caribny posted:

yuji22 posted:

Bai Carib, Bibi is of zero significance to the PPP. You are blowing smoke and hallucinating. Are you smoking cheap Canadian weed ?

Bibi represents thousands of people who feel the way that she does.  The PPP cannot win only on the rural Indian vote.  

As Mr. Ali remarked by what politicians are saying, they are making up decisions based on their own experiences and calculations.

The voters in GuynaA will definitely take into consideration, what was their situation before the AFC/APNU Gov't and where they currently are.

yuji22 posted:

Chief posted:

Attended the breakfast this morning.

A fairly good turn out for a paid event so early on a Sunday morning, 95% of the attendees  age 55 and over with 98 % being Indian. It  was not a question and answer event.

Mr. Irfan Ali made a good presentation, he addressed the issue about him being President Jagdeo Puppet. He said like in any organization, the leaders look for the individual who can take the organization to the next level, He said , it is not about him but it is about the entire leadership of the Party. Mr. Ali went on to say that the PPP is now very transparent and their upcoming  new manifesto which is in the  making  is now opened for suggestions and contributions from all. 

Hr spoke about the depletion of the foreign reserve by the AFC/APNU Govt  and how things are now so much worse for Guyanese since the PPP was voted out of office. Mr. Ali said he and the PPP will be there for everyone including every race and class.

 

Now that I have heard Mr. Ali, I think  the leaders of the PPP made  a good choice.

 

Thank You Chief. 

I attended the Toronto dinner at IMO in of which I will present a full report starting tomorrow. The PPP is sending the correct signals and admitted to their mistakes.

Ali will be his own man. The PPP made a good choice with Ali.

Definitely!

Chief posted:

 

The Prime Minister of Dominica is a very proactive and very visible on social media.

Dealing with his own country's numerous problems. Reportedly as many as 20k people have had to flee that island because their economy was destroyed.

Guyana remains the  dysfunctional brat.  Aside from T&T its the only English speaking Caribbean island with the ability to be viable, and yet it remains at the bottom of all indices of socio-economic development in the region.  With Guyanese, both skilled and unskilled, living in those places in large numbers.

The other members are tired of Guyana.

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

 

The Prime Minister of Dominica is a very proactive and very visible on social media.

Dealing with his own country's numerous problems. Reportedly as many as 20k people have had to flee that island because their economy was destroyed.

Guyana remains the  dysfunctional brat.  Aside from T&T its the only English speaking Caribbean island with the ability to be viable, and yet it remains at the bottom of all indices of socio-economic development in the region.

The other members are tired of Guyana.

No doubt the level of corruption from successive Governments is the reason why Guyana is where it is at today.

Guyanese who voted for change in the last election has come to realize it was an exchange. The AFC/APNU Gov't is as big disappointment. 

Chief posted:

 

Is anything wrong with that?

I have said time and time again that Jagdeo is playing from Forbes hand book.

Oh yes I recall you were another one who became enraged when I called Burnham a monster who destroyed blacks.  No wonder you aren't repelled by the degree to which Jagdeo has adopted Burnham tactics.

The three most destructive forces in Guyana were Janet Jagan, Forbes Burnham and Bharat Jagdeo. All power hungry creatures who would stop at nothing to totally dominate Guyana.

Bai Carib, you are like a tractor stuck in mud !

yuji22 posted:

Bai Carib, you are like a tractor stuck in mud !

Yuji, there is a video from facebook showing a vulgar PNC supporter Andrea McPhoy. Check it out and see if you can. You will see the mentality of the PNC. If you can, please post it. 

Chief posted:

 

Carib J

Please remember  Indians voted for the AFC AS WELL, IT WAS NOT ONLY BLACKS AND COLORED.

Not Berbice Indians.  They fled back to the Cup as soon as Jagdeo told them that "black man government can rape dey daughters".

Try GT Indians.   And many were voting for the AFC even before Nagamootoo joined.

All you need to do is to compare the Region 6 2011 results with 2015 and note that all of the increase in votes went to the PPP.  Even as the Coalition saw an increase in votes elsewhere when compared to the combined APNU and AFC votes of 2011. Given that 1/3 of the population of Region 6 is black or mixed, and I see no evidence that their behavior differs from the rest of the country, it is quite clear that the increase in voter turn out from these blocs was offset by Indians defecting from the AFC back to the PPP.

The question will be how GT Indians vote and given that this is a soft bloc for the PPP its where the Bibi type of frustration might most manifest in not voting.

yuji22 posted:

Bai Carib, you are like a tractor stuck in mud !

Now resume your sheep like sounds, "Jagdeo is my God, Jagdeo is my God, Jagdeo is my God, he can do to me what ever he wants".

The limitation of your cognitive abilities restricts you to bleating whatever Jagdeo orders you to bleat.

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

 

Carib J

Please remember  Indians voted for the AFC AS WELL, IT WAS NOT ONLY BLACKS AND COLORED.

Not Berbice Indians.  They fled back to the Cup as soon as Jagdeo told them that "black man government can rape dey daughters".

Try GT Indians.   And many were voting for the AFC even before Nagamootoo joined.

All you need to do is to compare the Region 6 2011 results with 2015 and note that all of the increase in votes went to the PPP.  Even as the Coalition saw an increase in votes elsewhere when compared to the combined APNU and AFC votes of 2011. Given that 1/3 of the population of Region 6 is black or mixed, and I see no evidence that their behavior differs from the rest of the country, it is quite clear that the increase in voter turn out from these blocs was offset by Indians defecting from the AFC back to the PPP.

The question will be how GT Indians vote and given that this is a soft bloc for the PPP its where the Bibi type of frustration might most manifest in not voting.

Racism is in the fabric of Guyanese society. You believe differently. You believe that only Indians are racists.

skeldon_man posted:

 

 

 

You believe that only Indians are racists.

You know what is interesting is that I have said that BOTH groups have engaged in racism, which means that I said that blacks ALSO engage in racism.

Posters other than the Indo Nazis have acknowledged that I have stated this. Ronan has said this as has iguana and also most of the blacks who abandoned this cesspit of Indo Nazi behavior.

The only ones who claims that I didn't say that BOTH groups have been racist are the Indo Nazis because they do NOT want any discussion of Indian racism, this while they endless rant about abuse of Indians by blacks.

Chief posted:

 

Guyanese who voted for change in the last election has come to realize it was an exchange. The AFC/APNU Gov't is as big disappointment. 

This is true.  The sad part is that I predicted it BEFORE they assumed gov't given that I saw and still see the PNC as a party of idiots (still suffering from the destruction wrought on their brains by Burnham) and the AFC as a bunch of ambulance chasers.

It was amazing that as soon as they assumed power they displayed levels of arrogance that led one to believe that they didn't think that they would ever face the electorate. And that they didn't understand the built in advantage that the PPP enjoys with its dominance of the Indian and Amerindian votes.

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

 

Is anything wrong with that?

I have said time and time again that Jagdeo is playing from Forbes hand book.

Oh yes I recall you were another one who became enraged when I called Burnham a monster who destroyed blacks.  No wonder you aren't repelled by the degree to which Jagdeo has adopted Burnham tactics.

The three most destructive forces in Guyana were Janet Jagan, Forbes Burnham and Bharat Jagdeo. All power hungry creatures who would stop at nothing to totally dominate Guyana.

You and I do share a lot in common but here is where we part company. 

Burnham destroyed every race not only blacks. The Portuguese who had successful businesses in Gt,  closed up and had to run to Canada.

I have maintained  that Blacks suffered more than Indians under the Burnham dictatorship.

 Indians took advantage of the banned items and started to to farm and produce local products. One good example, The people of Bath Settlement on the West Coast Of Berbice . Every household in that predominantly Indian village started to plant schallots when Burnham banned onions. In one year time, the entire village had new houses. In the adjoining Villages, where blacks was living, the condition was like night and day. They did not farm and the rest is history. Both the Kabaka and Dr. Reid (who hailed from a farming village on the Essequibo) pointed that out to PNC members at No 28 Village GOV'T SCHOOL AT ONE OF OUR West Berbice Meeting. Dr Reid told the Africans that they are lazy, the PNC gave them jobs and when they come home in the afternoon, they do nothing.

Indians from the Corentyne took advantage of the banning of food items and Corriverton became the unofficial capital of Guyana. 

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

 

Carib J

Please remember  Indians voted for the AFC AS WELL, IT WAS NOT ONLY BLACKS AND COLORED.

Not Berbice Indians.  They fled back to the Cup as soon as Jagdeo told them that "black man government can rape dey daughters".

Try GT Indians.   And many were voting for the AFC even before Nagamootoo joined.

All you need to do is to compare the Region 6 2011 results with 2015 and note that all of the increase in votes went to the PPP.  Even as the Coalition saw an increase in votes elsewhere when compared to the combined APNU and AFC votes of 2011. Given that 1/3 of the population of Region 6 is black or mixed, and I see no evidence that their behavior differs from the rest of the country, it is quite clear that the increase in voter turn out from these blocs was offset by Indians defecting from the AFC back to the PPP.

The question will be how GT Indians vote and given that this is a soft bloc for the PPP its where the Bibi type of frustration might most manifest in not voting.

The fact of the matter is Indians voted for the AFC. Regardless if they were GT Indians.

THIS DEBUNKED YOUR RACIST NONSENSE THAT ONLY AFRICANS AND COLORED VOTED FOR THE AFC.

Chief posted:

 

You and I do share a lot in common but here is where we part company. 

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I have maintained  that Blacks suffered more than Indians under the Burnham dictatorship.

 

 

 

 

So where is the disagreement then?  He destroyed blacks and undermined efforts by those who wished to be independent. He chased out the black middle class in the same way as he chased out the Portuguese because he saw these as a threat to his domination. 

Rather than encouraging the black grass roots at a minimum to maintain the level of self sufficiency that they had displayed in the colonial era he rewarded them with party patronage. This to render them dependent on him. By the 70s Buxton was a shadow of what it was in the 40s and 50s.

And those blacks who were entrepreneurial enough to attempt to take advantage of his destroyed economy as you say that Indians did, he went after with a sledge hammer.  That is unless they were part of his PNC inner circle.

Given the ravages of the post slavery colonial era, where plantation oligarchs set out to undermine efforts by blacks to become successful farmers and petty traders, blacks became risk averse and dependent on jobs in the public sector.  If Burnham really cared about blacks he would have fostered the development of an independent black business sector much as we now see in many of the majority black Caribbean islands.  This to unravel what the colonial era had done to their self confidence.

The last thing that Burnham wanted was the rise of a prosperous black business class. He hated that with all the venom that those in the colonial era did.

The fact remains that blacks in Guyana and T&T are less entrepreneurial than their counterparts in places like Grenada, Barbados and Jamaica.  You can blame the PNM and the PNC for that. 

Chief posted:

THIS DEBUNKED YOUR RACIST NONSENSE THAT ONLY AFRICANS AND COLORED VOTED FOR THE AFC.

I have said that Indians in GT together with blacks and mixed voted for the Coalition.  Many many times I have said so.  In fact I said so even when the GT results in 2015 came out and the PPP greatly underperformed

Scream and cry as much as you will but the inroads that the AFC made in Regions 5 and 6 in 2011 were gone in 2015.   Rural Indians cannot deal with the prospect of a black dominated government and you know that fully well.  In 2011 they saw Nagamootoo as a head of the AFC.  By 2015 they saw him as a PNC stooge. Look how the PPP clowns here boasted about how poorly the AFC did in Ramjattan's and Nagamootoo's villages in 2015.  

c

 

Carib,

It will be interesting to hear what you have to say as to what and how Guyana can move forward.

caribny posted:

Given the ravages of the post slavery colonial era, where plantation oligarchs set out to undermine efforts by blacks to become successful farmers and petty traders, blacks became risk averse and dependent on jobs in the public sector.  If Burnham really cared about blacks he would have fostered the development of an independent black business sector much as we now see in many of the majority black Caribbean islands.  This to unravel what the colonial era had done to their self confidence.

Interesting that you blame everyone from Chinese, whites, coolies and maybe the natives for the economic status of Guyanese negroes. How about blaming them for not trying hard enough to climb the ladder? It's not how many times you fell; it's how many times you got up. Maybe you and Snowy need to return to Guyana and coach your people.

Chief posted:

 

You and I do share a lot in common but here is where we part company. 

 Dr Reid told the Africans that they are lazy, the PNC gave them jobs and when they come home in the afternoon, they do nothing.

 

Yes this is funny.  They gave people those jobs to buy their support and dying loyalty and buttressing the ethnic triumphalism of the day. Then when the people decided that doing nothing all day in a gov't office and screaming YSM nonsense and terrorizing senior civil servants was a good life then the PNC calls them lazy. 

Yes they became "lazy" when the PNC ran out of cash to maintain a bloated civil service and rather than admitting to their error they blamed black people.  They could have rewarded the most enterprising farmers in the black villages, but instead they hired their sons away from them to become YSM nuisances singing "Burnham songs" all day.  What was rewarded was laziness.  Those who focused on working hard and accumulating wealth were accused of being "capitalists" and "having a colonial mentality".

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

THIS DEBUNKED YOUR RACIST NONSENSE THAT ONLY AFRICANS AND COLORED VOTED FOR THE AFC.

By 2015 they saw him as a PNC stooge. Look how the PPP clowns here boasted about how poorly the AFC did in Ramjattan's and Nagamootoo's villages in 2015.  

Actually that's a lie,

Auchlyne/Whim 2015 Elections.

APNU/ AFC :  227 votes

PPP               :  476 votes

Carib,

You have to be careful of what you are saying. Facts are easily available to obtain. Do not try to come with false figures to justify tour racial divisiveness.

caribny posted:

The fact remains that blacks in Guyana and T&T are less entrepreneurial than their counterparts in places like Grenada, Barbados and Jamaica.  You can blame the PNM and the PNC for that. 

Last weekend I was in Martinique and I noticed quite a few Chinese, running some small businesses. I also ran into a St Lucian coconut street vendor who is doing brisk business.  

Django posted:

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

THIS DEBUNKED YOUR RACIST NONSENSE THAT ONLY AFRICANS AND COLORED VOTED FOR THE AFC.

By 2015 they saw him as a PNC stooge. Look how the PPP clowns here boasted about how poorly the AFC did in Ramjattan's and Nagamootoo's villages in 2015.  

Actually that's a lie,

Auchlyne/Whim 2015 Elections.

APNU/ AFC :  227 votes

PPP               :  476 votes

Region 6 results.  In 2011 the PPP got 32.3k votes and the combined APNU/AFC won 22.3k votes.  In 2015 the PPP won 39.6 votes (7.4 more than in 2011) while the coalition won 22.1 k 200 FEWER than in 2011.

Nationwide the coalition saw an increase in votes by 18% and yet they LOST votes in region 6? Clearly the increased turn out within the PNC areas in Region 6 like New Amsterdam was offset by a vote swinging towards the PPP.  The PPP saw its votes increase by 22% in region 6.

The Coalition underperformed in Region 6 because the AFC lost ground.

caribny posted:

Django posted:

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

THIS DEBUNKED YOUR RACIST NONSENSE THAT ONLY AFRICANS AND COLORED VOTED FOR THE AFC.

By 2015 they saw him as a PNC stooge. Look how the PPP clowns here boasted about how poorly the AFC did in Ramjattan's and Nagamootoo's villages in 2015.  

Actually that's a lie,

Auchlyne/Whim 2015 Elections.

APNU/ AFC :  227 votes

PPP               :  476 votes

Region 6 results.  In 2011 the PPP got 32.3k votes and the combined APNU/AFC won 22.3k votes.  In 2015 the PPP won 39.6 votes (7.4 more than in 2011) while the coalition won 22.1 k 200 FEWER than in 2011.

Nationwide the coalition saw an increase in votes by 18% and yet they LOST votes in region 6? Clearly the increased turn out within the PNC areas in Region 6 like New Amsterdam was offset by a vote swinging towards the PPP.  The PPP saw its votes increase by 22% in region 6.

The Coalition underperformed in Region 6 because the AFC lost ground.

 

 

Winds of change are blowing. AFC is dead meat as the AFC boys preached.

I thought this thread is about President Ali Rockstar visit to NY.   Why are talking about black peoples.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I thought this thread is about President Ali Rockstar visit to NY.   Why are talking about black peoples.

Gyal, give the man a couple months, he will lose the weight and be a rockstar.

Chief posted:

c

 

Carib,

It will be interesting to hear what you have to say as to what and how Guyana can move forward.

The population needs to cease being corrupt. Stakeholders need to cease being corrupt.  Guyanese are corrupt through and through which is why the country is so sordid.  I can think of no other nation in the English Caribbean where someone can steal someone else's property while it is being occupied merely by bribing someone to change title ownership.

The PPP and the PNC are corrupt because Guyanese allow them to be. NO WAY that this would be allowed in Barbados.

Chief posted:

caribny posted:

The fact remains that blacks in Guyana and T&T are less entrepreneurial than their counterparts in places like Grenada, Barbados and Jamaica.  You can blame the PNM and the PNC for that. 

Last weekend I was in Martinique and I noticed quite a few Chinese, running some small businesses. I also ran into a St Lucian coconut street vendor who is doing brisk business.  

Martinique is a French "colony". so isnt relevant to my comments.

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

c

 

Carib,

It will be interesting to hear what you have to say as to what and how Guyana can move forward.

The population needs to cease being corrupt. Stakeholders need to cease being corrupt.  Guyanese are corrupt through and through which is why the country is so sordid.  I can think of no other nation in the English Caribbean where someone can steal someone else's property while it is being occupied merely by bribing someone to change title ownership.

The PPP and the PNC are corrupt because Guyanese allow them to be. NO WAY that this would be allowed in Barbados.

Nobody cares about Barbados.

caribny posted:

Django posted:

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

THIS DEBUNKED YOUR RACIST NONSENSE THAT ONLY AFRICANS AND COLORED VOTED FOR THE AFC.

By 2015 they saw him as a PNC stooge. Look how the PPP clowns here boasted about how poorly the AFC did in Ramjattan's and Nagamootoo's villages in 2015.  

Actually that's a lie,

Auchlyne/Whim 2015 Elections.

APNU/ AFC :  227 votes

PPP               :  476 votes

Region 6 results.  In 2011 the PPP got 32.3k votes and the combined APNU/AFC won 22.3k votes.  In 2015 the PPP won 39.6 votes (7.4 more than in 2011) while the coalition won 22.1 k 200 FEWER than in 2011.

Nationwide the coalition saw an increase in votes by 18% and yet they LOST votes in region 6? Clearly the increased turn out within the PNC areas in Region 6 like New Amsterdam was offset by a vote swinging towards the PPP.  The PPP saw its votes increase by 22% in region 6.

The Coalition underperformed in Region 6 because the AFC lost ground.

All stated are true, i specifically mentioned Naga's hometown.

The Coalition votes aren't  from PPP strong holds, it's from their strongholds, APNU/AFC  can win the Elections easily by encouraging their supporters to turn out in full force.The percentage of turnout in PPP stronghold are larger than the Coalition's turnout.

I am see you g this differently. 

People who voted for AFC are not  happy with them and might end up staying away from voting.

Prashad was in Richmond Hill during his month-long stay in Harlem. Richmond Hill reminds him of Bourda market at 6 pm. The smell of rotten fruit and vegetables is everywhere. Harlem smell like a fresh rose compare to Richmond Hill.

Chief posted:

I am see you g this differently. 

People who voted for AFC are not  happy with them and might end up staying away from voting.

Wouldn't count on that, their support aren't wholly East Indians.

So Carib when you are not eating, sleeping, and dreaming racism?  What do you do in your spare time?   Which team you picking for the super bowl tonight?

Chief posted:

I am see you g this differently. 

People who voted for AFC are not  happy with them and might end up staying away from voting.

The Muslim faction of the AFC will vote for President Ali.

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

c

 

Carib,

It will be interesting to hear what you have to say as to what and how Guyana can move forward.

The population needs to cease being corrupt. Stakeholders need to cease being corrupt.  Guyanese are corrupt through and through which is why the country is so sordid.  I can think of no other nation in the English Caribbean where someone can steal someone else's property while it is being occupied merely by bribing someone to change title ownership.

The PPP and the PNC are corrupt because Guyanese allow them to be. NO WAY that this would be allowed in Barbados.

Corruption is a product of greed on one side and inequities on the other.  Corruption cannot just be wished away. Neither the carrot nnor stick alone will work.  And You need both and give people skin in the game. 

Chief posted:

Carib,

You have to be careful of what you are saying. Facts are easily available to obtain. Do not try to come with false figures to justify tour racial divisiveness.

 

And I provided the facts to prove my point.  The fact is that even in his own village Nagamootoo was rejected and clearly he did worse else where on the Corentyne.

Baseman posted:

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Corruption is a product of greed on one side and inequities on the other.  Corruption cannot just be wished away. Neither the carrot nnor stick alone will work.  And You need both and give people skin in the game. 

Elsewhere in the English Caribbean corruption is the concern of business people.  In Guyana even the poor are impacted by corruption because it is practiced by everyone.  It is part of the culture, which is why Guyana will remain rotten.

skeldon_man posted:

 

 

Nobody cares about Barbados.

Tell that to the 20k Guyanese who live on that island and the 60k people living in Guyana who they feed.

Django posted:

Chief posted:

I am see you g this differently. 

People who voted for AFC are not  happy with them and might end up staying away from voting.

Wouldn't count on that, their support aren't wholly East Indians.

In fact at least 50% weren't Indians, aside from 2011 when some in Region 6 wanted to spite the PPP by siding with Nagamootoo.