imagine this loudmouth, small intellect, small man had the gall to put this borderline treasonous nonsense in his Firm's critique of the Government's 2019 budget

being a key part of the caucusing GT 'overthrow' elite means never having to say sorry

uh huh

Original Post

Throughout its history, the GDF's only claim to fame is stealing ballot boxes during the 1973 elections. No amount of funding will ever make that incompetent group ready to even win a street fight much less a military campaign.

Ram has two advance degrees. Calling him small intellect speaks more of the person calling him small intellect especially since that person only whines like a woman about everything that doesn't support the PNC nonsense.

ronan posted:

imagine this loudmouth, small intellect, small man had the gall to put this borderline treasonous nonsense in his Firm's critique of the Government's 2019 budget

being a key part of the caucusing GT 'overthrow' elite means never having to say sorry

uh huh

Banna,

...people dont respond to your post because most of the time dem big words are a distraction...I am always resorting to the use of a dictionary...not a Guyanese one...but Noah Webster.

You did not post the relevant budget source here so we gon go risky here and ASSUME dat you pizzed at a low budget allocation for military (judging by your use of "treasonous").

Now...Guyana needs a strong military given the threat from Venezuela and possibly Suriname...i am sure money from the oil flow will be used to modernize the force in the future too...but do you really think that an increased budget allowance for the military will act as a deterrence to Venezuela?

You attacking de man as "loudmouth, small intellect, small man"...did you use the same words to describe him when he rightfully took on Jagdeo for his Bamboo John comments? 

Was he a "darling" then?

BTW, ah tekkin your suggestion for me to use Google to research...SN says ole man Granger was part of a commission that supported modernization and a BALANCED force.

Has the coalition been "treasonous" for not attempting to include balance in the force...or is the silence of the coalition on dis matter a reflection of the govt social cohesion policy? 

stuuupps!

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:

imagine this loudmouth, small intellect, small man had the gall to put this borderline treasonous nonsense in his Firm's critique of the Government's 2019 budget

being a key part of the caucusing GT 'overthrow' elite means never having to say sorry

uh huh

Banna,

...people dont respond to your post because most of the time dem big words are a distraction...I am always resorting to the use of a dictionary...not a Guyanese one...but Noah Webster.

What big words banna? 

VishMahabir posted:

You did not post the relevant budget source here so we gon go risky here and ASSUME dat you pizzed at a low budget allocation for military (judging by your use of "treasonous").

Now...Guyana needs a strong military given the threat from Venezuela and possibly Suriname...i am sure money from the oil flow will be used to modernize the force in the future too...but do you really think that an increased budget allowance for the military will act as a deterrence to Venezuela?

here you go

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/g...0#590444325741746690

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

You did not post the relevant budget source here so we gon go risky here and ASSUME dat you pizzed at a low budget allocation for military (judging by your use of "treasonous").

Now...Guyana needs a strong military given the threat from Venezuela and possibly Suriname...i am sure money from the oil flow will be used to modernize the force in the future too...but do you really think that an increased budget allowance for the military will act as a deterrence to Venezuela?

here you go

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/g...0#590444325741746690

Thanks...

I am no expert on budget and finance, but I do think Guyana needs a well equipped, more professional army for 2 reasons:

1) There are enemies at the door...a larger military will deter a country like Suriname on the east...one less country to worry about. Dealing with Venezuela, Brazil and others s potential enemies, in the face of oil finds, will require greater investments in the area of military security.

2) Most people live on the coast in Guyana....internally a strong and professional military can assist with activities in the interior, search and rescue, illicit drug smuggling, etc....

However, while I think Ram did not address this important question in his critique, there is a valid point to be made also for an equitable distribution of the budget....esp in the area of agriculture.

 

Snowy Roey, again I pose the question to you. What function does the GDF perform to justify their expensive keep? The last time you ran away from your own thread when this question was posed. These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans. They are absent as the syndicado invade our borders and rob miners, holding them hostage and extorting "fees" for safe river passage. Now why should the Guyanese fund these overgrown boys scouts to drink and sport while Guyana's security from foreign forces remains under duress. 

Drugb posted:

These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans.

yeah bai . . . and the solution for all this is to NOT provide funds for them to buy proper naval craft, rite?

you're a rale 'genius' banna

ronan posted:
Drugb posted:

These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans.

yeah bai . . . and the solution to this is NOT to provide the funds for them to buy proper naval craft

you're a rale 'genius' banna

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Drugb posted:
ronan posted:
Drugb posted:

These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans.

yeah bai . . . and the solution to this is NOT to provide the funds for them to buy proper naval craft

you're a rale 'genius' banna

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft,

is you NOT me who made that an issue

shifting goalposts much?

Drugb posted:

Snowy Roey, again I pose the question to you. What function does the GDF perform to justify their expensive keep? The last time you ran away from your own thread when this question was posed. These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans. They are absent as the syndicado invade our borders and rob miners, holding them hostage and extorting "fees" for safe river passage. Now why should the Guyanese fund these overgrown boys scouts to drink and sport while Guyana's security from foreign forces remains under duress. 

thats no reason why the nation does not need a strong military

VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:

Snowy Roey, again I pose the question to you. What function does the GDF perform to justify their expensive keep? The last time you ran away from your own thread when this question was posed. These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans. They are absent as the syndicado invade our borders and rob miners, holding them hostage and extorting "fees" for safe river passage. Now why should the Guyanese fund these overgrown boys scouts to drink and sport while Guyana's security from foreign forces remains under duress. 

thats no reason why the nation does not need a strong military

They may have failed in Ankara (Antoko?Ancoko?) but they put down a rebellion in the interior in the 1960s...no?

Drugb posted:
ronan posted:
Drugb posted:

These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans.

yeah bai . . . and the solution to this is NOT to provide the funds for them to buy proper naval craft

you're a rale 'genius' banna

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt fix these problems???

VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:
ronan posted:
Drugb posted:

These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans.

yeah bai . . . and the solution to this is NOT to provide the funds for them to buy proper naval craft

you're a rale 'genius' banna

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt fix these problems???

I meant     Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt NOT  fix these problems???

VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt fix these problems???

Because the GDF was an arm of the PNC slo fiah mo fiah apparatus to undermine the PPP government.

VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:

Snowy Roey, again I pose the question to you. What function does the GDF perform to justify their expensive keep? The last time you ran away from your own thread when this question was posed. These jackasses in the GDF were notably absent in the recent Exxon survey boat mishap with the Venezuelans. They are absent as the syndicado invade our borders and rob miners, holding them hostage and extorting "fees" for safe river passage. Now why should the Guyanese fund these overgrown boys scouts to drink and sport while Guyana's security from foreign forces remains under duress. 

thats no reason why the nation does not need a strong military

Like you missed your god's Granger's speech where he conceded that Guyana can never match its neighbors military might given the size of its economy and military spending.  With the exception of Suriname, of which the GDF is afraid, all Guyana's neighbors dwarfs it in the military aspect. From my perspective military spending must be justified, in Guyana's case it is not, the GDF are a bunch overgrown boys scouts who are fed, housed and sported at the expense of the taxpayers without providing value. 

ksazma posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt fix these problems???

Because the GDF was an arm of the PNC slo fiah mo fiah apparatus to undermine the PPP government.

Dem man couldn't kill an approaching jaguar with their AK47s. Do you think they will stand up and fight? They are all in there for the money and freeness. As usual, useless as tits on a bull.

skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt fix these problems???

Because the GDF was an arm of the PNC slo fiah mo fiah apparatus to undermine the PPP government.

Dem man couldn't kill an approaching jaguar with their AK47s. Do you think they will stand up and fight? They are all in there for the money and freeness. As usual, useless as tits on a bull.

recycled shakeabatty

alyuh REAL position is "no army" . . . why the dishonesty?

skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Drugb posted:

Besides the shortfall of not have a naval craft, what else has the GDF done for Guyana to justify its keep? They collaborated with the Buxton criminals and were instrumental in election riggings under the pnc version 1 tenure. Why do they even exist if they are useless and are a political arm of the pnc?

Suh....I am curious...why did the 23 year govt fix these problems???

Because the GDF was an arm of the PNC slo fiah mo fiah apparatus to undermine the PPP government.

Dem man couldn't kill an approaching jaguar with their AK47s. Do you think they will stand up and fight? They are all in there for the money and freeness. As usual, useless as tits on a bull.

Skelly, let's not be to harsh on dem boys. I did recall some time ago hearing about when the GDF retook the new river triangle from the Surinamese. Heard my dad talked about this. 1969 I think it was. GDF launched a surprised raid to seize an airstrip. Twin otters were involved and portuguese pilots? I need a historian. Where is Django?.

Sheik101 posted:

Skelly, let's not be to harsh on dem boys. I did recall some time ago hearing about when the GDF retook the new river triangle from the Surinamese. Heard my dad talked about this. 1969 I think it was. GDF launched a surprised raid to seize an airstrip. Twin otters were involved and portuguese pilots? I need a historian. Where is Django?.

Cap't Roland DaSilva

Drugb posted:
ronan posted:

recycled shakeabatty

alyuh REAL position is "no army" . . . why the dishonesty?

Tell us what value the GDF adds to Guyana. They only sport, eat, shyte and serve as a political arm of PNC. 

no need for the shakeabatty

why not just simply say that you agree with my conclusion?

The issue is the GDF was used to oppress the Indian masses and anyone who stood against PNC tyranny.  They are viewed as the enemy of the people, not of the external enemy.

Ronan, the GDF is the way it is due to their sins of the past.  Just in the 2000s they were aiding and abetting anti-Indo terrorism!

In any case, it matters not what is invested, the Venos far outmatch anything Guyana can throw at them.  This leaves Guyana with the Diplomatic solution and support from allies. 

However, the GDF will need some investment to be able to increase the pain on Veno should they try anything.

See the Veno military female brigade below:  Kaz will never fire a lead bullet against them!

Image result for venezuela military men under arms

1.6 Million Militia Members Ready to Defend Country:  This alone is 2X Guyana's entire population.

A case for Guyana having Nukes?

Sheik101 posted:
skeldon_man posted:
 

Dem man couldn't kill an approaching jaguar with their AK47s. Do you think they will stand up and fight? They are all in there for the money and freeness. As usual, useless as tits on a bull.

Skelly, let's not be to harsh on dem boys. I did recall some time ago hearing about when the GDF retook the new river triangle from the Surinamese. Heard my dad talked about this. 1969 I think it was. GDF launched a surprised raid to seize an airstrip. Twin otters were involved and portuguese pilots? I need a historian. Where is Django?.

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/the-guns-of-august

The Guns of August: Retaking the New River Triangle by Michael Chan-A-Sue

On the morning of 19 August 1969, before first light, a Guyana Defence Force (GDF) Helio Courier reconnaissance aircraft took off from Apoteri airstrip to establish whether the weather was suitable for an operation code-named Operation Climax. The weather proved adequate and at 05:25 hours two modified De Havilland DHC-6 Twin Otter utility aircraft of the Guyana Airways Corporation’s (GAC) fleet took off with 22 armed soldiers on board each aircraft. The lead aircraft was piloted by Majors Roland da Silva and Michael Chan-A-Sue and the second aircraft was piloted by Majors Philip Jardim and Anthony Mekdeci.

This was the culmination of weeks of logistical planning and military strategy following the discovery by the Guyana Defence Force (GDF) that an attempt was being made by the Surinamese to construct an airstrip in the disputed New River triangle…

Senior military officers did not believe that the Surinamese would escalate the conflict or that they possessed the wherewithal for such a formidable project.

Prior to this action, the Guyanese and Surinamese forces both maintained camps on opposite sides of the New River. They monitored each other’s movements while the politicians tried to resolve the dispute through diplomacy. In the search for a correct response to this audacious move by the Surinamese, several plans were made and discarded. It was not possible to approach the occupied area either by land or river in any strength, since the terrain was difficult to traverse and the Surinamese controlled the river. It must be remembered that this was in the pre-helicopter days of the GDF, and that an airborne assault was really unthinkable except in the minds of the Minister of Defence and the Chief Pilot of Guyana Airways Corporation.

Major Roland da Silva, the Chief Pilot, was convinced that such an assault could be made onto the unfinished airstrip using the STOL (Short Take Off and Landing) capability of the GAC Twin Otters.

Certain criteria had to be met. The timing of the raid had to coincide with the stage at which the Surinamese would have completed the first three hundred metres of the airstrip; a landing would not have been possible before this. A careful watch was kept on the progress of the airstrip while the planning of the raid continued. As soon as the airstrip approached a usable length, it was observed that the Surinamese blocked it with several 200-1itre metal drums.

Changes had to be made in the plans to cope with this new development. After some experimentation at the GDF’s Tacama Battle School, it was found that the Twin Otters’ propellers easily cleared a 200 L drum standing upright. It was necessary only for the pilot to manoeuvre the aircraft’s undercarriage between the drums to effect a landing. It was decided to demonstrate such an attack at the Battle School onto a 300m airstrip littered with drums. This proved successful and the operation was approved in principle.

Since it was vital that the final decision for the assault remained in the hands of the pilots, they were commissioned into the GDF in the rank of Major. Two companies of handpicked troops under Captain Martin Nascimento commenced a period of intense training at the Tacama Battle School. The interiors of the aircraft were stripped and the nose compartment of the lead aircraft was modified to carry a Light Machine Gun (LMG) and a gunner. Warrant Officer Hartley Liverpool was selected as the gunner. This ingenious modification was done by the GAC Chief Engineer, George Loy.

As the first signs of dawn appeared on the horizon, the two Twin Otters, with their main doors removed, were approaching the Surinamese airstrip at an altitude of 2,133m (7,000 feet). The plan was to approach the airstrip in a low-powered descent from the east, taking advantage of the sun behind us and the rising smoke at the upwind end of the runway. This smoke was produced by the burning of wood that had been bulldozed in the construction of the airstrip. The aircraft broke out of the smoke at 60m (200 feet) high and 800 metres from the touch-down point. Before us was an unfinished airstrip covered with drums, as we had anticipated. The big surprise was that it was also covered with rows of survey poles which our primitive pre-raid reconnaissance failed to detect.

We were now committed and the aircraft touched down among the drums, knocking the poles away with the main landing gear. Reverse power was applied in the landing flare, just prior to touchdown. The soldiers then exited from the open doorway while the aircraft was still on the roll. At this stage, we were rolling uphill when Surinamese soldiers appeared on the rise. The sound of machine gunfire blended into the howl of the engines in full reverse and the smell of cordite filled the cockpit. Only then did we realise that our nose gunner had opened fire. The Surinamese disappeared into the jungle on either side of the airstrip.

The aircraft started to roll slowly backwards down the slope and actually ran over Captain Martin Nascimento who had been knocked to the ground by one of the disembarking soldiers. Fortunately, no serious injury was incurred, because of the low tyre pressure of the balloon-type tyres used on the Twin Otter. As soon as the last soldier was out the door, full power was applied and the Twin Otter leapt off the remaining length of the airstrip. Our troops rapidly cleared a path through the drums for the second aircraft that was right behind us. This aircraft also made a successful landing, discharging its troops on the roll.

As the two aircraft departed into the dawn, the assault troops fanned out and surrounded the Surinamese camp. To herald their arrival, the Guyanese fired into the tops of the buildings in an attempt to force the Surinamese to surrender. The now-alerted Surinamese returned the gunfire and, goaded by their officers, rallied to the defence of their camp. A firefight now appeared to be imminent and the Guyanese troops, in an effort to avoid casualties on both sides, demonstrated their superior fire power by laying down a barrage of mortar fire into the river immediately behind the Surinamese encampment. Realising that any further resistance was futile, the Surinamese fled to their boats and abandoned the camp. Despite all the shooting, the sole fatality was a Surinamese who drowned when the boat in which he was escaping, overturned.

The two Twin Otters returned safely to their base camp at Apoteri and returned to shuttle more troops and equipment into the now reclaimed, but unfinished, airstrip. This airstrip was eventually completed by the GDF and is in use today as the Jaguar airstrip on the New River Triangle.

Here you go Sheik.

Baseman posted:

The issue is the GDF was used to oppress the Indian masses and anyone who stood against PNC tyranny.  They are viewed as the enemy of the people, not of the external enemy.

Ronan, the GDF is the way it is due to their sins of the past.  Just in the 2000s they were aiding and abetting anti-Indo terrorism!

In any case, it matters not what is invested, the Venos far outmatch anything Guyana can throw at them.  This leaves Guyana with the Diplomatic solution and support from allies. 

However, the GDF will need some investment to be able to increase the pain on Veno should they try anything.

See the Veno military female brigade below:  Kaz will never fire a lead bullet against them!

Image result for venezuela military men under arms

1.6 Million Militia Members Ready to Defend Country:  This alone is 2X Guyana's entire population.

A case for Guyana having Nukes?

Kasz will have to take a back seat in this case . If those are what the GDF will be going up against, then I will return to Guyana, join the GDF and demand to be sent to the front lines immediately. Once there, I will surrender without a fight, and further demand to be taken prisoner.

Django posted:
Sheik101 posted:
skeldon_man posted:
 

Dem man couldn't kill an approaching jaguar with their AK47s. Do you think they will stand up and fight? They are all in there for the money and freeness. As usual, useless as tits on a bull.

Skelly, let's not be to harsh on dem boys. I did recall some time ago hearing about when the GDF retook the new river triangle from the Surinamese. Heard my dad talked about this. 1969 I think it was. GDF launched a surprised raid to seize an airstrip. Twin otters were involved and portuguese pilots? I need a historian. Where is Django?.

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/the-guns-of-august

The Guns of August: Retaking the New River Triangle by Michael Chan-A-Sue

On the morning of 19 August 1969, before first light, a Guyana Defence Force (GDF) Helio Courier reconnaissance aircraft took off from Apoteri airstrip to establish whether the weather was suitable for an operation code-named Operation Climax. The weather proved adequate and at 05:25 hours two modified De Havilland DHC-6 Twin Otter utility aircraft of the Guyana Airways Corporation’s (GAC) fleet took off with 22 armed soldiers on board each aircraft. The lead aircraft was piloted by Majors Roland da Silva and Michael Chan-A-Sue and the second aircraft was piloted by Majors Philip Jardim and Anthony Mekdeci.

This was the culmination of weeks of logistical planning and military strategy following the discovery by the Guyana Defence Force (GDF) that an attempt was being made by the Surinamese to construct an airstrip in the disputed New River triangle…

Senior military officers did not believe that the Surinamese would escalate the conflict or that they possessed the wherewithal for such a formidable project.

Prior to this action, the Guyanese and Surinamese forces both maintained camps on opposite sides of the New River. They monitored each other’s movements while the politicians tried to resolve the dispute through diplomacy. In the search for a correct response to this audacious move by the Surinamese, several plans were made and discarded. It was not possible to approach the occupied area either by land or river in any strength, since the terrain was difficult to traverse and the Surinamese controlled the river. It must be remembered that this was in the pre-helicopter days of the GDF, and that an airborne assault was really unthinkable except in the minds of the Minister of Defence and the Chief Pilot of Guyana Airways Corporation.

Major Roland da Silva, the Chief Pilot, was convinced that such an assault could be made onto the unfinished airstrip using the STOL (Short Take Off and Landing) capability of the GAC Twin Otters.

Certain criteria had to be met. The timing of the raid had to coincide with the stage at which the Surinamese would have completed the first three hundred metres of the airstrip; a landing would not have been possible before this. A careful watch was kept on the progress of the airstrip while the planning of the raid continued. As soon as the airstrip approached a usable length, it was observed that the Surinamese blocked it with several 200-1itre metal drums.

Changes had to be made in the plans to cope with this new development. After some experimentation at the GDF’s Tacama Battle School, it was found that the Twin Otters’ propellers easily cleared a 200 L drum standing upright. It was necessary only for the pilot to manoeuvre the aircraft’s undercarriage between the drums to effect a landing. It was decided to demonstrate such an attack at the Battle School onto a 300m airstrip littered with drums. This proved successful and the operation was approved in principle.

Since it was vital that the final decision for the assault remained in the hands of the pilots, they were commissioned into the GDF in the rank of Major. Two companies of handpicked troops under Captain Martin Nascimento commenced a period of intense training at the Tacama Battle School. The interiors of the aircraft were stripped and the nose compartment of the lead aircraft was modified to carry a Light Machine Gun (LMG) and a gunner. Warrant Officer Hartley Liverpool was selected as the gunner. This ingenious modification was done by the GAC Chief Engineer, George Loy.

As the first signs of dawn appeared on the horizon, the two Twin Otters, with their main doors removed, were approaching the Surinamese airstrip at an altitude of 2,133m (7,000 feet). The plan was to approach the airstrip in a low-powered descent from the east, taking advantage of the sun behind us and the rising smoke at the upwind end of the runway. This smoke was produced by the burning of wood that had been bulldozed in the construction of the airstrip. The aircraft broke out of the smoke at 60m (200 feet) high and 800 metres from the touch-down point. Before us was an unfinished airstrip covered with drums, as we had anticipated. The big surprise was that it was also covered with rows of survey poles which our primitive pre-raid reconnaissance failed to detect.

We were now committed and the aircraft touched down among the drums, knocking the poles away with the main landing gear. Reverse power was applied in the landing flare, just prior to touchdown. The soldiers then exited from the open doorway while the aircraft was still on the roll. At this stage, we were rolling uphill when Surinamese soldiers appeared on the rise. The sound of machine gunfire blended into the howl of the engines in full reverse and the smell of cordite filled the cockpit. Only then did we realise that our nose gunner had opened fire. The Surinamese disappeared into the jungle on either side of the airstrip.

The aircraft started to roll slowly backwards down the slope and actually ran over Captain Martin Nascimento who had been knocked to the ground by one of the disembarking soldiers. Fortunately, no serious injury was incurred, because of the low tyre pressure of the balloon-type tyres used on the Twin Otter. As soon as the last soldier was out the door, full power was applied and the Twin Otter leapt off the remaining length of the airstrip. Our troops rapidly cleared a path through the drums for the second aircraft that was right behind us. This aircraft also made a successful landing, discharging its troops on the roll.

As the two aircraft departed into the dawn, the assault troops fanned out and surrounded the Surinamese camp. To herald their arrival, the Guyanese fired into the tops of the buildings in an attempt to force the Surinamese to surrender. The now-alerted Surinamese returned the gunfire and, goaded by their officers, rallied to the defence of their camp. A firefight now appeared to be imminent and the Guyanese troops, in an effort to avoid casualties on both sides, demonstrated their superior fire power by laying down a barrage of mortar fire into the river immediately behind the Surinamese encampment. Realising that any further resistance was futile, the Surinamese fled to their boats and abandoned the camp. Despite all the shooting, the sole fatality was a Surinamese who drowned when the boat in which he was escaping, overturned.

The two Twin Otters returned safely to their base camp at Apoteri and returned to shuttle more troops and equipment into the now reclaimed, but unfinished, airstrip. This airstrip was eventually completed by the GDF and is in use today as the Jaguar airstrip on the New River Triangle.

Here you go Sheik.

Thanks Django. Much appreciated.

Baseman posted:

The issue is the GDF was used to oppress the Indian masses and anyone who stood against PNC tyranny.  They are viewed as the enemy of the people, not of the external enemy.

Ronan, the GDF is the way it is due to their sins of the past.  Just in the 2000s they were aiding and abetting anti-Indo terrorism!

In any case, it matters not what is invested, the Venos far outmatch anything Guyana can throw at them.  This leaves Guyana with the Diplomatic solution and support from allies. 

However, the GDF will need some investment to be able to increase the pain on Veno should they try anything.

See the Veno military female brigade below:  Kaz will never fire a lead bullet against them!

Image result for venezuela military men under arms

1.6 Million Militia Members Ready to Defend Country:  This alone is 2X Guyana's entire population.

A case for Guyana having Nukes?

Well, not against them.

Baseman posted:

The issue is the GDF was used to oppress the Indian masses and anyone who stood against PNC tyranny.  They are viewed as the enemy of the people, not of the external enemy.

Ronan, the GDF is the way it is due to their sins of the past.  Just in the 2000s they were aiding and abetting anti-Indo terrorism!

In any case, it matters not what is invested, the Venos far outmatch anything Guyana can throw at them.  This leaves Guyana with the Diplomatic solution and support from allies. 

However, the GDF will need some investment to be able to increase the pain on Veno should they try anything.

the art of dissimulation is obviously not your strong suit

lessee, you don't want the 'Afro' GDF because they "oppress" [Indian] masses and facilitate "anti-Indo terrorism"

but you still want dem patriotic blackman to "increase the pain" on Maduro's army if the Venos try anything

so, like Jagdeo (tacitly), Christopher Ram, et al, you support keeping them on starvation rations to serve as cannon fodder just in case things get hot

but you can't really cop to that in plain, unambiguous language because it sounds treasonous

y'all are a sick, sick bunch of people

ronan posted:
Drugb posted:
ronan posted:

recycled shakeabatty

alyuh REAL position is "no army" . . . why the dishonesty?

Tell us what value the GDF adds to Guyana. They only sport, eat, shyte and serve as a political arm of PNC. 

no need for the shakeabatty

why not just simply say that you agree with my conclusion?

And therein lies the bane of your existence.  When in doubt pull out the shakeabatty card and avoid answering the question about the value that GDF adds to Guyana to justify feeding, clothing, housing and sporting these burden to society. 

Drugb posted:
ronan posted:
Drugb posted:
ronan posted:

recycled shakeabatty

alyuh REAL position is "no army" . . . why the dishonesty?

Tell us what value the GDF adds to Guyana. They only sport, eat, shyte and serve as a political arm of PNC. 

no need for the shakeabatty

why not just simply say that you agree with my conclusion?

And therein lies the bane of your existence.  When in doubt pull out the shakeabatty card

the "shakeabatty card" . . . hmmm, that's a nice wan

you improvin

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