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Prince posted:

Where are the Muslim rallies when Muslim killing Americans in the name of Allah? 

There are always Muslims during those events but your cancered eyes can't see them. Just like there are much more non-Muslims at the protests yesterday than Muslims but your cancered eyes only allow you to see the Muslims who are protesting. Like I said the other day, your family must be really proud of your hatred to keep you near them.

Nehru posted:

Right now if Trump refund me all my Taxes, Social Security Payments and State and local Taxes I will move to Canada. PM Treadau said I am welcome!!!!!!!!!!!

With the kind of money that will be refunded to you Nehru, you will be able to buy your own paradise island. Subhaan Allah.

Nehru posted:

Right now if Trump refund me all my Taxes, Social Security Payments and State and local Taxes I will move to Canada. PM Treadau said I am welcome!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to live a lonely life and die quick, Canada is your country. Rum is very expensive too.  Bacardi white that we throw away in America is top brand in la la land.  

Prince posted:
Nehru posted:

Right now if Trump refund me all my Taxes, Social Security Payments and State and local Taxes I will move to Canada. PM Treadau said I am welcome!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to live a lonely life and die quick, Canada is your country. Rum is very expensive too.  Bacardi white that we throw away in America is top brand in la la land.  

Dude, you write like you already live a lonely life. You write like a sourpuss.

Prince posted:

Where are the Muslim rallies when Muslim killing Americans in the name of Allah? 

Prince bhai, we can ask the same questions of blacks. Where are the blacks when the blacks are killing their own? Muslims go into hiding when a muslim kills an American. They are afraid of being killed too. We cannot blame all muslims for the few who show Islam in a bad light. Coolies kill coolies too. Where are the coolies when this happens?

Trump don't talk about getting things done . He gets 'em done ... he said it in the campaign trail what he was going to to do, why is this a surprise to anyone. 

Trump actions may be belligerent, but they are transparent as well.

Obama admisistration has been one of the most opaque in recent memory, it operated in a manner that kept its opponents and allies guessing as to its true intentions- take for example it's slow push against Israel for 8 years ... only in the dying weeks did Obama administration truly unveil how much it believed Israel is hampering the peace process. 

Imran posted:

Trump don't talk about getting things done . He gets 'em done ... he said it in the campaign trail what he was going to to do, why is this a surprise to anyone. 

Trump actions may be belligerent, but they are transparent as well.

Obama admisistration has been one of the most opaque in recent memory, it operated in a manner that kept its opponents and allies guessing as to its true intentions- take for example it's slow push against Israel for 8 years ... only in the dying weeks did Obama administration truly unveil how much it believed Israel is hampering the peace process. 

Correct Imran.  None of these people who are hollering here knew Obama was the one who signed the terrorism prevention act.  Trump has no hidden agenda. People are so used to dishonest politicians they are willing to accept anything that comes their way.  Trump is going to protect Americans and they will be grateful.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Imran posted:

Trump don't talk about getting things done . He gets 'em done ... he said it in the campaign trail what he was going to to do, why is this a surprise to anyone. 

Trump actions may be belligerent, but they are transparent as well.

Obama admisistration has been one of the most opaque in recent memory, it operated in a manner that kept its opponents and allies guessing as to its true intentions- take for example it's slow push against Israel for 8 years ... only in the dying weeks did Obama administration truly unveil how much it believed Israel is hampering the peace process. 

Correct Imran.  None of these people who are hollering here knew Obama was the one who signed the terrorism prevention act.  Trump has no hidden agenda. People are so used to dishonest politicians they are willing to accept anything that comes their way.  Trump is going to protect Americans and they will be grateful.

These same GNI American citizen will speak differently in a few years. Their perspectives if from a Religious stance and not from a realistic approach. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

Trump is going to protect Americans and they will be grateful.

Bibi, I am still surprised that anyone still believe that Trump cares about anything or anyone other than himself. His ego has still not allowed to move pass the fact that he did not get a big gathering for his inauguration or that he did not win the popular vote. Or that the media is insisting that he be truthful.

Bibi, I am not sure you know the meaning of dumping. Once again, go educate yourself on how one gets approves as a refugee, Asylum or Green Card. You probably came Backtrack so you are not ware of the process to get a green Card. Regan Amnesty saved you?

I didn't say Trump is perfect.  But I am with him on this terrorism prevention issue.  Like Imran said, Let's not focus on religion, let's see the policy for what it is.  When people inject racism and religion into an immigration issue they are blurring the lines of good judgement.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I didn't say Trump is perfect.  But I am with him on this terrorism prevention issue.  Like Imran said, Let's not focus on religion, let's see the policy for what it is.  When people inject racism and religion into an immigration issue they are blurring the lines of good judgement.

Trump first injected religion into this particular executive action by stating that Muslims are barred but Christians and other minority groups are given preferential treatment to Muslims. Does that mean that he did not show good judgement?

Nehru posted:

Bibi, I am not sure you know the meaning of dumping. Once again, go educate yourself on how one gets approves as a refugee, Asylum or Green Card. You probably came Backtrack so you are not ware of the process to get a green Card. Regan Amnesty saved you?

Didn't you see me swimming the Rio Grande?  BTW, you do realize it's the Atlantic Ocean you have to swim to get from GY to America right?  And I think DrugB is the only one here who can pull that off.

ksazma posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I didn't say Trump is perfect.  But I am with him on this terrorism prevention issue.  Like Imran said, Let's not focus on religion, let's see the policy for what it is.  When people inject racism and religion into an immigration issue they are blurring the lines of good judgement.

Trump first injected religion into this particular executive action by stating that Muslims are barred but Christians and other minority groups are given preferential treatment to Muslims. Does that mean that he did not show good judgement?

If he is favoring Christians over Muslims as immigrants then that is wrong. 

Nehru posted:

Bibi, quite frankly, I do not know what you are saying. So here is a simple question. Do you approve the approach and execution of the Immigration Law trump signed on Friday???

Of course I do.  Of those 12 people detained yesterday, one was trying to enter the country without a visa and had to be deported.  Of the flights that came in yesterday, there were more than 500 Muslims, only 12 were detained.  They still have 6 of them under FBI surveillance so something is going on.

Trump cannot sign an immigration law by executive order.  That's Obama's law enforced by executive order.  The Federal Gov't has all jurisdiction over immigration law.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, I am not sure you know the meaning of dumping. Once again, go educate yourself on how one gets approves as a refugee, Asylum or Green Card. You probably came Backtrack so you are not ware of the process to get a green Card. Regan Amnesty saved you?

Didn't you see me swimming the Rio Grande?  BTW, you do realize it's the Atlantic Ocean you have to swim to get from GY to America right?  And I think DrugB is the only one here who can pull that off.

I don't think Nehru can swim to save his live.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, I am not sure you know the meaning of dumping. Once again, go educate yourself on how one gets approves as a refugee, Asylum or Green Card. You probably came Backtrack so you are not ware of the process to get a green Card. Regan Amnesty saved you?

Didn't you see me swimming the Rio Grande?  BTW, you do realize it's the Atlantic Ocean you have to swim to get from GY to America right?  And I think DrugB is the only one here who can pull that off.

People from Guyana has come to America via South/Central America and Mexico.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
ksazma posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I didn't say Trump is perfect.  But I am with him on this terrorism prevention issue.  Like Imran said, Let's not focus on religion, let's see the policy for what it is.  When people inject racism and religion into an immigration issue they are blurring the lines of good judgement.

Trump first injected religion into this particular executive action by stating that Muslims are barred but Christians and other minority groups are given preferential treatment to Muslims. Does that mean that he did not show good judgement?

If he is favoring Christians over Muslims as immigrants then that is wrong. 

He said so on the Christian Science Network last Thursday or Friday.

Prince posted:

Trump is right to favor Christians over Muslims because Christians are persecuted in Muslim countries by these neemakaram pedophiles that having sex with babies.

Given enough time, the Prince madness always find a new high.

Prince posted:
Nehru posted:

Making America a Third World Dictatorship is not what I crossed the Rio Grande for!! The man is an IDIOT, plain ans simple!!!!

You canoe sink that you can't get back to the other side of Rio Grande?  

Wasn't Nehru the first man to show up when you were giving up on life?  You are lucky he was here.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Imran posted:

Trump don't talk about getting things done . He gets 'em done ... he said it in the campaign trail what he was going to to do, why is this a surprise to anyone. 

Trump actions may be belligerent, but they are transparent as well.

Obama admisistration has been one of the most opaque in recent memory, it operated in a manner that kept its opponents and allies guessing as to its true intentions- take for example it's slow push against Israel for 8 years ... only in the dying weeks did Obama administration truly unveil how much it believed Israel is hampering the peace process. 

Correct Imran.  None of these people who are hollering here knew Obama was the one who signed the terrorism prevention act.  Trump has no hidden agenda. People are so used to dishonest politicians they are willing to accept anything that comes their way.  Trump is going to protect Americans and they will be grateful.

Did the Obama terrorism act banned REFUGEES from entering the USA??

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, quite frankly, I do not know what you are saying. So here is a simple question. Do you approve the approach and execution of the Immigration Law trump signed on Friday???

Of course I do.  Of those 12 people detained yesterday, one was trying to enter the country without a visa and had to be deported.  Of the flights that came in yesterday, there were more than 500 Muslims, only 12 were detained.  They still have 6 of them under FBI surveillance so something is going on.

Trump cannot sign an immigration law by executive order.  That's Obama's law enforced by executive order.  The Federal Gov't has all jurisdiction over immigration law.

How many of the 9/11 bombers came from the 7 countries where the Orangutan banned refugees from?

VVP posted:
Prince posted:
Nehru posted:

Making America a Third World Dictatorship is not what I crossed the Rio Grande for!! The man is an IDIOT, plain ans simple!!!!

You canoe sink that you can't get back to the other side of Rio Grande?  

Wasn't Nehru the first man to show up when you were giving up on life?  You are lucky he was here.

Now I remember when he was going to drink malathion after the PPP lost the elections.  

ksazma posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
ksazma posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

I didn't say Trump is perfect.  But I am with him on this terrorism prevention issue.  Like Imran said, Let's not focus on religion, let's see the policy for what it is.  When people inject racism and religion into an immigration issue they are blurring the lines of good judgement.

Trump first injected religion into this particular executive action by stating that Muslims are barred but Christians and other minority groups are given preferential treatment to Muslims. Does that mean that he did not show good judgement?

If he is favoring Christians over Muslims as immigrants then that is wrong. 

He said so on the Christian Science Network last Thursday or Friday.

If Trump said that he is wrong.  There are good Muslims and bad Christians, Among others.  America has a beautiful system of Gov't that protects its citizens.  There are three branches of Gov't each with their own powers - federal, state, and local.  And laws have to be passed by Senate and Congress.  This is not Guyana where you can do what you want.  The President does not have absolute power.  Immigration laws are a mandate of the Federal Gov't not by the President.  The media and the local politicians are blowing this thing out of proportion.  Some for personal gain as there will be local elections in November, 2017.

If Yvette Clark and Chief understood how the law works, they would stay home with their families and drink some nice hot soup, rather than run out in the cold and scream and holler like mad hyenas.  

BTW, all day today flights have been landing at JFK from Etihad Airways, Emirates, Qatar, and other airlines and not one Muslim person has been detained so far.

VVP posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, quite frankly, I do not know what you are saying. So here is a simple question. Do you approve the approach and execution of the Immigration Law trump signed on Friday???

Of course I do.  Of those 12 people detained yesterday, one was trying to enter the country without a visa and had to be deported.  Of the flights that came in yesterday, there were more than 500 Muslims, only 12 were detained.  They still have 6 of them under FBI surveillance so something is going on.

Trump cannot sign an immigration law by executive order.  That's Obama's law enforced by executive order.  The Federal Gov't has all jurisdiction over immigration law.

How many of the 9/11 bombers came from the 7 countries where the Orangutan banned refugees from?

Unfortunately some GNIers are falling for the silly hysteria. No doubt there are bad Muslims intent on hurting Americans but this hysteria has nothing to do with that. This is something much deeper and Muslims are the first target because it is the easier one. It will move to blacks next and at some point it will get to other non-Whites. This is Bannon's vision at work.

VVP posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, quite frankly, I do not know what you are saying. So here is a simple question. Do you approve the approach and execution of the Immigration Law trump signed on Friday???

Of course I do.  Of those 12 people detained yesterday, one was trying to enter the country without a visa and had to be deported.  Of the flights that came in yesterday, there were more than 500 Muslims, only 12 were detained.  They still have 6 of them under FBI surveillance so something is going on.

Trump cannot sign an immigration law by executive order.  That's Obama's law enforced by executive order.  The Federal Gov't has all jurisdiction over immigration law.

How many of the 9/11 bombers came from the 7 countries where the Orangutan banned refugees from?

This is not Trump's law. These seven countries were selected by the Foreign Relations Committee and the Department of Homeland Security, and passed as law under Obama in 2015.  Trump signed an executive order to enforce the law. This is not Guyana Bai. You want the man get impeached??  The President of the United States cannot make immigration law.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
VVP posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, quite frankly, I do not know what you are saying. So here is a simple question. Do you approve the approach and execution of the Immigration Law trump signed on Friday???

Of course I do.  Of those 12 people detained yesterday, one was trying to enter the country without a visa and had to be deported.  Of the flights that came in yesterday, there were more than 500 Muslims, only 12 were detained.  They still have 6 of them under FBI surveillance so something is going on.

Trump cannot sign an immigration law by executive order.  That's Obama's law enforced by executive order.  The Federal Gov't has all jurisdiction over immigration law.

How many of the 9/11 bombers came from the 7 countries where the Orangutan banned refugees from?

This is not Trump's law. These seven countries were selected by the Foreign Relations Committee and the Deoartment of Homeland Security, and passed as law under Obama in 2015.  Trump signed an executive order to enforce the law. This is not Guyana Bai. You want the man get impeached??  The President of the United States cannot make immigration law.

Show me the law that give him the right to ban refugees from selected countries.  Stop posting shit from them redneck sites.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

This is not Trump's law. These seven countries were selected by the Foreign Relations Committee and passed as law under Obama in 2015.  Trump signed an executive order to enforce the law. This is not Guyana Bai. You want the man get impeached??  The President of the United States cannot make immigration law.

Given that it was still not implemented one week after Trump took office shows the careful approach that the Obama administration was taking. No doubt there is always the need to keep people out who intend to harm Americans. But Trump comes in and like the PNC, recklessly implemented this change banning everyone instead of only those who intend on harming Americans. Shows his inability to think wisely.

VVP posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
VVP posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Nehru posted:

Bibi, quite frankly, I do not know what you are saying. So here is a simple question. Do you approve the approach and execution of the Immigration Law trump signed on Friday???

Of course I do.  Of those 12 people detained yesterday, one was trying to enter the country without a visa and had to be deported.  Of the flights that came in yesterday, there were more than 500 Muslims, only 12 were detained.  They still have 6 of them under FBI surveillance so something is going on.

Trump cannot sign an immigration law by executive order.  That's Obama's law enforced by executive order.  The Federal Gov't has all jurisdiction over immigration law.

How many of the 9/11 bombers came from the 7 countries where the Orangutan banned refugees from?

This is not Trump's law. These seven countries were selected by the Foreign Relations Committee and the Deoartment of Homeland Security, and passed as law under Obama in 2015.  Trump signed an executive order to enforce the law. This is not Guyana Bai. You want the man get impeached??  The President of the United States cannot make immigration law.

Show me the law that give him the right to ban refugees from selected countries.  Stop posting shit from them redneck sites.

The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, SUdan, Somalia or Yemen.”  And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”

It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.

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The Congress and Homeland Security selected these countries in 2016 and before (Screenshot of visa waiver categories, US Customs and Border Protection)

What? So there was a Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 two years before Trump? There was a kind of “Muslim ban” before the Muslim ban? But almost no one critiqued it in 2015 because it was Obama’s administration overseeing it.

 

 

 

Did you read the bill?  It's several hundred pages.  I haven't read all of it, but I know Trump did not break the law or the lawyers from the Democrats and immigration groups would be all over him.

The fact that they are protesting and not filing a lawsuit tells me he did not break the law.

It says it all right here:

“The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).”

This is a case where good law falls into evil hands.  It was meant to target TERRORISTS not REFUGEES.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Did you read the bill?  It's several hundred pages.  I haven't read all of it, but I know Trump did not break the law or the lawyers from the Democrats and immigration groups would be all over him.

The fact that they are protesting and not filing a lawsuit tells me he did not break the law.

I wouldn't expect anyone to file a lawsuit without having all the necessary facts. That would make them as reckless as Trump. Nonetheless, if there was a complete ban on people from those 7 countries, then all that Right Wing moaning and groaning that Obama was bringing in Syrian refugees and endangering Americans' lives was sheer bs. My guess is that the current hysteria over Muslims is also sheer bs.

Pakistan could be included in Trump’s immigration ban list in future: White House

There is a possibility in the future of including Pakistan in the list of countries from where immigration has been banned, a top White House official indicated on Sunday, acknowledging for the first time that Pakistan was under consideration to be put in that category.

“The reason we chose those seven countries was, those were the seven countries that both the Congress and the Obama administration identified as being the seven countries that were most identifiable with dangerous terrorism taking place in their country,” White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, told CBS News.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/...AsJermhNhxA1oHL.html

Zed posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Everyone is happy with America being the dumping ground for the world's rejects.  Even if it means compromising their safety and their standard of living.  

Does that say something about you, Bibi? LOL

I am not going to lie to you.  Burnham reject me and me run like hell.  I went to America to attend university and those were the best days of my life.  I will forever be grateful.  

I think many of us did and benefitted from that move. More power to you for making that move a good one for you. Many did not.

i do not know about the US being a dumping ground. Also, as an outsider looking in, I detect a high degree of xenophobia underlying recent events. When leaders of a country are the ones spreading the flames, then we all must speak up or eventually get burnt. Remember the law of unintended consequences.

i might not always agree with you, especially regarding the US, but I respect your right to hold and make those views known.

I am just surprised that any Guyanese think that they are any less susceptible to the same suspicion shown to Muslims especially since those Americans harboring those suspicions are not of the brightest order and wouldn't know the difference between a Muslim or non-Muslim of Guyanese origin.

Ahhh well why not..Pakistan should be added to the list..after all they are much darker than Trump and I do not think he should stop there..he should be reminded many Indians also come from Guyana...nah right Prince.ss?

Prince posted:

Where are the Muslim rallies when Muslim killing Americans in the name of Allah? 

Where was your cavernous mouth when George Bush and his henchmen were slaughtering millions of Iraqis ....all on the basis of a pack of LIES ? They displayed no mercy; not even for the defenseless, starving children; more than a million of them died before they even knew they were Iraqis ! Were you suffering from Alzheimer's disease at that time or do your prejudice and ignorance disable your minute reasoning capability ? Were you both deaf and dumb when Madeline Albright, when asked to comment on the death of countless Iraqi children, famously said 'it was worth the price' !! Killing in the name of Christianity was acceptable at that time, was it ??   

Prince posted:

Trump is right to favor Christians over Muslims because Christians are persecuted in Muslim countries by these neemakaram pedophiles that having sex with babies.

Sparrow was perfectly correct when he said 'where ignorance is bliss, it's folly to be wise' ! Tell the world which Muslim country you have been to and what you observed to justify the rubbish you posted above ! Do you obtain information from National Enquirer ? Similarly, in response to an earlier post that you made I specifically asked you to substantiate an outrageously dishonest statement you made about the Qur'an directing Muslims to kill their children; like a spineless runt, you tucked your tail between your legs and ran away !  

ksazma posted:

The Prince only visit hate sites because they satisfy his needs.

He is a spineless, hateful moron who posts garbage but, when challenged or asked to validate his rubbish, he tucks his tail between his legs like the runt he is and runs away. I have no difficulty in accommodating differences of opinion, however, when jackasses like this ignoramus openly sprays his venom, I believe we all need to take a position and challenge bigotry and ignorance. Having access to a keyboard must never be interpreted as 'cart-blanche' to be deceitful and masquerade trash as fact. From my perspective, idiots of his sort ought to be banned because hate and bigotry should never ever be tolerated.     

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