Stormborn posted:

News are that the military is apparently making a move against the government. If this is the case it does not bode well for Turkey. It is the only secular Muslim state.

I do not like coups however Erdogan was pushing his luck.

Let's hope it is not ISIS influenced , then all hell will break loose.

Turkey soldiers launch 'illegal action' - PM Yildirim

Turkey's PM has denounced an "illegal action" by a military "group", with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over the capital, Ankara.

Binali Yildirim said the military action was not authorised but it was not a coup. He said that the government remained in charge.

Traffic has been stopped from crossing both the Bosphorus and Fatih Sultan Mehmet bridges in Istanbul.

There are also reports of gunshots in the capital Ankar

http://sputniknews.com/europe/...ry-coup-attempt.html

If its a Coup then it Turkey is doomed. The US cannot support a coup and Europe will shut its borders. This is worrisome.

The military claims it has taken over the country and arrested the leadership.

Possibly activities though unclear about a coup.

Well, the only redeeming thing in this is the military has a tradition of being anti religious government. The US will have to leave and ISIS will be happy.

Coup underway.  Impact on war on ISIS and war in Syria is key.

Stormborn posted:

News are that the military is apparently making a move against the government. If this is the case it does not bode well for Turkey. It is the only secular Muslim state.

Indeed, it is unfortunate. Turkey has been undergoing a transformation based on modernization and secular politics since the collapse of the Ottomon Empire after WWI. W If its ISIS connected, it will lead to greater instability and problems in the area. The military probably felt that the leadership is too soft on terrorism, given the recent terrorist actions in that country.

The effects of the Syrian civil war may have made its way into Turkey.

Coup attempt in Turkey: What we know so far

Turkey's military says it has seized control, but the government insists coup won't succeed

CBC News Posted: Jul 15, 2016 6:18 PM ETLast Updated: Jul 15, 2016 6:26 PM ET, http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/a...up-attempt-1.3681669

Police officers stand guard near the Turkish military headquarters in Ankara, Turkey, on Friday. (Tumay Berkin/Reuters)

Turkey's military says armed forces have "fully taken control" of the country, but Prime Minister Binali Yildirim says the attempted coup will be put down. President Tayyip Erdogan, whose whereabouts are not being disclosed by his office, has issued a FaceTime message declaring that he is returning to the country. 

With files from Reuters

Stormborn posted:

Well, the only redeeming thing in this is the military has a tradition of being anti religious government. The US will have to leave and ISIS will be happy.

Bai, how come you know wha goin' aan.  Obama nah know wah happening, the Turkish Navy said, dem not know WTR happening, so how come Mr D2 know wah goin' aan.  Bai, dem nah call you "Mr Know-It-All" fuh nuttin'.

It looks like an attempt by some people to reverse the coup. The Turkish army is very pro democratic society and the military had several issues with the present government. The military has responsibility for keeping Islam out of the governing of Turkey.

One thing is certain at this time. The military is not in control and this does not bode well for the them.

Early indications are the coup is falling apart.  This is all, in part, thanks to an IPhone!!

Look out for an authoritarian state if this coup fails.

Sparky posted:

Look out for an authoritarian state if this coup fails.

 

Turkey is headed for big trouble!

ba$eman posted:

Sparky posted:

Look out for an authoritarian state if this coup fails.

 

Turkey is headed for big trouble!

Yup. Either way, the end results spells trouble.

Looks like a fractured coup attempt as it unfolds.

You have police and some Armed Forces on President Erdogan’s side, and the army mutineers on the other.

Erdogan is from the Islamist party that is violently opposed to the Kurds who have helped the US in the fight against ISIS on both sides of the Turkish/Syrian border.

Erdogan has been a reliable supporter of Israel, except that period of time when Israelis fired on Turkish boats taking supplies to Gaza a couple of years ago.

It seems some Turkish guy living in Pocono Pa is part of the coup!

Kari posted:

Looks like a fractured coup attempt as it unfolds.

You have police and some Armed Forces on President Erdogan’s side, and the army mutineers on the other.

Erdogan is from the Islamist party that is violently opposed to the Kurds who have helped the US in the fight against ISIS on both sides of the Turkish/Syrian border.

Erdogan has been a reliable supporter of Israel, except that period of time when Israelis fired on Turkish boats taking supplies to Gaza a couple of years ago.

That is one kankawa shot-gun analysis!!

Which one you have a problem with? Erdogan does not like Kurds? Erdogan ois friendly with Israel? Erdogan is an Islamist? Which one, D-2 imposter?

* A D-2 imposter ia a fake know-it-all

Seems like a coup would be good for Turkey

RiffRaff posted:

Seems like a coup would be good for Turkey

It's getting messy.  Seems the military is divided, the coup plotters trying to shoot down AF F-16s.  Five civilians shot to death, the coup is expanding!!

RiffRaff posted:

Seems like a coup would be good for Turkey

I don't like any kind of violence. I turned the channel when I started hearing the gunshots. Erdogan has been there since the 90's. Maybe it is time for new blood. But no spilled blood please.

The Turkish people took to the streets and faced the military.  Many of them stood in harm's way and surrendered their lives to save the current government.  Over 150 are now dead.  The Coup has apparently failed.  

The Turkish military should try to do another coup and put an end to this fool.

It has collapsed.  They screwed up in not taking over the TV outlets asap.

Do you people supporting the military coup realize that Turkey is one of the few countries working with the US in fighting ISIS?   A military takeover of Turkey means opening the door for ISIS to destroy all of you!  At some point.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Do you people supporting the military coup realize that Turkey is one of the few countries working with the US in fighting ISIS?   A military takeover of Turkey means opening the door for ISIS to destroy all of you!  At some point.

Not sure why anyone would support the coup, he was democratically elected.  However, there are some things about him which is bothersome, mainly his Islamic tendencies.  But thus far, he have not crossed to the Dark Side.

Turkey is one of the few nations on earth where the military is tasked with protecting democracy and the constitution.  However, in this case, it was a small faction within the military and not the while military,, as such, I question their motives!

Anyone who support a coup, then must agree with the Coup d'etat which occurred in Guyana on May 11, 2015!!

Meanwhile all these 'experts' on TV especially Fox News have dusted off their suits and presented themselves to give their 'expert' opinions on the matter there. Fox News has already started pushing the idea that a military success would have been netter for the US. Funny how we like to nonchalantly wish military activities on other nations while we squealed at the mass shootings here when military activities are much more significant and destructive.

That said, I am very happy to wake up to a resolution to this coup. I can't deal with any more bloodshed. Hopefully Erdogan don't see this as a political mandate because he has only 50% of the population on his side. Hopefully he sees this as a narrow escape from a destruction of Turkey and begin working with the Opposition to facilitate political representation to all Turks.

Islamic leadership survived by a slim chance and I am happy that the few soldiers were captured.

Erdogan need to take a strong message from what happened in the past 36 hours. The masses supported an elected Government but the Government must understand that they have to be less authoritative. Banning and jailing Journalists are not the way to go, not allowing opposition forces to gather and other such things are not the way to go.

It will be interesting to see how Erdogan and his Government will respond in the coming days and months.

This fool Erdogan has taken a soft approach to ISIS. He is also firing secular military officers. There needs to be a second coup but this time taking him out of the picture early.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Do you people supporting the military coup realize that Turkey is one of the few countries working with the US in fighting ISIS?   A military takeover of Turkey means opening the door for ISIS to destroy all of you!  At some point.

Erdogan is more interested in the continuing subjugation of the Kurds, just as they've put pressure on the US congress not to acknowledge that the Ottoman Turks engaged in Armenian genocide a century ago.

Erdogan is a self-described Islamist (where the hell they go using that term) who suppressed the media and locked up those who disgreed with him. He was lucky the same social media he tried to get rid of saved his Administration.

He's not interested in helping the US fight ISIS. He even dragged his feet on border control with Syria which allowed a lot of Jihadists (that term again - maybe Cribman is right about Islam) to get into Syria.

Then there is his dual support for Hamas and Israel - maybe because he wanted to be in the EU. And of course Turkey is a member of NATO.

I wonder about Obama's policy towards Erdogan.

Kari posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Do you people supporting the military coup realize that Turkey is one of the few countries working with the US in fighting ISIS?   A military takeover of Turkey means opening the door for ISIS to destroy all of you!  At some point.

Erdogan is more interested in the continuing subjugation of the Kurds, just as they've put pressure on the US congress not to acknowledge that the Ottoman Turks engaged in Armenian genocide a century ago.

Erdogan is a self-described Islamist (where the hell they go using that term) who suppressed the media and locked up those who disgreed with him. He was lucky the same social media he tried to get rid of saved his Administration.

He's not interested in helping the US fight ISIS. He even dragged his feet on border control with Syria which allowed a lot of Jihadists (that term again - maybe Cribman is right about Islam) to get into Syria.

Then there is his dual support for Hamas and Israel - maybe because he wanted to be in the EU. And of course Turkey is a member of NATO.

I wonder about Obama's policy towards Erdogan.

Kari, this is a reflection of the complex history, complex society and competing interest within the republic itself.  What should the US do as long as he walks a tight rope?  Turkey in a NATO ally and a democratic nation.  Turkey also sees itself as a counter-weight to Iran!

Your bai Obama could hardly get anything right in this straight-laced republic and your hero leader in Guyana could hardly figure out what to do in a binary republic with 750k people vs Istanbul alone with 14.5 Mil.

As long as Erdogan don't cross too far to the dark side, there is little options except if you want to suppress the will of the people!

Kari posted:

Erdogan is more interested in the continuing subjugation of the Kurds, just as they've put pressure on the US congress not to acknowledge that the Ottoman Turks engaged in Armenian genocide a century ago.

Erdogan is a self-described Islamist (where the hell they go using that term) who suppressed the media and locked up those who disgreed with him. He was lucky the same social media he tried to get rid of saved his Administration.

He's not interested in helping the US fight ISIS. He even dragged his feet on border control with Syria which allowed a lot of Jihadists (that term again - maybe Cribman is right about Islam) to get into Syria.

Then there is his dual support for Hamas and Israel - maybe because he wanted to be in the EU. And of course Turkey is a member of NATO.

I wonder about Obama's policy towards Erdogan.

Isn't that the truth. Politicians only care for what serves them. I hope he have a wake up call.

It looks more like the Islamists took power...

They beheaded a soldier who surrendered..

Lucas posted:

They beheaded a soldier who surrendered..

Those people can't help themselves.   I was hoping for some sort of reconciliation and cooperation between the government and the opposition. Now punishment is necessary because many people got killed and injured but would it hurt to imprison them instead?