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Libyan rebels round up black Africans
By BEN HUBBARD - Associated Press | AP – Thu, Sep 1, 2011

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Rebel forces and armed civilians are rounding up thousands of black Libyans and migrants from sub-Sahara Africa, accusing them of fighting for ousted strongman Moammar Gadhafi and holding them in makeshift jails across the capital.
Virtually all of the detainees say they are innocent migrant workers, and in most cases there is no evidence that they are lying. But that is not stopping the rebels from placing the men in facilities like the Gate of the Sea sports club, where about 200 detainees — all black — clustered on a soccer field this week, bunching against a high wall to avoid the scorching sun.
Handling the prisoners is one of the first major tests for the rebel leaders, who are scrambling to set up a government that they promise will respect human rights and international norms, unlike the dictatorship they overthrew.
The rebels' National Transitional Council has called on fighters not to abuse prisoners and says those accused of crimes will receive fair trials.There has been little credible evidence of rebels killing or systematically abusing captives during the six-month conflict. Still, the African Union and Amnesty International have protested the treatment of blacks inside Libya, saying there is a potential for serious abuse.
Aladdin Mabrouk, a spokesman for Tripoli's military council, said no one knows how many people have been detained in the city, but he guessed more than 5,000. While no central registry exists, he said neighborhood councils he knows have between 200 and 300 prisoners each. The city of 1.8 million has dozens of such groups.
Justice Minister Mohammed al-Alagi told reporters this week that he'd visited several detention centers and found conditions "up to international standards."
"We are building a Libya of tolerance and freedom, not of revenge," he said.
Oil-rich but with a relatively small population of 6.6. million, Gadhafi's Libya welcomed hundreds of thousands of black Africans looking for work in recent decades. Many young citizens of Mali and Niger who flocked to Libya in the 1970s and 1980s were recruited into an "Islamic Legion" modeled on the French Foreign Legion. In addition, Gadhafi's military recruited heavily from black tribes in Libya's south.
In February, witnesses reported African fighters shooting at protesters or being captured by anti-Gadhafi forces. Witnesses have described scores of mercenaries being flown in to put down the rebellion, although many of the fighters already were in Libya.
As a result, people with roots in sub-Saharan Africa and black Libyan citizens have been targeted by rebel forces in the messy and confusing fight for control of the country.
In the Khallat al-Firjan neighborhood in south Tripoli, Associated Press reporters saw rebel forces punching a dozen black men before determining they were innocent migrant workers and releasing them.
The Gate of the Sea club near Tripoli's fishing port became a lockup Monday night, when residents rounded up people in the surrounding area.
Guards at the club said they looked for unfamiliar faces, then asked for IDs. Those without papers or whose legal residences were distant cities were marched to the club.
This week, an armed guard stood by a short hallway that led through two metal gates onto a soccer field surrounded by high walls. There was no roof, so the detainees clustered against the wall to get out of the heat.
One black Libyan from the southern city of Sebha said he had worked for a Tripoli cleaning company. A French-speaking man from Niger said he had a shop nearby. One black Libyan said he was in the army but quit during the uprising.
In an office nearby where sports trophies still lined the shelves, Ibrahim al-Rais, a 60-year-old fisherman, acted as prison director. A bag held wallets and IDs taken from the captives. Another was stuffed with cellphones, which occasionally rang.
He acknowledged that many of the detainees were likely innocent migrant workers stranded in the country but he insisted that a "big percentage" were mercenaries.
"These people were fighting against our people," he said.
As proof, his team pointed to ID cards issued in Libya's south that he said were fake and a document issued by the Niger Embassy in Tripoli. He said Gadhafi gave many mercenaries Libyan IDs so they could fight. He also said many had been carrying dollars or euros — which al-Rais said were mercenary wages.
Sabri Taha, a fish merchant in shorts and flip-flops who was guarding prisoners, said one had a video on his phone of a soldier shooting children. When asked by an AP reporter to play it, he couldn't find it. The prisoner said he didn't know how the video got on his phone.
In another detainee's wallet, Taha said he found a photo of the detainee in a green military uniform and accused him of fighting for Gadhafi. The detainee said he had manned a regime checkpoint, but had defected to the rebels when they reached the city.
The captors insist their prison is temporary and that the local military council will question the detainees before releasing them or transferring them elsewhere.
In the meantime, they started a handwritten list of the men's names, ages and nationalities.
"You see, we have no experience, but we have figured out how to get organized," said Abu-Bakir Zaroug, a local volunteer.
They still didn't know how many prisoners they held.
"The danger is that there is no oversight by any authorities, and the people who are carrying out the arrests — more like abductions — are not trained to respect human rights," said Diana Eltahawy of Amnesty International. "They are people who carry a lot of anger against people they believe committed atrocities."
For about a week, the Tripoli Local Prison has been receiving inmates and now holds about 300, said Anwar Bin Naji, a former prison employee who helps run the facility. About 50 are Libyans. The rest are from Ghana, Nigeria, Niger and other African countries.
"They are all arrested by rebels or by civilians who love the homeland," Naji said.
As he spoke, two rebel trucks carrying about a dozen black men entered the prison, honking their horns.
"Those are all mercenaries, or most of them," he said before speaking to the men.
In the cellblock, captives clustered by the barred doors of their cells. All said they were migrant workers who had come to Libya to work. Some said they'd lived here for years.
They said they hadn't been beaten, and were given simple food once or twice a day. They had drinking water, but none for bathing, they said.
Of the 28 people in one five-meter-by-six meter (15-foot-by-18-foot) cell, one had blistering burns on his face, neck and arm. Naji, the guard, said volunteers were still setting up a medical clinic.
The burned man, Ahmed Ali, said he'd come to Libya from his native Chad two years ago and worked as a house painter before the uprising.
"When the rebels entered Tripoli, some guys came and burned down my house," he said. He escaped and ran to some rebel fighters, hoping they'd protect him.
"They brought me here," he said, adding that he'd received no medical care in the six days since his arrest.
"They believe that most of the black in Libya are mercenaries, so now all the blacks on the street, they pick them up," he said.

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Originally posted by Lucas:
I knew it. This was a pro-white revolution. African resources for the Europeans. Right wing Libyans want to be white.

Mercenaries bai, nuff african mercenaries. I'm sure it's mostly young men and they will vett and be treated fairly. It's only prudent they take precautions.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
quote:
Originally posted by Lucas:
I knew it. This was a pro-white revolution. African resources for the Europeans. Right wing Libyans want to be white.

Mercenaries bai, nuff african mercenaries. I'm sure it's mostly young men and they will vett and be treated fairly. It's only prudent they take precautions.

Libya is no longer African. So to celebrate their Europization they practice European style racism.
FM
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Originally posted by Lucas:
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by Lucas:
I knew it. This was a pro-white revolution. African resources for the Europeans. Right wing Libyans want to be white.

Mercenaries bai, nuff african mercenaries. I'm sure it's mostly young men and they will vett and be treated fairly. It's only prudent they take precautions.

Libya is no longer African. So to celebrate their Europization they practice European style racism.

Which means then Gadhafi was taking the nation down a path not supported by the majority of the people, which means, contrary to your assertions, the uprising must have been popular. I doubt it was to do with Libyan racism, more with the strategic direction of their nation.
FM
Alot of innocent black people working in Libya are going to get beat up really bad and then deported by the Libyan rebels. Many South Asians fled at the out break of the war. The poor South Asians who did not have the money to flee are going to be beaten up and deported after the rebels are finished with the blacks.
Wally
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Originally posted by Wally:
Alot of innocent black people working in Libya are going to get beat up really bad and then deported by the Libyan rebels. Many South Asians fled at the out break of the war. The poor South Asians who did not have the money to flee are going to be beaten up and deported after the rebels are finished with the blacks.

Nah, these guys want to make a good impression. There will be humanity.
FM
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Originally posted by Wally:
I hope you are right Baseman.

Don't jump the gun. Remember, Gadhafi brought in lots of mercenaries, so there is some mistrust. I think it will all get sorted out.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by Wally:
Alot of innocent black people working in Libya are going to get beat up really bad and then deported by the Libyan rebels. Many South Asians fled at the out break of the war. The poor South Asians who did not have the money to flee are going to be beaten up and deported after the rebels are finished with the blacks.


Nah, these guys want to make a good impression. There will be humanity.


They are just sending a clear message to Black Africa: "We do not like blacks".
FM
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Originally posted by Lucas:
I knew it. This was a pro-white revolution. African resources for the Europeans. Right wing Libyans want to be white.



They were rounding up and killing black Africans under Gadaffy too. This is just how Arabs treat blacks.

There were massacres in 2000.

http://www.racialicious.com/20...ards-black-africans/
Of course our "black" President Obama has nothing to say about this.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by Wally:
I hope you are right Baseman.

Don't jump the gun. Remember, Gadhafi brought in lots of mercenaries, so there is some mistrust. I think it will all get sorted out.


No it will not. Libyans killed blacks under Gaddafi and they do so again. The mercenary bit is just an excuse.
FM
Welcome to our racist 'democracy'

The African Union (AU) will not recognize the TNC; in fact, it charges the NATO rebels of indiscriminate killing of black Africans, all bundled up as "mercenaries".

According to the AU's Jean Ping, " ... the TNC seems to confuse black people with mercenaries ... [They seem to think] all blacks are mercenaries. If you do that it means one-third of the population of Libya which is black is also mercenaries."

The small port of Sayad, 25 kilometers west of Tripoli, has become a refugee camp for black Africans terrified of "free Libya". Doctors Without Borders found out about the camp on August 27. Refugees say that since February they started to be expelled by the owners of the businesses they were working in, accused of being mercenaries - and they have been harassed ever since.

According to rebel mythology, the Muammar Gaddafi regime was essentially protected by murtazaka ("mercenaries"). The reality is that Gaddafi did employ a contingent of black African fighters - from Chad, Sudan and Tuaregs from Niger and Mali. The majority of black Sub-Saharan Africans in Libya are migrant workers holding legal jobs.

To see where this thing is going, one has to look at the desert. The immense southern Libyan desert was not conquered by NATO. The TNC has no access to virtually all of Libya's water and a lot of oil.

Gaddafi has a chance of "working the desert", of negotiating with a number of tribes, to buy or consolidate their allegiance and organize a sustained guerrilla war.

Algeria is involved in a vicious fight against al-Qaeda in the Maghreb. Algeria's vast, porous, 1,000 kilometer-long border with Libya remains open. Gaddafi can easily base his guerrillas in the southern desert with a safe haven in Algeria - or even in Niger. The TNC is already terrified of this possibility.

NATO's "humanitarian" operation has unleashed at least 30,000 bombs over Libya over these past few months. It's safe to say that many thousands of Libyans have been killed by the bombing. The bombing never stops; soon NATO may be targeting some of those - civilians or not - it was in theory "protecting" until a few days ago.

A defeated Big G can reveal himself to be even more dangerous than a Big G in power. The real war starts now. It will be infinitely more dramatic - and tragic. Because now it will be a Darwinian, northern African, war of all against all.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).
FM
You may be correct, Gadhafi could be planning an insurrection from the border areas. It could be difficult though as there are large distances of open desert which will leave him exposed. The Libyans will contract the US hawk-eyes predator drones to help keep watch reducing Gadhafi to an annoyance over time.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
You may be correct, Gadhafi could be planning an insurrection from the border areas. It could be difficult though as there are large distances of open desert which will leave him exposed. The Libyans will contract the US hawk-eyes predator drones to help keep watch reducing Gadhafi to an annoyance over time.

Gaddafi will be eradicated along with his beloved blacks.
FM
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Originally posted by Lucas:
quote:
Originally posted by baseman:
You may be correct, Gadhafi could be planning an insurrection from the border areas. It could be difficult though as there are large distances of open desert which will leave him exposed. The Libyans will contract the US hawk-eyes predator drones to help keep watch reducing Gadhafi to an annoyance over time.

Gaddafi will be eradicated along with his beloved blacks.

Hmm, maybe he shudda quit while he was ahead.
FM
Guys, Gaddafi is 69 years old there is no come back for him as a 70 year old. He and his family are finished. His children squandered alot of the Libyan people money on nonsense. Gaddafi squandered alot of the Libyan people money on stupid wars. Nevertheless, I think his ideas of sharing the country's wealth with the people of the country will never die. When the Libyan people start to pay full price for everything then they will value Gaddafi's green book and his ideas. Maybe in the future some of his ideas will be adopted by the Libyan people again. One thing I know for sure he will never be forgotten by many black Africans. As a matter of fact, he will never be forgotten by people of colour all over the world for his rock of support against the sub-human genocidal racist former South African government. For that I say well done Mr. Gaddafi well done. You will never be forgotten.
Wally
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Originally posted by Lucas:
I knew it. This was a pro-white revolution. African resources for the Europeans. Right wing Libyans want to be white.


You know nothing. Immigrants should stay out of Libiyans politics. It is not their fight. They should be supporting that monster, when Obama is trying to oust him.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
quote:
Originally posted by Lucas:
I knew it. This was a pro-white revolution. African resources for the Europeans. Right wing Libyans want to be white.


You know nothing. Immigrants should stay out of Libiyans politics. It is not their fight. They should be supporting that monster, when Obama is trying to oust him.

@ Lucas, be careful of your hatred of the West, it may cause you to sleep with, and get screwed by the devil himself. This characteristic was the fatal flaw of a decent man, Cheddie Jagan....you know him!!
FM
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Originally posted by Wally:
One thing I know for sure he will never be forgotten by many black Africans LEADERS.


What did Gaddafi do in 2000 when his people were killing blacks? Yes he indulged many an African leader, building huge palaces for them.
FM
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Originally posted by Alexander:
Gaddafi wanted the Somalis to fight for him in the name of black brotherhood, but he was not successful.

Caribj and Alexander's excremental imaginations know no limits.
FM

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