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@Totaram posted:

I'm amused by how people evaluate the lawyers.  I have been around countless lawyers and have listened to numerous presentations in different legal proceedings.  First thing to bear in mind is that most of a lawyer's case is in the written materials submitted .  Second, the oral presentations are by design and necessity slow paced because a number of people have to follow what is being said and the constant references to cases is because that is the the essence of the common law.  

That girl family own the oldest law firm in Guyana.

@Gilbakka posted:

Not really. Even if the CCJ rules in the PPP/C's favor that Sanctimonious Gangster Granger and his Harmonite strongmen will not step down. Some observers believe the Harmonites will provoke a crisis and Granger will declare a State of Emergency. But I do hope that better sense prevails and that Granger accepts peacefully a pro-PPP/C ruling by the CCJ.

My sense is that Afros will take to the streets, widespread protests, CARICOM intervention, and calls for new elections. 

@Rochelle posted:

Very good arguments made on both sides.

Impressed with Mr. Reginald Armour, S.C.!

Mr. Basil Williams also came through. Good day for both sides. It really is a tough case and decision. 

Indeed, indeed, indeed -- very good presentations by all sides.

PPP/C presenters were more focused on the issues, laws and the poignant point of Article 177 (2) (b) relative to "more votes are cast" and that of the Guyana Appeal Court ruling for β€œmore valid votes are cast”.

@VishMahabir posted:

My sense is that Afros will take to the streets, widespread protests, CARICOM intervention, and calls for new elections. 

PPP will be declare the winner, Infaan will be sworn in as President.. Protest and violence in and around GT. PPP supporters are not a push over any more.. gone are those days. PPP Candidate are well protected ... I say no more on this... 

@Former Member posted:

PPP will be declare the winner, Infaan will be sworn in as President.. Protest and violence in and around GT. PPP supporters are not a push over any more.. gone are those days. PPP Candidate are well protected ... I say no more on this... 

I am very sceptical about this. The longer it takes for the CCJ to make an announcement, the better scenario it would look for the PNC.

Indeed, indeed, indeed -- very good presentations by all sides.

PPP/C presenters were more focused on the issues, laws and the poignant point of Article 177 (2) (b) relative to "more votes are cast" and that of the Guyana Appeal Court ruling for β€œmore valid votes are cast”.

Most interesting was addressing article 177(4). I have never seen someone with more hoof and mouth disease. I have said this here and was questioned by Justice Saunders: the election is not over and one cannot address this article because no president was sworn in. Our resident green dress, (plantain chips and cook up rice expert) legal interpreter was giving me holy sh*t about it. Justice Saunders settled this issue.

@Rochelle posted:

Very good arguments made on both sides.

Impressed with Mr. Reginald Armour, S.C.!

Mr. Basil Williams also came through. Good day for both sides. It really is a tough case and decision. 

As a kane kutta, me could ah do betta dan Comrade Basil Dunce. He was very embarrassing to the Guyanese people. Wonder where he got his law diploma from? Reginald was confused also. Even Timothy Jonas was brilliant compared to the Dunce.

@skeldon_man posted:

As a kane kutta, me could ah do betta dan Comrade Basil Dunce. He was very embarrassing to the Guyanese people. Wonder where he got his law diploma from? Reginald was confused also. Even Timothy Jonas was brilliant compared to the Dunce.

He is British and can't hold any public office. What big case he won ,to make a name for himself ?

@Django posted:

He is British and can't hold any public office. What big case he won ,to make a name for himself ?

Harmon is an American citizen and he holds a position in the de facto Granjah government. Did they not submit a petition to the US government through their lobbying firm saying Granger was an American citizen? I think there is a future for Jonas to hold office in a PPP led administration, if he is so desirous of doing so.

@skeldon_man posted:

Harmon is an American citizen and he holds a position in the de facto Granjah government. Did they not submit a petition to the US government through their lobbying firm saying Granger was an American citizen?

I think there is a future for Jonas to hold office in a PPP led administration, if he is so desirous of doing so.

Harmon (as claimed ) give up US Citizenship .David Granger is not US Citizen.

What Office Jonas will hold in government as a British Citizen ?

@Django posted:

Harmon (as claimed ) give up US Citizenship .David Granger is not US Citizen.

What Office Jonas will hold in government as a British Citizen ?

On the dossier from their lobbying firm, they claimed he was a US citizen. It was later removed. As for Harmon, like the rest of them, we will see. I don't believe a word these fraudsters say. They believe their own lies.

There were questions around whether the same votes cast that are used to elect a President is used to elect a national assembly. The answer is YES. I believe this question was asked to circumvent 177(4)'s exclusive jurisdiction of the COA, thereby providing CCJ to have jurisdiction to hear the matter.

There were also questions around whether there was a President elected for there to be application of 177(4). The fact remains that there is still one President duly elected into office and that remains in office. On this basis it could be argued that 177(4) does apply, and that Ms. David's matter was filed in the appropriate court and therefore, CCJ has no jurisdiction. President Granger was technically not a presidential "candidate" but a elected President who sought re-election. 

And I also learned that according to some arguments, an election petition can be filed once candidates were nominated, not necessarily when GECOM declares. In other words, there technically does not have to be a declaration made for a petition to be filed.

Brilliant judges and attorneys all around. 

@Rochelle posted:

There were questions around whether the same votes cast that are used to elect a President is used to elect a national assembly. The answer is YES. I believe this question was asked to circumvent 177(4)'s exclusive jurisdiction of the COA, thereby providing CCJ to have jurisdiction to hear the matter.

There were also questions around whether there was a President elected for there to be application of 177(4). The fact remains that there is still one President duly elected into office and that remains in office. On this basis it could be argued that 177(4) does apply, and that Ms. David's matter was filed in the appropriate court and therefore, CCJ has no jurisdiction. President Granger was technically not a presidential "candidate" but a elected President who sought re-election. 

And I also learned that according to some arguments, an election petition can be filed once candidates were nominated, not necessarily when GECOM declares. In other words, there technically does not have to be a declaration made for a petition to be filed.

Brilliant judges and attorneys all around. 

This question was debated and was rejected. The argument that if 177(4) could be used even before an election was held. The PNC lawyer was confused. The word president was emphasized and no president was elected during this process.

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@skeldon_man posted:

This question was debated and was rejected. The argument that if 177(4) could be used even before an election was held. The PNC lawyer was confused. The word president was emphasized and no president was elected during this process.

Article 177 is Voting for a President of Guyana,no Court out of the Country have any Jurisdiction to hear any matter that arises,only the Appeal Court of Guyana.

The CCJ questions are trampling on the Constitution of Guyana ,regarding electing a Head of State.

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@skeldon_man posted:

Interesting. First time I heard of this. Is there any documentation? However, that was not the court case. It was whether the CoA has the authority to hear the case.

Read the Constitution of Guyana ,Article 177 was posted on a thread. Guyana Constitution is different than any in the Caribbean. Sanders was making mockery when he asked if there is still president in Guyana.

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@Django posted:

Article 177 is Voting for a President of Guyana,no Court out of the Country have any Jurisdiction to hear any matter that arises,only the Appeal Court of Guyana.

The CCJ questions are trampling on the Constitution of Guyana ,regarding electing a Head of State.

I bet if PPP did this to the PNC, the rethoric might have been different. To quote you: It cuts both ways.

@Django posted:

Read the Constitution of Guyana ,Article 177 was posted on a thread. Guyana Constitution is different than any in the Caribbean. Sanders was making mockery when he asked if there is still president in Guyana.

He is the umpire. He calls the balls and strikes. He calls it as he sees it. He does not call the pitch before it is delivered. He waits until the pitch has cleared the plate. Be nice to him.