Perhaps you missed where Keith stated that it was not a sermon. Therefore dissent should not be unexpected. As I mentioned earlier, education is a useful tool. Learn to appreciate it instead of getting bent out of shape because you can't handle the facts.

Imran posted:
 
 

Since the cap fits you by your admittance and you speaking of education ( Mr know all) you should broaden you knowledge on "education " since the subject of discussion is about God . And you would expect a more somber discussion .

The aggressive tone of your response compare to Keith , speaks for itself especially where religion is concern . 

 

 

You obviously don't know how God speaks so I can understand your haplessness. What is this expectation of a more somber discussion? Haven't you read where God promises people that their end would be of fire and brimstones? Haven't you read some of God's own words which I just repost? Here is how God speaks;

Ezekiel 23King James Version (KJV)

23 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

12 She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

13 Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

14 And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.

25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.

27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

28 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

31 Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

32 Thus saith the Lord God; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

33 Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

34 Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

35 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

36 The Lord said moreover unto me; Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;

37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.

40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

41 And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil.

42 And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

43 Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

46 For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

48 Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

 

 

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:
 
 

Since the cap fits you by your admittance and you speaking of education ( Mr know all) you should broaden you knowledge on "education " since the subject of discussion is about God . And you would expect a more somber discussion .

The aggressive tone of your response compare to Keith , speaks for itself especially where religion is concern . 

 

 

You obviously don't know how God speaks so I can understand your haplessness. What is this expectation of a more somber discussion? Haven't you read where God promises people that their end would be of fire and brimstones? Haven't you read some of God's own words which I just repost? Here is how God speaks;

Ezekiel 23King James Version (KJV)

23 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

12 She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

13 Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

14 And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.

25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.

27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

28 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

31 Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

32 Thus saith the Lord God; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

33 Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

34 Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

35 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

36 The Lord said moreover unto me; Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;

37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.

40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

41 And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil.

42 And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

43 Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

46 For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

48 Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

 

 

Dude I know who you are,  you have no idea who I am .

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this . 

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion. 

So chill out. I am done with you. 

Continue the discussion with Keith. 

BTW I am not a Christian . 

Imran posted:

 

 

Dude I know who you are,  you have no idea who I am .

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this . 

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion. 

So chill out. I am done with you. 

Continue the discussion with Keith. 

BTW I am not a Christian . 

Do you really think I care if you know who I am or not or whether I know who you are or not? The only thing that matters here is if you have anything to add to the discussion and so far all you have really done is chase Chief around making some posters say that it looks like you are looking for lar. What happened? God's words posted above too much for you to handle so you ducked out?

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

 

 

Dude I know who you are,  you have no idea who I am .

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this . 

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion. 

So chill out. I am done with you. 

Continue the discussion with Keith. 

BTW I am not a Christian . 

Do you really think I care if you know who I am or not or whether I know who you are or not? The only thing that matters here is if you have anything to add to the discussion and so far all you have really done is chase Chief around making some posters say that it looks like you are looking for lar. What happened? God's words posted above too much for you to handle so you ducked out?

"Ass hole "I don't debate religion but I believe discussion of Gods name should be done in a friendly atmosphere.

but on second thought you are a " FULL A MAN "  

you are not worth my time for discussion.

 

Imran posted:
 

"Ass hole "I don't debate religion but I believe discussion of Gods name should be done in a friendly atmosphere.

but on second thought you are a " FULL A MAN "  

you are not worth my time for discussion.

 

I wasn't even trying to provoke but your reaction above proves that you have no control of your emotions. I don't know why you would delude yourself by thinking that I care to have a discussion with you. I have yet to see something from your statements that interests me. Now gwan suh.

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

 

 

Dude I know who you are,  you have no idea who I am .

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this . 

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion. 

So chill out. I am done with you. 

Continue the discussion with Keith. 

BTW I am not a Christian . 

Do you really think I care if you know who I am or not or whether I know who you are or not? The only thing that matters here is if you have anything to add to the discussion and so far all you have really done is chase Chief around making some posters say that it looks like you are looking for lar. What happened? God's words posted above too much for you to handle so you ducked out?

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this .

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion.

ksazma posted:

Maybe it was the mention of lar that got you bazeedee.

Jackass go play with your self 

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this .

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion.

Imran posted:
ksazma posted:

Maybe it was the mention of lar that got you bazeedee.

Jackass go play with your self 

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this .

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion.

Didn't take long for you to have a mental meltdown. Can't handle the heat eh?

The Cost of Running From God

Jonah 4:9-11

You would think a life-threatening sea storm and a few days in a fish’s belly would shake some sense into a person. Yet that wasn’t the case with Jonah. The final paragraphs of his story reveal a vengeful prophet who ostensibly obeyed the Lord but allowed his heart to remain on the run.

Jonah paid a financial price for running from God—his ticket to Tarshish (Jonah 1:3). And any Sunday school student can tell you the physical consequences he endured. But when those events were long past, Jonah still grappled with the spiritual cost of his flight. His peace and joy were gone. In their place was bitterness so strong that he begged God for the relief that death would bring.

As believers, we cannot disobey the Lord without paying a price. Certainly our spiritual life weakens. The skills and abilities God has bestowed on us will atrophy from lack of use while we waste time fleeing. And our actions could also have negative consequences in other areas, such as our family, finances, and health.

Perhaps you have a habit, a plan, or a current course of action that you know defies God’s will. Have you considered the cost? Though Satan may try to convince you otherwise, there are consequences for wrongdoing. The Lord is holy and righteous, and allowing people to get away with sin is simply incompatible with those attributes. What’s more, the price for following your own will is high. Just look at how miserable Jonah was because of the choices he made. The reward for obeying God is much more pleasing.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

 

2 Timothy 1:1-11

Do you feel yourself growing cold toward the Lord? As His children, we can never lose our salvation, but it is possible for our spiritual passion to cool.

Today’s passage reveals that even Timothy experienced a decrease in his excitement for God. That’s why Paul wrote to him, encouraging the young pastor at Ephesus to fan the flame of his faith.

 

Interesting that Paul is here encouraging Timothy to fan the flame of his faith when even Jesus had serious issues with Paul as demonstrated in the following passage from Acts 26:14-15

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

I have also made a few other observation from the preceding passage. I once mentioned that the so-called God Jesus didn't know the season for fig fruits. From the above, he seem to not know that Paul's name is not Saul as he called him Saul twice in that passage. Secondly, here Gentle Jesus is calling people pricks. Similar to how he calls people dogs, swine, pigs, etc. Last, but not necessarily least is that Paul was not Jesus' friend. He was his enemy. He also wrote more than half the number of books of the New Testament. 14 of the 27 books. This idea of Christianity did not come from Jesus. It came from Paul in collusion with Italy and Greece. That explains why it is similar to Mithraism.

Understand the passage you are quoting, this was Saul a zealous Pharisee who intensely persecuted the followers of Jesus, he then became know as Paul and is regarded as one of the greatest apostle. Understand who was Saul before you understand the man Paul. Read the book of Acts.

Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul. Some kind of God Jesus is. There are two years old kids who had better knowledge than this Jesus dude,

I will say it again, read the book of Acts and as an added bonus read Romans. Is it so hard for you to comprehend?

"...I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children" Matthew 11:25.

ksazma posted:

Perhaps you missed where Keith stated that it was not a sermon. Therefore dissent should not be unexpected. As I mentioned earlier, education is a useful tool. Learn to appreciate it instead of getting bent out of shape because you can't handle the facts.

Hey now you were the one that turned this into a sermon You asked and challenged me on several occasions so my response had to get lengthy my friend.

You guys need to behave and respect each other, show some love, it conqueror everything. Have a great day.

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:
 
 

Since the cap fits you by your admittance and you speaking of education ( Mr know all) you should broaden you knowledge on "education " since the subject of discussion is about God . And you would expect a more somber discussion .

The aggressive tone of your response compare to Keith , speaks for itself especially where religion is concern . 

 

 

You obviously don't know how God speaks so I can understand your haplessness. What is this expectation of a more somber discussion? Haven't you read where God promises people that their end would be of fire and brimstones? Haven't you read some of God's own words which I just repost? Here is how God speaks;

Ezekiel 23King James Version (KJV)

23 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

12 She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

13 Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

14 And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.

25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.

27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

28 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

31 Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

32 Thus saith the Lord God; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

33 Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

34 Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

35 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

36 The Lord said moreover unto me; Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;

37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.

40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

41 And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil.

42 And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

43 Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

46 For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

48 Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

 

 

ksazma could you interpret the book of Ezekiel 23 for us? What is it talking about? I am waiting to be enlighten.

How can you with a straight face say that I caused it to turn into a sermon when you spent the first few pages basically just posting sermons from some other person or church. In fact one of my earliest post pointed out to you that what you were doing was actually a sermon. Reality is key.

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:
ksazma posted:

Maybe it was the mention of lar that got you bazeedee.

Jackass go play with your self 

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this .

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion.

Didn't take long for you to have a mental meltdown. Can't handle the heat eh?

You are a moron. I am not the one to have a emotional breakdown, I will torment your ass for your stupidity.

i simply comment about your tone in responding to Keith .

Keith you are the winner on this discussion 

"Go Keith Go "

and pray for our brother 

 

Dude, you started this topic to propagate your faith. My right is to point out my disagreement. It is your burden to clarify my comments which you have not done. It would be refreshing to have your response in your own words. Just like my comments are in my own words.

ksazma posted:

I have no idea what me reading Acts and Romans have to do with my observation above. Did Jesus said those things, yes or no?

Secondly, who was Jonas vengeful to and how?

The reason is because of statement such as this...

Quote by ksazma: "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"

The response above in quote is the type you will get from an unlearned and misguided individual who is arrogant and shows no willing to learn and understand. No tell me, you are not such a person are you?

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

I have no idea what me reading Acts and Romans have to do with my observation above. Did Jesus said those things, yes or no?

Secondly, who was Jonas vengeful to and how?

The reason is because of statement such as this...

Quote by ksazma: "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"

The response above in quote is the type you will get from an unlearned and misguided individual who is arrogant and shows no willing to learn and understand. No tell me, you are not such a person are you?

Perhaps you are incorrect in your assessment and it is actually you who is unwilling to accept reality. I am not interested in the smokescreens given by church leaders. That is for people unwilling to be logical. 

ksazma posted:

If you had any sense Imran, you would go into hiding because with every subsequent post you are looking more infringed.

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this .

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion.

ksazma posted:

Any new material Imran? Or are you struggling through your infringed mental condition?

you are a crab with big mouth... you have a personality attitude and I am not the first to tell you this .

People with your mentality and attitude is why Islam has been broadside a hate religion.

ksazma posted:

Did Jesus address Paul as Saul, yes or no?

Simple yes or no answer please.

Answer: Yes, Jesus addressed Saul who is now Paul, as we can clearly see in the passage below.

Act 9:3-5:: And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Now your foolish response/question was, as I quote,
======================================== ===== "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"
======================================== =====
Where is your evidence to back up what you are saying? Show me, please

ksazma posted:

How can you with a straight face say that I caused it to turn into a sermon when you spent the first few pages basically just posting sermons from some other person or church. In fact one of my earliest post pointed out to you that what you were doing was actually a sermon. Reality is key.

Would you like to see a sermon length? Why bother, you just don't know what you are talking about. What I have been posting are "daily devotions" from InTouch ministries. Daily devotions is a phrase used to denote the discipline of Bible reading and prayer with which many of us Christians start or end our day. Now a sermon, it's a discourse upon a text of scriptures or we can say it's a lecture. I am sure you sat through many lectures in your college/university days and is it not true it's quite longer than what I post?

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Did Jesus address Paul as Saul, yes or no?

Simple yes or no answer please.

Answer: Yes, Jesus addressed Saul who is now Paul, as we can clearly see in the passage below.

Act 9:3-5:: And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Now your foolish response/question was, as I quote,
======================================== ===== "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"
======================================== =====
Where is your evidence to back up what you are saying? Show me, please

Why would Jesus call Paul Saul?

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

How can you with a straight face say that I caused it to turn into a sermon when you spent the first few pages basically just posting sermons from some other person or church. In fact one of my earliest post pointed out to you that what you were doing was actually a sermon. Reality is key.

Would you like to see a sermon length? Why bother, you just don't know what you are talking about. What I have been posting are "daily devotions" from InTouch ministries. Daily devotions is a phrase used to denote the discipline of Bible reading and prayer with which many of us Christians start or end our day. Now a sermon, it's a discourse upon a text of scriptures or we can say it's a lecture. I am sure you sat through many lectures in your college/university days and is it not true it's quite longer than what I post?

Dude, discourse is dialogue between people not one person talking and everyone else listening. What you are posting are sermons. Where is it written that sermons have to be of a certain length?

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Did Jesus address Paul as Saul, yes or no?

Simple yes or no answer please.

Answer: Yes, Jesus addressed Saul who is now Paul, as we can clearly see in the passage below.

Act 9:3-5:: And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Now your foolish response/question was, as I quote,
======================================== ===== "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"
======================================== =====
Where is your evidence to back up what you are saying? Show me, please

Why would Jesus call Paul Saul?

Your question really don't deserve an answer. Jesus called Paul by his Hebrew name, "Saul". At the time of Saul’s conversion, Jesus still addressed him as Saul. Later, Jesus told Ananias to find Saul in Damascus and restore his sight. Acts 9 goes on to describe Saul as increasing in spiritual strength and understanding of Jesus as the Messiah. So, here a shocker for you, it was not Jesus who changed his name on the road to Damascus, Saul’s name was also Paul. The custom of dual names was common in those days. Acts 13:9 describes the apostle as Saul, who was also called Paul. From Acts 13:9 and on, Saul is always referred to in Scripture as Paul.

NOW! answer my question, I posed a question to you that need to be answer. In case you lost it. Your response/question was, as I quote,
======================================== ===== "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"
======================================== =====
Where is your evidence to back up what you are saying? Show me, please

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Did Jesus address Paul as Saul, yes or no?

Simple yes or no answer please.

Answer: Yes, Jesus addressed Saul who is now Paul, as we can clearly see in the passage below.

Act 9:3-5:: And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Now your foolish response/question was, as I quote,
======================================== ===== "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"
======================================== =====
Where is your evidence to back up what you are saying? Show me, please

Why would Jesus call Paul Saul?

Just answer my question, I posed a question to you that need to be answer. In case you lost it.

Your response/question was, as I quote,
======================================== ===== "Somehow even after Saul changed his name to Paul so he can hide who he was and deceive others, Jesus still didn't know that the scoundrel Saul had changed his name to Paul"
======================================== =====
Where is your evidence to back up what you are saying? Show me, please

That is my conclusion from the same passage. Now, why did Jesus call Paul Saul?

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
 

That is my conclusion from the same passage. Now, why did Jesus call Paul Saul?

Read the post above.....still waiting to see evidence to back up your statement.

Do you ever make independent conclusions or are all your beliefs fed to you. Think dude. Jesus didn't like Paul because Paul was a scoundrel during Jesus' time. Jesus accused Paul of persecuting him. So Paul changed his name and placed himself in that slot that Jesus reserved for Judas. Now every Christian is taking their guidance from Paul and not doing what Jesus advice people to do.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
 

That is my conclusion from the same passage. Now, why did Jesus call Paul Saul?

Read the post above.....still waiting to see evidence to back up your statement.

Do you ever make independent conclusions or are all your beliefs fed to you. Think dude. Jesus didn't like Paul because Paul was a scoundrel during Jesus' time. Jesus accused Paul of persecuting him. So Paul changed his name and placed himself in that slot that Jesus reserved for Judas. Now every Christian is taking their guidance from Paul and not doing what Jesus advice people to do.

Folks take note, this is what happens when people like ksazma choose to nip pick verses out of the Bible to support their ideology. I always stress time and again in my post that you have to read the scriptures or book in its entirety to follow what being said so you can have an understanding of what you choose to nip pick at.

Do you know how foolish your statement is ksazma?

Your quote, "Jesus didn't like Paul because Paul was a scoundrel during Jesus' time"

Where in the scriptures are evidence to support what you are saying? Do you have a phobia of reading? Just pick up the Bible and READ man is it that hard to understand.

In a nutshell Saul a.k.a Paul was persecuting Christians with a zeal thinking what he was doing was right. After his encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, the Lord used him with that same zeal and he become one of the greatest apostle of them all.

No Excuses

Jonah 1:1-17

Jonah fled toward Tarshish to escape God’s plan. The prophet mistakenly thought that ignoring a divine command would cause the Lord to withdraw or change it. Instead, God repeatedly and dramatically intervened in Jonah’s life until the man submitted.

Jonah believed he had good reason to be reluctant. The Ninevites were a bloodthirsty people determined to conquer Israel. So walking across the city while crying, “Nineveh will be overthrown” was a frightening prospect. And, as the prophet later revealed, he worried that God would spare the city if the people repented (Jonah 4:2). Jonah wanted them destroyed! Therefore, his reasons for fleeing seemed right in his own eyes. But God was not deterred.

There’s simply no adequate justification for rebellion. It’s not uncommon for people running from God’s will to use this six-word phrase: “I know what God says, but ...” I can tell you with absolute certainty that everything on the other side of “but” is a waste of time. The Lord isn’t interested in excuses or selfish ambitions. He desires only obedience. He has reasons for asking a believer to take a specific action, and His purposes are always good. Consider the amazing benefit to Jonah and his countrymen if their enemy Nineveh became an ally that worshipped the same God.

The Lord doesn’t change His plan to suit our purpose. Rather, He’ll use events, people, and the prompting of the Holy Spirit to move us into the center of His will. For your own benefit, go willingly. You may not like the task God assigns, but if He wants it done, then it must be worthwhile.

Jesus ministry lasted 3 years from when he was 30 to 33 years old. During that time Paul was not part of Jesus' chosen few. Then after Jesus was no longer around Paul said that Jesus met him on the road to Damascus and even though he was not around anymore he still reminded Paul that Paul persecutes him. Now if while and after Jesus was here Paul was still seen as persecuting him, what part of Paul being a scoundrel is so difficult to understand? Perhaps it is necessary to take Paul's side instead of Jesus' because they are not the same side. Isn't everything cited in my comment here from the Bible?

ksazma posted:
Imran posted:

I see he gone in hiding. 

Thanks for identifying these barefaced propagandist.

"Go Keith Go "

Have a bless day.

I know you enjoy me kicking your ass but I have grown bored of it so gwan suh.

Stop imagine stuff .. Keith is KICKING your ass banna.

 

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