People don’t like criticism – it is a permanent fixture in Homo sapiens. But criticism has saved civilization from tyranny and disasters. If the human mind gives up on criticism, civilization dies. I believe Trump will lose power in the next presidential race, because the power of criticism has exposed Trump as a man unfit to lead one of the most important countries in the world.
Given her behaviour as the GECOM chairman the past three weeks, harsh condemnations of Justice Claudette Singh’s action are justified within the context of what she said on attaining the position of GECOM chairperson. She said with pellucid assertiveness and unambiguous grammar, that she intends to adhere to the law. She has not, and she must be chastised for this insensitivity, and this is using a light word.
The lower court and the higher court ruled that a legal no-confidence motion (NCM) was carried and there should be elections in three months’ time. Which constitution is Justice Singh reading if she is reading the Guyana constitution at all? Has she read the judgement of the CCJ? Let’s skip over to the land of Brexit – the UK.
Right now parliamentarians from the three major parties are examining a proposal from the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbin, that parliament can topple Prime Minister Boris Johnson through an NCM introduced by Corbin, thereby saving the UK from a no-deal Brexit. Perhaps only in Guyana an NCM has no constitutional consequences.
When the Ramotar presidency prevented an NCM by proroguing parliament in 2014, the PNC under David Granger held a picket exercise every Tuesday outside the Office of the President calling for the parliament to convene. I remember at one of the demonstrations, Granger came up and thanked me for my participation. What Ramotar did was politically reprehensible, morally repugnant and democratically unacceptable.
Granger has emulated Ramotar. An NCM was passed in December 2018, and there is still no election. Granger and his Cabinet remain in office and perform the functions of state as if there was no NCM. In Guyana, citizens must ask themselves, if Boris Johnson can be toppled by a Corbin-sponsored NCM, because from how Guyana is reacting to its NCM it seems that NCMs are a waste of time. Enter the Honourable Claudette Singh.
It appears it will have to take the minds of all the great philosophers to understand the legal mind of Justice Singh. The Chief Justice (CJ) clearly laid-down an order that GECOM cannot remove extant names on the current list of voters after the new registration is completed. This renders the house-to-house registration irrelevant. But Justice Singh does not have to scrap the house-to-house process. What she has to do and what Guyanese must demand she does, is make decisions.
There are two decisions facing Justice Singh today. If today’s GECOM meeting ends in failure again, then there should be calls for her resignation, and I will make such an advocacy.
First, she can vote for the continuation of the current registration process, and that puts elections way into the end of the year or at the beginning of the new year. Whether we like it or not, GECOM is a constitutional body, and Guyanese have to abide by the way the voting went.
Alternatively, she can argue that since the CJ had ordered that over-18 citizens cannot be removed from the existing database, then, she should vote to have GECOM use the old database with additions and subtractions, and let GECOM prepare for an election this year. There is nothing complex about these two situations facing Justice Singh.
Why she has not proceeded to vote for one of the two options is completely unacceptable in the context of three things – one is that an NCM has taken place since December 2018; the second one is that even if she was out of Guyana, she must have read what the CJ said and the CJ said it clearly – GECOM must know it is not operating in normal circumstances and thirdly; her own words that as GECOM chairperson, she will follow the law.
Today we will know what substance Justice Singh is made of. Many Guyanese writing about her strange attitude have reminded us that she vitiated an entire general election in Guyana. This very lady declared a national election null and void. This same lady seems to be uncertain about what the constitution says about a no-confidence vote. Let Granger and his cabinet stay in power. The constitutional grey areas allow for this.
There is not even a patch of grey area about what should happen after an NCM is passed. Do your duty Justice Singh or resign.

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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I suspect this lady is a biased individual who is loyal to the PNC.  

Guyana's democracy is under attack and might not survive. 

The battle rages on.

Where you get that from ? most GECOM Chairman doesn't satisfies the warped mentality of some folks, it didn't take long to be abusive to Claudette Singh.

Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I suspect this lady is a biased individual who is loyal to the PNC.  

Guyana's democracy is under attack and might not survive. 

The battle rages on.

Where you get that from ? the rag GuyanaTimes ?

We've gotten accustomed to your vile and blatant hypocrisy on this forum.  The viewing audience knows you and can predict your response on every issue - a shameless defender of the PNC.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I suspect this lady is a biased individual who is loyal to the PNC.  

Guyana's democracy is under attack and might not survive. 

The battle rages on.

Where you get that from ? the rag GuyanaTimes ?

We've gotten accustomed to your vile and blatant hypocrisy on this forum.

The viewing audience knows you and can predict your response on every issue - a shameless defender of the PNC.

Take longer look in the mirror.

Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I suspect this lady is a biased individual who is loyal to the PNC.  

Guyana's democracy is under attack and might not survive. 

The battle rages on.

Where you get that from ? the rag GuyanaTimes ?

We've gotten accustomed to your vile and blatant hypocrisy on this forum.

The viewing audience knows you and can predict your response on every issue - a shameless defender of the PNC.

Take longer look in the mirror.

Says the New Nation salesman.

Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I suspect this lady is a biased individual who is loyal to the PNC.  

Guyana's democracy is under attack and might not survive. 

The battle rages on.

Where you get that from ? most GECOM Chairman doesn't satisfies the warped mentality of some folks, it didn't take long to be abusive to Claudette Singh.

Django, do you believe Granger and his government is respecting the constitution?

Billy, some people really nah gat shame. You will not leave a black jill near them or I am sure their neighbors has to constantly look at their actions. The depth of shamelessness of some Guyanese is unbelievable. Blame it on ignorance, stupidity or what ever but such ass kissing and Batty washing is unheard of!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru,

If any party is responsible for subverting the constitution and widening the racial divide in Guyana it is the PNC. The party Burnham founded has not changed. On the contrary, the party has become more hardened and hell-bent on achieving its objectives by force and fraud. The AFC which pawned the votes of PPP supporters promised positive changes. So far, nothing has materialized.  Crime continues to grow and criminals find it easier with the police and the courts. 

Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I suspect this lady is a biased individual who is loyal to the PNC.  

Guyana's democracy is under attack and might not survive. 

The battle rages on.

Where you get that from ? most GECOM Chairman doesn't satisfies the warped mentality of some folks, it didn't take long to be abusive to Claudette Singh.

Bro, she is smart. She knows more about elections and the constitution than us. She adjudicated the ID ruling that truncate Janet's first term. I did not agree with her ruling then since I thought what she looked at was facile. If you agree to something you cannot disagree with it after the fact as t he PNC did then. It was similar to the Dual citizens question in the recent NCV case. The PNC tacitly agreed to accept Dual citizens in their list but when it comes to that fact acting against them they they were up in arms and crying foul. Hypocrites is a mild world here to describe such action. Opportunistic with a predilection for knavery of any sort to get an advantage is a better description. 

Mrs Singh's judgement became suspect to me when she took up the chair of GECOM and not making H2H her own. She should have squashed all court cases by repudiating the decision of Patterson (deemed to be an illegal hire) that was used to start H2H. She could have then taken it on herself to issue an order that it be resumed and so make it her decision.

Her silence on the matter of when elections can be held is also troubling. She insisted on the letter of the law in the ID dispute but here she prevaricate and has absolute silence with the Constitutional imperative that only the legislature can extend the time for elections. She ought to have issued an opinion to this point with respect to the difficulty to go fully operational given she just had the job.

She could have asked for an extension insisting the job of delivering and election in the designated time frame is not possible. Instead we have silence...the most annoying practice of someone hired to do a task and is not delivering. 

Baseman posted:

Ayuh talk too fast.  

H2H ends in a few days as per GECOM.  Now watch that ”merger”.  Hope is not a marriage made in hell!!

The problem here is how long they will hide the list before publication. It ought to be made public and posted on every post office where local people can examine it for errors and the other parties get remedy

I suspect the PNC will not publish this until the very last minute. I also bet it is around 500K like the old one. Alexander will not be yammering about 200k bloat then.

I also want to know how they will reconcile the two list. The PPP needs to see the reconciliation algorithm since they should do a one to one comparison and create a third list with the exceptions for another H2H verification. But these fellows who complain about excesses have no desire to do these things and will not do any of the necessary things to actually produce a clean list free from padding or deliberate deletions. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Continuous voter registration list is electronic.  H2H list is handwritten on pieces  of paper.  During the claims and objections period, PPP scrutineers will review for discrepancies.

It cannot be handwritten. It has to be computerized as part of the counting process. There is no way to harmonize those two lists without using a computer. I saw those people in the field with tablets. I hope it was not for show. In any event, why would part of the job not be the perfunctory documenting the daily work by entering it in a computer.

Stormborn posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Continuous voter registration list is electronic.  H2H list is handwritten on pieces  of paper.  During the claims and objections period, PPP scrutineers will review for discrepancies.

It cannot be handwritten. It has to be computerized as part of the counting process. There is no way to harmonize those two lists without using a computer. I saw those people in the field with tablets. I hope it was not for show. In any event, why would part of the job not be the perfunctory documenting the daily work by entering it in a computer.

It has to be electronic because how do they quickly validate and verify who they counted is not already on the list.  I assume they will match up with the NIS#.  Then it leaves only the real new additions to be audited ensuring no Haitians, Angolan, etc on the list.

The process was flawed.  They had tablets but WiFi was unavailable.  Many people were not home.  Some refused to provide information.  Many areas were not covered due to accessibility.

The caveat could be that the PNC demand that voters must use the new ID card which was issued.  Many people don’t have the new ID cards.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:

The process was flawed.  They had tablets but WiFi was unavailable.  Many people were not home.  Some refused to provide information.  Many areas were not covered due to accessibility.

The caveat could be that the PNC demand that voters must use the new ID card which was issued.  Many people don’t have the new ID cards.  

But they could not remove anyone so hopefully that’s a mitigation!  

They may not have WiFi, but the data could be stored and uploaded!

I still don’t know what was accomplished over the existing process!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

The process was flawed.  They had tablets but WiFi was unavailable.  Many people were not home.  Some refused to provide information.  Many areas were not covered due to accessibility.

The caveat could be that the PNC demand that voters must use the new ID card which was issued.  Many people don’t have the new ID cards.  

One does not need ever present connectivity to do data collection. That is the case even today where people are in the field in remote areas and have to batch their jobs to a centralized location and get feedback as to how to follow up or do analysis. 

Those people who refused to deal with them should get their backsides to the nearest registration and register themselves. They will not get on the list by magic.

The PPP should be sending out that message all the time. The PNC cannot demand who get ID cards. That is to come from GECOM. it is their duty to validate the cards or issue new ones. It should be noted it was ID cards that the PNC used to invalidate Janet's full term.

Baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Continuous voter registration list is electronic.  H2H list is handwritten on pieces  of paper.  During the claims and objections period, PPP scrutineers will review for discrepancies.

It cannot be handwritten. It has to be computerized as part of the counting process. There is no way to harmonize those two lists without using a computer. I saw those people in the field with tablets. I hope it was not for show. In any event, why would part of the job not be the perfunctory documenting the daily work by entering it in a computer.

It has to be electronic because how do they quickly validate and verify who they counted is not already on the list.  I assume they will match up with the NIS#.  Then it leaves only the real new additions to be audited ensuring no Haitians, Angolan, etc on the list.

The PPP would get hard copies. They already have electronic copies of the old list. It is easy for them to scan the hard copies which would also come in PDF format to excel and convert that to SQL. They can kick out every new immigrant for the claims and objections period to adjudicate. I believe the emphasis of the PNC pocket judge of not kicking out anyone was for this reason. Those PNC fellows are very astute. 

Stormborn posted:
Baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Continuous voter registration list is electronic.  H2H list is handwritten on pieces  of paper.  During the claims and objections period, PPP scrutineers will review for discrepancies.

It cannot be handwritten. It has to be computerized as part of the counting process. There is no way to harmonize those two lists without using a computer. I saw those people in the field with tablets. I hope it was not for show. In any event, why would part of the job not be the perfunctory documenting the daily work by entering it in a computer.

It has to be electronic because how do they quickly validate and verify who they counted is not already on the list.  I assume they will match up with the NIS#.  Then it leaves only the real new additions to be audited ensuring no Haitians, Angolan, etc on the list.

The PPP would get hard copies. They already have electronic copies of the old list. It is easy for them to scan the hard copies which would also come in PDF format to excel and convert that to SQL. They can kick out every new immigrant for the claims and objections period to adjudicate. I believe the emphasis of the PNC pocket judge of not kicking out anyone was for this reason. Those PNC fellows are very astute. 

WTR you mean?  The not kicking out was the existing list.  The new addition from the H2H is different. 

Baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
Baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Continuous voter registration list is electronic.  H2H list is handwritten on pieces  of paper.  During the claims and objections period, PPP scrutineers will review for discrepancies.

It cannot be handwritten. It has to be computerized as part of the counting process. There is no way to harmonize those two lists without using a computer. I saw those people in the field with tablets. I hope it was not for show. In any event, why would part of the job not be the perfunctory documenting the daily work by entering it in a computer.

It has to be electronic because how do they quickly validate and verify who they counted is not already on the list.  I assume they will match up with the NIS#.  Then it leaves only the real new additions to be audited ensuring no Haitians, Angolan, etc on the list.

The PPP would get hard copies. They already have electronic copies of the old list. It is easy for them to scan the hard copies which would also come in PDF format to excel and convert that to SQL. They can kick out every new immigrant for the claims and objections period to adjudicate. I believe the emphasis of the PNC pocket judge of not kicking out anyone was for this reason. Those PNC fellows are very astute. 

WTR you mean?  The not kicking out was the existing list.  The new addition from the H2H is different. 

there is confusion somewhere in the system. I am under the impression that the court ruling has not invalidated the old list but insisted that only by means of purging the dead and those who emigrated could a removal occur.  Surely she could not be speaking of the new list since there is little possibility for them to meet with and register dead people or immigrants etc H2H was offered as an updating purpose to clean the list. 

Stormborn posted:
Nehru posted:

She is not a Justice but a common HO and THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude; be temperate with your insults. Comment on her failings and ease up with the nasty talk.

Here on forward, I am going to take Stormy’s advice and clean up my comments too.

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