Jagdeo has revealed the new PPP agenda – Ramkarran

Ramkarran is a traitor. These crabdawgs are promoting the demise of Indos and their hate towards a most loved leader of the Indos.

This skunk Ramkarran should be speaking out against the massive AFC/PNC corruption, blatant racism towards Indos and a clueless AFC/PNC government which is destroying the economy.

Skunk Ramkarran should just shut up and enjoy his retirement.

Where was this skunk when the PNC recently held their Blackman Fest as described even by black political analysts ?

Where was he when Indo PPP Parliamentarians were kicked out at the Independence celebrations ?

What a skunk !

I agree he and his brother have become Granger PNC supporters. 

Prashad posted:

I agree he and his brother have become Granger PNC supporters. 

These funny fellas sold out Indos for a few pieces of silver.

Someone should remind this funny fella Ramkarran that the Afro led PNC flatly rejected him as speaker of the house yet his funny fella stand up and chatay (Lick) the PNC boots. This is one screwed up man, he is definitely missing some screws.

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Ralph Ramkarran's thoughts on Bharrat Jagdeo's intemperate speech in NY accurately reflects the reaction of many non-racial Guyanese. I applaud Mr Ramkarran for voicing the sentiments of the silent and voiceless. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Why would Ralph have a vendetta against your hero ? one who uttered statements before thinking of the consequences.

The question is whether some group of people needs to take back a country from another group or foreign threats. Jagdeo is attempting to define the reasons for the PPP "taking back" Guyana from the PNC. HEe states that PPP supporters - Indian-Guyanese - are targeted worse than under Burnham. This means that Indians are not free to express themselves; unable to find government employment unless they join the PNC; have their economic interests (internal commerce, farming, fishing, transportation, construction, etc.) restricted, armed forces intimidation, etc.

Having defined the reasons for a take back of this country, Jagdeo needs to then outline how. Wait for the next elections? Mass civil protests? Armed insurrection?

Then Jagdeo has to establish if ny taking back this country he will then enslave the others, incorporate them in a meaningful way or exterminate them.

You see, the likes of Bibi, Cobra et al, have the answers for the above. They believe that the Coalition government is unlawful and treasonous. Seems familiar? The Obama Administration the last 8 years? There must be conflict in the PPP camp with those who sees the Obama Administration as legitimate.

Is Jagdeo, having taken over and reshaped the PPP into a new PPP, treasonous? Is there an Act of law that addresses "taking back"; Guyana? Surely Jagdeo invites some legal action.

yuji22 posted:

Ramkarran is a traitor.

Why? Because he burst open the bag about Jagdeo wanting 40% of the population to rule the remaining 60%. Well last year the population rejected that.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Why? Because he confirms that your hero is a racist, who tries hide that fact by begging and bribing blacks to pose with him?

Jagdeo screams race.  He was guilty of racism himself.  He didn't apologize for the racism of his regime. So he has no right to wail about what ever racism exists today.

I have no doubt that there is some ethnic exclusion going on now, given the way Guyana functions.  But the reality is that Indians are now LESS excluded from the higher tier leadership roles than Africans were under the PPP.

There are FOUR Indian Amabassadors out of 11.  USA, Canada, China and Cuba, none of them being shabby assignments, are being held by Indians.

Under Jagdeo how many blacks were APPOINTED.  

Nigel Hughes and Freddie Kissoon itemized several instances of racial exclusion by the PPP. Ramkarran confirms this.

Neither you nor Jagdeo can counter that fact, nor the fact that when asked the reason for this Luncheon complained that blacks weren't qualified.

I don't expect you to be able to refute the evidence that the PPP removed blacks from upper tier slots. So you can scream in a hysterical and manic way that I am racist while you hero rants that "he gun tek back Guyana for Indians"

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Why would Ralph have a vendetta against your hero ? one who uttered statements before thinking of the consequences.

I know the answer but I can't say it here.  There is no one better than Ralph who understands what Jagdeo said. In fact he was one of the first who used the words ethnic cleansing.  Go back and read his articles.  These remarks do not bode well for his family members who may have political aspirations.  I'm dissapointed!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Why would Ralph have a vendetta against your hero ? one who uttered statements before thinking of the consequences.

I know the answer but I can't say it here.  There is no one better than Ralph who understands what Jagdeo said. In fact he was one of the first who used the words ethnic cleansing.  Go back and read his articles.  These remarks do not bode well for his family members who may have political aspirations.  I'm dissapointed!

too much secrecy....and this undermines your credibility. If you know something, say something.

Also, a discourse means that when a participant says something, the credible thing is to respond to that something. so far you have avoided answering any of the things attributed to Jagdeo in specifics; instead you off on a tangent on Ramkarran who is not the subject of scrutiny here. It;'s a technique called intellectual vacuous-ness.

Kari posted:

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Is Jagdeo, having taken over and reshaped the PPP into a new PPP, treasonous? Is there an Act of law that addresses "taking back"; Guyana? Surely Jagdeo invites some legal action.

As the Indian population declines through migration and miscegenation Jagdeo decided that he will become Lord of The Indians, fooling the Indian population that the best way for a PPP victory is for it to OPENLY mobilize itself around race.  

He definitely does this in NYC where most Indians left 30 years ago, so don't understand the degree to which the Indo population in Guyana has diminished, nor do they understand that it was only the alliance with Amerindians which saved the PPP in 2006 and 2011. 

And that this alliance wasn't large enough to save them last year. And in fact this alliance with Amerindians is fraying as they switch their votes to the new government. Evidence Lethem and Mabaruma. NEVER in the history of Guyana has a PNC dominated government ever won anything on the Rupununi, and in fact that region even opened rebelled against Burnham. 

So obviously Amerindians have decided that it is Granger who will determine what they will get over the next 4 years.  So have switched some of their votes to him. He is definitely wooing Amerindians, even more than he woos blacks. 

You see Granger knows what Jagdeo PRETENDS not to know, and that is no singular ethnic group can dominate Guyana, unless it forms cross ethnic alliances. 

Ramkarran's analysis of how demographic changes is exactly akin to mine, and I will NOT flatter myself into thinking that I influence his views, as the brown KKK will try to suggest, when they holler that he is a neemakaram, a niggindian, or a Congo/Kuffy lover.

Ramkarran is on the ground in Guyana and sees the reality, and the reality is that a PPP OPENLY becoming the brown KKK is doomed to destruction. 

This is the BEST news for Granger, whose base have become very disenchanted with him. In 2020, they will turn out in full numbers terrified at an angry Jagdeo winning.  And he will have eroded most of the PPP advantage among Amerindians as well.

It is clear that Jagdeo plans to destroy the PPP.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

I know the answer but I can't say it here.  There is no one better than Ralph who understands what Jagdeo said. In fact he was one of the first who used the words ethnic cleansing.  Go back and read his articles.  These remarks do not bode well for his family members who may have political aspirations.  I'm dissapointed!

Why don't you argue against Ramkarran's arguments instead of his motives?

He makes a valid point and that is that an increasingly and openly Indocentric PPP CANNOT win elections.  Especially as it support amongst large parts of G/T Indian population is quite soft.  Please explain why in the 1994 LGE the PPP won 8 seats in the G/T city council, and last year they won only TWO.  

FACT.  You can take all the pictures that you wish with Jagdeo begging blacks to pose with him, but the reality is that in 1992, 1997, 2001, 2006. 2011, and in 2015 blacks REJECTED the PPP by whopping margins.  The PPP made NO inroads into the black/mixed vote during this period.  WHY? Even as the mixed population has grown.

caribny posted:

Kari posted:

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Is Jagdeo, having taken over and reshaped the PPP into a new PPP, treasonous? Is there an Act of law that addresses "taking back"; Guyana? Surely Jagdeo invites some legal action.

It is clear that Jagdeo plans to destroy the PPP.

He is definitely doing that,the funny fellas don't see it ,i mentioned before he need to take back seat,all he is doing is this pushing him self as if he will become a future President  again and the Indians are gobbling up this notion,I am surprised at some of the Indians who live in first world countries believed this.

Django posted:

caribny posted:

Kari posted:

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Is Jagdeo, having taken over and reshaped the PPP into a new PPP, treasonous? Is there an Act of law that addresses "taking back"; Guyana? Surely Jagdeo invites some legal action.

It is clear that Jagdeo plans to destroy the PPP.

He is definitely doing that,the funny fellas don't see it ,i mentioned before he need to take back seat,all he is doing is this pushing him self as if he will become a future President  again and the Indians are gobbling up this notion,I am surprised at some of the Indians who live in first world countries believed this.

You guys should be happy that Jagdeo is destroying the party. Remember Carib and his mixed race mantra? PNC will be forever in power. 

Kari posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Why would Ralph have a vendetta against your hero ? one who uttered statements before thinking of the consequences.

I know the answer but I can't say it here.  There is no one better than Ralph who understands what Jagdeo said. In fact he was one of the first who used the words ethnic cleansing.  Go back and read his articles.  These remarks do not bode well for his family members who may have political aspirations.  I'm dissapointed!

too much secrecy....and this undermines your credibility. If you know something, say something.

Also, a discourse means that when a participant says something, the credible thing is to respond to that something. so far you have avoided answering any of the things attributed to Jagdeo in specifics; instead you off on a tangent on Ramkarran who is not the subject of scrutiny here. It;'s a technique called intellectual vacuous-ness.

I do not discuss people's personal business here on GNI.  This is a political forum.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Kari posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

This is shocking and ill perceived coming from Ralph.  I suspect this is a personal vendetta against Jagdeo as Ralph knows better.  I'm disappointed!!!!

Why would Ralph have a vendetta against your hero ? one who uttered statements before thinking of the consequences.

I know the answer but I can't say it here.  There is no one better than Ralph who understands what Jagdeo said. In fact he was one of the first who used the words ethnic cleansing.  Go back and read his articles.  These remarks do not bode well for his family members who may have political aspirations.  I'm dissapointed!

too much secrecy....and this undermines your credibility. If you know something, say something.

Also, a discourse means that when a participant says something, the credible thing is to respond to that something. so far you have avoided answering any of the things attributed to Jagdeo in specifics; instead you off on a tangent on Ramkarran who is not the subject of scrutiny here. It;'s a technique called intellectual vacuous-ness.

I do not discuss people's personal business here on GNI.  This is a political forum.  

Then stop writing this - I know the answer but I can't say it here.  There is no one better than Ralph who understands what Jagdeo said. In fact he was one of the first who used the words ethnic cleansing. 

Fair enough?!

You have impugned Ramkarran's character and then say you "do not discuss people's personal business here on GNI". Look up the meaning of hypocrisy, sweet gurl.

I am not naïve enough or stupid enough to claim that there isn't some level of discrimination against Indians going on now. I hear voices which claim that Indians excluded blacks for 23 years and so blacks must get as much as they can now in case the PPP wins and blacks get shut out again.

Now Jagdeo's screams deepen that insecurity. Rather than helping Indians he is indeed hurting them.  

I can well imagine the bottom house in G/T. Linden, Bartica and the black villages in Regions 4 and 5.  Yes "dem coolie say dat dem gon tek back de country. So see wha go happen if you all blackman continue to cuss out Granger".  

Jagdeo said it, NOT the bottom house PNC.  They are just ensuring that their base focuses on it.

Now suppose Jagdeo instead admitted that MAYBE there might have been exclusion of blacks by the PPP. And that this has led to a tit for tat from them now that APNU is in power.

Suppose he said that the tit for tat hurts both sides as Guyana has remained the poorest and least developed nation in the English speaking Caribbean as a result.  And that it was now time for an open discussion about this issue of ethnic insecurity and ethnic revenge so that it will end for once and for all. 

That would not only consolidate his position among Indians, but also prove to non Indians that he isn't their enemy.

No Jagdeo screams "we gun tek back de country for collie and toss out dem black man".  Basically beginning a cry for an ethnically based civil war. Do Indians really want the 60s to return?  Guyanese do NOT want this and will reject any one who advocates this.

Bibi then behaves like a rabid female dog on steroids, screaming and avoiding discussion of the issue.  Bibi your boy is a RACIST and every one is now saying so!  Played right into assertions by the coalition, that no matter how bad they might be a return to the PPP will be WORSE!