Jagdeo outlines criteria for next PPP presidential candidate

The sovereignty of the people case

By Jarryl Bryan

 

The decision in the case of the Attorney General versus Cedric Richardson was announced on Tuesday amid much public interest.

Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo, who was the subject of much debate regarding the ruling, remains unmoved by the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) upholding, among other things, term limits for Guyana’s Presidents by six to one.

During a press conference on Tuesday, Jagdeo maintained that despite the ruling, he would remain the General Secretary (GS) of the People’s Progressive Party (PPP). He noted that the ruling has nothing to do with his position as GS.

Jagdeo pointed out also that when he left office as President in 2011, it was in keeping with the law on presidential term limits. The former President stressed that he would continue to abide by the law and that at the appropriate time, the PPP would select a presidential candidate.

“The CCJ ruling has been interpreted in a particular way, but it is still our law,” Jagdeo stressed. “As someone who has always complied with our law, the same situation remains today.”
In fact, Jagdeo made it clear that he was not keen on certain aspects of being President. While he has no problem with the idea of listening and addressing the concerns of the ordinary people as President, he admitted he disliked the superficial form and ceremonial trappings that came with the position.

Jagdeo, who served as President from 1999 to 2011, noted that he would continue to play an integral part in the Party. According to the General Secretary, he will continue to broaden the demographics of persons coming to his party and maintained that if the PPP/C returned to Government he would play a formal role.

Jagdeo refused to speculate on what specific role he would play in the next PPP/C Government. He would only say that he would contribute through helping to guide and formulate policy, according to his experience. While Jagdeo noted that the Party has never placed all its eggs in one basket when it came to the electoral ticket, he declined to cite potential presidential candidates. However, he did highlight that the Party’s next presidential candidate will have to be a “hard-working” person, who is courageous and has good management skills.

“I see many people I like for that position. These people are hard-working, have great management skills and are courageous. That’s what I think a President should be,” Jagdeo related.

When he was asked directly whether he would support former President Donald Ramotar as the Party’s presidential candidate, Jagdeo would only reiterate his ideals of presidential criteria.

The case

The constitutional challenge case brought by Georgetown resident Cedric Richardson in February 2015 had sought the Court’s interpretation of the National Assembly’s changes to Article 90, as those related to four restraints on the freedom of choice by citizens at national elections.

Richardson argued, through his lawyers, Emily Dodson and Shawn Allicock, that the amendment – Article 17 of 2000 – unconstitutionally curtails and restricts his sovereign and democratic right and freedom as a qualified elector to elect a specific person of his choice as the Executive President of the Cooperative Republic of Guyana.

Richardson had also contended that the limit was unconstitutional and illegal. He sought the Court’s interpretation to determine whether a referendum on the amendment should not have been held, instead of the two-thirds majority in the

National Assembly has the power to decide the limit on the number of terms.

Former acting Chief Justice Ian Chang had ruled in July 2015 that the alteration of Article 90 by Act No 17 of 2000, in substance and effect, undoubtedly diminished the democratic rights of the electorate in electing a person of their own choice as President.
He had noted that such an amendment needs a referendum and is invalid and without legal effect for reason of non-compliance.

He further ruled that Act 17 of 2000 seeks to dilute the pre-existing democratic rights of the electorate to elect a President of their choice. As such, while the Constitution provides for representative democracy, such representative democracy cannot encroach on popular sovereignty from which it derives and which is entrenched by the requirement of the referendum.

However, the High Court’s decision was appealed by the Attorney General’s Chambers and former Speaker of the House Raphael Trotman, both of whom were named as respondents in the court action. They asked that the ruling is “wholly set aside”.

 

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Party’s next presidential candidate will have to be a “hard-working” person, who is courageous and has good management skills.

Jagdeo said he knows many in the PPP who can fulfill these criteria. So, who is the next presidential candidate? Damn!

Prashad posted:

Prashad support a next Presidential run by President Ramotar. President Jagdeo has his back.

 

Prashad, why would you support Donald Duck who was the President that took orders from Granger’s PNC and GAVE AWAY the 2015 elections to the PNC/AFC. Yes, DD is toxic and anti PPP in wolfe’s clothing.

 

 

 

 

The misconception of bullying is when someone allowed himself to be bullied. In this case, it's always the Indians who are receiving the shit end of the stick. This is a lame excuse and it's becoming a second nature to seek comfort by the word "bully".  

Dondadda posted:
Prashad posted:

Prashad support a next Presidential run by President Ramotar. President Jagdeo has his back.

 

Prashad, why would you support Donald Duck who was the President that took orders from Granger’s PNC and GAVE AWAY the 2015 elections to the PNC/AFC. Yes, DD is toxic and anti PPP in wolfe’s clothing.

First alyuh seh de man tek “bullying” now alyuh seh he tek “orders from Granger” . . .  where was puppetmaster Jagdeo when all this disobedience wuz occurring?

Dondadda posted:
Prashad posted:

Prashad support a next Presidential run by President Ramotar. President Jagdeo has his back.

 

Prashad, why would you support Donald Duck who was the President that took orders from Granger’s PNC and GAVE AWAY the 2015 elections to the PNC/AFC. Yes, DD is toxic and anti PPP in wolfe’s clothing.

 

 

 

 

And so it shall be told.

The problem with the PPP is its Constitution. It needs to be reformed, and quickly. There is enormous powers in the hands of the General Secretary of the Party. It is scary when I read that BJ say that “I see many people in the  PPP that I like”. This is a decision that should be left up to the delegates of the Party. It should not be BJs decision nor should he have any influence in who is selected, except his one vote, as the Presidential Candidate. His position should be an impartial one. I will have to say on this matter later on.

ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Ramotar was weak. The Coalition Opposition were always bullying him 

how was this “bullying” manifested?

please explain

Why would you need an explanation for things that were showing in plain sight?

please cite example(s)

thanx

yuji22 posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

Ramotar was weak. The Coalition Opposition were always bullying him 

That's false.

Look at PNC Baggage Handler Mitwah defending his team PNC.

well, show where his statement is wrong then, and stop being a little girl

yuji22 posted:

Antie Ronan, show me where MY statement is wrong na ? You are not sure if you are a boy or girl. 

the 'wrongness' of your statement is not at issue . . . you just wasting time engaging in idle antiman talk . . . addressing nothing

try standing up straight for a change and DEAL with what the man said

yuji22 posted:

Keep trying antie Ronan. Answer my question na ?

You just doing a lady dance day and night.

you made a statement that started with "look at" . . . that's called masturbating in public for attention

now, you actually want me to tell you ("answer") if you doing it right?

really? . . . you must have syphilis in the brain

yuji22 posted:

Dance Antie Ronan, dance.

mmmm . . . this mussbe your latest tail-between-your-legs technique to back out of 'jail' when your own ignorance overwhelms

Labba was trying the same slink away artifice a couple of days ago

you obviously paid attention

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

 

VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

 

Because Papa Cheddie and Janet groom him to be become the leader,turns he became greedy,he should fade away,there are some good folks who can manage.

Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

 

Because Papa Cheddie and Janet groom him to be become the leader,turns he became greedy,he should fade away,there are some good folks who can manage.

Janet was the one who created Jagdeo.

VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

 

Good question.

GTAngler posted:
Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

 

Because Papa Cheddie and Janet groom him to be become the leader,turns he became greedy,he should fade away,there are some good folks who can manage.

Janet was the one who created Jagdeo.

Groom and then create.

GTAngler posted:
Nehru posted:

Vish, Jagdeo had a Press Conference this morning explaining the process. Please take a look.

Any you don't see a problem with that? What are you saying about the rest of the party if Jagdeo has to explain to them?

The others in the party doan have the smarts.

Nehru posted:

HEHEHE How many Goat heads on GNI, too many to count!! Bloody Idiots spewing their Garbage as Facts!!!

Why don't you stop your ignorant, limited vocabulary ranting for a minute and think. What you're basically saying is that the PPP is incapable of thinking for themselves. Is this the image you want the opposition to have?

GTAngler posted:
Nehru posted:

Why dont you listen before you make a fool of yourself. Your question/assumption can be cleared up.

I don't have to listen. Your statement says enough. The party is Jagdeo and Jagdeo is the party.

How can a party with several hundred thousand members, various MPs, a 35 member Central Committee among other committees be "the party is jagdeo and jagdeo is the party?"

VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

 

There is no such thing as selecting a criteria for the next PPP leader. The candidate is selected by the Central Committee. Each person's personal criteria is determined the person they choose.

VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

It is difficult because the PPP party machinery is based on their old commie principles where the leader is "selected" not elected. Janet flout the party "law" and mek sheself president when Cheddi died. Then she "select" Jagdeo. Yuh undastand now?

The PPP has not abandoned communism. They still address one another as "comrade" and stick to the old Lenin / Stalin shit. Why else you think one of their ministers cuss down the American Ambassador at his own residence in a tasteless, tactless display and then flounce sheself out?

A lot of the old PPP people (some post here) still love communism and socialism.

In fairness, I think the PNC also has some poppycock show they put on (not sure) to get their leader. But it's not based on ideology. Guyana is a comedy show bai.

Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

It is difficult because the PPP party machinery is based on their old commie principles where the leader is "selected" not elected. Janet flout the party "law" and mek sheself president when Cheddi died. Then she "select" Jagdeo. Yuh undastand now?

The PPP has not abandoned communism. They still address one another as "comrade" and stick to the old Lenin / Stalin shit. Why else you think one of their ministers cuss down the American Ambassador at his own residence in a tasteless, tactless display and then flounce sheself out?

A lot of the old PPP people (some post here) still love communism and socialism.

In fairness, I think the PNC also has some poppycock show they put on (not sure) to get their leader. But it's not based on ideology. Guyana is a comedy show bai.

Jagdeo ran for President in two General Elections and won both.  Guyana's constitution does not allow for the selection of a President.  Janet was already on her death bed, feeble and weak.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

It is difficult because the PPP party machinery is based on their old commie principles where the leader is "selected" not elected. Janet flout the party "law" and mek sheself president when Cheddi died. Then she "select" Jagdeo. Yuh undastand now?

The PPP has not abandoned communism. They still address one another as "comrade" and stick to the old Lenin / Stalin shit. Why else you think one of their ministers cuss down the American Ambassador at his own residence in a tasteless, tactless display and then flounce sheself out?

A lot of the old PPP people (some post here) still love communism and socialism.

In fairness, I think the PNC also has some poppycock show they put on (not sure) to get their leader. But it's not based on ideology. Guyana is a comedy show bai.

Jagdeo ran for President in two General Elections and won both.  Guyana's constitution does not allow for the selection of a President.  Janet was already on her death bed, feeble and weak.

You are correct that he won 2 elections. My point was that he was handpicked (selected) by the PPP leadership. You made the same point in an earlier post re the Central committee.

Iguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

So here's my question for all you smart people here:

Why should Jagdeo be "allowed" to "select" the criteria for the next PPP leader.?

Why cant the party make a democratic decision on the criteria, then vote on he most credible candidate? Dat so difficult?  

 

It is difficult because the PPP party machinery is based on their old commie principles where the leader is "selected" not elected. Janet flout the party "law" and mek sheself president when Cheddi died. Then she "select" Jagdeo. Yuh undastand now?

The PPP has not abandoned communism. They still address one another as "comrade" and stick to the old Lenin / Stalin shit. Why else you think one of their ministers cuss down the American Ambassador at his own residence in a tasteless, tactless display and then flounce sheself out?

A lot of the old PPP people (some post here) still love communism and socialism.

In fairness, I think the PNC also has some poppycock show they put on (not sure) to get their leader. But it's not based on ideology. Guyana is a comedy show bai.

Jagdeo ran for President in two General Elections and won both.  Guyana's constitution does not allow for the selection of a President.  Janet was already on her death bed, feeble and weak.

You are correct that he won 2 elections. My point was that he was handpicked (selected) by the PPP leadership. You made the same point in an earlier post re the Central committee.

How else should it work?  I assume the look at electability.  

Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

I knew you would go there.  But Guyana don’t have the critical mass or bench strength for such a process.  We followed the British formula.  

The process will work.  Without a doubt, bj is the strong man in the ppp.  

Baseman posted:

How else should it work?  I assume the look at electability.  

Ideally the PPP voters should pick the candidate, but I don't think the logistics exist to support that. A number of factors should be taken into account - electability (as you mentioned), qualifications, and a host of intangibles. And there ought to be a vote (which exists in name only).

Mind you - the entire process for BOTH parties needs to be radically changed. Guyanese talk a lot about "democracy" but they ain't too tolerant of opposing views.

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

This is not true.  The 35 members of the Central Committee each cast a vote to choose their candidate by secret ballot.   Where are you getting this crazy information from?  Have you read the PPP constitution because it stipulates the voting process very clearly?

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

This is not true.  The 35 members of the Central Committee each cast a vote to choose their candidate by secret ballot.   Where are you getting this crazy information from?  Have you read the PPP constitution because it stipulates the voting process very clearly?

Yes, there is a "voting process",  but in my view it's a sham. These 35 guys are essentially told who to vote for. This is what I'm referring to. The decision is already made. Judging from Mr. Jagdeo's comments it looks like that's exactly what he'll be doing too.

ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Ramotar was weak. The Coalition Opposition were always bullying him 

how was this “bullying” manifested?

please explain

Why would you need an explanation for things that were showing in plain sight?

please cite example(s)

thanx

Bannas, first clear yuh mind, open yuh eyes and then look again.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

This is not true.  The 35 members of the Central Committee each cast a vote to choose their candidate by secret ballot.   Where are you getting this crazy information from?  Have you read the PPP constitution because it stipulates the voting process very clearly?

The ballot is not secret.  

Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

This is not true.  The 35 members of the Central Committee each cast a vote to choose their candidate by secret ballot.   Where are you getting this crazy information from?  Have you read the PPP constitution because it stipulates the voting process very clearly?

The ballot is not secret.  

Yes it is!!!!!!  Stop with your lies!!!!!

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

How else should it work?  I assume the look at electability.  

Ideally the PPP voters should pick the candidate, but I don't think the logistics exist to support that. A number of factors should be taken into account - electability (as you mentioned), qualifications, and a host of intangibles. And there ought to be a vote (which exists in name only).

Mind you - the entire process for BOTH parties needs to be radically changed. Guyanese talk a lot about "democracy" but they ain't too tolerant of opposing views.

So you provide a solution that’s a non solution.  With friends like you, who needs enemies?

America solution is not Guyana solution.  Guyana needs small country solutions, see how it works in other caricom nations. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

This is not true.  The 35 members of the Central Committee each cast a vote to choose their candidate by secret ballot.   Where are you getting this crazy information from?  Have you read the PPP constitution because it stipulates the voting process very clearly?

The ballot is not secret.  

Yes it is!!!!!!  Stop with your lies!!!!!

It’s not.  

Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

Lack of governance.  But then again, didn’t Obama pick Hillary.  Now, look wuh happen!!

Obama may have given a nod to Hillary, but there was a process - the primaries. And old man Bernie almost cleaned Hillary's clock if it wasn't for Hillary's $$. There is no process in selection of the PPP candidate. Central committee doesn't just give a nod, they blatantly "select". They don't even have to deal with Big Purple firing a shot in the process.

This is not true.  The 35 members of the Central Committee each cast a vote to choose their candidate by secret ballot.   Where are you getting this crazy information from?  Have you read the PPP constitution because it stipulates the voting process very clearly?

The ballot is not secret.  

Yes it is!!!!!!  Stop with your lies!!!!!

It’s not.  

Stop faking it.  You know nothing about the PPP Central Committee or anything about the PPP for that matter.  Three members of my family have served on that committee.  They know how it works.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:

The ballot is not secret.  

Yes it is!!!!!!  Stop with your lies!!!!!

It’s not.  

Stop faking it.  You know nothing about the PPP Central Committee or anything about the PPP for that matter.  Three members of my family have served on that committee.  They know how it works.

Who gives a shyte who you knows on the Central C'tee and your family lineage, none ever were selected for head of state, so shut up.

You don't own the PPP or GNI for that matter.

Run and cry, your dream boy will never be king and you have to be contented with Queen (Liar) of GNI.

ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Ramotar was weak. The Coalition Opposition were always bullying him 

how was this “bullying” manifested?

please explain

Why would you need an explanation for things that were showing in plain sight?

please cite example(s)

thanx

Bannas, first clear yuh mind, open yuh eyes and then look again.

put up or shut up!

stop wasting everybody's time

Baseman posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

How else should it work?  I assume the look at electability.  

Ideally the PPP voters should pick the candidate, but I don't think the logistics exist to support that. A number of factors should be taken into account - electability (as you mentioned), qualifications, and a host of intangibles. And there ought to be a vote (which exists in name only).

Mind you - the entire process for BOTH parties needs to be radically changed. Guyanese talk a lot about "democracy" but they ain't too tolerant of opposing views.

So you provide a solution that’s a non solution.  With friends like you, who needs enemies?

America solution is not Guyana solution.  Guyana needs small country solutions, see how it works in other caricom nations

Sure, America's solution is not Guyana's solution. But earlier you said this:
"We followed the British formula. The process will work". 

I submit to you it is the very British system (Westminster model) in our racially polarized society that is part of the problem.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:
GTAngler posted:
Nehru posted:

Why dont you listen before you make a fool of yourself. Your question/assumption can be cleared up.

I don't have to listen. Your statement says enough. The party is Jagdeo and Jagdeo is the party.

How can a party with several hundred thousand members, various MPs, a 35 member Central Committee among other committees be "the party is jagdeo and jagdeo is the party?"

You and Nehru are missing the point. Why is it that Jagdeo has to explain the process of selecting a PPP candidate? Are all other party members ignorant of the selection process? Is there no one else capable? Aren't there senior PPP members who were there before Jagdeo? What kind of a picture does this paint of the PPP?

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

So you provide a solution that’s a non solution.  With friends like you, who needs enemies?

America solution is not Guyana solution.  Guyana needs small country solutions, see how it works in other caricom nations

Sure, America's solution is not Guyana's solution. But earlier you said this:
"We followed the British formula. The process will work". 

I submit to you it is the very British system (Westminster model) in our racially polarized society that is part of the problem.  

The system of Govt did not create the race issue in Guyana.  The race issue makes any system difficult.  Those in power get away with subverting the system due to kith and kin support regardless how blatant they violate the rules!

Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:

The ballot is not secret.  

Yes it is!!!!!!  Stop with your lies!!!!!

It’s not.  

Stop faking it.  You know nothing about the PPP Central Committee or anything about the PPP for that matter.  Three members of my family have served on that committee.  They know how it works.

Who gives a shyte who you knows on the Central C'tee and your family lineage, none ever were selected for head of state, so shut up.

You don't own the PPP or GNI for that matter.

Run and cry, your dream boy will never be king and you have to be contented with Queen (Liar) of GNI.

Aren't you sick of telling lies and scandals about people?  You come on here pretending that you know how the PPP process works when you don't even know how the PNC works.  Go get a life and stop stalking people.

ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Ramotar was weak. The Coalition Opposition were always bullying him 

how was this “bullying” manifested?

please explain

Why would you need an explanation for things that were showing in plain sight?

please cite example(s)

thanx

Bannas, first clear yuh mind, open yuh eyes and then look again.

put up or shut up!

stop wasting everybody's time

Bai, if you think I am wasting your or anyone else's time, why do you bother to engage at all? There is a method of just looking away which you can employ if you so wish. I do it man times here.

GTAngler posted:
 

You and Nehru are missing the point. Why is it that Jagdeo has to explain the process of selecting a PPP candidate? Are all other party members ignorant of the selection process? Is there no one else capable? Aren't there senior PPP members who were there before Jagdeo? What kind of a picture does this paint of the PPP?

GT, I believe that this is the world in which Politicians and Preachers exist. They behave like they are the only ones with the answers and everyone else cannot think or act on their own. Jagdeo is a player of that strange world and behaves accordingly. That is why I don't subject myself to these kinds of people or anyone else that seek to create some level of superiority over others.

ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Ramotar was weak. The Coalition Opposition were always bullying him 

how was this “bullying” manifested?

please explain

Why would you need an explanation for things that were showing in plain sight?

please cite example(s)

thanx

Bannas, first clear yuh mind, open yuh eyes and then look again.

put up or shut up!

stop wasting everybody's time

Bai, if you think I am wasting your or anyone else's time, why do you bother to engage at all? There is a method of just looking away which you can employ if you so wish. I do it man times here.

much as you would like me to, i don’t ‘look away’ or ignore when you post PPP disinformation and indefensible ignorance

i get too much pleasure watching you squirm

yes, put up or shut up! and stop polluting the place with your bumbling, mumbling cowardice

Baseman posted:
Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

So you provide a solution that’s a non solution.  With friends like you, who needs enemies?

America solution is not Guyana solution.  Guyana needs small country solutions, see how it works in other caricom nations

Sure, America's solution is not Guyana's solution. But earlier you said this:
"We followed the British formula. The process will work". 

I submit to you it is the very British system (Westminster model) in our racially polarized society that is part of the problem.  

The system of Govt did not create the race issue in Guyana.  The race issue makes any system difficult.  Those in power get away with subverting the system due to kith and kin support regardless how blatant they violate the rules!

Correct, the system didn't create the main problem - the race issue. That has existed for over 50 years. But it certainly exacerbates the problem, don't you think? And it's a bastardized Westminster system to boot. It's time to put an end to "black man rule" and "coolie man rule". Hopefully people within the 2 major parties have had enough of the old time politics and will see things differently down the road. The younger they are, the better.

ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
 

put up or shut up!

stop wasting everybody's time

Bai, if you think I am wasting your or anyone else's time, why do you bother to engage at all? There is a method of just looking away which you can employ if you so wish. I do it man times here.

much as you would like me to, i don’t ‘look away’ or ignore when you post PPP disinformation and indefensible ignorance

i get too much pleasure watching you squirm

yes, put up or shut up! and stop polluting the place with your bumbling, mumbling cowardice

Why then are you complaining about me wasting everybody's time? I post on GNI according to the time I am willing to spend not what anyone else wish. You seem quite conflicted in how you spend your time.

And don't fool yourself. You don't know me nor do I know you and your existence is meaningless to me so is your opinion. Now you can still bow out (can't say gracefully because you have already squandered that opportunity) or continue embarrassing yourself.

Iguana posted:
 

Correct, the system didn't create the main problem - the race issue. That has existed for over 50 years. But it certainly exacerbates the problem, don't you think? And it's a bastardized Westminster system to boot. It's time to put an end to "black man rule" and "coolie man rule". Hopefully people within the 2 major parties have had enough of the old time politics and will see things differently down the road. The younger they are, the better.

That is what the Coalition government promised to do during the 2015 elections campaign but as soon as the elections were over, they dropped that promised as Granger resorted to the wicked ways of his idol Burnham. Nowadays, he make regular pilgrimages to Burnham's grave to get Burnham's blessings. And instead of focusing on the broken promises of the Coalition government, their supporters are more bent on commenting on what the PPP did in the past or may do in the future.

ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:
ronan posted:
 

put up or shut up!

stop wasting everybody's time

Bai, if you think I am wasting your or anyone else's time, why do you bother to engage at all? There is a method of just looking away which you can employ if you so wish. I do it man times here.

much as you would like me to, i don’t ‘look away’ or ignore when you post PPP disinformation and indefensible ignorance

i get too much pleasure watching you squirm

yes, put up or shut up! and stop polluting the place with your bumbling, mumbling cowardice

Why then are you complaining about me wasting everybody's time? I post on GNI according to the time I am willing to spend not what anyone else wish. You seem quite conflicted in how you spend your time.

And don't fool yourself. You don't know me nor do I know you and your existence is meaningless to me so is your opinion. Now you can still bow out (can't say gracefully because you have already squandered that opportunity) or continue embarrassing yourself.

it's called 'a figure of speech' . . . deployed by ME to embarrass YOU!

so i'll continue to circle back:

cite the example(s) of PNC opposition "bullying" President Ramotar you LIED so brazenly about . . . when you thought no one was paying attention

i re-ask because i know the answer and delight in lifting up the dress of disinformation shit spreaders like you

you see banna, i can sniff out a bluff, filibuster or cloaked scurry-away at 30 paces

lol

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:

Who gives a shyte who you knows on the Central C'tee and your family lineage, none ever were selected for head of state, so shut up.

You don't own the PPP or GNI for that matter.

Run and cry, your dream boy will never be king and you have to be contented with Queen (Liar) of GNI.

Aren't you sick of telling lies and scandals about people?  You come on here pretending that you know how the PPP process works when you don't even know how the PNC works.  Go get a life and stop stalking people.

Shut up yuh rass!  You got caught and exposed as a BIG LIAR.   Now they all know the pathological LIAR you are.  Everyone at the table was talking about the NUT CASE, that is YOU.  They all now know of the felonious act, as the Pa lady was there.  She made sure everyone know WHAT you are!

You go get a life and stop spreading your lies.

You have NO credibility!!

ronan posted:
 

it's called 'a figure of speech' . . . deployed by ME to embarrass YOU!

 

Dude, you really think you can embarrass me? You don't even know me. There is nothing in my personal life that is embarrassing to me so once again you are being strayed by your delusion. Regarding you sniffs, perhaps the only thing you are sniffing is your farts. I don't subject myself to what anyone wants or asks. I comment solely on my own accord.

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