someone who breached the racial divide. He brought the baggage and then some.

Don't exclude the PNC role in the outcome of the Jagdeo presidency. Street protests, mo fiah slow fiah, freedom fighters aka criminal ecapees, we fed up ah de coolie,  overseas authors, Hoyte's mandate to make the country ungovernable. Despite all these threats to stability, the Jagdo years turned out to be the most progressive. 

This is a lame excuse. Just defending your hero. Look, leaders lead, that's what they do. They don't look for excuses. Take for example the case of Mandela. Despite, being imprisoned for 27 years by a repressive regime for standing up for his civil rights, he did not seek revenge.  Rather, he treated all South Africans as equals and embraced inclusiveness. Contrast to BJ who proceeded to build an oligarchy that only included friends and family of the PPP.

Oh, I forgot he did back balled some female officer to demonstrate his subscription to inclusiveness.

Mandela was a leader. In Guyana, we have bigots for leaders. CBJ was also a bigot, not in the racist sense, but his determination to suffer fools instead of men and women of valor. Instead, he inbred the racists the PPP presently enfolds.

 

S
FC posted:

Django, I agree with you. This government has to do it. Otherwise, we are running fast but in the same place.

This is why the problem will never be resolved. While politicians didn't create the problem of ethnic distrust they clearly benefit from it.

So why will the government (which consists of politicians) want to solve the problem.?  Or why will the PPP, which will most likely replace them after 2020, given the ineptitude and abuse of its core base that APNU has displayed?

Jagdeo does best when he terrifies Indians that he is the only thing which prevents blacks from engaging in wholesale slaughter of them.

Then we have the ageing PNC black operatives who were left out in the PPP cold for 23 years, saw PPP operatives, paupers in 1992 but now millionaires.  They also want their cut now because they cannot guarantee that they will be back after 2020.

So tell me again why those who run the PPP and the PNC want a resolution of the ethnic paranoia which has seriously damaged Guyana?

When Guyanese of all stripes decide to deal with the problem. Decide to host HONEST discussion of why the problem exists. Including running off any idiot who wails "is de palitushuns because we does get on except at electshuns".

Why do Africans/mixed and Indians/Amerindians fear each other? Not because of 1964 or even because of Burnham because few people who experienced those eras are around today in large numbers.

In fact private sector entities can engage in employment and purchasing goods and service by merit and not ethnic loyalties and can demonstrate that by doing this the ethnic insecurity diminishes.  This because every Guyanese begins to understand that its their individual merits and not their race which will determine how well they do.

Other civic society stake holders can engage in similar behaviors.

But to think that Mr. Jagdeo, or Mr. Granger are going to solve the problem...................! Why when they have benefitted immensely from the current inter ethnic angst.

And yes we do have a few old time bigots like the members of the Indo KKK. But the problem in Guyana isn't inter ethnic hatred. Its a deep rooted belief that ethnic paranoia creates unfair treatment and allocation of resources based on race. Solve that and make people believe that its no longer an issue and we move forward.

FM
GTAngler posted:

You need to convince yourself not me. It has always been about Guyana for me. I prefer to have my head in the clouds than in the Latrine Pit. At least I aim high. You on the other hand can't dig any lower. As for prosperity, anything that doesn't include Jagdeo and his cronies staying fat would be wrong in your eyes. If you can get past that racist stigma for just a few minutes you'd see I am right. It's always the same excuse, the PNC started it and the PPP continued. Except Jagdeo took it to a whole new level. This is not Dr. Jagan's PPP.

Who care what you think, at the end of the day the economy is in shambles, the GYD plummeting against the US, the people don't have jobs as sugar and rice are in the toilet,  and the PNC pan african crabdogs are at the helm of this grounded ship called Guyana.  Meanwhile you slop can carriers build altar to worship jackass Granger.  Its the economy stupid. 

FM
FC posted:

This is a lame excuse. Just defending your hero. Look, leaders lead, that's what they do. They don't look for excuses. Take for example the case of Mandela. Despite, being imprisoned for 27 years by a repressive regime for standing up for his civil rights, he did not seek revenge.  Rather, he treated all South Africans as equals and embraced inclusiveness. Contrast to BJ who proceeded to build an oligarchy that only included friends and family of the PPP.

Oh, I forgot he did back balled some female officer to demonstrate his subscription to inclusiveness.

Lame excuse? The man governed over a civil war like atmosphere and still managed to grow the economy, that is a miracle.  BJ was loved by all races, the Blacks called him the father of the nation and said that he gave them milk while under the PNC they had black tea. That is why you critics of bJ get heart palpitations and epileptic seizures every time the issue of a 3rd term comes up. 

FM
caribny posted:

How so when every squeal from you is about "PNC bandits"? They seem to be alive and kicking if we are to believe your rants.

PNC bandit came back to life after BJ turned over the country to Ramoutar.  BJ took the teeth out of the feared PNC. In fact he had them shivering in their boots in fear.  Don't worry, the formula to tame the PNC is well known, it can always be recreated. Phantoms anyone?

FM
Drugb posted:
FC posted:

This is a lame excuse. Just defending your hero. Look, leaders lead, that's what they do. They don't look for excuses. Take for example the case of Mandela. Despite, being imprisoned for 27 years by a repressive regime for standing up for his civil rights, he did not seek revenge.  Rather, he treated all South Africans as equals and embraced inclusiveness. Contrast to BJ who proceeded to build an oligarchy that only included friends and family of the PPP.

Oh, I forgot he did back balled some female officer to demonstrate his subscription to inclusiveness.

Lame excuse? The man governed over a civil war like atmosphere and still managed to grow the economy, that is a miracle.  BJ was loved by all races, the Blacks called him the father of the nation and said that he gave them milk while under the PNC they had black tea. That is why you critics of bJ get heart palpitations and epileptic seizures every time the issue of a 3rd term comes up. 

how he can be the father of the nation and he was a queen

FM
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:

how he can be the father of the nation and he was a queen

How would you know his sexual orientation unless you clap lolo on the man. 

the same way i know you is stupid without checking your IQ

FM
warrior posted:
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:

how he can be the father of the nation and he was a queen

How would you know his sexual orientation unless you clap lolo on the man. 

the same way i know you is stupid without checking your IQ

Or maybe Jaggy clap one put yuh and cause major damage, hence your hatred for him. 

FM
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:

how he can be the father of the nation and he was a queen

How would you know his sexual orientation unless you clap lolo on the man. 

the same way i know you is stupid without checking your IQ

Or maybe Jaggy clap one put yuh and cause major damage, hence your hatred for him. 

They are having shytings when they hear the Name Jagdeo. Imagine if they face Jagdeo face to face, they might have a heart attack and die.

They have so much hate for Jagdeo that they are supporting a racist Dumb Jackass.

FM
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:

how he can be the father of the nation and he was a queen

How would you know his sexual orientation unless you clap lolo on the man. 

the same way i know you is stupid without checking your IQ

Or maybe Jaggy clap one put yuh and cause major damage, hence your hatred for him. 

They are having shytings when they hear the Name Jagdeo. Imagine if they face Jagdeo face to face, they might have a heart attack and die.

They have so much hate for Jagdeo that they are supporting a racist Dumb Jackass.

your parents have to down their head in shame when they see you encouraging thieving 

FM
warrior posted:

your parents have to down their head in shame when they see you encouraging thieving 

You keep harping about thieving but after 2 years not 1 PPP jailed for past indiscretions.  The only people thieving now is the PnC.

FM
warrior posted:
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:
Drugb posted:
warrior posted:

how he can be the father of the nation and he was a queen

How would you know his sexual orientation unless you clap lolo on the man. 

the same way i know you is stupid without checking your IQ

Or maybe Jaggy clap one put yuh and cause major damage, hence your hatred for him. 

They are having shytings when they hear the Name Jagdeo. Imagine if they face Jagdeo face to face, they might have a heart attack and die.

They have so much hate for Jagdeo that they are supporting a racist Dumb Jackass.

your parents have to down their head in shame when they see you 

Oi warrior, just edited your last post for you...I kinda shortened it just a tad.hope u doan mind.

cain
Last edited by cain

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