Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Was that fair? Was it not the right of us Guyanese voters to elect our own government? The US has a sordid history of interfering in other countries' affairs throughout the world. And the US has been consistently condemned in the United Nations for its actions worldwide.

Bhai , you are aware ,it was the influence of Communism in the Capitalist backyard. On to today supporters of the PPP ,can't comprehend "Marxist Ideology"

Where in the current and post-1991 PPP/C manifestos do you see any reference to Marxist ideology? Jagdeo, Irfaan, Mark Phillips, Nandlall etc aren't Marxists. 

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Was that fair? Was it not the right of us Guyanese voters to elect our own government? The US has a sordid history of interfering in other countries' affairs throughout the world. And the US has been consistently condemned in the United Nations for its actions worldwide.

Bhai , you are aware ,it was the influence of Communism in the Capitalist backyard. On to today supporters of the PPP ,can't comprehend "Marxist Ideology"

Where in the current and post-1991 PPP/C manifestos do you see any reference to Marxist ideology? Jagdeo, Irfaan, Mark Phillips, Nandlall etc aren't Marxists. 

Is that so ? how about the party constitution ?

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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Ponder on the causative why the PPP continuously won the elections from 1992 to 2015. With the demographic changes ,do you think the party can win ? will the window dressing help ?

The people who are being condemned daily are the ones that can make the PPP win future elections,they aren't fools ,they can think and are not blind ,the are aware of the ploy to be used and then discarded, in the game to grab power.

 addition to my prior post.

I assume that by demographic changes you mean lesser Indos in the population. And if that's the case you're incorrectly supposing that the PPP/C won general elections from 1992 to 2011 with Indo votes alone.

In fact thousands of Amerindians, Afros and Mixed-Race folks voted for the PPP/C.

What do you mean by the people who are being condemned daily? If you're referring to Afros the PPP/C isn't condemning them.

The PPP/C is condemning the PNC-dominated APNU+AFC daily. Big difference.

Doing a deep analysis ,Indo Guyanese ,the majority of the population vote solidly for the PPP. There was a tilt in the 2011 Elections ,it's claimed all have gone back to the PPP.

You need to look at the supporters of the PPP, you will see the condemnation. Well we don't have to go far look here on this forum.

So what percentage of Indians vote for AFC in 2015.

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Ponder on the causative why the PPP continuously won the elections from 1992 to 2015. With the demographic changes ,do you think the party can win ? will the window dressing help ?

The people who are being condemned daily are the ones that can make the PPP win future elections,they aren't fools ,they can think and are not blind ,the are aware of the ploy to be used and then discarded, in the game to grab power.

 addition to my prior post.

I assume that by demographic changes you mean lesser Indos in the population. And if that's the case you're incorrectly supposing that the PPP/C won general elections from 1992 to 2011 with Indo votes alone.

In fact thousands of Amerindians, Afros and Mixed-Race folks voted for the PPP/C.

What do you mean by the people who are being condemned daily? If you're referring to Afros the PPP/C isn't condemning them.

The PPP/C is condemning the PNC-dominated APNU+AFC daily. Big difference.

Doing a deep analysis ,Indo Guyanese ,the majority of the population vote solidly for the PPP. There was a tilt in the 2011 Elections ,it's claimed all have gone back to the PPP.

You need to look at the supporters of the PPP, you will see the condemnation. Well we don't have to go far look here on this forum.

According to Bisram, 75/80% Indos vote PPP while 95% Afros vote PNC. The PPP has Amerindian and others on their side, +5% Afros. 

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Dave posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Ponder on the causative why the PPP continuously won the elections from 1992 to 2015. With the demographic changes ,do you think the party can win ? will the window dressing

In fact thousands of Amerindians, Afros and Mixed-Race folks voted for the PPP/C.

What do you mean by the people who are being condemned daily? If you're referring to Afros the PPP/C isn't condemning them.

The PPP/C is condemning the PNC-dominated APNU+AFC daily. Big difference.

Doing a deep analysis ,Indo Guyanese ,the majority of the population vote solidly for the PPP. There was a tilt in the 2011 Elections ,it's claimed all have gone back to the PPP.

You need to look at the supporters of the PPP, you will see the condemnation. Well we don't have to go far look here on this forum.

So what percentage of Indians vote for AFC in 2015.

Estimates 5%

Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Ponder on the causative why the PPP continuously won the elections from 1992 to 2015. With the demographic changes ,do you think the party can win ? will the window dressing help ?

The people who are being condemned daily are the ones that can make the PPP win future elections,they aren't fools ,they can think and are not blind ,the are aware of the ploy to be used and then discarded, in the game to grab power.

 addition to my prior post.

I assume that by demographic changes you mean lesser Indos in the population. And if that's the case you're incorrectly supposing that the PPP/C won general elections from 1992 to 2011 with Indo votes alone.

In fact thousands of Amerindians, Afros and Mixed-Race folks voted for the PPP/C.

What do you mean by the people who are being condemned daily? If you're referring to Afros the PPP/C isn't condemning them.

The PPP/C is condemning the PNC-dominated APNU+AFC daily. Big difference.

Doing a deep analysis ,Indo Guyanese ,the majority of the population vote solidly for the PPP. There was a tilt in the 2011 Elections ,it's claimed all have gone back to the PPP.

You need to look at the supporters of the PPP, you will see the condemnation. Well we don't have to go far look here on this forum.

According to Bisram, 75/80% Indos vote PPP while 95% Afros vote PNC. The PPP has Amerindian and others on their side, +5% Afros. 

This proves that PNC is still a race based party.

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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Was that fair? Was it not the right of us Guyanese voters to elect our own government? The US has a sordid history of interfering in other countries' affairs throughout the world. And the US has been consistently condemned in the United Nations for its actions worldwide.

Bhai , you are aware ,it was the influence of Communism in the Capitalist backyard. On to today supporters of the PPP ,can't comprehend "Marxist Ideology"

Where in the current and post-1991 PPP/C manifestos do you see any reference to Marxist ideology? Jagdeo, Irfaan, Mark Phillips, Nandlall etc aren't Marxists. 

Is that so ? how about the party constitution ?

The  PPP Constitution is a relic like the Guyana Constitution. Both in need of reform. Even so, in its present form I am not bothered because the overwhelming majority of current PPP members don't read it. They're more focused on the  Party's actions that are as far away from Marxism as Guyana is far away from the red planet Mars.

Baseman posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Ponder on the causative why the PPP continuously won the elections from 1992 to 2015. With the demographic changes ,do you think the party can win ? will the window dressing

In fact thousands of Amerindians, Afros and Mixed-Race folks voted for the PPP/C.

What do you mean by the people who are being condemned daily? If you're referring to Afros the PPP/C isn't condemning them.

The PPP/C is condemning the PNC-dominated APNU+AFC daily. Big difference.

Doing a deep analysis ,Indo Guyanese ,the majority of the population vote solidly for the PPP. There was a tilt in the 2011 Elections ,it's claimed all have gone back to the PPP.

You need to look at the supporters of the PPP, you will see the condemnation. Well we don't have to go far look here on this forum.

So what percentage of Indians vote for AFC in 2015.

Estimates 5%

Base lets give them 10% - 

According to GECOM, AFC win 28,000 votes on 2011. that is 2,800 afro votes. 

Explain for me Django if 25,200 votes are Indians and in 2015 election, PPPC lost by a mere 4700, how is your analysis holding that PPPC only has a Indo support.

Dave posted:

According to GECOM, AFC win 28,000 votes on 2011. that is 2,800 afro votes. 

Explain for me Django if 25,200 votes are Indians and in 2015 election, PPPC lost by a mere 4700, how is your analysis holding that PPPC only has a Indo support.

Why don't you go to GECOM Website ,there are the results of the 2015 Elections for each polling station across all Regions ,you know Guyana in and out ,from doing that you can get an idea of the votes.

Everything folks have to teach you ? don't come with any crap ,have better things to do.

Django posted:
Dave posted:

According to GECOM, AFC win 28,000 votes on 2011. that is 2,800 afro votes. 

Explain for me Django if 25,200 votes are Indians and in 2015 election, PPPC lost by a mere 4700, how is your analysis holding that PPPC only has a Indo support.

Why don't you go to GECOM Website ,there are the results of the 2015 Elections for each polling station across all Regions ,you know Guyana in and out ,from doing that you can get an idea of the votes.

Everything folks have to teach you ? don't come with any crap ,have better things to do.

Why the attitude Mr Sensitive Moderator... i just throw out some numbers to you because you are the one who keeps dispel PPPC is not a diverse party. 

BTW, I live in reality....  take it easy brother. 

Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:

According to GECOM, AFC win 28,000 votes on 2011. that is 2,800 afro votes. 

Explain for me Django if 25,200 votes are Indians and in 2015 election, PPPC lost by a mere 4700, how is your analysis holding that PPPC only has a Indo support.

Why don't you go to GECOM Website ,there are the results of the 2015 Elections for each polling station across all Regions ,you know Guyana in and out ,from doing that you can get an idea of the votes.

Everything folks have to teach you ? don't come with any crap ,have better things to do.

Why the attitude Mr Sensitive Moderator... i just throw out some numbers to you because you are the one who keeps dispel PPPC is not a diverse party. 

BTW, I live in reality....  take it easy brother. 

Why do you throw stuff to Django ? time does be spent to find and analyze information before making statements . I don't depend on newspaper articles and talking heads. Dispute my statements.

Personally there is no attitude , you don't have to stitch in the Mr. xxx  to bolster you post , i made a fair rebuttal to the post.

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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

And the stinking PNC and their stinking Chronicle spreading LIES that PPP bringing Soca Artists!! I guess by nature they are LYING DOGS!!

It is in their DNA. Have they ever been honest with the Guyanese people? Have they ever win a fair election? Have they robbed the people and lied to their faces?

What happened in 1964 and 2015 ?

In 1964 they teamed up with UF. In 2015 they teamed up with AFC. We are discussing the PNC winning a free and fair election gaining a majority.

It is distressing  how little some know their history. The PR system was instituted to ensure thwart the ppp did not form the govt. it achieved its aim and the UF and PNC together formed the government that produced 28 years of PNC dictatorship. Now they want to return to the first past the post system, holding that it will solve the country’s problems. 

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Was that fair? Was it not the right of us Guyanese voters to elect our own government? The US has a sordid history of interfering in other countries' affairs throughout the world. And the US has been consistently condemned in the United Nations for its actions worldwide.

Bhai , you are aware ,it was the influence of Communism in the Capitalist backyard. On to today supporters of the PPP ,can't comprehend "Marxist Ideology"

Where in the current and post-1991 PPP/C manifestos do you see any reference to Marxist ideology? Jagdeo, Irfaan, Mark Phillips, Nandlall etc aren't Marxists. 

Is that so ? how about the party constitution ?

You need to differentiate between the party and the government. Once a  party wins and forms the government, they govern based on the basis of the objective reality for all the people, not just the interest of the party. The programme the candidate and the party puts forward a program applicable to the developmental needs of the whole nation. There is nothing in that programme that you will not find in a programme put forward by a social democrat party.

Nehru posted:

Socialism ROCKS!! Ask Bernie

Every society has an element of socialism. It’s not a bad word. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are all Socialists principles.  Obamacare/Trumpcare all the latest. 

The differentiating factor is how much of the economy will be centrally planned and private. 

I don’t think you can draw a line and define. 

America’s issue with countries like Guyana is not so much domestic politics, but geopolitical. Will the Government offer it’s rivals a beachheads under its nose.

Baseman posted:
Nehru posted:

Socialism ROCKS!! Ask Bernie

Every society has an element of socialism. It’s not a bad word. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are all Socialists principles.  Obamacare/Trumpcare all the latest. 

The differentiating factor is how much of the economy will be centrally planned and private. 

I don’t think you can draw a line and define. 

America’s issue with countries like Guyana is not so much domestic politics, but geopolitical. Will the Government offer it’s rivals a beachheads under its nose.

Jesus was a socialist and he only had 12 followers. So I don't think socialism was popular since the time of Jesus.