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Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

By the way, does the Bible state that Ishmael ceases to be Abraham's child just because they are not in the same place? So how can Isaac be Abraham's ONLY son at the time that stupid command was given to Abraham?

The Value of God’s Word

2 Timothy 3:14-17

From the opening verse of Genesis to the final words of Revelation, Scripture is divinely inspired; every word has purpose. In today’s passage, we are told that the sacred writings are “profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be ... equipped for every good work.” In other words, they offer preparation for whatever we will face in life (2 Tim. 3:16-17). No other book holds such value for living.

The Old Testament introduces us to God’s nature, ways, and power; it lays the foundation for us to understand the Lord’s holiness and humanity’s desperate need for a Savior. The New Testament explains that Jesus sacrificially became our “bridge” to the Father (John 14:6). Its writings clarify why we must trust Christ for salvation, how to live as God’s children, and what to expect in this life and after death.

Ephesians 6:13-17 compares the Word to armor, and for good reason: In the battle of life, we have a real enemy who wants to destroy us. But God’s power is greater (1 John 4:4), and dressing in war gear prepares us for the temptations, lies, and decisions we will encounter daily.

We should be excited about the Word of God, for it is our hope—and the only instruction that leads to victory, in life and after physical death.

The Bible predicted that many people would reject the truth, and a glimpse at our world today shows that to be the case. Don’t let yourself fall into the same trap. Life without His truth is destined for failure, so meditate daily on Scripture, and ask God to speak to you.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

What you have done is to eluded question, simple Yes/No would suffice.

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Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

What you have done is to eluded question, simple Yes/No would suffice.

Do you know the meaning of elude? Your question is stupid and your premise is flawed. Isaac was NEVER Abraham's ONLY son. For the God of the Bible to utter those words shows how confused that God is or how confused the writers were. 

ksazma posted:

By the way, does the Bible state that Ishmael ceases to be Abraham's child just because they are not in the same place? So how can Isaac be Abraham's ONLY son at the time that stupid command was given to Abraham?

ksazma neither the Bible nor I ever stated what you are trying to imply above. What you are having problem with is the ability to comprehend. Both book, the bible & Quran mention that Hagar and Ishmael was left in desert/wilderness, after that(I'm not implying immediately) God then spoke to Abraham.

Follow me here, let me simplify this you. You have two sons, one went off to college in South Pole and the other stayed home with you. A man approach you in your house and said, "you should take your son fishing", who would he be referring too? Would it be the one miles away or the one in eye sight / hand reach?

What's bothering the folks like yourself is the phrase "Only Son", which can simply imply the only one left in your camp/tent take him.

But then again, lets look at the scripture:

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Did you notice God was distinct about whom he was referring too? That verse/scripture did not left us hanging in suspense and confusion.  

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

What you have done is to eluded question, simple Yes/No would suffice.

Do you know the meaning of elude? Your question is stupid and your premise is flawed. Isaac was NEVER Abraham's ONLY son. For the God of the Bible to utter those words shows how confused that God is or how confused the writers were. 

Read the above post it's pointed out  clearly for you. You seem kinda grumpy this morning. Is everything Ok, you had your breakfast?

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Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

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antabanta posted:

Actually the answers don't even have to be straight. Just have the same courage you're demanding of others.

No need to waste my time on you...run along. Your friend ksazma seem to display more intellect than you.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

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Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

I fear no man. I entertained you before and it was mundane I have no interest in spinning that record again.

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ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

It's you who's confuse, have you read what I posted in its entirety? As I stated before, that phrase don't literally mean Abraham bore one child only. It's speaking about the one child was currently in Abraham presence at that particular time. Lets say Ishmael was dead no longer with Abraham, could we use the same statement, "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac" and would it have been a issue?

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Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

I fear no man. I entertained you before and it was mundane I have no interest in spinning that record again.

Right. Our exchange had to be mundane because I cannot recall it but I'm guessing you did not fare too well ... hence the fear.

Are you ignoring your sworn duty to enlighten me?

Is your son still missing or did he also succumb to the fear?

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antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
antabanta posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

I fear no man. I entertained you before and it was mundane I have no interest in spinning that record again.

Right. Our exchange had to be mundane because I cannot recall it but I'm guessing you did not fare too well ... hence the fear.

Are you ignoring your sworn duty to enlighten me?

Is your son still missing or did he also succumb to the fear?

I didn't expect you to recall it since what's being display by you is nugatory. So tell me, in a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a barnyard of pigs?

Keith posted:

I didn't expect you to recall it since what's being display by you is nugatory. So tell me, in a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a barnyard of pigs?

So our previous exchange was not too mundane to be forgotten by you then?

What makes you think that God is responsible for the intelligence of mankind?

Also, my previous questions:

Did God incited Abraham to abandon his older son, Ishmael?
Why would a benevolent god instigate a rift in an innocent man's family?

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Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

It's you who's confuse, have you read what I posted in its entirety? As I stated before, that phrase don't literally mean Abraham bore one child only. It's speaking about the one child was currently in Abraham presence at that particular time. Lets say Ishmael was dead no longer with Abraham, could we use the same statement, "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac" and would it have been a issue?

Nothing you posted can remove the fact that the passage erroneously suggested that Isaac was at that particular time Abraham's ONLY son. You can chase your tail how many different ways you feel necessary but none of those will alter the erroneous statement in the Bible. Enough about beating this dead horse. You lost that argument resoundingly. Now for the other matter you posted yesterday.

In your sermon yesterday, you mentioned that "All scriptures are inspired by God". As you may know, the Catholic Version Bible has 73 books while the non-Catholic versions have only 66 books. This is because the non-Catholic Christians reject seven of the books included in the Roman Catholic Bible. If all scriptures are inspired by God, why do non-Catholic Christians reject seven of God's inspired books?

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

It's you who's confuse, have you read what I posted in its entirety? As I stated before, that phrase don't literally mean Abraham bore one child only. It's speaking about the one child was currently in Abraham presence at that particular time. Lets say Ishmael was dead no longer with Abraham, could we use the same statement, "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac" and would it have been a issue?

Nothing you posted can remove the fact that the passage erroneously suggested that Isaac was at that particular time Abraham's ONLY son. You can chase your tail how many different ways you feel necessary but none of those will alter the erroneous statement in the Bible. Enough about beating this dead horse. You lost that argument resoundingly. Now for the other matter you posted yesterday.

No sense reasoning with one who lacks understanding. You are the one that lost this argument with failures to answer simple questions therefore as you suggest no need to batter you brains any longer. It's your nature to deflect and dodge.