BBC NEWS, AUGUST 25 --- Rights group Human Rights Watch has called on the Indian government to end "manual scavenging" - the practice of cleaning human waste by low-caste communities - in a new report.

The practice is banned by law in India, but it is rampant and activists say nearly 10 million are involved in this demeaning work which opens them to prejudice and abuse.

The report calls on the government "to ensure that local officials enforce the laws prohibiting this discriminatory practice".

 

Gangashree

Millions of people from low-caste communities remove human excrement from toilets which do not have the modern flush system and carry it away in cane baskets for disposal. Women from these castes - like Gangashree of Kasela village in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh - usually clean dry toilets in homes, while men do the more physically demanding cleaning of sewers and septic tanks. Gangashree carries the faeces in her basket to the outskirts of the village for disposal.

A woman in Kasela village

The centuries-old practice of manual scavenging is common in Kasela village in Uttar Pradesh, and the scavengers are still considered "untouchables". Here, a woman enters a home in the village through a rear entrance to remove excrement from non-flush toilets.

Manisha, Mainpuri district, Uttar Pradesh, January 2014

Manisha who lives in Uttar Pradesh's Mainpuri district cleans toilets in 20 homes every day. "I use a tin plate and broom to remove the excrement that has collected in the toilet, I collect the excrement in a basket, and then I take it and throw it away. This work is so awful I don't feel like eating," she says.

Munnidevi, Etah district, Uttar Pradesh, January 2014

Munnidevi of the state's Etah district says she does not get any money for her work. "Sometimes they give two rotis (home-made bread), sometimes just one. One house did not give me anything for two or three days. So I stopped going there. If they give me nothing, why should I go? Then they came to threaten me: 'if you do not come, we will not let you on our land. Where will you get food for your animals?' We own four buffaloes. I went back to clean. I had to."

Anil, Dhule district, Maharashtra, March 2014

"The panchayat (village council) hires people to work as water suppliers, messengers, clerks, garbage collectors, and this work that I do - cleaning toilets," says Anil of Dhule district in the western state of Maharashtra. "If you are from the Mehatar caste, you have to do this work. You are not told this directly, but it is what you are hired to do and what is expected, even from the villagers. If there is excrement to clean, they will come and call us to do it."

Rajubai, Dhule district, Maharashtra, March 2014

"A village council brought our family here [from our native village in Maharashtra] to clean the dry toilets, water toilets, and open defecation. I collect all the excrement and throw it elsewhere. We actually want to go back home. We don't like it here," says Rajubai. "Because of this work, my health has declined. I eat very little food. It is very dirty work. But people are saying, the council will not allow us to leave and that is why they are not giving us the full payment."

Sevanti, Dewas district, Madhya Pradesh, January 2014

A campaign - Rashtriya Garima Abhiyan (National Campaign for Dignity) - launched by non-governmental organisation Jan Sahas helped liberate 11,000 manual scavengers in the central state of Madhya Pradesh. Sevanti, of Dewas district, says: "They told me that I could leave and this work was against the law. Before that, we were told we had to do it. There was no one who told us we didn't have to do it."

Sahina, Ujjain district, Madhya Pradesh, January 2014

Sahina of Madhya Pradesh's Ujjain district says: "I was made to sit separately at school while eating. Finally one day I got too frustrated by this. I threw my food down. Then I lost marks for speaking out against the way I was treated. I said to my teacher, 'If you mistreat me, and then fail me for responding, I won't come.'" It did not get better for Sahina and she soon dropped out.

Ashif Shaikh, founder and convener of Rashtriya Garima Abhiyan

Ashif Shaikh, founder and convener of Rashtriya Garima Abhiyan says: "The manual carrying of human faeces is not a form of employment, but an injustice akin to slavery. It is one of the most prominent forms of discrimination against Dalits [formerly untouchables], and it is central to the violation of their human rights."

Senajbi, Ujjain district, Madhya Pradesh, January 2014

Senajbi, a former manual scavenger, was able to get out in 2008 with help from Rashtriya Garima Abhiyan. "In 2010, I was elected to a seat reserved for women, representing my ward in the village. I have had proper drains and roads constructed," she says.

 

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It apparent that the cockeye and Neemaharam is from these places.

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA and parts of the world live under worse conditions.

 

Stop picking on Indians. India has the world fastest growing Middle Class.

Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

 

Yuji is of Bramhana stock.

 

I have and will always be at the top of the ladder. That is the harsh reality of the world. 

Oh you family change on the boat? 

Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

Public education was free in primary school. Dr. Jagan was the one who built some secondary schools and this allowed some of us to get free secondary education. God bless the man!

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

Public education was free in primary school. Dr. Jagan was the one who built some secondary schools and this allowed some of us to get free secondary education. God bless the man!

 

God Bless Guyana's Indo leader and saviour of all Guyanese.

Thanks Dr. Jagan.

Today the wicked and evil AFC is joining with the blacks in the PNC to block funding of University of Guyana.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unknown-1

 

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Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

Public education was free in primary school. Dr. Jagan was the one who built some secondary schools and this allowed some of us to get free secondary education. God bless the man!

Ye and Mr Burnham didnt do nothing for public education

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Thanks to Bharat Jadgeo for transforming Guyana's economy and bringing back dignity to Indo Guyanese. Thanks Bharat.

 

 

Unknown-1 copy

Transofrming to corruption, drugs and stealing

 

Indos are back on top. Thanks Bharat.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Thanks to Bharat Jadgeo for transforming Guyana's economy and bringing back dignity to Indo Guyanese. Thanks Bharat.

 

 

Unknown-1 copy

Transofrming to corruption, drugs and stealing

 

Indos are back on top. Thanks Bharat.

Funny because thank to Mr Jagdeo Indos now 39% 

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Thanks to Bharat Jadgeo for transforming Guyana's economy and bringing back dignity to Indo Guyanese. Thanks Bharat.

 

 

Unknown-1 copy

Transofrming to corruption, drugs and stealing

 

Indos are back on top. Thanks Bharat.

Funny because thank to Mr Jagdeo Indos now 39% 

 

Indos can be five percent. They are still on top.

Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

Public education was free in primary school. Dr. Jagan was the one who built some secondary schools and this allowed some of us to get free secondary education. God bless the man!

Ye and Mr Burnham didnt do nothing for public education

The standard of education fell that's why they chose to go with CXC and not GCE. That's an accomplishment.

Originally Posted by yuji22:

It apparent that the cockeye and Neemaharam is from these places.

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA and parts of the world live under worse conditions.

 

Stop picking on Indians. India has the world fastest growing Middle Class.

Fujiyama can you give me an example of some of these places in America? I am curious..........Please share your valuable knowledge........

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on, he would have informed you of my contribution to Sanatana Dharma. I fulfilled my obligation and will live and die by the Bhagavad Gita.

Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Reep was a crook who used to thief hub cap.

 

Fujiyama can you give me an example of some of these places in America? I am curious..........Please share your valuable knowledge........

He sex molest the girl too.

Originally Posted by Django:

Yugi22,who were really on top (1)brahmins or (2)kshatriyas from the little

i know number 2 were rulers and soldiers,i have some number 2 blood,

any way for me all humans are equal.

 

 

All are cerated equally. It is up us to choose our destiny or designations.

 

I travel the USA quite a bit and see poverty in some places that are worse than third world. Blacks are still at the bottom of the economic ladder.

 

It is for any individual to change their current situation. Obama became president, it was not handed to him. He worked very hard to get there.

 

This must be a lesson for blacks and others who are whining and complaining about governments. You as an individual are in charge of your destiny. Plan how to get there and you will reach your destiny.

 

Never be envious of those at the top. Network with them and have mentors at the top and you will also reach there.

 

yuji

 

 

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

Well said, Gilly! However, it's unfortunate that it will not end in our lifetime. 

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Django:

Yugi22,who were really on top (1)brahmins or (2)kshatriyas from the little

i know number 2 were rulers and soldiers,i have some number 2 blood,

any way for me all humans are equal.

 

 

All are cerated equally.

 

How are you equal to a cow or elephant? Can  you eat 100 lbs of hay a day?

How are you equal to a dog, fly or carrion crow? Do you eat shit or dead flesh?

How are you equal to your mother or wife? Can you become pregnant?

Originally Posted by yuji22:

It apparent that the cockeye and Neemaharam is from these places.

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA and parts of the world live under worse conditions.

 

Stop picking on Indians. India has the world fastest growing Middle Class.

dumb ass, some 90% of us are from this area. By our names one can tell even singhs and persauds are of these areas.

 

Where in the USA do you see people living like this. I have traveled all over this country and even the poor in Mississippi do not live like this.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
 

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.


* Lemme start by defining CASTE---it means social class

 

* The truth is caste is a state of mind.

 

* The truth is also caste is a disease of the mind.

 

* And lemme be bluntly honest. The teachings of the hindu religion are the root cause of this disease.

 

* WHO VEX, VEX!

 

* Rev always prides himself in telling the TRUTH.

 

Rev

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
 

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.


* Lemme start by defining CASTE---it means social class

 

* The truth is caste is a state of mind.

 

* The truth is also caste is a disease of the mind.

 

* And lemme be bluntly honest. The teachings of the hindu religion are the root cause of this disease.

 

* WHO VEX, VEX!

 

* Rev always prides himself in telling the TRUTH.

 

Rev

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Django:

Yugi22,who were really on top (1)brahmins or (2)kshatriyas from the little

i know number 2 were rulers and soldiers,i have some number 2 blood,

any way for me all humans are equal.

 

 

All are cerated equally.

 

How are you equal to a cow or elephant? Can  you eat 100 lbs of hay a day?

How are you equal to a dog, fly or carrion crow? Do you eat shit or dead flesh?

How are you equal to your mother or wife? Can you become pregnant?

Mit,you getting technical bhaiya.

Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by antabanta:

What color are Bramhana blood and Kshatriya blood?

Anta,you asking tough queston the color of the

human race blood is what bhai na red.

Bai... dem men hypocritically decry the injustices of the caste system then brag about dem brahmin and kshatriya blood.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

There has to be an ingrained practice that nobody dared to change.

 

The Mughals din bother messing with it.

 

The muslims neither.

 

Nor did the Sikhs

 

The British did not attempt to meddle with it, they simply called the untouchables who embraced christianity as Caste Christians.

 

The Kerala Communists steered clear of the issue.

 

Untouchables provide service to the other castes.

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

He insulted your mother, wife and sisters. Do you comprehend, what he meant when he stated that he is at the  top of the ladder and he is of Bramana stock? Neither, your wife, mother, siblings or you are of the Bramana stock. Right?

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

 

Yuji is of Bramhana stock.

 

I have and will always be at the top of the ladder. That is the harsh reality of the world. 


The Bramho Samaj doan have kind words fuh alyuh kind of hinduism.

Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

 

Yuji is of Bramhana stock.

 

I have and will always be at the top of the ladder. That is the harsh reality of the world. 

Oh you family change on the boat? 

They were of prime Dalit stock before boarding the boat.

 

Yugi would be one of those scavengers today if his family was not sent to B.G.

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

In the begining of Hinduism there was Chaturvarnya i.e Four Varna system,

brahmins, kshatriyas, vaishyas and shudras and prescribed specific roles for each,as time progress the four system was thrown out and 2800 caste evolved.I leave the rest for bhaigee Mitwah to extrapolate.

 

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

Yuji,this correct.

Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by antabanta:

What color are Bramhana blood and Kshatriya blood?

Anta,you asking tough queston the color of the

human race blood is what bhai na red.

Bai... dem men hypocritically decry the injustices of the caste system then brag about dem brahmin and kshatriya blood.

Anta, my paternal great grandparents who indentured themselves were Kshatriyas. Biologically I believe I have Kshatriya blood, that is, of the higher rank in the Indian caste system.

But, anta, I am against the pernicious caste system. Being of Kshatriya stock never stopped me from fraternizing, socializing, mixing and mingling with Hindus of lower castes or anyone else.

More than that, for most of my adult life I have fought on the side of the socially and culturally disadvantaged, the dispossessed, the so-called underdogs of society.

I repeat, the caste system is social apartheid, it must end just as South African apartheid ended.

Whites benefited from apartheid but many whites fought with the blacks to end that system. Likewise, a salt water Kshatriya like me is fighting with the chamars/untouchables to end casteism in India and other places.

I made my views known on a number of Indian social networks, telling them bluntly that casteism is India's curse.

There is no contradiction in my being a quasi-Kshatriya and fighting against the caste system.

That so-called Brahmin yuji22 is shamelessly defending the iniquitous caste system. Truth be told, it was the Brahmins who first conceived the idea of caste and put themselves at the top. It was the Brahmins who developed, implemented and refined the caste system through the ages. Today, the Brahmins in India are the fiercest defenders of the caste system. They eat and shit and don't want to clean their own toilets.

 

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

 

Yuji is of Bramhana stock.

 

I have and will always be at the top of the ladder. That is the harsh reality of the world. 

Dat musbe one small tarass stepladder.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.


yuji bhai:

 

* Thanks for the detailed explanation and clarification.

 

* Very interesting post above.

 

* That's why it's never good to judge people if you don't understand their point of view.

 

* Once again yuji---good post.

 

Rev

 

PS. Please share your views on after life/reincarnation in social---I know you'll disagree with my viewpoint---see my reply to bhai gilbakka---I don't believe in reincarnation---but I always respect those who disagree with me intelligently.

 

Click:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...3#407046113438910043

 

Rev

Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by Rev:

PAGING YUJI:

 

* Please go easy on gilbakka---read his post in social:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...6#406905375931076826

 

Rev

You must thank star you ancestor left UP. Mr Burnham give you a public education.  

 

Yuji is of Bramhana stock.

 

I have and will always be at the top of the ladder. That is the harsh reality of the world. 

Dat musbe one small tarass stepladder.

 

Cain

 

I like your sense of humour. Even though we disagree, you always make me have a good laugh on this BB with your excellent one line punches.

Originally Posted by Django:

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

Yuji,this correct.

 

Thanks Django.

 

 

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.


yuji bhai:

 

* Thanks for the detailed explanation and clarification.

 

* Very interesting post above.

 

* That's why it's never good to judge people if you don't understand their point of view.

 

* Once again yuji---good post.

 

Rev

 

PS. Please share your views on after life/reincarnation in social---I know you'll disagree with my viewpoint---see my reply to bhai gilbakka---I don't believe in reincarnation---but I always respect those who disagree with me intelligently.

 

Click:

 

https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/ti...3#407046113438910043

 

Rev

 

Thanks Rev.

 

It always a pleasure engaging at a level of mutual respect and understanding.

 

I have very strong opinions on Reincarnation. Even U.S presidents believed in it. My responses will be based on scripture and it may veer off in another direction.

 

There are very strong scientific evidence supporting it. I may or may not contribute to the thread.

 

Let me think about this one before responding.

 

 

Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 There are very strong scientific evidence supporting it. I may or may not contribute to the thread.

 

Let me think about this one before responding.

 


yuji:

 

* You don't have to respond directly to my post or comments in social---I am curious to read your views on reincarnation----post it in the Timely death thread---you're in good company---Jesus, Buddha, Moses, hindu religion, etc, etc all believed in reincarnation.

 

Rev

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on.....

So, you didn't fight in Jagan's PPP as I did because, as a Bramhana, you're "responsible for promoting spiritual education."

But, as a Bramhana you're fighting tooth and nail here for Jagdeo-Ramotar-Rohee's PPP.

Thanks for your "spiritual education, Bramhana yuji22.

BTW, Reep the Brahmin fought side by side with Jagan the Marxist-Leninist.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on.....

So, you didn't fight in Jagan's PPP as I did because, as a Bramhana, you're "responsible for promoting spiritual education."

But, as a Bramhana you're fighting tooth and nail here for Jagdeo-Ramotar-Rohee's PPP.

Thanks for your "spiritual education, Bramhana yuji22.

BTW, Reep the Brahmin fought side by side with Jagan the Marxist-Leninist.

 

Gil,

 

Reep was one of a kind. My father told me, (he is now retired at 76) that Reep had politics in his blood even before becoming a Hindu Pandit. He remembered Reep delivering a thunderous political speech in Berbice at a very young age. 

 

To each his own, I followed my call.

 

I vowed (at a very young age) to use my resources to combat the PNC after seeing them kicking a very young PPP ballet box hero to death.

 

I do not deny your rightful place in history in fighting with Dr. Jagan in attempting to remove the PNC.

 

What is troubling is that you are now supporting the same old PNC. Granger just rigged his own leadership race. 

 

I wish you well in you current endeavours but I can assure that the PPP will win another majority.

 

The Mahabharat has many historical references where fighters switch sides to fight with the evil Kauravas but they were all defeated. You are on the wrong side of political history.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Gil

 

Blacks in some parts o the USA live under worse conditions.

Casteism is India's curse.

Casteism is not Hinduism, it's a social invention.

Casteism is gross institutionalized inequality, worse than apartheid.

Casteism is blatant violation of human rights.

Casteism must end.

 

I agree that castism is not mentioned in any Vedic scripture.

 

How about you posting about poverty in Africa due to black dictators.

 

Any citizen in India has the right to vote and bring change. India is the world's largest democracy.

 

Africa has always been ruled by thugs and dictators. Guyana had two black dictators, Burnham and Hoyte who destroyed the country

 

How about you dedicating some of your energy towards  Black dictatorship and Black Poverty ?

 

 

I can post a million pictures on "Black dictatorship and Black Poverty", but it will never negate the reality of an abhorrent social system in India.

I started this thread to show a reality that must not be covered under a carpet.

I am concerned about the fate of Indians in my ancestors' homeland, where my true roots are. I don't have roots in Africa.

I want casteism to end in India. My ancestors were Kshatriyas, second to the Brahmins. I have Kshatriya blood, but I don't look down on Chamars, I feel for them. They are human beings like me.

 

Yuji is of Bramhana origin and has lived up to the requirements of a Bramhana.

 

A Kshatriya has an obligation to fight. How come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years ? 

 

Gil, you are not a true Kshatriya. Arjuna was a true Kshatriya.

Ask Jagan how come Burnham and Hoyte governed for 28 years.

Gil the Kshatriya was only a foot soldier in Jagan's army.

 

 

Gil

 

You were a very weak soldier.

 

Janet was a much stronger soldier than most of you combined. God bless her soul.

Granted, I was a weak soldier. But, where were you hiding? Why didn't you join Jagan's army like me?

 

A Bramhana is responsible for promoting spiritual education. You need to study your scriptures. 

 

Too bad Reepu has passed on.....

So, you didn't fight in Jagan's PPP as I did because, as a Bramhana, you're "responsible for promoting spiritual education."

But, as a Bramhana you're fighting tooth and nail here for Jagdeo-Ramotar-Rohee's PPP.

Thanks for your "spiritual education, Bramhana yuji22.

BTW, Reep the Brahmin fought side by side with Jagan the Marxist-Leninist.

 

Gil,

 

Reep was one of a kind. My father told me, (he is now retired at 76) that Reep had politics in his blood even before becoming a Hindu Pandit. He remembered Reep delivering a thunderous political speech in Berbice at a very young age. 

 

To each his own, I followed my call.

 

I vowed (at a very young age) to use my resources to combat the PNC after seeing them kicking a very young PPP ballet box hero to death.

 

I do not deny your rightful place in history in fighting with Dr. Jagan in attempting to remove the PNC.

 

What is troubling is that you are now supporting the same old PNC. Granger just rigged his own leadership race. 

 

I wish you well in you current endeavours but I can assure that the PPP will win another majority.

 

The Mahabharat has many historical references where fighters switch sides to fight with the evil Kauravas but they were all defeated. You are on the wrong side of political history.

If loving the AFC is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

 

Gilly,

 

I love my music. Cain can buss up a nice tune.

 

On a serious note, I am an audiophile. 

 

I called for a GNI summer get together but many here voted it down. O well...

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

So how do you explain the Sacred Thread rituals of the Brahmins? One has to be born a Brahmin inorder to inherit such a devine favour. Is like being predestined. 

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 There are very strong scientific evidence supporting it. I may or may not contribute to the thread.

 

Let me think about this one before responding.

 


yuji:

 

* You don't have to respond directly to my post or comments in social---I am curious to read your views on reincarnation----post it in the Timely death thread---you're in good company---Jesus, Buddha, Moses, hindu religion, etc, etc all believed in reincarnation.

 

Rev

Weh yuh get that piece of information from?

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

Since the teachings of Vaishana Bramhana contradict the idea of bramhana blood and kshatriya blood you should not be bragging about your bramhana blood.

Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

Since the teachings of Vaishana Bramhana contradict the idea of bramhana blood and kshatriya blood you should not be bragging about your bramhana blood.

"THE GREATEST SIN IS TO THINK YOURSELF WEAK"  Swami Vivekananda

 http://www.iskconcultunveiled.com/

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

 

Gilly,

 

I love my music. Cain can buss up a nice tune.

 

On a serious note, I am an audiophile. 

 

I called for a GNI summer get together but many here voted it down. O well...

Dem GNI peeps probably mistake "audiophile" for "pedophile." O well...poor yuji, always getting put down.

Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

Bhai Gil,

You sure you want "Wong Ping"? If Cain is to bring his guitar for Wong Ping, does have to bring the "chinee brush" too? At your age and my age, chinee brush will kill us.

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by cain:

OHhhh rass, Gilly de musicman pon de move.

Bring yuh guitar, man. We got a nice tune specially fo yuji.

Meanwhile, tune up wid de Tradewinds "Wong Ping."

Bhai Gil,

You sure you want "Wong Ping"? If Cain is to bring his guitar for Wong Ping, does have to bring the "chinee brush" too? At your age and my age, chinee brush will kill us.

Skelly, yuji and his compadres who promote Bai Shan Lin like China brush.

Gilbakka and KN and opponents of Bai love our Guyana bush.

We must never trade our centuries-old forest/bush for instant gratification.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

Rev, Yugi22 says he is at the top of the ladder of Castes. Then you would be at the bottom, since you were not born of Bramana stock.


* My friend yuji and I don't agree on everything.

 

* We'll respectfully disagree regarding the teachings of the hindu religion and how the teachings foster and encourage casteism.

 

* Anyway, what I am certain my friend yuji won't engage in is VULGARITY---he won't verbally abuse the Rev and cuss his wife and mother because the Rev disagrees with his religious viewpoint.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Rev

 

I want to clarify.

 

Hindu scriptures has no mention of a caste system. This system was created by Caste Bramhanas to divide people.

 

Bhagavad Gita clearly defines division of labour based on your skills. There are  four divisions of society in which each division of society is responsible for their specific duties.

 

Similar to the west, we have businessmen, workers, tradesmen, soldiers and investors etc.

 

The division of labour as defined by Bhagavad Gita does not prevent anyone from ascending or descending. Anyone can become a Bramhana despite birth provided he abides by the strict guidelines as laid out by scriptures.

 

Similarly, A lawyers abides by specific codes of conduct and study of the laws and case histories and precedence.  Anyone can become a lawyer as long as he or she passes the Bar association exams and practice.

 

Similarly, a soldier has to execute his duties, and follow the orders of his superiors otherwise his is placed before a military court.

 

In Yuji's practice faith (Iskcon) (please google it), anyone can become a Bramhana regardless of caste or race. A few of my godbrother bramhanas are blacks.

 

We do not tolerate a caste system as practiced in parts of India and encouraged by Caste Bramhanas. That is the difference between a Caste Bramhana and a Vaishanava Bramhana.

 

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

Yuji broke away from the so called Hindu caste system because it is wrong. 

 

I sincerely hope that this clarifies my position.

Since the teachings of Vaishana Bramhana contradict the idea of bramhana blood and kshatriya blood you should not be bragging about your bramhana blood.

"THE GREATEST SIN IS TO THINK YOURSELF WEAK"  Swami Vivekananda

 http://www.iskconcultunveiled.com/

Do we have any Arya Samaj on thid BB to give us his/her take on this? Do Aryans believe in all nonsense? I believe that all human beings are born equal and it is the rich who created religion to suppress the poor. 

U have to consider the world was never the way it is today And it changes moment by moment. If a person lives long enough, then suddenly they are aware of the changes. But every day they doan see those changes.

 

The ancient world(on this particular topic) had the Hittites and the Dravidians. The Hittites expanded their borders from Anatolia well into todays India, pushing the Dravidians more and more into the southern regions-where the Dravidians encountered the TRibal people of the south. Eventually, the conquered became conquerers-imposing the Hittite culture of gods and goodess(Indra being the King of the gods) and even the sari-for they lived among the conquering Hittites.

 

The Aryans would come much later, also with their gods.The Aryans brought the notion of holy men, namely the Brahmins who knew all the chants to appease the gods. Conquering the Indus civilization, and later moved along the River Ganges to other communities they would impose their systems of life. Castes.

 

By the time the Brahmins reached south india, the Dravidians were a force to contend with.

 

The religious practices of the Hittites and the Aryans merged into the beliefs of the Dravidians making the Tamils a race of people that built huge monuments(temples) to the gods.  

 

  

 

 

 

Originally Posted by seignet:

U have to consider the world was never the way it is today And it changes moment by moment. If a person lives long enough, then suddenly they are aware of the changes. But every day they doan see those changes.

 

The ancient world(on this particular topic) had the Hittites and the Dravidians. The Hittites expanded their borders from Anatolia well into todays India, pushing the Dravidians more and more into the southern regions-where the Dravidians encountered the TRibal people of the south. Eventually, the conquered became conquerers-imposing the Hittite culture of gods and goodess(Indra being the King of the gods) and even the sari-for they lived among the conquering Hittites.

 

The Aryans would come much later, also with their gods.The Aryans brought the notion of holy men, namely the Brahmins who knew all the chants to appease the gods. Conquering the Indus civilization, and later moved along the River Ganges to other communities they would impose their systems of life. Castes.

 

By the time the Brahmins reached south india, the Dravidians were a force to contend with.

 

The religious practices of the Hittites and the Aryans merged into the beliefs of the Dravidians making the Tamils a race of people that built huge monuments(temples) to the gods.  

 

  

 

 

 

 Some of the temples exist today,under British rule the hid it

 due to some of the carvings,the people were highly advanced

 i saw a documentary on National Geographic about the temples

 built when Raja Raja ruled.

Yuji is a Vaishana Bramhana and according to our teachings anyone regardless of race, colour or religion can become a Bramhana as long as they follow very specific requirements, some of which include, no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no intoxicants (Liquor or Coffee or Tea), No gambling, No sex outside of our marriage.

No garlic or Onions. And a few other practices like strict Archa Vigraha worship.

 

We must also chant on sacred beads at 5 am every day for at least two hours. These are very rigid rules and it is not for everyone since many will not agree or accept.

 

 

All a dis you doing Fujiyama and you still can't think straight?

 

Man I think you should start praying 7 times a day. Something you doing ain't right. You mussy a Boat Brahmin.

That is a myth. The recruiters in Calcutta refrained from taking brahmins-because of their refusal to be diligent workers. Some did make it, but only after they had feined their castes-claiming to be a working caste. Back then, Brahmins had farmlands but they never touched a plough.

10 Reasons why I feel the Hare Krishnas are a Cult

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These points can be applied to any cult/form of mind control. I would be curious to hear how this ‘movement’ was really instigated. I would not be surprised it has come from the same old kosher connection. Positioning an Eastern guruin New York in the 60’s. 

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1/. Disengaged

Soon as possible they try to get members switched off from worldly events. Because it’s just the time of Kali – all you have to do is put your full focus on Krishna. Ignore politics, ignore local and global events. Just stick with the HKs.

I can fully appreciate we are indeed in times of Kali (quarrel and pollution), and I’m all for us having a Divine connection. But like everything, the message gets subverted, so followers become disengaged with social issues. This is unhealthy, both personally and socially. True spiritual practice means we embrace spiritual maturity – to become engaged in worldly events. To stand up to evil and darkness as our spiritual opportunity. This is all about serving others – others who are suffering in our world.

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2/. Isolation

Sooner or later they will encourage members/devotees to disassociate with ‘outsiders’. As they are polluted by Maya (llusion/matter/materialism). This should ring alarm bells with anyone in their right mind. This is not normal behaviour – this is cult behaviour. Classic divide and rule. This is a sure-track way of eroding critical thinking; therefore ensuring mind control.

Again, their ‘hook’ about avoiding materialism is justified, but of course the spiritual message gets polluted.

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3/.Sleep deprivation

Sleep and sufficient amounts of it is healthy! All cultures know this. When we are not having sufficient amounts of sleep, we do not think straight. How can we? Therefore we become vulnerable/successtable to even more mind control.

I agree, when we clean up, and are more spiritually connected, we certainly do have more energy. But it is so individually based; we are not organic robots.

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4/.Insulated information

One of their most powerful ways to induce the more intellectual type thinkers via the Vedic philosophy. The Vedic scriptures and especially the Bhagavad-Gita are an amazing spiritual and pragmatic wealth of knowledge. Yet the HKs don’t accept any other version other than their own “As it is” version of the B’Gita. Not only have they adapted the B’Gita. This is like going to a Truth meeting and the organizers telling you “Do not listen to any other information other than what we are telling you and only absorb our material.”

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5/. Austerity & Charity

Funny how all these cults and some religions don’t want you to have your own money, because it’s so evil – yet they want it. Somehow they can sure make use of it. They HKs say in their writing that 50% of devotee’s wages should go to them. Who in God’s or Krishna’s name can afford that level of tithing in these recessional times!?

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6/.Association

They associate themselves with the Brahma Kamaris group. An equally dodgy organisation/cult. I have known people screwed up after a while who have associated themselves with them. They too work on all these 10 principles.

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7/. No Nooky

Sex and pleasurable sex between two loving people is a very natural aspect of humanity. They advocate no sex policy, under the guise of no elicit sex. But somehow allow their members to have sex to ‘breed’ where the offspring are then taken away to be ‘educated’ to become pure cult members. To deprive people of this natural instinct is all part of their de-humanizing mind control.  All part of their depopulation plan – SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill). Their sexual act is a cold mechanical operation, where they engage for about a minute, whilst the female chants :-) ….I’m not joking.

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8/. Hooks

We all smell something is very wrong in society. And we feel vulnerable, trapped. So hey presto; problem-reaction-solution. Here comes the Hare Krishnas with a convenient solution to this materialistic mess. They not only offer a way out; but lots of smiles, yummy grub with a bit of music and dancing thrown in.

Not to mention their hypnotic mantra which gives you a nice ‘loved up’ feeling to act as pain killer against modern day living. This takes you away from the realities of this world; all under the guise of transcendental spirituality.

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9/. Positioning

They tend to position themselves in inner city locations, where there are lots of young influential people and/or drug and alcoholism dependent people. Inner cities are where people feel the heat of this screwed up system the most. These people need a way out. Escape materialistic society, escape religion – come and party with the HKs. This certainly is not the lotus in the mud principle, but just more cleverly disguised sugar-coated poison.

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10/. Fishing

They latch on to people who show a tad of enthusiasm. Like they want to catch a fish. It is unnatural and an inorganic way of welcoming people into any society/movement. Tempting you with ‘free’ books to mind control you. It’s such classic cult activity.

Just take a look at the long-term devotees, who have been involved in the HKs. I’m not talking about those front PR people you meet at their open days, but the hardened devotees who have really fallen for the whole conditioning process. For sure they are de-stressed and very nice; but they are completely pacified. Just like in Huxley’s “Brave New World” scenario. Happy pacified servants of the system.

I don’t see the HK up against the system. I just see them as an ad juncture. They are still playing into the usury system, with all their financial outlets. Just like the New Age movement scoops up any potential critical thinkers……along with their finances!

Who is this character A.C. Brabhupada? Apparently turning up in America from India in his 70’s penniless; yet within 14 years he alone somehow managed to set up hundreds of global ashrams and centers, as well provide a huge amount of literature, all worth billions – all starting from a small shop in East New York? A linage of Krishna, or the kosher elite tool??

The connection to the Beetles, with their message pushed out into the main stream consciousness/psyche is a bit suspect too. The Beetles were a kosher social engineering outlet.

Nope – the whole set up stinks of another coincidence.

One thing I have learnt in this Truthing business is that nothing is allowed to get funded to a high position from grass roots level; unless it has been first instigated by them, or it is been usurped – nothing.

 

http://diggerfortruth.wordpres...krishnas-are-a-cult/

Rev, is this true?

 

7/. No Nooky

Sex and pleasurable sex between two loving people is a very natural aspect of humanity. They advocate no sex policy, under the guise of no elicit sex. But somehow allow their members to have sex to ‘breed’ where the offspring are then taken away to be ‘educated’ to become pure cult members. To deprive people of this natural instinct is all part of their de-humanizing mind control.  All part of their depopulation plan – SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill). Their sexual act is a cold mechanical operation, where they engage for about a minute, whilst the female chants :-) ….I’m not joking.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:

       

Rev, is this true?

 

7/. No Nooky

Sex and pleasurable sex between two loving people is a very natural aspect of humanity. They advocate no sex policy, under the guise of no elicit sex. But somehow allow their members to have sex to ‘breed’ where the offspring are then taken away to be ‘educated’ to become pure cult members. To deprive people of this natural instinct is all part of their de-humanizing mind control.  All part of their depopulation plan – SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill). Their sexual act is a cold mechanical operation, where they engage for about a minute, whilst the female chants :-) ….I’m not joking.


       

So Yugi is a one minute man
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

       

Rev, is this true?

 

7/. No Nooky

Sex and pleasurable sex between two loving people is a very natural aspect of humanity. They advocate no sex policy, under the guise of no elicit sex. But somehow allow their members to have sex to ‘breed’ where the offspring are then taken away to be ‘educated’ to become pure cult members. To deprive people of this natural instinct is all part of their de-humanizing mind control.  All part of their depopulation plan – SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill). Their sexual act is a cold mechanical operation, where they engage for about a minute, whilst the female chants :-) ….I’m not joking.


       

So Yugi is a one minute man

Yugi22 is his cult name from SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill), all part of the cult's depopulation plan.

Originally Posted by ball:

Wah de rass no nooky no cookie no pocknee I will tell you dis now none ah them cult fo me rass

2/. Isolation

Sooner or later they will encourage members/devotees to disassociate with ‘outsiders’. As they are polluted by Maya (llusion/matter/materialism). This should ring alarm bells with anyone in their right mind. This is not normal behaviour – this is cult behaviour. Classic divide and rule. This is a sure-track way of eroding critical thinking; therefore ensuring mind control.

Again, their ‘hook’ about avoiding materialism is justified, but of course the spiritual message gets polluted.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

       

Rev, is this true?

 

7/. No Nooky

Sex and pleasurable sex between two loving people is a very natural aspect of humanity. They advocate no sex policy, under the guise of no elicit sex. But somehow allow their members to have sex to ‘breed’ where the offspring are then taken away to be ‘educated’ to become pure cult members. To deprive people of this natural instinct is all part of their de-humanizing mind control.  All part of their depopulation plan – SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill). Their sexual act is a cold mechanical operation, where they engage for about a minute, whilst the female chants :-) ….I’m not joking.


       

So Yugi is a one minute man

Yugi22 is his cult name from SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill), all part of the cult's depopulation plan.

So, wha de 22 for?

He can't be 22 years old.

He couldn't be born in 1922.

He can't have 22 women.

Definitely not 22 children.

He won't want to advertise 22 millimetres.

22 centimetres out of the question.

Was it his Lot # in Berbice?

Was he born on the 22nd of Never?

Is his weapon of choice a #22 cutlass?

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Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by antabanta:

What color are Bramhana blood and Kshatriya blood?

Anta,you asking tough queston the color of the

human race blood is what bhai na red.

Bai... dem men hypocritically decry the injustices of the caste system then brag about dem brahmin and kshatriya blood.

Anta, my paternal great grandparents who indentured themselves were Kshatriyas. Biologically I believe I have Kshatriya blood, that is, of the higher rank in the Indian caste system.

But, anta, I am against the pernicious caste system. Being of Kshatriya stock never stopped me from fraternizing, socializing, mixing and mingling with Hindus of lower castes or anyone else.

More than that, for most of my adult life I have fought on the side of the socially and culturally disadvantaged, the dispossessed, the so-called underdogs of society.

I repeat, the caste system is social apartheid, it must end just as South African apartheid ended.

Whites benefited from apartheid but many whites fought with the blacks to end that system. Likewise, a salt water Kshatriya like me is fighting with the chamars/untouchables to end casteism in India and other places.

I made my views known on a number of Indian social networks, telling them bluntly that casteism is India's curse.

There is no contradiction in my being a quasi-Kshatriya and fighting against the caste system.

That so-called Brahmin yuji22 is shamelessly defending the iniquitous caste system. Truth be told, it was the Brahmins who first conceived the idea of caste and put themselves at the top. It was the Brahmins who developed, implemented and refined the caste system through the ages. Today, the Brahmins in India are the fiercest defenders of the caste system. They eat and shit and don't want to clean their own toilets.

 

Gilbakka... while your fight against the unjust caste system is laudable you still seem to be very proud of your status. I say this because of your references to having Kshatriya blood, being of Kshatriya stock and fraternizing with lower castes. I suggest it would be much better for someone against the caste system to forget about a purely arbitrary and wholly unidentifiable blood distinction and stock. I suggest instead of noting your socializing with lower caste people to promote non-recognition of such a thing as lower caste people. To put another way, I believe that stating you socialize with lower caste people is a subtle admission of the recognition of lower castes. I believe fighting the caste system is better done by completely refusing to acknowledge there are any caste boundaries. Note, I am not saying to hide your head in the sand and not recognize the caste system and its evil. I am saying refusing to acknowledge there are lower caste people will do much more to send the message that there should be no caste system. This is purely my opinion and I hope my explanation is understandable.

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