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Ok folks

 

As a Guyanese and Canadian, I strongly condemn the acts of terrorism that occurred in Paris.

 

There appears differences as to what constitutes labelling someone a terrorist but a terrorist is a terrorist period.

 

While a few GNI posters are speaking in solidarity with the People of Paris, their call for and condemnation of these acts of terrorism fall short of a total condemnation of these acts of terrorism.

 

They know who they are and where posts reflect their hals hearted condemnation of these acts of terrorism.

 

What is very troubling is that these acts are committed by those who claim to kill in the name of Allah. This is at the heart of the discussions today. Why is it that most terrorists are muslims ?

 

I do not have the answer to that question. 

 

What is clear that a radical group of muslim extremists are breeding terrorism and the Middle East which is the heart of Islam seems to train, harbour and unleash terrorists on those who are non-muslims in the West.

 

The terrorist attacks in Mumbai were unleashed by Pakistani Terrorists who were allegedly shielded by the government of Pakistan. Again, these were Muslim terrorists.

 

I have been a strong defender of Islam in all of this but I am getting tired since there is a clear trend. Muslims, Mosques, the Islamic communities, Islamic Governments etc must also take responsibility and become more active in rooting out terrorism in the breeding grounds of the middle east.

 

I strongly condemn all acts of terrorism in the world and I also appeal to Muslims to become more vocal in their condemnation of the root cause of terrorism.

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Did you condemn the mass shooting at schools throughout the United State children when they are studying?

Did you condemn Israel for killing Palestinian children?

Did you condemn the American for killing millions of civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria? The refugees crisis is part of America's fault.

Did you condemn the Grainger government for unleashing terrorism on the Indians?

I didn't want your answer. Keep it in mind.
FM
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Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Why is it that most terrorists are muslims ?

 

That is only because when non-Muslims do the same thing you are trained to not see it as terrorism.

Bhai Kaz,

 

If by any chance you are referring to the acts of terrorism committed against the people of Palestine, I have condemned that in no uncertain terms.

 

I have also condemned acts of terrorism committed against the people of Israel.

 

I condemned ALL acts of terrorism.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Why is it that most terrorists are muslims ?

 

That is only because when non-Muslims do the same thing you are trained to not see it as terrorism.

Bhai Kaz,

 

If by any chance you are referring to the acts of terrorism committed against the people of Palestine, I have condemned that in no uncertain terms.

 

I have also condemned acts of terrorism committed against the people of Israel.

 

I condemned ALL acts of terrorism.

Still your premise above is incorrect. Over the past 3 years, most of the terrorist attacks in the Us and perhaps Canada were by non-Muslims. Those not labeled as terrorism on the basis of the background of their perpetrators may be no fault of yours. Your comment above is your fault though.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Why is it that most terrorists are muslims ?

 

That is only because when non-Muslims do the same thing you are trained to not see it as terrorism.

Bhai Kaz,

 

If by any chance you are referring to the acts of terrorism committed against the people of Palestine, I have condemned that in no uncertain terms.

 

I have also condemned acts of terrorism committed against the people of Israel.

 

I condemned ALL acts of terrorism.

Still your premise above is incorrect. Over the past 3 years, most of the terrorist attacks in the Us and perhaps Canada were by non-Muslims. Those not labeled as terrorism on the basis of the background of their perpetrators may be no fault of yours. Your comment above is your fault though.

At this stage of the discussion, we have to disagree. 

 

Last time I checked, in Canada, the act of terrorism was committed by a muslim convert and sympathizer of terrorism. Our parliament was attacked by a terrorist.

 

 

911 in the USA was committed by muslim terrorists. Least we forget.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Yuji sound like Obama when he said he strongly condemn this act of terrorism and ISIS just disappeared. Watch how all the politicians will make a tragic moment work for them on the campaign trail.

Cobra Bhai,

 

I am quite disappointed in your responses to what occurred in Paris. It appears to be inhumane. I support and admire President's Obama position and he is in the company of those who support free speech and democracy.

 

I am speaking out against terrorism and I am also in good company when I do so.

 

Go and try living in the middle east especially places like Saudi Arabia and try to speak out on the Saudi government and see what happens to you.

 

We are fortunate to live in the west and must support the values of freedom of speech and religion.

 

Please act responsibly since there are laws in the USA which can have you arrested for some of what you are posting on GNI.

 

I know that you can do a lot better than this.

FM
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Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 

911 in the USA was committed by muslim terrorists. Least we forget.

911 was 14 years ago. what is the record in the US over the past 5 years? How many of those terrorist attacks were by Muslims compared to non-Muslims?

The liberals apply a very broad definition of terrorism to include almost every killing to make it seem Islamic terrorism not that bad.  Well, they ain't fooling anyone.  I don't know what's in it for all the so-called "moderate" Muslims to somehow seek to explain away Islamic terrorism.  I tell you, Carson so correct of this.  Those career politicians are so corrupt, they cannot even tell the truth.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Sorry to be late, yuji22. I join you wholeheartedly in condemning terrorism.

Condemnation is not the solution. It will never stop, meaning these terrorist acts. Be wise. These are ppl with continued history of violent behavior. Countries would be better to guard themselves.  

Siggy, this is how I look at it: powerless people like myself and yuji22 can merely utter condemnation to show where we stand, ie, we don't support ISIS terrorism. This is called public opinion.

It is for the powerful people, those who control armies, to fight ISIS and defeat it. Look at al-Qaeda; it's not as powerful as it was in 2001 thanks to the powerful people who used their military might to humble it.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Ok folks

 

As a Guyanese and Canadian, I strongly condemn the acts of terrorism that occurred in Paris.

 

 

So now you are not Indian. Anyway I support your call for condemnation.

 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

K
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

FM
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Ok folks

 

As a Guyanese and Canadian, I strongly condemn the acts of terrorism that occurred in Paris.

 

 

So now you are not Indian. Anyway I support your call for condemnation.

 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

I am hard on the concept of an open flow of refugees but presently they have no where else to go. The Muslim world has not extended an invitation. Except for Jordan and Lebanon these people are abandoned everywhere.

 

I do agree that there will be no open border very soon. this is even destroying Schengen. Norway said No way and so has nine others. Merkle herself admited she is at her limit. With an influx of another million expected next year,  if the open border policy exists still,  there will be no place for them.

 

Also, very few Muslims have integrated in these societies. France's problem is its Algerians. Belgium and Switzerland has a similar problem while England deal with its former Asian Muslims invited over to work at the Vauxhall plant. The mullah in Belgian jail for conspiracy to create terror is a refugee from Egypt. Somehow, many Muslims do not seem to leave their confused world behind.

 

Another stark example is there are vastly  fewer women coming. They are leaving the women behind. These men will definitely not be tethered to their new communities and will grow disenchanted and feel marginalized and will gripe as usual.

 

The west has to create safe zones for them in their own lands ( since they do not seem able to do it) Norway already say do not come to us. We will come to you.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

That is not the point...the prevalence of they those coming with a distorted view of the west is what matters. One Muslim cop died in the last attack. It did not mean on account of that one must turn a blind eye to the reality of Muslim fundamentalism was  at the source of the attack. Most of Paris's Muslim are  huddled around the airport and never integrated with french culture. Also, most kept their own  insular ways.  Indians, Buddhists Christians etc came in similar refugee "boats"..but we do not see jihadist Buddhists for example.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

That is not the point...the prevalence of they those coming with a distorted view of the west is what matters. One Muslim cop died in the last attack. It did not mean on account of that one must turn a blind eye to the reality of Muslim fundamentalism was  at the source of the attack. Most of Paris's Muslim are  huddled around the airport and never integrated with french culture. Also, most kept their own  insular ways.  Indians, Buddhists Christians etc came in similar refugee "boats"..but we do not see jihadist Buddhists for example.

I don't disagree with you. kp's comment above was infantile and lacked proper scope.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

That is not the point...the prevalence of they those coming with a distorted view of the west is what matters. One Muslim cop died in the last attack. It did not mean on account of that one must turn a blind eye to the reality of Muslim fundamentalism was  at the source of the attack. Most of Paris's Muslim are  huddled around the airport and never integrated with french culture. Also, most kept their own  insular ways.  Indians, Buddhists Christians etc came in similar refugee "boats"..but we do not see jihadist Buddhists for example.

I don't disagree with you. kp's comment above was infantile and lacked proper scope.

Everyone is pissed in some way at this. If he is here or has a connection to Paris as many do then he like most are angry as hell at the pure senselessness of this activity.

 

I am sure there are ongoing conversations as to retaliation and there is only one place to make that felt, Raqqa. I am sure in the bowels of every defense agency there is an active dissuasion as to the fabrication of plans to wipe that place out. If I can think it they can so I expect to hear bombs falling on their heads soon. At least that would give us some modicum of sense we can fight back.   I hope they bomb the hell out of every support infrastructure and any edifice with a black flag.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

That is not the point...the prevalence of they those coming with a distorted view of the west is what matters. One Muslim cop died in the last attack. It did not mean on account of that one must turn a blind eye to the reality of Muslim fundamentalism was  at the source of the attack. Most of Paris's Muslim are  huddled around the airport and never integrated with french culture. Also, most kept their own  insular ways.  Indians, Buddhists Christians etc came in similar refugee "boats"..but we do not see jihadist Buddhists for example.

kp made a statement that one of the bombers was a refugee, Kaz countered that the security guard was a Muslim as well....

seems kp suggesting that all the refugees are potential terrorists and should be barred, while kaz proving to him that one should not make blanket statements about Muslims

As to your point that many Muslims don't mix much...the same could be said of Hasidic communities, the AMish as well as other communities.

This does not mean that because they stick to themselves that makes them terrorists. If you do a study, you will find these terrorists mix a lot with regular citizens to avoid suspicion as well as understanding how "things" work so that they could carry out their deeds. Afterwards, you hear people who knew them would say how they did not think Mohamed was that kind of person. He seemed so nice and friendly.He helped me with my grocery and would give me a jump start during winter.

 

FM
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Ok folks

 

As a Guyanese and Canadian, I strongly condemn the acts of terrorism that occurred in Paris.

 

 

So now you are not Indian. Anyway I support your call for condemnation.

 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

KP, the US took in a million and a half Vietnamese after South Vietnam fell. It took in thousands of Bosnians. It took in tons of folks displaced. So historically taking in refugees fleeing Syria is not an alien concept.

 

You need to be more informed about how these things happen in a post-9/11 world and a world full of terrorism. You need to know it takes on average one and a half years for a refugee from Syria to enter the US. The scrutiny is enormous. What does strong able-bodied men fleeing with their mothers, daughters and wives and not staying to fight have to do with a refugee program that is common in history of the Developed world? What does saying Trump said so and so have to do with anything common sense?/ The guy just blabs and blabs for blabbing sake. Is he your intellectual source for such things? It says a lot about your own common sense.

Kari
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

I am sure there are ongoing conversations as to retaliation and there is only one place to make that felt, Raqqa. I am sure in the bowels of every defense agency there is an active dissuasion as to the fabrication of plans to wipe that place out. If I can think it they can so I expect to hear bombs falling on their heads soon. At least that would give us some modicum of sense we can fight back.   I hope they bomb the hell out of every support infrastructure and any edifice with a black flag.

I don't have a problem with eliminating the Muslim militants. I need them a hell of a lot less than those suggesting I am a sympathizer may suggest. In fact, I need them like I need cancer. And get rid of that damn black flag also. It is as ugly as the souls of the people waving it.

FM
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Ok folks

 

As a Guyanese and Canadian, I strongly condemn the acts of terrorism that occurred in Paris.

 

 

So now you are not Indian. Anyway I support your call for condemnation.

 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

You cannot have collective punishment.  Families need to be given first priority, parent with children.  Adults, over 18 coming as part of a family, i.e. parents should be allowed.  Single unaccompanied men and women should be held for special an enhanced screening.  After being fully vetted and prove clean they should be processed.  However, they should still have to register with local authorities for monitoring for some time.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

That is not the point...the prevalence of they those coming with a distorted view of the west is what matters. One Muslim cop died in the last attack. It did not mean on account of that one must turn a blind eye to the reality of Muslim fundamentalism was  at the source of the attack. Most of Paris's Muslim are  huddled around the airport and never integrated with french culture. Also, most kept their own  insular ways.  Indians, Buddhists Christians etc came in similar refugee "boats"..but we do not see jihadist Buddhists for example.

I don't disagree with you. kp's comment above was infantile and lacked proper scope.

Everyone is pissed in some way at this. If he is here or has a connection to Paris as many do then he like most are angry as hell at the pure senselessness of this activity.

 

I am sure there are ongoing conversations as to retaliation and there is only one place to make that felt, Raqqa. I am sure in the bowels of every defense agency there is an active dissuasion as to the fabrication of plans to wipe that place out. If I can think it they can so I expect to hear bombs falling on their heads soon. At least that would give us some modicum of sense we can fight back.   I hope they bomb the hell out of every support infrastructure and any edifice with a black flag.

I have to admit. Storm was spot on with this Analysis.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

 One of the terrorist that bomb the stadium, enter France as a refugee from Syria. Do we still want to bring thousands of these REFUGEES into North America??? Trump was saying the correct thing when he stated that most of these refugees are strong ,able body men, fleeing their country, instead of staying and fight, what a bunch of cowards.

Do you also know that one of the potential bombers was prevented from entering the stadium by a Muslim security who suspected he was wearing a vest?

That is not the point...the prevalence of they those coming with a distorted view of the west is what matters. One Muslim cop died in the last attack. It did not mean on account of that one must turn a blind eye to the reality of Muslim fundamentalism was  at the source of the attack. Most of Paris's Muslim are  huddled around the airport and never integrated with french culture. Also, most kept their own  insular ways.  Indians, Buddhists Christians etc came in similar refugee "boats"..but we do not see jihadist Buddhists for example.

I don't disagree with you. kp's comment above was infantile and lacked proper scope.

Everyone is pissed in some way at this. If he is here or has a connection to Paris as many do then he like most are angry as hell at the pure senselessness of this activity.

 

I am sure there are ongoing conversations as to retaliation and there is only one place to make that felt, Raqqa. I am sure in the bowels of every defense agency there is an active dissuasion as to the fabrication of plans to wipe that place out. If I can think it they can so I expect to hear bombs falling on their heads soon. At least that would give us some modicum of sense we can fight back.   I hope they bomb the hell out of every support infrastructure and any edifice with a black flag.

I have to admit. Storm was spot on with this Analysis.

Like Trump.

FM

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