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Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Question for those who talk to God. We read that God created Adam and from him created Eve. Through the process of sex,  Adam and Eve got Cain and Abel. Cain then killed Abel. If all births after the creation of Adam and Eve with the exception of Jesus were through the process of sex, how did the world population continued beyond Adam, Eve and Cain?

Read the Bible you will find your answer. Why don't you tell us what your Quran said about how the earth was populated?

By the way, I notice you and your pupil is very tight lip about this pass Sunday series on CNN, "Finding Jesus", How was the show? Did they find him?

Sounds like you are not interested in giving your view. That is fine since no one is obligated to answer any questions they don't care to. In that case, I will wait on Siggy's commentary before I give my opinion.

But about the CNN episode last Sunday, I am surprised that you think I was tight lipped about it when I give a very long commentary on page.

Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Terribly weak argument. The sun is a physical object that people can see. Can you see God and point him out to the next person you come into contact with? For your information, it is more reasonable for someone to argue that God does not exist than for someone to argue that God does. That is because that person can easily demonstrate the absence of God in a room while you cannot demonstrate the presence of God in that room. All you have is belief. Don't embarrass yourself by asking for proof of God because you cannot ever prove it.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Terribly weak argument. The sun is a physical object that people can see. Can you see God and point him out to the next person you come into contact with? For your information, it is more reasonable for someone to argue that God does not exist than for someone to argue that God does. That is because that person can easily demonstrate the absence of God in a room while you cannot demonstrate the presence of God in that room. All you have is belief. Don't embarrass yourself by asking for proof of God because you cannot ever prove it.

No surprise here, you see it as weak due to your inability to comprehend reasoning. 

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Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Terribly weak argument. The sun is a physical object that people can see. Can you see God and point him out to the next person you come into contact with? For your information, it is more reasonable for someone to argue that God does not exist than for someone to argue that God does. That is because that person can easily demonstrate the absence of God in a room while you cannot demonstrate the presence of God in that room. All you have is belief. Don't embarrass yourself by asking for proof of God because you cannot ever prove it.

No surprise here, you see it as weak due to your inability to comprehend reasoning. 

I do know how you can put this to rest though. You can post a photo of God holding today's New York Times. This way we will know that it is a current photo of God. This website does allow photo upload.

Damn. It is nearly 30 minutes and God hasn't shown up so Bro. Keith can take that photo of him. And they say God is there when you call on him. Even OJ killed two people in 3 minutes.

Over one hour now and counting ......... No photo of God.

So what was that cry again? 

"Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended,

Maybe God doesn't like the New York Times. Maybe he thinks it is fake news. I am not picky. He can chose any publication from today. I would even settle for Brietbart News even though I don't care for the. Just want Bro. Keith to post a photo of God holding any current dated newspaper to show that he does exist. Hey even James Bond does it and he is just a mere human being.

This is troubling. Not only is God non-existent. Looks like Bro. Keith has also become non-existent. Wonder who will show up first. We will then be able to see who has more ability to show up first, Bro. Keith or God.

GQ S. Michael wrote the following entitled, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’”

Both Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 read, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” We as Christian take these verses to mean that atheists are stupid, i.e., lacking intelligence. However, that is not the only meaning of the Hebrew word translated “fool.” In this text, the Hebrew word is nabal, which often refers to an impious person who has no perception of ethical or religious truth. The meaning of the text is not “unintelligent people do not believe in God.” Rather, the meaning of the text is “sinful people do not believe in God.” In other words, it is a wicked thing to deny God, and a denial of God is often accompanied by a wicked lifestyle. The verse goes on to list some other characteristics of the irreligious: “They are corrupt; their deeds are vile;  or there is no one who does good.” Psalm 14 is a study on the universal depravity of mankind.

It's not intelligence, or a lack thereof, that leads a person to reject belief in God. It is a lack of righteousness that leads a person to reject belief in God. Many people do not object to the idea of a Creator, as long as that Creator minds His own business and leaves them alone. What people reject is the idea of a Creator who demands morality from His creation. Rather than struggle against a guilty conscience, some people reject the idea of God altogether. Psalm 14:1 calls this type of person a “fool.”

Psalm 14:1 says that denying God’s existence is commonly based on a desire to lead a wicked life. Several prominent atheists have admitted the truth of this. Some, such as author Aldous Huxley, have openly admitted that a desire to avoid moral restraints was a motivation for their disbelief:

“I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” ― Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means

Belief in a divine Being is accompanied by a sense of accountability to that Being. So, to escape the condemnation of conscience, which itself was created by God, some simply deny the existence of God. They tell themselves, “There is no overseer of the world. There is no Judgment Day. I can live as I please.” The moral pull of the conscience is thus more easily ignored.

Trying to convince oneself there is no God is unwise. The point of “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” is that it is an impious, sinful heart that will deny God. The atheist’s denial flies in the face of much evidence to the contrary, including his own conscience and the universe he lives in.

A lack of evidence of God’s existence is not the true reason atheists reject a belief in God. Their rejection is due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints God requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints. “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them so that people are without excuse. Their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their heart. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie” (Romans 1:18–25).

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Forward by Faith

Genesis 12:1-9

Faith can be lulled to sleep when we are focused on our own comfort rather than God’s plan. Abraham did not fall into this trap. He traded the familiar for the unknown and received many blessings.

Living by faith is the right answer when God calls you to move forward. His call can come to us at any age and in any situation. Abraham was 75 when he began his journey. David was a shepherd boy when he was anointed to be king (1 Samuel 16:11-13). Paul encountered the Lord on his way to arrest Jewish believers in Damascus; after his conversion, he became the Lord’s representative to the Gentiles (Acts 9:1-6; Acts 22:21). Our call may not be so dramatic, but it will always involve moving forward by faith.

Following God will also include times of testing. Abraham, like all of us, had some successes and some failures. The initial call to leave his country was met with strong belief and immediate action. As a result, the Lord promised a great blessing for him and his descendants. But encountering a famine brought a different response from Abraham—a sojourn to Egypt, deception about his relationship with Sarah, and chastisement from Pharaoh. Our response to God’s commands really matters. Through our actions, we can bring blessing or heartache.

Obeying the Lord can be uncomfortable. Those close to us may question our motives or disagree with our decisions. And we may not want to do what God asks. But faith will keep us moving forward in obedience. It helps us stay the course and experience the blessings found in a relationship with Christ.

What is it with these Bible followers always calling people demeaning names? This S. Michael dude calling people fools. I shouldn't be surprised given that their hero Jesus regularly called people demeaning names.

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

The Effectiveness of Prayer

James 5:16-18

When you face a problem, is prayer your first response, or do you spring into action mode? God works powerfully through prayer, yet too often we look at it as a last resort: After we are at the end of our rope, then we start praying.

Using the example of Elijah, James reminds us what the effective prayer of a righteous person can accomplish. In today’s passage, the subject is healing, but that’s not the only prayer God will answer. Every aspect of life can be impacted by the power of prayer.

Temptation. Jesus told His disciples, “Keep watching and praying that you may not come into temptation” (Mark 14:38).

Praise. After being beaten and thrown into prison, Paul and Silas prayed and praised God, even in the midst of their pain (Acts 16:25).

Spiritual Warfare. Paul teaches us to access God’s power by “pray[ing] without ceasing” (1 Thess. 5:17).

Anxiety. We aren’t at the mercy of fear if we pray about everything (Phil. 4:6).

Transformation. When we pray according to God’s desires, He transforms our mind, attitudes, character, and actions (Col. 1:9-12).

Witness. Through prayer, we ask that the Lord open doors for us to spread His Word (2 Thess. 3:1).

Protection. God is faithful to answer requests that He strengthen and protect us from the evil one (2 Thess. 3:2-3).

The next time you face a challenging situation, remember that prayer is more powerful than all your self-efforts. Pray, and watch God work.

-In Touch Ministries-

ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

ksazma posted:
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

All along I did not believe about this Adam and Eve story. I think it's a far fetched story. Like the Bible, this too is a STORY.

skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

All along I did not believe about this Adam and Eve story. I think it's a far fetched story. Like the Bible, this too is a STORY.

There is a theory that Genesis was stolen from the Babylonians.

antabanta posted:
 

There is a theory that Genesis was stolen from the Babylonians.

Plausible. Especially in light of the following passages. Below are the verbatim copy of 2 Kings 19 and Isaiah 37 claimed to be written centuries apart by two different writers. 100% plagiarism.

 

2 Kings 19 King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

And he sent Eliakim, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

It may be the Lord thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.

So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say to your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words which thou hast heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.

So Rabshakeh returned, and found the king of Assyria warring against Libnah: for he had heard that he was departed from Lachish.

And when he heard say of Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, Behold, he is come out to fight against thee: he sent messengers again unto Hezekiah, saying,

10 Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God in whom thou trustest deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

11 Behold, thou hast heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands, by destroying them utterly: and shalt thou be delivered?

12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed; as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Thelasar?

13 Where is the king of Hamath, and the king of Arpad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, of Hena, and Ivah?

14 And Hezekiah received the letter of the hand of the messengers, and read it: and Hezekiah went up into the house of the Lord, and spread it before the Lord.

15 And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord, and said, O Lord God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

16 Lord, bow down thine ear, and hear: open, Lord, thine eyes, and see: and hear the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent him to reproach the living God.

17 Of a truth, Lord, the kings of Assyria have destroyed the nations and their lands,

18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

19 Now therefore, O Lord our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord God, even thou only.

20 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, That which thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria I have heard.

21 This is the word that the Lord hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the daughter of Zion hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

22 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.

23 By thy messengers thou hast reproached the Lord, and hast said, With the multitude of my chariots I am come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon, and will cut down the tall cedar trees thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the lodgings of his borders, and into the forest of his Carmel.

24 I have digged and drunk strange waters, and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of besieged places.

25 Hast thou not heard long ago how I have done it, and of ancient times that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste fenced cities into ruinous heaps.

26 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded; they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the house tops, and as corn blasted before it be grown up.

27 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.

28 Because thy rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

29 And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such things as grow of themselves, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruits thereof.

30 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.

31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead. King James Version (KJV)

 

Isaiah 37 King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

And he sent Eliakim, who was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests covered with sackcloth, unto Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

It may be the Lord thy God will hear the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God, and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that is left.

So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say unto your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words that thou hast heard, wherewith the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.

So Rabshakeh returned, and found the king of Assyria warring against Libnah: for he had heard that he was departed from Lachish.

And he heard say concerning Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, He is come forth to make war with thee. And when he heard it, he sent messengers to Hezekiah, saying,

10 Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God, in whom thou trustest, deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.

11 Behold, thou hast heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands by destroying them utterly; and shalt thou be delivered?

12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Telassar?

13 Where is the king of Hamath, and the king of Arphad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivah?

14 And Hezekiah received the letter from the hand of the messengers, and read it: and Hezekiah went up unto the house of the Lord, and spread it before the Lord.

15 And Hezekiah prayed unto the Lord, saying,

16 O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

17 Incline thine ear, O Lord, and hear; open thine eyes, O Lord, and see: and hear all the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent to reproach the living God.

18 Of a truth, Lord, the kings of Assyria have laid waste all the nations, and their countries,

19 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

20 Now therefore, O Lord our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord, even thou only.

21 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent unto Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Whereas thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria:

22 This is the word which the Lord hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter of Zion, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

23 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.

24 By thy servants hast thou reproached the Lord, and hast said, By the multitude of my chariots am I come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon; and I will cut down the tall cedars thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the height of his border, and the forest of his Carmel.

25 I have digged, and drunk water; and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of the besieged places.

26 Hast thou not heard long ago, how I have done it; and of ancient times, that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste defenced cities into ruinous heaps.

27 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded: they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the housetops, and as corn blasted before it be grown up.

28 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.

29 Because thy rage against me, and thy tumult, is come up into mine ears, therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

30 And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such as groweth of itself; and the second year that which springeth of the same: and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruit thereof.

31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:

32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

33 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shields, nor cast a bank against it.

34 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

35 For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

36 Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

37 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

38 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Armenia: and Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead. King James Version (KJV)

 
 
 
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cain posted:

Ahhhh..ha,  check out

2 Kings 19:26 and Isaiah 37:27..they speak of da green "erb..Irie man!

Now Iman understan where Rastas got the message from.

Ahhhh! Now you think you will go to heaven and still enjoy the "finer" things in life.