Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
 

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

Now I am shaking in my boots. Nothing like a threat from a Christian.

No threat a promise that I can guarantee. 

Dude, you couldn't even demonstrate that you can read English.

Either your reading is lacking or your honesty is.

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ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
 

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

Now I am shaking in my boots. Nothing like a threat from a Christian.

No threat a promise that I can guarantee. 

Dude, you couldn't even demonstrate that you can read English.

Either your reading is lacking or your honesty is.

I do know I understand english far better than you. So while you read I would interpret the language for you since there is a lack of understanding on your part.  

You are making a spectacle of yourself. 

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God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the SonJohn 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the SonJohn 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

So you must believe in Hinduism too. If you don't, please don't give me the idol worship garbage to support your argument.

skeldon_man posted:
Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the SonJohn 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

So you must believe in Hinduism too. If you don't, please don't give me the idol worship garbage to support your argument.

Yet the hypocritical thing is Christians demean Hindus. They should heed that 'speck in eyes advice'.

Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the SonJohn 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

Regarding the last paragraph above, Jesus himself said that "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all". Either he was lying or the paragraph above is.

Yet you think you can read and comprehend.

Reading and comprehending is not what you do brother Keith. What you really do is follow blindly like cattle. The Jews were smart people. They had no patience for Jesus' nonsense, antics and shenanigans and that is why they opposed him. They were not time wasters like he was just goofing off with his compadres.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the SonJohn 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Hm, let see, oh here is the last Paragraph ksazma is referring too:
The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

Regarding the last paragraph above, Jesus himself said that "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all". Either he was lying or the paragraph above is.

Yet you think you can read and comprehend.

Here is why I said you (ksazma) are making a spectacle of yourself. As pointed out above in RED, I took the liberty of marking where the last paragraph is so we can clearly see, it either you who is lying. I failed to see what you are mentioning here ksazma, is it just me or someone else sees what he is talking about here in the last paragraph. ksazma you are proving everyday how incompetent you are.  

I would also like ksazma to point out where, as he quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the post above and where in the bible he can find it and present it to us in plain view.

Folks I can guarantee you that we will have a case of misquoting and the ability of comprehending by ksazma.

The Bible states that no one can see God's face and live. In other words if you see God you will die. So just so Moses wouldn't die when he wanted to see God, turned so all Moses saw was God's backside. Think of that for a moment. If Jesus was God, how come they didn't die like how God went to great lengths to ensure that Moses only saw his backside.

Like Jesus said when the man addressed him as Good, he told him don't call me good because the only one good is God.

ksazma posted:

Keith, do you understand what 'greater' means? Maybe that word means something different in the Bible than everywhere else? Guess you didn't expect to encounter someone who knows so much about the Bible. You didn't expect to run into a buzz saw.

Do you know what a last paragraph is? Certainly not

I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible and present it to us in plain view.

Yet you failed again to present your supportive argument. Just stop, you are looking foolish by the minute.

ksazma posted:

The Bible states that no one can see God's face and live. In other words if you see God you will die. So just so Moses wouldn't die when he wanted to see God, turned so all Moses saw was God's backside. Think of that for a moment. If Jesus was God, how come they didn't die like how God went to great lengths to ensure that Moses only saw his backside.

Like Jesus said when the man addressed him as Good, he told him don't call me good because the only one good is God.

I'll allow you to drown in your foolishness. Your incompetence is unbearable.

ksazma posted:

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

What happen?  I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible. Did it get lost in translation?

You are a joke.

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

What happen?  I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible. Did it get lost in translation?

You are a joke.

So you can't find it yourself? And then what after I post it? You people need to read your Bible rather than just read what your preachers write or say.

ksazma posted:

Now go read John 14:27-31. KJV.

Thanks for posting it now if I can get you to do this simple thing. Where is the contradiction you speak about that I am yet to see.
You see that was not hard to post.

Do you understand John 14:27-31?

Question: "If Jesus was God, why did He say "The Father is greater than I" in John 14:28?"

The phrase "the Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) was spoken by Jesus. Jesus says repeatedly that He is doing the Father’s will, thereby implying that He is somehow subservient to the Father. The question then becomes how can Jesus be equal to God when by His own admission He is subservient to the will of God? The answer to this question lies within the nature of the incarnation (born of a virgin, you know the story). During the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" you will find that in Hebrews 2:9, which refers to Jesus’ status.

Therefore, the fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father. The "greatness" spoken of in this verse, then, relates to role, not to essence.

I will stop here before you mind blow ksazma. I don't what to get too lengthy as you put it. It's a discussion not a sermon.

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ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

What happen?  I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible. Did it get lost in translation?

You are a joke.

So you can't find it yourself? And then what after I post it? You people need to read your Bible rather than just read what your preachers write or say.

You need to do exactly what you suggesting me to do which I do on a daily basis, READ the Bible.

ksazma posted:

For your clarification I did not provide John because you asked me to. I did so because I chose to. I do only what I wish. That said, your explanation of John 14:28 is senseless. 

Whatever you say, I commend your effort

I didn't expect anything else other than for you to disagree with my statement, it's your moto to always show disappointment even if truth/facts slaps you in the face. 

Could you go the extra mile and tell me how long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? I need to know if you been reading that book as you should. 

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Seeing Christ in Our Circumstances

Philippians 1:12-25

If you had the power to change your circumstances, would you? Since no one has a life without problems, most of us would immediately say yes. However, the reality is that we must learn to live with some of our difficult circumstances, because only God has the power to alter them—and in His providence, He’s allowed them to remain.

Take the apostle Paul, for example. He had a desire to go to Rome and preach the gospel but didn’t anticipate the route God would use to bring him there. It began with false accusations in Jerusalem, an appeal to Caesar, a rough sea voyage, and a shipwreck and eventually included time spent in a Roman prison. This was probably not what Paul had envisioned, but as he sat chained to a Roman guard, he wrote the following words to the church in Philippi: “My circumstances have turned out for the greater progress of the gospel” (Phil. 1:12). The very circumstance that may have seemed like an unfair misfortune became the avenue for fruitful service.

What looks like a shipwreck or detour in our plans could actually be God’s ordained path for our lives. It may include financial challenges, health issues, relational conflicts, or any number of other hardships, but there is one certainty to which we can cling: Jesus Christ is our life, and He never changes.

Conditions around us will fluctuate, but if we belong to Christ, He’ll use every situation to accomplish His will in and through us. Even when we face matters of life and death, we can share Paul’s desire—that Christ would be exalted in us, whether through life or death.

ksazma posted:

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Keep reading until you reach the end of revelations

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Keep reading until you reach the end of revelations

Not able to recognize rhetorical questions eh?

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Keep reading until you reach the end of revelations

Not able to recognize rhetorical questions eh?

Your inept of comprehending/recollect is shameful. Once again, I am not address your questions.

I am waiting  to hear how long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? Answer that and then we can continue to a discussion. What's holding you up from answering it?

ksazma posted:

 

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

Do you want us to continue having a discussion or not? If yes just answer my question, it's that simple.

How long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? just provide your answer and stop 'beating around the bush' per say.

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

 

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

Do you want us to continue having a discussion or not? If yes just answer my question, it's that simple.

How long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? just provide your answer and stop 'beating around the bush' per say.

I have told you before that the only thing I intend to do is respond to what you post about the Bible. I didn't start anything about any other book or faiths and I don't intend to. You came here preaching your stuff and while nothing is wrong with that, once you acted like only what you preach is of value, you opened yourself to objections. I am not foolish to start pontificating anything because in doing so I would be forced by nature to elevate my pontification above others. You may be comfortable with that attitude but I don't care to be. So keep fooling yourself.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

 

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

Do you want us to continue having a discussion or not? If yes just answer my question, it's that simple.

How long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? just provide your answer and stop 'beating around the bush' per say.

I have told you before that the only thing I intend to do is respond to what you post about the Bible. I didn't start anything about any other book or faiths and I don't intend to. You came here preaching your stuff and while nothing is wrong with that, once you acted like only what you preach is of value, you opened yourself to objections. I am not foolish to start pontificating anything because in doing so I would be forced by nature to elevate my pontification above others. You may be comfortable with that attitude but I don't care to be. So keep fooling yourself.

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers) an answer. 

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Keith posted:

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers)