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Imran posted:
ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

I see he gone in hiding. 

Thanks for identifying these barefaced propagandist.

"Go Keith Go "

Have a bless day.

I know you enjoy me kicking your ass but I have grown bored of it so gwan suh.

Stop imagine stuff .. Keith is KICKING your ass banna.

 

So far Keith has done a terrible job answering questions. I am not surprised that you think otherwise. Every question I posed is a direct response to a statement in one of his posts and all my citations are directly from the Bible where I even cited the passages. His responses are a disservice to to Bible but you are too poisoned to make that distinction. If Keith wants to redeem himself, he would need to go back to each question and truthfully answer them in his own words.

ksazma posted:

Jesus ministry lasted 3 years from when he was 30 to 33 years old. During that time Paul was not part of Jesus' chosen few. Then after Jesus was no longer around Paul said that Jesus met him on the road to Damascus and even though he was not around anymore he still reminded Paul that Paul persecutes him. Now if while and after Jesus was here Paul was still seen as persecuting him, what part of Paul being a scoundrel is so difficult to understand? Perhaps it is necessary to take Paul's side instead of Jesus' because they are not the same side. Isn't everything cited in my comment here from the Bible?

Is this where your head cannot wrap around what you are reading? Let me help you out here. Here is Act 9 verse 1- 8, pay attention to what's highlighted.

The Damascus Road: Saul Converted

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Note: As you, ksazma stated and I quote, "Jesus ministry lasted 3 years from when he was 30 to 33 years old. During that time Paul was not part of Jesus' chosen few. Then after Jesus was no longer around Paul said that Jesus met him on the road to Damascus and even though he was not around anymore he still reminded Paul that Paul persecutes him."

Question: In you statement above could we agree that this took place after Jesus resurrection or as you put after His 33 years of life. Where was Jesus then? If he was not physically round Paul...excuse me Saul, where was that light coming from? Who voice was it Saul heard?  The other part of your statement not worth looking into, I just don't want to overwhelm you.

And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

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ksazma posted:
Imran posted:
ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

I see he gone in hiding. 

Thanks for identifying these barefaced propagandist.

"Go Keith Go "

Have a bless day.

I know you enjoy me kicking your ass but I have grown bored of it so gwan suh.

Stop imagine stuff .. Keith is KICKING your ass banna.

 

So far Keith has done a terrible job answering questions. I am not surprised that you think otherwise. Every question I posed is a direct response to a statement in one of his posts and all my citations are directly from the Bible where I even cited the passages. His responses are a disservice to to Bible but you are too poisoned to make that distinction. If Keith wants to redeem himself, he would need to go back to each question and truthfully answer them in his own words.

ksazma you are failing to understand that if you question me about a verses/scriptures in the Bible, I would do my due diligence to find the answer within the Bible. I don't have to add to what is clearly written there in the Bible.

Therefore when you come up with your nip pick verses from the Bible and try to tarnish it by not READING what you nip picking in it's entirety doesn't warrant my answer in my own works, I point you back to the source of where all answer are.

Now you on the other hand, I am still waiting for you to provide your corroboration in reference to those statement you made......What taking you so long buddy?

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:
ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

I see he gone in hiding. 

Thanks for identifying these barefaced propagandist.

"Go Keith Go "

Have a bless day.

I know you enjoy me kicking your ass but I have grown bored of it so gwan suh.

Stop imagine stuff .. Keith is KICKING your ass banna.

 

So far Keith has done a terrible job answering questions. I am not surprised that you think otherwise. Every question I posed is a direct response to a statement in one of his posts and all my citations are directly from the Bible where I even cited the passages. His responses are a disservice to to Bible but you are too poisoned to make that distinction. If Keith wants to redeem himself, he would need to go back to each question and truthfully answer them in his own words.

Carry on dude, have you answer all of Keith questions?

Have a good weekend folks, I'll not be responding until Monday...that give my friend ksazma adequate time to research and find those supportive statement to back his claims up.  

Imran my friend, it's not about who's winning and kicking ass, as God children here on this earth we are to uplift and correct each others in the way which they should walk.

"You need to be aware of what others are doing, applaud their efforts, acknowledge their successes, and encourage them in their pursuits. When we all help one another, everybody wins." – Jim Stovall

Lets remember to stay humble, a dignified person accomplishes much, but brags little. They are secure in their standing without needing to make noise, often treating everyone with tremendous respect, regardless of position or faith.

Imran posted:
 

Carry on dude, have you answer all of Keith questions?

I guess you missed where I stated that I don't have any burden here. I pointed to a Biblical passage and give my interpretation of it. Those passages were a direct response to statements in Keith's postings. It is Keith's burden to EXPLAIN why my interpretation is incorrect. Cutting and pasting sermons totally unrelated to it is not a response.

Keith posted:

Have a good weekend folks, I'll not be responding until Monday...that give my friend ksazma adequate time to research and find those supportive statement to back his claims up.  

 

Dude. I already responded to you. Your posts make certain statements which used passages from your Bible to refute. I give my interpretation to those passages. What proof do you need on my interpretation. If I say that Jesus was bigoted and point out that he says that it is not proper to throw the children's pearls to the dogs, what proof are you looking for. You have to say that he did not say that which you refuse to touch. You can't control my interpretation of something just like I can't control your interpretation of something. That is why I don't question your interpretation of anything. All I question is if the passages that I quote are correct or not. Can you point to any quotes I claim are from that Bible that is NOT in the Bible? Go ahead. Show me up. Tell me where I stated that something is in the Bible that is NOT in the Bible. My interpretation of Paul is that he is a scoundrel who tricked people into seeing Jesus like how the Greeks and Romans saw Mithras and I can adequately provide arguments to support that. Can you point to any passage that claimed are from the Bible and say that it is not in the Bible?

Ksazma, if were paying close attention you would've notice the six post above this one I've disputed your misunderstanding of the scriptures in reference to Paul and Jesus. It's become a habit of yours to overlook the corrections where you errant and to post outlandish statements without a ounce of supportive statement to back your claims.

I have pointed out time and again what you were interpreting in the Bible was incorrect. On that note of supportive statements, as you insisted, by all means provide us with evidence to support your latest claim as I quote you:

"My interpretation of Paul is that he is a scoundrel who tricked people into seeing Jesus like how the Greeks and Romans saw Mithras and I can adequately provide arguments to support that."

Let's see your evidence of Paul trickery. 

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Keith posted:

Ksazma, if were paying close attention you would've notice the six post above this one I've disputed your misunderstanding of the scriptures in reference to Paul and Jesus. It's become a habit of yours to overlook the corrections where you errant and to post outlandish statements without a ounce of supportive statement to back your claims.

I have pointed out time and again what you were interpreting in the Bible was incorrect. On that note of supportive statements, as you insisted, by all means provide us with evidence to support your latest claim as I quote you:

"My interpretation of Paul is that he is a scoundrel who tricked people into seeing Jesus like how the Greeks and Romans saw Mithras and I can adequately provide arguments to support that."

Let's see your evidence of Paul trickery. 

Good morning Brother Keith. And what makes you think that you are interpreting the bible the correct way? How many times the bible has been rewritten and reinterpreted? Who is to say the facts of the bible or any religious book are true? I have seen documentaries where events quoted in the bible are attributed to god when in fact they were natural phenomena..like parting of the Red Sea(wind) and Sodom and Gomorrah(meteorite disintegrating after it hit the French Alps). Who knows!

 

The Power of Love

Luke 15:11-32

In Jesus’ day, three Greek words were used to express “love”—eros (physical intimacy), philia (friendship), and agape (fruit produced by the Holy Spirit, as listed in Galatians 5:22-23). Our heavenly Father cares for us with agape love, and to bring us into a right relationship with Him, He sacrificed His Son (1 John 4:10).

The parable of the prodigal son gives us a good example of this type of love. Agape is evident in our life when we:

Respond calmly to difficulties. To the son’s untimely demand for his share of the inheritance, the father didn’t reply with angry words about ungrateful children. Though the prodigal’s attitude must have caused pain, the man held his tongue and did not retaliate. In calmness, he could think more clearly and chose to love (1 Corinthians 13:4-5).

Sacrifice without complaint. Though he knew his son was committed to a ruinous course, the father quietly fulfilled the request. In doing so, he chose the way of love, directing his efforts towards preserving their relationship.

Wait patiently. Out of deep affection, the father let his son leave and stay away. What heartache the man must have felt! Yet he remained hopeful and waited for the young man to recognize that sin cannot deliver what it has promised. This patient response is possible only through the power of agape love (1 Corinthians 13:4).

The Holy Spirit’s work in our life empowers us to show selfless and sacrificial devotion to the development of another person. In that way, we become people who respond calmly, patiently, and without complaint. Which kind of emotion do you offer to others—human or divine?

Keith posted:

Ksazma, if were paying close attention you would've notice the six post above this one I've disputed your misunderstanding of the scriptures in reference to Paul and Jesus. It's become a habit of yours to overlook the corrections where you errant and to post outlandish statements without a ounce of supportive statement to back your claims.

I have pointed out time and again what you were interpreting in the Bible was incorrect. On that note of supportive statements, as you insisted, by all means provide us with evidence to support your latest claim as I quote you:

"My interpretation of Paul is that he is a scoundrel who tricked people into seeing Jesus like how the Greeks and Romans saw Mithras and I can adequately provide arguments to support that."

Let's see your evidence of Paul trickery. 

Dude, did I not show where (according to Paul) Jesus way after he was no longer on earth told Paul that he, Paul was persecuting Jesus. You are free to acknowledge it or not but you are not free to state that I didn't show you it. Didn't Jesus say that the only way to heaven is by following Moses' Commandments? Yet Paul says that the commandments are not the way. I interpret that as trickery by Paul. You don't have to. But you cannot say truthfully that those are not in the Bible.

I am not contesting your interpretation of the passages. I am strictly asking you to acknowledge that they exist. I don't complain that you use John 10:30 (I and the Father are one) to interpret that Jesus is God. Similarly, I should be able to interpret Mark 10:18 (Why call me good. There is ONLY ONE who is good. That is God) as Jesus is NOT God. I am just surprised that you don't use the same barometer for Mark 10:18 as you do for John 10:30. Notice that Jesus mentioned God in Mark 10:18 and not Father.

If Jesus said that Paul was persecuting him, then you have to ask yourself on question. Either Jesus is lying or Paul is.

skeldon_man posted:
Keith posted:

Ksazma, if were paying close attention you would've notice the six post above this one I've disputed your misunderstanding of the scriptures in reference to Paul and Jesus. It's become a habit of yours to overlook the corrections where you errant and to post outlandish statements without a ounce of supportive statement to back your claims.

I have pointed out time and again what you were interpreting in the Bible was incorrect. On that note of supportive statements, as you insisted, by all means provide us with evidence to support your latest claim as I quote you:

"My interpretation of Paul is that he is a scoundrel who tricked people into seeing Jesus like how the Greeks and Romans saw Mithras and I can adequately provide arguments to support that."

Let's see your evidence of Paul trickery. 

Good morning Brother Keith. And what makes you think that you are interpreting the bible the correct way? How many times the bible has been rewritten and reinterpreted? Who is to say the facts of the bible or any religious book are true? I have seen documentaries where events quoted in the bible are attributed to god when in fact they were natural phenomena..like parting of the Red Sea(wind) and Sodom and Gomorrah(meteorite disintegrating after it hit the French Alps). Who knows!

 

skeldon_man that's your problem you watch too many documentaries, why not search out the truth for yourself, read the bible it's going to set you free.

This is a common misconception. Some people think that the Bible was written in one language, translated to another language, then translated into yet another and so on until it was finally translated into the English. 

Here is how eloquently Matt Slick put it, "The complaint is that since it was rewritten so many times in different languages throughout history, it must have become corrupted. The "telephone" analogy is often used as an illustration.  It goes like this. One person tells another person a sentence who then tells another person, who tells yet another, and so on and so on until the last person hears a sentence that has little or nothing to do with the original one. The only problem with this analogy is that it doesn't fit the Bible at all.

The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek; and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly.  But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be "Jesus Christ." So the actual amount of textual variation of any concern is extremely low. Therefore, we can say that we have a remarkably accurate compilation of the original documents.

So when we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one-step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption. It is one translation step from the original to the English or to whatever language in which a person needs to read. So we translate into Spanish from the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Likewise we translate into the German from those same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as well. This is how it is done for each and every language into which we translate the Bible. We do not translate from the original languages to the English, to the Spanish, and then to the German. It is from the original languages to the English or into the Spanish or into the German. Therefore, the translations are very accurate and trustworthy regarding what the Bible originally said."

skeldon_man, I how that helps clear up your misconception of the bible. Read the Bible you will get revelation and be enlighten.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

Ksazma, if were paying close attention you would've notice the six post above this one I've disputed your misunderstanding of the scriptures in reference to Paul and Jesus. It's become a habit of yours to overlook the corrections where you errant and to post outlandish statements without a ounce of supportive statement to back your claims.

I have pointed out time and again what you were interpreting in the Bible was incorrect. On that note of supportive statements, as you insisted, by all means provide us with evidence to support your latest claim as I quote you:

"My interpretation of Paul is that he is a scoundrel who tricked people into seeing Jesus like how the Greeks and Romans saw Mithras and I can adequately provide arguments to support that."

Let's see your evidence of Paul trickery. 

Dude, did I not show where (according to Paul) Jesus way after he was no longer on earth told Paul that he, Paul was persecuting Jesus.

Answer: The voice asks, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? Who was Saul persecuting? Is this where you cannot understand? Saul was persecuting the disciples/followers of Jesus, where it says, "persecute me", Jesus identifies with his disciples, just as how is his body was broken for us, the 40 lashes, being crucified that he went through.
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You are free to acknowledge it or not but you are not free to state that I didn't show you it. Didn't Jesus say that the only way to heaven is by following Moses'Commandments?

Answer: NO!, if you wish to dispute that show me where (Book, Chapter and scriptures) in the Bible Jesus stated that. Jesus is the only way to heaven. Such an exclusive statement may grate on the postmodern ear, but it is true nonetheless. The Bible teaches that there is no other way to salvation than through Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.", See John 14:1-10 below for REFERENCE. He is not a way, as in one of many; He is the way, as in the one and only. No one, regardless of reputation, achievement, special knowledge, or personal holiness, can come to God the Father except through Jesus.

14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
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Yet Paul says that the commandments are not the way. I interpret that as trickery by Paul. You don't have to. But you cannot say truthfully that those are not in the Bible.

Answer: References please, where in the Bible and I mean you need to provide me with the book, chapter and scripture, let me narrow you search for you. Paul wrote the following books/letters...oops lets stick with books don't intend to confuse you.

Galatians 
1 and 2 Thessalonians
1 and 2 Corinthians and Romans
Ephesians, Philemon, Colossians, and Philippians
1 and 2 Timothy and Titus
It's believe he might have wrote Hebrew but not sure

so here your starting point. 
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I am not contesting your interpretation of the passages. I am strictly asking you to acknowledge that they exist. I don't complain that you use John 10:30 (I and the Father are one) to interpret that Jesus is God. Similarly, I should be able to interpret Mark 10:18 (Why call me good. There is ONLY ONE who is good. That is God) as Jesus is NOT God. I am just surprised that you don't use the same barometer for Mark 10:18 as you do for John 10:30. Notice that Jesus mentioned God in Mark 10:18 and not Father.

Answer: Mark 10:15-20

15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

When the "rich young ruler" addressed Jesus as "Good Teacher," the Lord posed this thought-provoking question: "Why do you call me good? No one is good except One, even God", as we see above in  (Mark. 10:17-18). In making this response, was Christ denying his divine nature? No; actually, the gist of his argument was just the opposite.

The young man carelessly had used the word "good," as though Jesus was merely a good teacher in much the same way that certain Jewish teachers had distinguished themselves as effective teachers, though apparently the expression "Good Teacher" was not formally used of the Jewish teachers.
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If Jesus said that Paul was persecuting him, then you have to ask yourself on question. Either Jesus is lying or Paul is.

Answer: Read my first answer to your question.

PS: Waiting to see your reference to the above mention. Wishing you and other a bless week.

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Keith posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Keith posted:

I have pointed out time and again what you were interpreting in the Bible was incorrect. On that note of supportive statements, as you insisted, by all means provide us with evidence to support your latest claim as I quote you:

Good morning Brother Keith. And what makes you think that you are interpreting the bible the correct way? How many times the bible has been rewritten and reinterpreted? Who is to say the facts of the bible or any religious book are true? I have seen documentaries where events quoted in the bible are attributed to god when in fact they were natural phenomena..like parting of the Red Sea(wind) and Sodom and Gomorrah(meteorite disintegrating after it hit the French Alps). Who knows!

 

skeldon_man that's your problem you watch too many documentaries, why not search out the truth for yourself, read the bible it's going to set you free.

This is a common misconception. Some people think that the Bible was written in one language, translated to another language, then translated into yet another and so on until it was finally translated into the English. 

Here is how eloquently Matt Slick put it, "The complaint is that since it was rewritten so many times in different languages throughout history, it must have become corrupted. The "telephone" analogy is often used as an illustration.  It goes like this. One person tells another person a sentence who then tells another person, who tells yet another, and so on and so on until the last person hears a sentence that has little or nothing to do with the original one. The only problem with this analogy is that it doesn't fit the Bible at all.

The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek; and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly.  But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be "Jesus Christ." So the actual amount of textual variation of any concern is extremely low. Therefore, we can say that we have a remarkably accurate compilation of the original documents.

So when we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one-step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption. It is one translation step from the original to the English or to whatever language in which a person needs to read. So we translate into Spanish from the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Likewise we translate into the German from those same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as well. This is how it is done for each and every language into which we translate the Bible. We do not translate from the original languages to the English, to the Spanish, and then to the German. It is from the original languages to the English or into the Spanish or into the German. Therefore, the translations are very accurate and trustworthy regarding what the Bible originally said."

skeldon_man, I how that helps clear up your misconception of the bible. Read the Bible you will get revelation and be enlighten.

Religion is the source of all the world's problems. Skeldon_man is not gullible to believe everything he reads. He has a mind of his own and does analyze what he hears or reads. It's called logical thinking. Cutting and pasting parts of the bible doesn't mean you you really comprehend the message of the bible.

skeldon_man posted:
Religion is the source of all the world's problems. Skeldon_man is not gullible to believe everything he reads. He has a mind of his own and does analyze what he hears or reads. It's called logical thinking. Cutting and pasting parts of the bible doesn't mean you you really comprehend the message of the bible.

In case you don't understand my reasoning for cut and paste, it's to present to you what has been said clearly in the Bible and also I don't what to be misquoting the Bible. All the answers are there in the Bible, I don't need to rely on my own thought process if it's already there in the Word of God.

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

Kaz , is it against Islam for a Muslim to marry a Hindu.

Where did I claim to be a religious hack? I live by the laws of reason above all others.

I ask your opinion since you have made several quote from the Quran on this forum.

You debating a man about his religious value. What is yours in Islam .

 

Imran posted:
ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

Kaz , is it against Islam for a Muslim to marry a Hindu.

Where did I claim to be a religious hack? I live by the laws of reason above all others.

I ask your opinion since you have made several quote from the Quran on this forum.

You debating a man about his religious value. What is yours in Islam .

 

I am not debating Keith because of his religious values. I am pointing out inconsistencies in the Bible and statements he posted about it. It being the Bible. I have no problem with what people choose to believe. However, when Keith make statements like "this is the absolute truth" then he has stepped away from stating what he believes and making a statement that we all should accept as true.

i haven't introduced Islam into this topic because I doubt Keith care to discuss and I have no intention to either. If you wish you can have a conversation with yourself about it.

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:
ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

Kaz , is it against Islam for a Muslim to marry a Hindu.

Where did I claim to be a religious hack? I live by the laws of reason above all others.

I ask your opinion since you have made several quote from the Quran on this forum.

You debating a man about his religious value. What is yours in Islam .

 

I am not debating Keith because of his religious values. I am pointing out inconsistencies in the Bible and statements he posted about it. It being the Bible. I have no problem with what people choose to believe. However, when Keith make statements like "this is the absolute truth" then he has stepped away from stating what he believes and making a statement that we all should accept as true.

i haven't introduced Islam into this topic because I doubt Keith care to discuss and I have no intention to either. If you wish you can have a conversation with yourself about it.

And the inconsistencies you thought you find were not inconsistencies. I have provided references to contest your thought. 

There are outlandish statements you made about the Bible which are too many to mention and you cannot show me to this date evidence of where in the Bible it's. There were few scriptures you challenged me on due to your misunderstanding and again and again I urge you to read the scriptures in its entirety, nip picking will cause you look foolish especially on a subject you have little understanding of.

Showing Agape Love

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Divine love empowers us to respond calmly to difficulties, demonstrate patience in seasons of waiting, and sacrifice without complaint. We offer God’s love when we can:

Forgive others. The son wasted his money in riotous living and discovered both the empty promises and destructive quality of sin. Upon the boy’s return, his father forgave him completely. Love made it possible to wipe away the past (Ps. 103:12).

Act generously. The son, having just fed pigs, arrived at his father’s estate with few expectations. The forgiving dad greeted him most warmly and dressed him in the finest garments. Godly love, which keeps no record of wrongs, enabled the father to show generosity.

Serve joyfully. What a celebration the father had upon the prodigal’s return! His joy in his lost son’s homecoming overflowed to others. Love expresses itself in willing service.

Restore those who fall. The one who both abandoned his father and squandered his inheritance was again given full rights as a son.

When we mess up, our heavenly Father patiently waits for us to turn back to Him. He accepts our repentance, rejoices in our return, and restores intimacy with Him. The elder brother in this parable missed the point because of his self-righteous attitude (1 John 1:8). He didn’t recognize his mistakes or the many times his father had shown him love and forgiveness.

God calls us to a lifestyle of agape love. To whom could you extend the divine love that forgives, restores, and serves with generosity and joy?

Dude. You claimed that you are not a priest nor a Bible scholar but rather someone who rely on other peoples' writings. There are real Bible scholars who support my citations re the inconsistencies in the Bible. You have not provided anything to dispute my arguments. If anything, the passages you cited solidify my argument because they contradict the ones I cited which is what I have been arguing from some of my earliest posts to you. I was going to respond in detail but my internet browser was acting up last night. I will get back to it but for now I will say that your responses were inadequate.

Keith posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Religion is the source of all the world's problems. Skeldon_man is not gullible to believe everything he reads. He has a mind of his own and does analyze what he hears or reads. It's called logical thinking. Cutting and pasting parts of the bible doesn't mean you you really comprehend the message of the bible.

In case you don't understand my reasoning for cut and paste, it's to present to you what has been said clearly in the Bible and also I don't what to be misquoting the Bible. All the answers are there in the Bible, I don't need to rely on my own thought process if it's already there in the Word of God.

Very sad indeed. Keith, you are like sheep following sheep. All the answers are in the bible for the Christians(lazy non thinkers)! I am glad my parents were not Christians. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

skeldon_man posted:
Keith posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Religion is the source of all the world's problems. Skeldon_man is not gullible to believe everything he reads. He has a mind of his own and does analyze what he hears or reads. It's called logical thinking. Cutting and pasting parts of the bible doesn't mean you you really comprehend the message of the bible.

In case you don't understand my reasoning for cut and paste, it's to present to you what has been said clearly in the Bible and also I don't what to be misquoting the Bible. All the answers are there in the Bible, I don't need to rely on my own thought process if it's already there in the Word of God.

Very sad indeed. Keith, you are like sheep following sheep. All the answers are in the bible for the Christians(lazy non thinkers)! I am glad my parents were not Christians. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Oh my here we go, happy to be a sheep following a sheep leading by our good shepherd. I am glad it was not an ass I am following 

Here is what the word of God said, so pay attention as to why I make the statement highlighted above. Why add to the Elohim, El Elyon, El Shaddai and Omniscience God words?

Read:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Revelation 22:18-19 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


You think I would disobey and allow what has been written to come upon me? No!, I choose to be obedient to His word/command.

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ksazma posted:

Dude. You claimed that you are not a priest nor a Bible scholar but rather someone who rely on other peoples' writings. There are real Bible scholars who support my citations re the inconsistencies in the Bible. You have not provided anything to dispute my arguments. If anything, the passages you cited solidify my argument because they contradict the ones I cited which is what I have been arguing from some of my earliest posts to you. I was going to respond in detail but my internet browser was acting up last night. I will get back to it but for now I will say that your responses were inadequate.

Absolutely right I'm not a Bible teacher nor a scholar. If you think your argument are not being disputed then you are not reading the reply post or has a failure to comprehend but then again it's the nature of who you are isn't it? When present with the fact you fold and divert. Go back and look at your pattern of what you publish in this thread.

Day one since you came on my post you have been looking for small or unimportant errors or faults, especially in order to criticize unnecessarily WITHOUT even READING the Bible chapter/scriptures in its entirety, you have failed miserable with your intent.

I have wasted valuable times in the morning answering your misguided questions. Remember I didn't come here attacking anyone, I was exercising my first amendment. I think it's time you start answering a few questions concerning your creed but not at this minute, in due time.

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How We Respond to a Storm

2 Chronicles 20:12

If you’ve ever experienced a storm when around other people, you know not everyone responds the same way.

Picture a backyard party where all the guests are having fun, but then the wind picks up. The temperature drops, the sky darkens, and the scent of rain is in the air. Everyone scrambles to grab something and head indoors. Just as the last person rushes in with the potato salad, the skies let go. Inside, people gather into clusters. One group stands at the window, oohing and aahing at the thunder and lightning outside. On the couch, others hug each other or cover their ears; a few jump and shudder with every boom. Another group, chatting away, seems completely oblivious to the weather. Isn’t this a picture of how people react differently to the storms of life?

When it comes to the upheavals we face, our varied responses can have a significant impact down the road. Some people respond in a healthy way and emerge stronger, while others are broken by the challenge.

What accounts for the difference in our response is our view of God. If we see Him as our loving heavenly Father, we’ll understand He has the best possible plan for our life, even if the path is, for a time, through troubled waters. But if we consider Him an obstruction to the goals we’ve set for ourselves, we could miss out on the blessings He has in mind for us.

Storms are unavoidable in life. When one comes your way, the wisest thing you can do is to cry out to Jesus. Won’t you choose to respond with an attitude of trust in the Lord and submission to His way?

-In Touch Ministries-

I don't know what creed you are talking about dude. Did I start a topic propagating some creed? Suddenly the passages I questioned are small and unimportant? Jesus calling people who are not Jewish pigs, dogs, pricks, swine, etc. are small and unimportant? For your information, that is called bigotry to say the least.

You may post other passages that contradict those passages but they don't eliminate them. Just like you have a first amendment right, so do others. It would have been more ingenious if you had addressed the passages I commented on instead of diverting to other ones. It is your topic and what you want to propagate so it is your burden not mine.