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Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 There are very strong scientific evidence supporting it. I may or may not contribute to the thread.

 

Let me think about this one before responding.

 


yuji:

 

* You don't have to respond directly to my post or comments in social---I am curious to read your views on reincarnation----post it in the Timely death thread---you're in good company---Jesus, Buddha, Moses, hindu religion, etc, etc all believed in reincarnation.

 

Rev

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Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on.....

So, you didn't fight in Jagan's PPP as I did because, as a Bramhana, you're "responsible for promoting spiritual education."

But, as a Bramhana you're fighting tooth and nail here for Jagdeo-Ramotar-Rohee's PPP.

Thanks for your "spiritual education, Bramhana yuji22.

BTW, Reep the Brahmin fought side by side with Jagan the Marxist-Leninist.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on.....

So, you didn't fight in Jagan's PPP as I did because, as a Bramhana, you're "responsible for promoting spiritual education."

But, as a Bramhana you're fighting tooth and nail here for Jagdeo-Ramotar-Rohee's PPP.

Thanks for your "spiritual education, Bramhana yuji22.

BTW, Reep the Brahmin fought side by side with Jagan the Marxist-Leninist.

 

Gil,

 

Reep was one of a kind. My father told me, (he is now retired at 76) that Reep had politics in his blood even before becoming a Hindu Pandit. He remembered Reep delivering a thunderous political speech in Berbice at a very young age. 

 

To each his own, I followed my call.

 

I vowed (at a very young age) to use my resources to combat the PNC after seeing them kicking a very young PPP ballet box hero to death.

 

I do not deny your rightful place in history in fighting with Dr. Jagan in attempting to remove the PNC.

 

What is troubling is that you are now supporting the same old PNC. Granger just rigged his own leadership race. 

 

I wish you well in you current endeavours but I can assure that the PPP will win another majority.

 

The Mahabharat has many historical references where fighters switch sides to fight with the evil Kauravas but they were all defeated. You are on the wrong side of political history.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on.....

So, you didn't fight in Jagan's PPP as I did because, as a Bramhana, you're "responsible for promoting spiritual education."

But, as a Bramhana you're fighting tooth and nail here for Jagdeo-Ramotar-Rohee's PPP.

Thanks for your "spiritual education, Bramhana yuji22.

BTW, Reep the Brahmin fought side by side with Jagan the Marxist-Leninist.

 

Gil,

 

Reep was one of a kind. My father told me, (he is now retired at 76) that Reep had politics in his blood even before becoming a Hindu Pandit. He remembered Reep delivering a thunderous political speech in Berbice at a very young age. 

 

To each his own, I followed my call.

 

I vowed (at a very young age) to use my resources to combat the PNC after seeing them kicking a very young PPP ballet box hero to death.

 

I do not deny your rightful place in history in fighting with Dr. Jagan in attempting to remove the PNC.

 

What is troubling is that you are now supporting the same old PNC. Granger just rigged his own leadership race. 

 

I wish you well in you current endeavours but I can assure that the PPP will win another majority.

 

The Mahabharat has many historical references where fighters switch sides to fight with the evil Kauravas but they were all defeated. You are on the wrong side of political history.

If loving the AFC is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

 

Gilly,

 

I love my music. Cain can buss up a nice tune.

 

On a serious note, I am an audiophile. 

 

I called for a GNI summer get together but many here voted it down. O well...

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

So how do you explain the Sacred Thread rituals of the Brahmins? One has to be born a Brahmin inorder to inherit such a devine favour. Is like being predestined. 

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 There are very strong scientific evidence supporting it. I may or may not contribute to the thread.

 

Let me think about this one before responding.

 


yuji:

 

* You don't have to respond directly to my post or comments in social---I am curious to read your views on reincarnation----post it in the Timely death thread---you're in good company---Jesus, Buddha, Moses, hindu religion, etc, etc all believed in reincarnation.

 

Rev

Weh yuh get that piece of information from?

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

Since the teachings of Vaishana Bramhana contradict the idea of bramhana blood and kshatriya blood you should not be bragging about your bramhana blood.

Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

Since the teachings of Vaishana Bramhana contradict the idea of bramhana blood and kshatriya blood you should not be bragging about your bramhana blood.

"THE GREATEST SIN IS TO THINK YOURSELF WEAK"  Swami Vivekananda

 http://www.iskconcultunveiled.com/

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

 

Gilly,

 

I love my music. Cain can buss up a nice tune.

 

On a serious note, I am an audiophile. 

 

I called for a GNI summer get together but many here voted it down. O well...

Dem GNI peeps probably mistake "audiophile" for "pedophile." O well...poor yuji, always getting put down.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

Bhai Gil,

You sure you want "Wong Ping"? If Cain is to bring his guitar for Wong Ping, does have to bring the "chinee brush" too? At your age and my age, chinee brush will kill us.

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

Bhai Gil,

You sure you want "Wong Ping"? If Cain is to bring his guitar for Wong Ping, does have to bring the "chinee brush" too? At your age and my age, chinee brush will kill us.

Skelly, yuji and his compadres who promote Bai Shan Lin like China brush.

Gilbakka and KN and opponents of Bai love our Guyana bush.

We must never trade our centuries-old forest/bush for instant gratification.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

Since the teachings of Vaishana Bramhana contradict the idea of bramhana blood and kshatriya blood you should not be bragging about your bramhana blood.

"THE GREATEST SIN IS TO THINK YOURSELF WEAK"  Swami Vivekananda

 http://www.iskconcultunveiled.com/

Do we have any Arya Samaj on thid BB to give us his/her take on this? Do Aryans believe in all nonsense? I believe that all human beings are born equal and it is the rich who created religion to suppress the poor. 

U have to consider the world was never the way it is today And it changes moment by moment. If a person lives long enough, then suddenly they are aware of the changes. But every day they doan see those changes.

 

The ancient world(on this particular topic) had the Hittites and the Dravidians. The Hittites expanded their borders from Anatolia well into todays India, pushing the Dravidians more and more into the southern regions-where the Dravidians encountered the TRibal people of the south. Eventually, the conquered became conquerers-imposing the Hittite culture of gods and goodess(Indra being the King of the gods) and even the sari-for they lived among the conquering Hittites.

 

The Aryans would come much later, also with their gods.The Aryans brought the notion of holy men, namely the Brahmins who knew all the chants to appease the gods. Conquering the Indus civilization, and later moved along the River Ganges to other communities they would impose their systems of life. Castes.

 

By the time the Brahmins reached south india, the Dravidians were a force to contend with.

 

The religious practices of the Hittites and the Aryans merged into the beliefs of the Dravidians making the Tamils a race of people that built huge monuments(temples) to the gods.  

 

  

 

 

 

Originally Posted by seignet:

U have to consider the world was never the way it is today And it changes moment by moment. If a person lives long enough, then suddenly they are aware of the changes. But every day they doan see those changes.

 

The ancient world(on this particular topic) had the Hittites and the Dravidians. The Hittites expanded their borders from Anatolia well into todays India, pushing the Dravidians more and more into the southern regions-where the Dravidians encountered the TRibal people of the south. Eventually, the conquered became conquerers-imposing the Hittite culture of gods and goodess(Indra being the King of the gods) and even the sari-for they lived among the conquering Hittites.

 

The Aryans would come much later, also with their gods.The Aryans brought the notion of holy men, namely the Brahmins who knew all the chants to appease the gods. Conquering the Indus civilization, and later moved along the River Ganges to other communities they would impose their systems of life. Castes.

 

By the time the Brahmins reached south india, the Dravidians were a force to contend with.

 

The religious practices of the Hittites and the Aryans merged into the beliefs of the Dravidians making the Tamils a race of people that built huge monuments(temples) to the gods.  

 

  

 

 

 

 Some of the temples exist today,under British rule the hid it

 due to some of the carvings,the people were highly advanced

 i saw a documentary on National Geographic about the temples

 built when Raja Raja ruled.

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