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Newly Chinese built Marriott Hotel needs urgent $billions repairs


 

After two years of construction, the US$52M Chinese built Marriott Hotel is now in need of millions of dollars in repairs.
Kaieteur News understands that the repair bill is estimated to be about US$5M.

The Marriot Hotel in Kingstown, Georgetown

The cost of repairs for the hotel will fall on the shoulders of the Government. It is an expense that was not budgeted for. Government officials were unable to confirm if a decision has been made to take a loan to cover the needed repairs throughout the hotel.
Compounding the situation is the fact that the Government is also saddled with sustaining a loan from Republic Bank (Trinidad) in excess of US$17M. This newspaper also understands that there are intentions to move ahead with the construction of the Entertainment Complex of the Hotel. This is estimated to cost US$12M.
The Marriott Hotel has been deemed over the years as a monument of corruption, and a colossal waste of taxpayers’ money.
Speaking yesterday to the matter, Business Minister, Dominic Gaskin, stressed that the government is keen on setting the nation on a course of prosperity. He noted, however, that it has inherited troubles/stumbling blocks like the Marriott Hotel.
Gaskin said, “We have inherited some situations or some entities that are a strain on the Treasury and indeed Marriott and even the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) are examples of this. But we have to be responsible. These are assets of the state which we have to manage.”
“We can’t continue to say that these are situations that we are not happy with. We have a responsibility to manage these situations and we have to do so in a way that takes into consideration what is best for the people of this county and at the same time we have to ensure we don’t do anything that would jeopardize the value or the viability of the assets.”
Gaskin added, “It is quite complex…In the meantime, these things are causing problems. There are lots of other things which could be done with the money we have to go look for and reserve to take care of these matters and they could have been put elsewhere.”
The Business Minister said that if indeed US$5M is what will be needed to do repairs, then one should question the liability of the contractor. Gaskin called into question whether Government would be able to recover this money from the contractor who is usually held accountable for repairs of defects during a certain period of time.
This is normally stipulated in the contract. The year-long defects reporting period ended in April last year.
In the meantime, the government and Shanghai Construction Group (SCG), the contractor of the Marriott Hotel, remain at a standoff. Workers of the entity which is owned by the Chinese Government have been claiming that they are owed some US$5M for works done on the Hotel. The money is yet to be paid, and the government is insisting that it owes SCG nothing.
It was only last year that Finance Minister Winston Jordan said, that if the price is right, Government would be willing to rid itself of the Marriott Hotel.
At the time, Jordan was asked to provide an update on what Government has decided to do with the Hotel it inherited from the previous regime.
He recalled that the government has made it clear on several occasions that it has no intention of being competitively involved in the hotel industry.
When asked about the possibility of Government selling the hotel, Jordan responded, “If Government gets a credible offer or buyer, it will divest itself of the hotel.”
The Finance Minister said that Cabinet has established a subcommittee that is looking at the issue and the best way of relieving the government of any responsibility in owning the hotel.
He noted that the Committee includes members such as Business Minster, Dominic Gaskin and Junior Finance Minister, Jaipaul Sharma.
The Finance Minister reiterated, “Government is determined not to own the hotel.”
Junior Finance Minister, Jaipaul Sharma, has since expressed the belief that any serious attempt to sell the Marriott Hotel would perhaps see the Government pushing for the completion of the hotel’s casino and entertainment complex.

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Nehru posted:

PIGS took over and in 2 years they FRIG up the place. I am NOT surprise. Bruk and Bun is PNC best skills!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor construction is the hallmark of chinese builders. Skeldon factory is an example.

Also, poor planning and oversight can also result in poor construction. There are a number of buildings in Georgetown that has to be torn down before they can ever be completed and all of these were on the PPP watch. The Kato school is another example. During the election it was highlighted as a shining example of the PPP school building projects. It is still to be used due to poor building construction. The same could be said on the multi million so called advance laboratory building. It was wired improperly and I believe still lies vacant some years after construction.

FM

Come on Stormy, even if I give you the benefit of agreeing that the Lab and School was not up to standard, I do not thing the Marriott Franchise would want their name on anything substandard.

And even then, 2 years is enought to correct any faults. But the PNC only interested in POWER, WEALTH and REVENGE.

Nehru

One Chinese fellow who worked with me said that anthing Chinese build especially outside their country is pure crap. After reading what happened with the Skeldon plant now the Marriott, I agree.

cain
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Nehru posted:

PIGS took over and in 2 years they FRIG up the place. I am NOT surprise. Bruk and Bun is PNC best skills!!!!!!!!!!!

When I first read the thread heading "India goats got talent" on Social, right away I thought they were mentioning yu and your talent for talking pure shyte.

cain
cain posted:

One Chinese fellow who worked with me said that anthing Chinese build especially outside their country is pure crap. After reading what happened with the Skeldon plant now the Marriott, I agree.

Mainland China, The Peoples Republic of China, yes. Republic of China, Taiwan, no. There was a report done on the Chinese in the West Indies and the difference between the two countries. Taiwan involves the residents wherever they go including using local resources and teaching locals. Mainland China on the other hand brings in everything Chinese from workers to supplies.

GTAngler

You need to read up some more.  Some of the best buildings under construction around the world are designed and built by Chinese engineers and architects.  I M Pei is one of the best architects who ever lived.  Have you ever visited or stayed at the Guyana Marriott?

Bibi Haniffa
cain posted:
Nehru posted:

PIGS took over and in 2 years they FRIG up the place. I am NOT surprise. Bruk and Bun is PNC best skills!!!!!!!!!!!

When I first read the thread heading "India goats got talent" on Social, right away I thought they were mentioning yu and your talent for talking pure shyte.

And I thought a DOPE HEAH FILTH HEAD WAS THE GOAT with talent.

 

Me Kafee sweeten now.

Nehru

Hotels are risky business in general. I made a good return from Invest Reit but only because I got the shares cheap.  In the hotel business the customer is there for only a few days. In business in general you need a customer that is in a captive type relationship to make money.  Like a person renting an apartment from you at a good rental price. That person will not want to leave so you get a good customer.  My solution is this.

The government keep the land as an asset that the hotel is on in a company. Use the land to get rent. But sell the hotel building as timeshare units from a separate company to pay off the bank loan if possible. Or give the bank the building as timeshare units for the loan.  Then let the timeshare owners worry about repairing the building.

Prashad
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GTAngler posted:
cain posted:

One Chinese fellow who worked with me said that anthing Chinese build especially outside their country is pure crap. After reading what happened with the Skeldon plant now the Marriott, I agree.

Mainland China, The Peoples Republic of China, yes. Republic of China, Taiwan, no. There was a report done on the Chinese in the West Indies and the difference between the two countries. Taiwan involves the residents wherever they go including using local resources and teaching locals. Mainland China on the other hand brings in everything Chinese from workers to supplies.

What I notice between the Peoples Republic of China and Taiwan is this.

1.They are one in spreading Chinese culture.

2. They both have the same Chinese land expansion goals.

Prashad
Bibi Haniffa posted:

You need to read up some more.  Some of the best buildings under construction around the world are designed and built by Chinese engineers and architects.  I M Pei is one of the best architects who ever lived.  Have you ever visited or stayed at the Guyana Marriott?

I M Pei left China and moved the United States in the 1930's. He was educated here. I am speaking about the current Chinese companies based in China and doing work overseas and also not specifically construction. I mentioned a documentary. The Chinese (PROC) offered loans to several countries in the West Indies with the stipulation that Chinese companies got the contracts for whatever venture it was. Taiwan on the other hand employs and trains locals and buys local supplies. They are both trying to get stronger footholds in the Caribbean. And no, I have not stayed at the Guyana Marriott. I suppose you have which makes you an expert on Chinese Architecture and Construction?

GTAngler

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

Bibi Haniffa
Nehru posted:

Come on Stormy, even if I give you the benefit of agreeing that the Lab and School was not up to standard, I do not thing the Marriott Franchise would want their name on anything substandard.

And even then, 2 years is enought to correct any faults. But the PNC only interested in POWER, WEALTH and REVENGE.

the Marriott corp is a service corp not a building corp. The building was half built when it was declared open and it remains to be completed so they easily could not know its underlying problems.ALso, over 10 years and the Skeldon plant that cost 4 times as the Marriott and which had another 50 million US spent to correct its problems and which is the flagship of an entire industry is still to get its sea-legs.

And yes, the lab was wired badly

The APNU like the PPP are indeed interested in power. If they cared for revenge they would have immediately locked up all those PPP fools on spurious charges as many other countries have done.

FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

Haha. You should get out and visit the Marriott Marquis or the East Side Marriott and see what a real Marriott is like. The one in Guyana is more like a Courtyard Marriott, three star at best. 

Mars
Stormborn posted:
Nehru posted:

Come on Stormy, even if I give you the benefit of agreeing that the Lab and School was not up to standard, I do not thing the Marriott Franchise would want their name on anything substandard.

And even then, 2 years is enought to correct any faults. But the PNC only interested in POWER, WEALTH and REVENGE.

the Marriott corp is a service corp not a building corp. The building was half built when it was declared open and it remains to be completed so they easily could not know its underlying problems.ALso, over 10 years and the Skeldon plant that cost 4 times as the Marriott and which had another 50 million US spent to correct its problems and which is the flagship of an entire industry is still to get its sea-legs.

And yes, the lab was wired badly

The APNU like the PPP are indeed interested in power. If they cared for revenge they would have immediately locked up all those PPP fools on spurious charges as many other countries have done.

Not true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I stayed there a few months after it was open and it was completed.  Diplomats and those Gold Mine guys live on the 9th floor.  The Restaurant, bar, conference center, pool, everything was fully functional when I stayed there.

Bibi Haniffa
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

Haha. You should get out and visit the Marriott Marquis or the East Side Marriott and see what a real Marriott is like. The one in Guyana is more like a Courtyard Marriott, three star at best. 

I have been to both of those several times.  Nothing compares to a brand new building with everything sparking clean and you get pepperpot and breadfruit for breakfast in the morning while eating and gazing at the estuary where the Demerara River meets the Atlantic Ocean.  And the feeling of Home Sweet Home!

Bibi Haniffa
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

You need to read up some more.  Some of the best buildings under construction around the world are designed and built by Chinese engineers and architects.  I M Pei is one of the best architects who ever lived.  Have you ever visited or stayed at the Guyana Marriott?

I lived in a building built by IM Pei, 1101 3rd St SW DC  . It was the crappiest building I ever lived in. It was all glass and heated up in the summer and froze in the winter. Add to that the air conditioning system was crap and failed all the time. I was lucky I had some cash to buy an inside air conditioner from sharper image and heaters in the winter. They paid the electricity. The rent was only 240 and controlled so I squatted out there for a decade.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

I have not been to the GT marriot but I know you are crazy if you think that is the best in the world.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Stormborn posted:
Nehru posted:

Come on Stormy, even if I give you the benefit of agreeing that the Lab and School was not up to standard, I do not thing the Marriott Franchise would want their name on anything substandard.

And even then, 2 years is enought to correct any faults. But the PNC only interested in POWER, WEALTH and REVENGE.

the Marriott corp is a service corp not a building corp. The building was half built when it was declared open and it remains to be completed so they easily could not know its underlying problems.ALso, over 10 years and the Skeldon plant that cost 4 times as the Marriott and which had another 50 million US spent to correct its problems and which is the flagship of an entire industry is still to get its sea-legs.

And yes, the lab was wired badly

The APNU like the PPP are indeed interested in power. If they cared for revenge they would have immediately locked up all those PPP fools on spurious charges as many other countries have done.

Not true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I stayed there a few months after it was open and it was completed.  Diplomats and those Gold Mine guys live on the 9th floor.  The Restaurant, bar, conference center, pool, everything was fully functional when I stayed there.

there is a u tube video showing it was half built when declared open.

FM
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

Haha. You should get out and visit the Marriott Marquis or the East Side Marriott and see what a real Marriott is like. The one in Guyana is more like a Courtyard Marriott, three star at best. 

she is a nut case. To make it on par with the best would place it outside the scope of economic viability.

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FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

Haha. You should get out and visit the Marriott Marquis or the East Side Marriott and see what a real Marriott is like. The one in Guyana is more like a Courtyard Marriott, three star at best. 

I have been to both of those several times.  Nothing compares to a brand new building with everything sparking clean and you get pepperpot and breadfruit for breakfast in the morning while gazing at the estuary where the Demerara River meets the Atlantic Ocean.  And the feeling of Home Sweet Home!

The Guyana Marriott is nothing compared to those two and I've been to all three. Your emotional attachment to Guyana probably gives you an artificial high when you watch the Demerara meet the Atlantic. However, that exact spot is where they drain the sewerage from Georgetown. Ask drugb, he was swimming in it and tasting it. The mere thought of that alone turns me off completely. If I want to see the Atlantic, I'd prefer going to a real beach where the water is clean, and not muddy and full of shyte. The poolside at the Marriott is drab and has nothing going for it. Pegasus poolside is ten times better and kicking on a Saturday night. Added to that, the customer service in the Marriott, as in most places in Guyana, is nothing to brag about. And the price they want you to pay for breakfast. I'd rather go to a small restaurant in GT. Food at the Marriott is ridiculously overpriced.

Mars
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When are Guyanese going to realize that these Chinese are ripping us off all the time? The so called smart meter contract is the next failure on the horizon. The Chinese that are sent over to Guyana are often convicts on foreign hard labour duties. They are not skilled workmen.

Mr.T
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

I don't know what it is about Marriott and you guys. My mom is the same way. Insists on going to Marriott or Marriott owned properties. Me, I go with what is economical and the best promotion at the time and I worked for Marriott for a few years. I believe there may be some confusion between repairs and completion work. Wasn't there a thread not so long ago about The Marriott and it being incomplete?

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

I don't know what it is about Marriott and you guys. My mom is the same way. Insists on going to Marriott or Marriott owned properties. Me, I go with what is economical and the best promotion at the time and I worked for Marriott for a few years. I believe there may be some confusion between repairs and completion work. Wasn't there a thread not so long ago about The Marriott and it being incomplete?

the entire casino section is still incomplete if the press reporting is accurate

FM
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I was actually talking to Cain, but since you insist - Yes - I have stayed at the Guyana Marriott.  It is one of the best Marriott hotels and it's run by a former Ritz Carlton General Manager.  As a Marriott rewards member, I have also stayed at several Marriott properties around the world and I like the one in Guyana better than most. 

Haha. You should get out and visit the Marriott Marquis or the East Side Marriott and see what a real Marriott is like. The one in Guyana is more like a Courtyard Marriott, three star at best. 

I have been to both of those several times.  Nothing compares to a brand new building with everything sparking clean and you get pepperpot and breadfruit for breakfast in the morning while gazing at the estuary where the Demerara River meets the Atlantic Ocean.  And the feeling of Home Sweet Home!

The Guyana Marriott is nothing compared to those two and I've been to all three. Your emotional attachment to Guyana probably gives you an artificial high when you watch the Demerara meet the Atlantic. However, that exact spot is where they drain the sewerage from Georgetown. Ask drugb, he was swimming in it and tasting it. The mere thought of that alone turns me off completely. If I want to see the Atlantic, I'd prefer going to a real beach where the water is clean, and not muddy and full of shyte. The poolside at the Marriott is drab and has nothing going for it. Pegasus poolside is ten times better and kicking on a Saturday night. Added to that, the customer service in the Marriott, as in most places in Guyana, is nothing to brag about. And the price they want you to pay for breakfast. I'd rather go to a small restaurant in GT. Food at the Marriott is ridiculously overpriced.

Isn't the reason why Pegasus is "kicking on a Saturday night" because that is where the prostitutes hang out?  Most of the people I saw at the Marriott are foreigners and business people.

Bibi Haniffa

When KNews report on what was built under Jagdeo/Ramotar presidency, they make it sound like the building is falling apart. If the Marriott needs repair, that's the contractors failure to deliver good work. Jagdeo is not a magician. I heard someone mention Skeldon Factory (again). That's another failure due to contractor's faulty work. Name a country that doesn't have problems of its own. Only Guyanese behave like this.

FM
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Mr.T posted:

When are Guyanese going to realize that these Chinese are ripping us off all the time? The so called smart meter contract is the next failure on the horizon. The Chinese that are sent over to Guyana are often convicts on foreign hard labour duties. They are not skilled workmen.

The Chinese are not ripping us off, the politicians are. The Chinese are only doing what they have been doing wherever the can get away with it.

GTAngler
Mr.T posted:

When are Guyanese going to realize that these Chinese are ripping us off all the time? The so called smart meter contract is the next failure on the horizon. The Chinese that are sent over to Guyana are often convicts on foreign hard labour duties. They are not skilled workmen.

The world cannot run without the Chinese.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Prince posted:

When KNews report on what was built under Jagdeo/Ramotar presidency, they make it sound like the building is falling apart. If the Marriott needs repair, that's the contractors failure to deliver good work. Jagdeo is not a magician. I heard someone mention Skeldon Factory (again). That's another failure due to contractor's faulty work. Name a country that doesn't have problems of its own. Only Guyanese behave like this.

The Marriott does not need any repairs.  This is a scam by the PNC to squander money.

Bibi Haniffa
GTAngler posted:
Mr.T posted:

When are Guyanese going to realize that these Chinese are ripping us off all the time? The so called smart meter contract is the next failure on the horizon. The Chinese that are sent over to Guyana are often convicts on foreign hard labour duties. They are not skilled workmen.

The Chinese are not ripping us off, the politicians are. The Chinese are only doing what they have been doing wherever the can get away with it.

You have to compete with the Chinese if you want your business to survive.  Time to wake and work harder and smarter. It's a different world

Billy Ram Balgobin

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