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JOHN MC CAIN: WE HAVE LEARNED OUR LESSON:

John McCain: We Won't Go To War In The Middle East Again

First Posted: 9/11/11 09:53

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Jon McCain defended the government's decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but said he recognizes that public opinion would prevent the United States from going to war in the Middle East again soon.

"I think we did the right thing there, but I also think we learned a lot of lessons, and frankly, I don't think you're going to see the United States of America in another war in that part of the world," McCain (R-Ariz.) said on "Fox News Sunday," speaking on the 10-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

"I don't think American public opinion would stand for it," he added.

McCain's tone was a slight shift from his normal hawkishness on foreign policy, where he has been quick to criticize the president for using too little force in Libya and planning a draw-down of troops in Afghanistan.

He acknowledged the frustration that many Americans feel with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have continued for years beyond their planned end-dates.

Still, McCain defended the decisions to invade the two nations, saying Americans can "be proud of the fact that there has not been another terrorist attack."

"Whether we should have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan, I believe we should have," he said. "Whether it's mismanaged and whether we underestimated the enormity of the challenge we faced, I think historians will judge. But I don't think we should ever forget that those attacks originated in Afghanistan."

One major mistake, he argued, was the torture and abuse of detainees that went on in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, a human rights violation that was revealed in 2004.

"It's probably not the time to bring this up, but Abu Ghraib and the torture of prisoners hurt us a great deal and did provide a propaganda tool for our enemies including Al Qaeda,” he said.

He said he understands the desire to focus on domestic issues, when unemployment rates continue at staggering rates. But he said national security is just as important.

"There is a perception in the world, rightly or wrongly, that the United States is in a decline and we are, in many ways, withdrawing the fortress of America," he said. "We can't afford to do that."

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JOHN MC CAIN: WE HAVE LEARNED OUR LESSON:

Cost of wars taking its toll on America
THURSDAY, JUNE 30, 2011

Osama bin Laden did not measure his successes against us in body bags, car bombings or even suicide attacks. He measured them by the financial cost we would bear that has now included a record deficit, national debt, massive foreign borrowing, two very costly wars, an unbalanced budget and a failure to invest here at home as we try to stop his al-Qaida network of a few hundred.

By any yardstick, or trumped-up goal or standard that we set up or try to mitigate, bin Laden continues to hurt us even as he rots with Charley Tuna at the bottom of sea.

The New York Times had an article from Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz wherein he estimated that the price tag on the Iraq War will surpass $3 trillion and that $1 trillion or $2 trillion more will be added on for Afghanistan. Today, we can add the war costs for Libya and Yemen and Pakistan and the entire global war on terror. By my math, that is six ongoing wars. Factor in the entire cost for homeland security since 9-11 and simple math says it's breaking our back and the bank.

Then factor in all the other indirect costs like the Federal Reserve measures. There is constant worry about recession and inflation. Then pile on the price of oil which drives up gas prices. That is for all our people with no jobs who have to but cannot pay more to drive and look for a job that is offshore. Then add in the damage from the crash of 2008, which still haunts us today.

There should be, but are not, any solutions from this hellbent-for-leather Congress with their rabid partisan games leading up to the 2012 elections. They are like Nero watching Rome burn, and ironically, they say they care.

We are truly on the backside of the downslope and heading at breakneck speed to the bottom with our brakes on fire. Nothing and no one can stop this runaway train heading for the cliff except us and focused leadership, which right now is lacking.


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FM
Straining your sorry ass to present a negative image of this place that give you sustenance. Unfortunately for you there is much more to this reality than the depression, or response to terrorists whom you support by the way.

There is a deep 2 milleniia philosophical heritage that brought us from Greek to Roman to the Dark ages to the Crusades to Feudalism to the Pope dominated religion to Secular pluralistic societies. It is not up turns or down turns that keep this place going but the resiliency of a well honed foundational system that focuses on individual self worth than clonal religiosity or totalitarian sameness.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

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Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

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Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.

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FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

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Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

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Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

.
Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.


quote:
Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.


Stop lying, born into a wealthy? give me a break, I never ever heard about a wealthy buckman. Are you telling that you have used your bow and arrow to shoot fishes in the river sell the fishes and then become wealthy? Big Grin

Go tell your fibs to someone else.

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FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

.
Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.


quote:
Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.


Stop lying, born into a wealthy? give me a break, I never ever heard about a wealthy buckman. Are you telling that you have used your bow and arrow to shoot fishes in the river sell the fishes and then become wealthy? Big Grin

Go tell your fibs to someone else.

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I guess there are no wealthy "buck men" because others robbed them blind. I do like your descent to the obvious racist pig you are. It is your breeding.

I just happen to be what you are not. Stick that into you craw and suck on it.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by D2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

.
Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.


quote:
Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.


Stop lying, born into a wealthy? give me a break, I never ever heard about a wealthy buckman. Are you telling that you have used your bow and arrow to shoot fishes in the river sell the fishes and then become wealthy? Big Grin

Go tell your fibs to someone else.

D2
quote:
I guess there are no wealthy "buck men" because others robbed them blind. I do like your descent to the obvious racist pig you are. It is your breeding.

I just happen to be what you are not. Stick that into you craw and suck on it.


Dummy the 'other' that you are referring to, might be 'yourself' I do not put that beyond you to rob your own family, and you know what I am happy that you accept that there are no wealthy 'Buckmam' so it stands to reason that you are just a lier when you say that you are wealthy.... no wonder you are despised by them all.......has to be a reason why, thanks for spilling the beans.

You just happened to be another dummy nah dummy 2, Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental. No wonder you walk with an over coat covering your grotesque self, that would scare people away as the bogeyman. Big Grin

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FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by D2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

.
Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.


quote:
Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.


Stop lying, born into a wealthy? give me a break, I never ever heard about a wealthy buckman. Are you telling that you have used your bow and arrow to shoot fishes in the river sell the fishes and then become wealthy? Big Grin

Go tell your fibs to someone else.

D2
quote:
I guess there are no wealthy "buck men" because others robbed them blind. I do like your descent to the obvious racist pig you are. It is your breeding.

I just happen to be what you are not. Stick that into you craw and suck on it.


Dummy the 'other' that you are referring to, might be 'yourself' I do not put that beyond you to rob your own family, and you know what I am happy that you accept that there are no wealthy 'Buckmam' so it stands to reason that you are just a lier when you say that you are wealthy.... no wonder you are despised by them all.......has to be a reason why, thanks for spilling the beans.

You just happened to be another dummy nah dummy 2, Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental. No wonder you walk with an over coat covering your grotesque self, that would scare people away as the bogeyman. Big Grin

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I know very many very wealthy Amerinds so take that in your pipe and suck on it. Get your sorry bottom feeding terrorist loving racist self and go gripe in a corner.
That PPPite despise me is a compliment.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by D2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

.
Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.


quote:
Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.


Stop lying, born into a wealthy? give me a break, I never ever heard about a wealthy buckman. Are you telling that you have used your bow and arrow to shoot fishes in the river sell the fishes and then become wealthy? Big Grin

Go tell your fibs to someone else.

D2
quote:
I guess there are no wealthy "buck men" because others robbed them blind. I do like your descent to the obvious racist pig you are. It is your breeding.

I just happen to be what you are not. Stick that into you craw and suck on it.


quote:

Dummy the 'other' that you are referring to, might be 'yourself' I do not put that beyond you to rob your own family, and you know what I am happy that you accept that there are no wealthy 'Buckmam' so it stands to reason that you are just a lier when you say that you are wealthy.... no wonder you are despised by them all.......has to be a reason why, thanks for spilling the beans.

You just happened to be another dummy nah dummy 2, Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental. No wonder you walk with an over coat covering your grotesque self, that would scare people away as the bogeyman. Big Grin


d2
quote:

I know very many very wealthy Amerinds so take that in your pipe and suck on it. Get your sorry bottom feeding terrorist loving racist self and go gripe in a corner.
That PPPite despise me is a compliment.


Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Don't be insulted, but seems like your job is devoted to spreading ignorance? Why would I be interested in any Buck, the point was made to show that you are a lier when you said that you were wealthy, which you yourself admitted that there were no wealthy Buckman.

You are just a non entity within the realm of the PPP, no one knows you, no one cares to....so just dont come with another lies, trying to show that you have any importance, you being just an old fart.

Have you considered latley of suing your brains for nonsupport? Big Grin

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FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by D2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asj:
Resident Welfare Bum your sorry ass will never be able to stop free speech.

.
Dude, dont imagine for me where you are but a paycheck away from threading. The resoluteness with which you attach yourself to that lie speaks to how eaisly you are swayed by your own religious prejudices. My point is leave if you think this place is a hell hole. But you cannot return to your ancestral hovel. This is where you must be to survive and yet probably hate yourself for being so dependant on its bounties.

I do not have to stop you. I want you to speak. I want you to leave a record as long as your arm everyday detailing your contempt for this place.


Dummy2 I work for my living, I live within and respect the laws of the Country, I do not collect Welfare like you do, I am not dispicable like you are, I pay my taxes, so bums like you can benefited. Be thankful that people like me are around that could support your lazy ass.

What you fail to realise is that every single post you see here is Americans citisizing the Government, same that I do from time after time.
So you can stop your bytching and moaning as you are a lost soul without credibility, just wasting my time with your garbage to even respond to you.


quote:
Stupid man, you can believe what you want. I cannot help you with your need to feel better by presuming I am on welfare. I was born into a wealthy family so from day one I was never in want. That much you can stick in your stupid behind and sit on it. I work only for me and at my beck and call.


Stop lying, born into a wealthy? give me a break, I never ever heard about a wealthy buckman. Are you telling that you have used your bow and arrow to shoot fishes in the river sell the fishes and then become wealthy? Big Grin

Go tell your fibs to someone else.

D2
quote:
I guess there are no wealthy "buck men" because others robbed them blind. I do like your descent to the obvious racist pig you are. It is your breeding.

I just happen to be what you are not. Stick that into you craw and suck on it.


quote:

Dummy the 'other' that you are referring to, might be 'yourself' I do not put that beyond you to rob your own family, and you know what I am happy that you accept that there are no wealthy 'Buckmam' so it stands to reason that you are just a lier when you say that you are wealthy.... no wonder you are despised by them all.......has to be a reason why, thanks for spilling the beans.

You just happened to be another dummy nah dummy 2, Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental. No wonder you walk with an over coat covering your grotesque self, that would scare people away as the bogeyman. Big Grin


d2
quote:

I know very many very wealthy Amerinds so take that in your pipe and suck on it. Get your sorry bottom feeding terrorist loving racist self and go gripe in a corner.
That PPPite despise me is a compliment.


Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Don't be insulted, but seems like your job is devoted to spreading ignorance? Why would I be interested in any Buck, the point was made to show that you are a lier when you said that you were wealthy, which you yourself admitted that there were no wealthy Buckman.

You are just a non entity within the realm of the PPP, no one knows you, no one cares to....so just dont come with another lies, trying to show that you have any importance, you being just an old fart.

Have you considered latley of suing your brains for nonsupport? Big Grin

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I am happy to be a nonentity in the realm of the PPP. I know them in their poverty, even the pig Ramotar so I care little if they consider themselves the noblesse oblige these days.

I do not consider you being relevant in the consideration of anyone even if the pejorative "buck" gives your dessicated racist mind a hard on. I know that you are from dalitdom so that is no place from which to claim pedigree.

And your shriveled self have no right even to call a granny old.

BTW Amerinds own collectively over 8k Square miles of Guyana. That is collectively more than the private holdings of every other Guyanese of Guyana does. And they will increment that considerably more when all is over and done with.
FM
asj
quote:
Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Don't be insulted, but seems like your job is devoted to spreading ignorance? Why would I be interested in any Buck, the point was made to show that you are a lier when you said that you were wealthy, which you yourself admitted that there were no wealthy Buckman.

You are just a non entity within the realm of the PPP, no one knows you, no one cares to....so just dont come with another lies, trying to show that you have any importance, you being just an old fart.

Have you considered latley of suing your brains for nonsupport?


d2
quote:

I am happy to be a nonentity in the realm of the PPP. I know them in their poverty, even the pig Ramotar so I care little if they consider themselves the noblesse oblige.

I do not consider you being relevant in the consideration of anyone even if the pejorative "buck" gives your dessicated racist mind a hard on. I know that you are from dalitdom so that is no place from which to claim pedigree.

And your shriveled self have no right even to call a granny old.


So why bring up the PPP in this discussion? What relevance does it have? They dont care about you and you do not care about them, but because you are scared of them, you have to speak your mind and bring the PPP up. Why dont you take a vacation and go to Club Dead Big Grin

I do not care for what you consider and what you do not consider........the point was made to show that you are a lying 'buckman' Bai you are a living proof that man can live without a brain! Big Grin

Have you ever think about the new invention? They just invented a new coffin just for you that goes over the head. It's for people who are dead from the neck up. Big Grin

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FM
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
asj
quote:
Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Don't be insulted, but seems like your job is devoted to spreading ignorance? Why would I be interested in any Buck, the point was made to show that you are a lier when you said that you were wealthy, which you yourself admitted that there were no wealthy Buckman.

You are just a non entity within the realm of the PPP, no one knows you, no one cares to....so just dont come with another lies, trying to show that you have any importance, you being just an old fart.

Have you considered latley of suing your brains for nonsupport?


d2
quote:

I am happy to be a nonentity in the realm of the PPP. I know them in their poverty, even the pig Ramotar so I care little if they consider themselves the noblesse oblige.

I do not consider you being relevant in the consideration of anyone even if the pejorative "buck" gives your dessicated racist mind a hard on. I know that you are from dalitdom so that is no place from which to claim pedigree.

And your shriveled self have no right even to call a granny old.


So why bring up the PPP in this discussion? What relevance does it have? They dont care about you and you do not care about them, but because you are scared of them, you have to speak your mind and bring the PPP up. Why dont you take a vacation and go to Club Dead Big Grin

I do not care for what you consider and what you do not consider........the point was made to show that you are a lying 'buckman' Bai you are a living proof that man can live without a brain! Big Grin

Have you ever think about the new invention? They just invented a new coffin just for you that goes over the head. It's for people who are dead from the neck up. Big Grin

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Only PPPite and fundamentalist terrorist sympathizers like you do not like me.

I do fear the PPP. After all they are employed RK to murder Guyanese. I also fear they will ruin us by turning the place into a Narco nation unfriendly to the west and a prime target for a Chavez invasion. Additionally, they are oligarchs and an oligarchy never capitulate without a to the death fight. Yes I fear they will be the ruin of us.

You cannot show me to be a liar. You can show you believe me to be a liar and that is the reality. What ever occurs in your mind and whatever you en devour to prove that you know of me personally outside of what I say is your fantasy.

It is clear you do not think so the idea of you ascribing anyone as intellectually dead is a good laugh.
FM

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