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Ministry urges full support for 2am closing of nightclubs

By , July 29, 2015, Source
 

The Ministry of Public Security today urged full public support for its initiative to enforce the closing of night clubs and other places of entertainment at 2 am saying it was being done in the interest of citizens’ security.

 

A statement from the ministry follows:

Announcement of the enforcement of the 2:00am closing of night spots and other places of entertainment made by the Hon. Khemraj Ramjattan MP, Vice President and Minister of Public Security

 

The Ministry of Public Security avails this opportunity to put into proper perspective the recent decision of the Honourable Vice President and Minister of Public Security to cause the Guyana Police Force to enforce the 2:00am closing time for night clubs and other places of entertainment.

 

After taking into account the negative effects of alcohol consumption on crime and violence, including domestic violence; traffic accidents; the productive capacities of our population, especially the young; along with other attendant circumstances, including the adverse effects of the proliferation of noise nuisance, the Honourable Vice President and Minister of Public Security has determined that it is in the best interest of the country to enforce the existing laws which have mandated that these entertainment facilities must close at 2:00 am.

 

This move by the Ministry has gained wide support by women’s groups and the Private Sector Commission, among other organizations. It should also be noted that such legal restrictions are not uncommon in other countries.

 

The 2:00am closing time is provided for in the Music and Dancing Licenses (Amendment) Act Chapter 23:03, Act #12 of 1982, which states at section 9 that:

 

“A place, so kept or used, although so licensed as aforesaid, shall not be opened for any of the purposes afore said except on the days and between the hours stated on the licence:

Provided that the holder of a first class hotel licence may keep open the licensed premises for the purpose of dancing, singing, music or other public entertainment once in every week until the hour of two of the clock in the morning except on any Sunday.”

 

“Place” as used in Section 9 means “house, room, garden, or other place” and will cover bars, clubs and restaurants – also inclusive of open spaces used for dances and entertainment purposes.

 

This law is being enforced in the interest of citizens’ security and safety with the aim of suppressing criminal and other offences which typically occur after 2:00am.

 

The Ministry urges full public support in this process.

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After taking into account the negative effects of alcohol consumption on crime and violence, including domestic violence; traffic accidents; the productive capacities of our population, especially the young; along with other attendant circumstances, including the adverse effects of the proliferation of noise nuisance, the Honourable Vice President and Minister of Public Security has determined that it is in the best interest of the country to enforce the existing laws which have mandated that these entertainment facilities must close at 2:00 am.

 

Ministry urges full support for 2am closing of nightclubs, By , July 29, 2015, Source

This individual believes that all criminal and unsavory activities occur after 2:00 am to perhaps 5:00 am.

FM

Ramjattan needs to go back to private practice.   The guy has no clue about how to deal with crime.  It is a known fact that early closing leads to more intense drinking which is even more likely to provoke all the ills of which he complains about.

 

If he has a drinking problem, so be it, but the type of crime which concerns most people are violent robberies, the vast majority of which occur before 2AM.

 

Now what is Ramjattan doing about that, and contract killings, which is another scourge? 

 

Rather than being grumpy grandpa forcing his grand kids to go to bed early, he needs to be moving Guyana to become a country where people do fewer cash transactions, and leave cash where it is supposed to be.......the bank.

 

What is Ramjattan doing to introduce community based policing, and to ensure that there are patrols in known high crime areas?  What is he doing to improve the ability of the police force to employ modern methods of detection to increase the numbers of criminals caught?  What is Ramjattan doing to identify and seize illegally held weapons and to eradicate gun trafficking.

 

It seems to be that Ramjattan and Bulkan should be working together to develop initiatives to improve the state of the communities, especially in the urban areas, as it is known that broken communities create ample scope for crime.

 

But Ramjattan instead wants to close bars at 2 AM.  How often does domestic abuse not occur because the drunken husband came home and didn't like the food that his wife cooked. I doubt that he is eating at 4AM?

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:

Ramjattan needs to go back to private practice.   The guy has no clue about how to deal with crime.  It is a known fact that early closing leads to more intense drinking which is even more likely to provoke all the ills of which he complains about.

 

If he has a drinking problem, so be it, but the type of crime which concerns most people are violent robberies, the vast majority of which occur before 2AM.

 

Now what is Ramjattan doing about that, and contract killings, which is another scourge? 

 

Rather than being grumpy grandpa forcing his grand kids to go to bed early, he needs to be moving Guyana to become a country where people do fewer cash transactions, and leave cash where it is supposed to be.......the bank.

 

What is Ramjattan doing to introduce community based policing, and to ensure that there are patrols in known high crime areas?  What is he doing to improve the ability of the police force to employ modern methods of detection to increase the numbers of criminals caught?  What is Ramjattan doing to identify and seize illegally held weapons and to eradicate gun trafficking.

 

It seems to be that Ramjattan and Bulkan should be working together to develop initiatives to improve the state of the communities, especially in the urban areas, as it is known that broken communities create ample scope for crime.

 

But Ramjattan instead wants to close bars at 2 AM.  How often does domestic abuse not occur because the drunken husband came home and didn't like the food that his wife cooked. I doubt that he is eating at 4AM?

Anytime one begins a statement that it is a "known fact" to introduce a proposition it is most likely false. There is no evident that even if they drink more the curfew would not have some salutary effect to reducing traffic. Come to DC on a weekend and go into Georgetown. One minute it is packed shoulder to shoulder and come 2am it returns to quiet time. Juveniles have under 17 cannot be out after 12 on week days and 1 on week ends. If bars are open until 6 am the city could pull in a few millions more in taxes each week but the benefits of the 2am last call for bars has definite bonuses. None of the incidents and when they occur has a damn thing to do with the over all benefits to cleaning the streets and for delivery people to resupply their clients and most of all for local people to get some sleep.

 

 

FM

I can't believe that I agree with Carib on this:

 

Quote by Carib:

 

"Ramjattan needs to go back to private practice.   The guy has no clue about how to deal with crime.  It is a known fact that early closing leads to more intense drinking which is even more likely to provoke all the ills of which he complains about."

 

Carib, politics aside, you have called a spade here.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I can't believe that I agree with Carib on this:

 

Quote by Carib:

 

"Ramjattan needs to go back to private practice.   The guy has no clue about how to deal with crime.  It is a known fact that early closing leads to more intense drinking which is even more likely to provoke all the ills of which he complains about."

 

Carib, politics aside, you have called a spade here.

Perhaps it is the only truth that he has ever told..

R
Originally Posted by caribny:

Ramjattan needs to go back to private practice.   The guy has no clue about how to deal with crime.  It is a known fact that early closing leads to more intense drinking which is even more likely to provoke all the ills of which he complains about.

 

If he has a drinking problem, so be it, but the type of crime which concerns most people are violent robberies, the vast majority of which occur before 2AM.

 

Now what is Ramjattan doing about that, and contract killings, which is another scourge? 

 

Rather than being grumpy grandpa forcing his grand kids to go to bed early, he needs to be moving Guyana to become a country where people do fewer cash transactions, and leave cash where it is supposed to be.......the bank.

 

What is Ramjattan doing to introduce community based policing, and to ensure that there are patrols in known high crime areas?  What is he doing to improve the ability of the police force to employ modern methods of detection to increase the numbers of criminals caught?  What is Ramjattan doing to identify and seize illegally held weapons and to eradicate gun trafficking.

 

It seems to be that Ramjattan and Bulkan should be working together to develop initiatives to improve the state of the communities, especially in the urban areas, as it is known that broken communities create ample scope for crime.

 

But Ramjattan instead wants to close bars at 2 AM.  How often does domestic abuse not occur because the drunken husband came home and didn't like the food that his wife cooked. I doubt that he is eating at 4AM?

The benefits of this curfew are mostly quality of life related. It does not address the gang problem, proliferation of guns and drugs, money laundering and training of the police force which are among the many high priority items he should be addressing. Guyana has serious organized crime activities with tentacles everywhere and that warrant his immediate attention. Thus far it is hard to tell if it has.

FM
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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 Come to DC on a weekend and go into Georgetown. One minute it is packed shoulder to shoulder and come 2am it returns to quiet time.

 

Homicide rate in DC is double that of NYC.   So much for your 2AM.

 

Note that, due to gentrification, there has been far more displacement of poor people from DC than has been the case in NYC.  Crime occurring heavily in areas of high poverty.

 

Of course Ramjattan has no idea how to reduce the rate of gun related robberies, most occurring before 2AM.  Being a man with a reputation for hard drinking, he thinks that this is the biggest problem.

 

Most assuredly most of the violent crime in Guyana is committed by people who are ruthlessly sober.

FM
Originally Posted by Itaname:
 

The benefits of this curfew are mostly quality of life related. It does not address the gang problem, proliferation of guns and drugs, money laundering and training of the police force which are among the many high priority items he should be addressing. Guyana has serious organized crime activities with tentacles everywhere and that warrant his immediate attention. Thus far it is hard to tell if it has.

I would rather hear merry people going home at 4 AM, if it means that I am not rousted from my bed at 1 AM by criminals who insist that I have stashes of cash stored some where.

 

Ramjattan is going to ensure that the PPP returns in 2020 if he continues with this nonsense.

 

Some old men are miserable, and just cannot stand the fact that their days of youthful frivolity are over. That is not what concerns most Guyanese though.  They would rather not have to fear criminals robbing people on their way home from work, or just after they have withdrawn cash from the bank.  Or when their relatives arrive from overseas, to be harassed by people with guns threatening to kill unless cash is produced.

 

A UK based Guyanese returned to Guyana on a visit, having not seen his relatives for decades.  He was murdered LONG BEFORE 4 AM, and not by drunken revelers either.

 

This reminds me of Marie Antoinette in terms of how out of touch Ramjattan is.  Send him back to his law office and put Felix in his place.

FM
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Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Ramjattan needs to introduce zoning for the bars and move them away from bottom houses and residential areas.

That would make sense, but given the crime wave that has been hitting Guyana for several years, hardly a priority.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Ramjattan needs to introduce zoning for the bars and move them away from bottom houses and residential areas.

PPP had Dharmic Sabha & CIOG in their pocket...

 

and looked like they together agreed on the Zoning.

 

Under PPP new License & Permits were issued to.....

Bars, Rumshops & Short Time Places

next to the Mosque & Mandirs

and even in residential areas

where these business are run from home.

FM

Berbice Rum shop chopping spree… Woman among three remanded on attempted murder charge

July 30, 2015 | By | Filed Under News 

Three persons including a woman were on Friday last brought before the New Amsterdam Magistrate’s Court and charged with the attempted murder of Michael Dorway, 32, of Main Street, Cumberland, Berbice. They were remanded to prison until the matter is called again on August 5, 2015.

The trio was positively identified by the victim on an identification parade. While the men were the ones who inflicted the wounds on Dorway’s body, the female encouraged them to kill him. Kaieteur News understands that she was cheering loudly, and shouting “Kill he; kill he” while her accomplices proceeded to chop the man about his body with cutlasses.

Dorway was released last week from the Georgetown Public Hospital Corporation (GPHC) where he was hospitalized since July 10, 2015.

The badly injured man, who said that he is in a lot of pain, is at home almost helpless. He depends solely on his wife and other family members for assistance. Speaking with Kaieteur News yesterday, he told the reporter that his legs are not moving and his fingers are not functioning.

The traumatized man is saddened by the incident which quickly escalated from a simple request by him for a change in the type of music that was being played at the rum shop. Life has become hard for Dorway. “It’s little tight because every day I gotta go to New Amsterdam (hospital). And I am not even working; I can’t even think about working right now.”

According to reports, Michael Dorway, received chop wounds which a group of men and women had inflicted upon him following an argument at a ‘rum shop’.

Kaieteur News understands that Dorway on July 10, 2015, was imbibing alcohol at a rum shop some distance from his home when he requested a change in the type of music.

Apparently others were not pleased with his request and an argument broke out between him and them at the shop. He subsequently left.

The man’s wife, Kimmy, said that she was at home when she received a call and was told that her husband wanted to see her immediately; and that he was at the hospital. She said that when she arrived at the New Amsterdam Hospital her husband was in a terrible state. She was instructed to pack an emergency bag so that he could be transported to the GPHC for further treatment due to the severity of his condition. According to Mrs Dorway, her husband, while making his way home, three pickup trucks filled with men and women armed with cutlasses pulled up alongside him and the attack began.

He received chops to his back, right leg, the back of his head, face and wrist.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by caribny:
This reminds me of Marie Antoinette in terms of how out of touch Ramjattan is.

Perhaps, the reincarnation of Marie Antoinette.

Perhaps not!

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Berbice Rum shop chopping spree… Woman among three remanded on attempted murder charge

July 30, 2015 | By | Filed Under News 

Three persons including a woman were on Friday last brought before the New Amsterdam Magistrate’s Court and charged with the attempted murder of Michael Dorway, 32, of Main Street, Cumberland, Berbice. They were remanded to prison until the matter is called again on August 5, 2015.

 

OK I see that Guyana will be a puritanical state.  No drinking.  No dancing.  No fun.  Because there is no evidence that this incident happened after 2AM.  But every social ill will be tied to entertainment establishments.

 

This incident could well have happened on a minibus at 3PM.

 

So does Ramjattan and his fan club of grumpy grandpas think that all the ills will be solved by closing at 2AM.

 

As with the Prohibition era, activities will be driven under ground.  During the Grumpy Grandpa Giuliani era lots of nightlife was driven underground. 

 

I remember emerging from "nightclubs" in broad daylight in March on Saturday and Sunday mornings, having had a night of fun.  In an obviously illegal establishment, as it OPENED its doors at 3AM, waiting for the 4AM crowd, who didnt want to go home.

 

THIS is what forcing people to do what they dont want to do causes.

 

I will add that this establishment was no dive in Brooklyn.  It was a well appointed bar in Tribeca, with table service and the best of liquor.  Just that the entrance was a little door, and if they didnt know you, they didnt let you in.

 

We have yet to hear what Ramjattan plans to do to improve the police force and improve the arrest rate of those who commit crimes.   I hope when Harmon makes this announcement, all the Moses fanatics do not cry foul.  It is clear that Ramjattan isnt up to the job  any more than Rohee was.

FM
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