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Written by GINA   
Wednesday, 13 June 2012 22:33
- President Ramotar
PRESIDENT Donald Ramotar has sent a warning to the Opposition about the abuse of their one seat majority in the National Assembly, stating categorically that he will not affix his signature to any
 bill that is brought to his desk without the input of the Executive. 

 

President Donald Ramotar

His warning came in response to the notion that is being propagated of a “Rule by Motion” politics in the National Assembly, where the coalition party, A Partnership for National Unity (APNU), has 26 seats and, the Alliance for Change (AFC) seven. The Ruling party has 32 seats.


Speaking to Editor-in-Chief of the National Communications Network (NCN), Michael Gordon, at a special interview yesterday, President Ramotar revisited the three arms of government which give the Executive exclusive jurisdiction to implement policies and laws.


“That is not the function of the Opposition. They must respect what is their role… I am making it very clear that I will not assent to any bill that they carry, unless it is with the full agreement of the Executive and the full involvement of the Executive.”


The president regards the move by the Opposition a violation of the separation of powers and an attempt to confiscate authority that was not constitutionally given to them.
It is on this basis that President Ramotar said the government has taken to litigation in an attempt to seek redress over the cuts to the 2012 National Budget.
He noted that the Opposition said they (government) can return to the National Assembly for supplementary funding, but the sittings yesterday and today will really be the ‘acid’ test of such facility.


The government took to the High Court against the Opposition regarding the cuts, with the case being based on the structure of the Guyana Constitution and the doctrine of the separation of powers of the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary.


At the convening of the case on June 7, Minister of Legal Affairs and Attorney General, Anil Nandlall stated that the actions of the Opposition in the National Assembly have taken away that ability from the Executive, several other constitutional creations, and other important executive entities, bodies that were created by executive decisions.


The Attorney General contended that the presentation of estimates to the Assembly is a function that resides exclusively with the Executive, which the Assembly has the power to scrutinise, approve or disapprove, but not the power to reduce.
The case has been adjourned to July 3, 2012, giving the opposition three weeks in which to prepare submissions on why the interim order applied for should not be granted to the government.


President Ramotar is, however, hoping for expeditiousness and is counting on the advice of his attorneys who are convinced that the government’s case is sound and justifiable.
“Before we think about other steps, let’s wait on this judicial step to be taken to restore what I believe was a violation of the Constitution by the Opposition in the National Assembly,” President Ramotar said.


The Opposition parties voted against $21B from the 2012 National Budget, jeopardising the functions and very existence of some crucial government sectors and programmes.
Among them are the Low Carbon Development Strategy, which lost $18B and the Ethnic Relations Commission (ERC), the Government Information Agency (GINA) the Customs Anti Narcotics Unit (CANU) and the State Planning Secretariat, all of which were left with one Guyana dollar.


The Private Sector Commission (PSC) has reported noticeable deceleration of some indicators in the economy as a result of the unprecedented cuts, which, it believes, are not overly alarming, but are “showing up more and more every day.”
The PSC was also appalled by cuts to the Amaila Falls Hydropower project which it believes would have promoted competitiveness by encouraging the processing and manufacturing sectors in Guyana.


President Ramotar noted in last evening’s interview the impact such a project would have had on the country’s fuel importation bill which at present demands high expenditure.

Last Updated on Wednesday, 13 June 2012 22:35

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President Ramotar: "I will not assent to Opposition bills that lack Executive’s input"


Say is like it is, presy! Don't let vultures and neemakarams tell you how to run your business. 



FM
quote:
The president regards the move by the Opposition a violation of the separation of powers and an attempt to confiscate authority that was not constitutionally given to them.

Interesting evolving developments.

FM
quote:
Speaking to Editor-in-Chief of the National Communications Network (NCN), Michael Gordon, at a special interview yesterday, President Ramotar revisited the three arms of government which give the Executive exclusive jurisdiction to implement policies and laws.

That is not the function of the Opposition. They must respect what is their role… I am making it very clear that I will not assent to any bill that they carry, unless it is with the full agreement of the Executive and the full involvement of the Executive.”

The combined opposition need to understand the foundamentals of parliamentary procedures.

FM

What majority are you bragging about? APNU's OR AFC Majority? Singularly they can't do shit. Forever they will depend on each other. Do you think they can hold on to each other for the next four and a half years?

FM

Specific issues in 2012 show clearly that the AFC is solidly bound with the PNC/APNU -- though the AFC before the elections claimed to be an independent political party.

 

The next election will indeed produce a surprising result.

FM

I guess you guys don't know that the (two/2)  opposition parties are exactly that, (two/2)opposition parties.

Yes they can hold on as opposition parties for four years unless the PPP crumbles before that...which is a possibility because they don't seem to have the ability to govern without their hands in the cookie jar.

Without that cookie jar...they're lost....no more tiefin' and they're mad as hell.

cain

Ow Ramo bhai, the majority of one meking worries fuh yuh nah.

 

Next time around, yuh be out. Suh, enjoy yuh presidency and duh some good. Doan duh like yuh predecessors-all ah dem useless as a tube wid a hole in it.

 

Thiefing stopped in it tracks, Nepotism stopped in its tracks. Now accountability is down the tracks heading for some good blows. 

S
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What majority are you bragging about? APNU's OR AFC Majority? Singularly they can't do shit. Forever they will depend on each other. Do you think they can hold on to each other for the next four and a half years?

Through necessity yes.  The opposition knows it's in the PPP's interest to have a snap election as they will retake an absolute majority.

FM

The President is right. The Constitution foresaw this crap by the opposition. Burnham and his henchmen did not trust each other and so they gave us a constitution that Ramotar must use to get the job done. Ramotar must use all his powers to help all Guyanese. And he will.   

FM
Originally Posted by martin Carter:

The President is right. The Constitution foresaw this crap by the opposition. Burnham and his henchmen did not trust each other and so they gave us a constitution that Ramotar must use to get the job done. Ramotar must use all his powers to help all Guyanese. And he will.   

Burnham did not trust the PPP and Indians so he got a constitution which allowed him to exit the rule of law and do as he pleases when he pleases.  The PPP is just making good on that attribute.  Long live the PPP.

 

Now go run on to the other thread and celebrate the greatest of all Guyana's heroes Burnham. Guyana ise still living under his rule.  Long live the PNC.

FM

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The next election will determine, among other issues, to what extent a third party is needed.

Profund insights into the future by the GNI venerable seer.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

 

When, in the past 20 years has the PPP initiated any dialogue for change.  Like Burnham did, he took it to the people, yes he rigged, but he took it to the people as the opposition would not have given him the mandate in parliament.

 

PPP are a bunch of hypocrites, you all cuss Burnham and the PNC and have preserved these "instruments of torture" to your own benefit.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

 

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People. The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

 

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People. The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

YADA YADA YADA. WE GUN WIN AGAIN.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

 

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People. The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

YADA YADA YADA. WE GUN WIN AGAIN.

Evil never wins.

FM

Mr. Ramotar cannot fulfill the nation's mandate with $20B short of the budget. He will have to exercise his executive power to squeeze some balls or thief to satisfy every agency, sectors and programs that he promised. So, who is calling the PPP thieves and who is encouraging thievery?

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Mr. Ramotar cannot fulfill the nation's mandate with $20B short of the budget. He will have to exercise his executive power to squeeze some balls or thief to satisfy every agency, sectors and programs that he promised. So, who is calling the PPP thieves and who is encouraging thievery?

The PPP are thieves. None of these church mice had anything before entering office now they pretend they are Rothschild flashing wads of cash and wearing custom suits. Then there is Pradoville I and III and NICIL etc. Yes they are crooks.

 

I hope to see some of them in jail in the future.

FM

You have to distinguish who are the crooks you're speaking of. You seem to be lambasting the Ramotar administration for (unresolved issues) under Jagdeo administration. The PPP may be the same party, but it's a new administration. President Ramotar is an honest man his cabinet members are made up by decent people. Do you have a personal issue with the gentleman?

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

When, in the past 20 years has the PPP initiated any dialogue for change.

 

Like Burnham did, he took it to the people, yes he rigged, but he took it to the people as the opposition would not have given him the mandate in parliament.

 

PPP are a bunch of hypocrites, you all cuss Burnham and the PNC and have preserved these "instruments of torture" to your own benefit.

Review the issues and you will find that there were attempts by the PPP to make changes.

 

The opposition failed to meet the challenges.

 

At least 66% support of the parliamentarians are needed to make some of these changes, including this one.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

 

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People. The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

YADA YADA YADA. WE GUN WIN AGAIN.

Evil never wins.

On the contrary, evil does win but not for long. The evil you described is taking food from poor working people and put them on the street to beg, and that my friend is evil. President Ramotar is trying to fulfill that gap by requesting a supplement budget that is denied once again by APNU/AFC. The joint opposition is like a sociopath to hurt people and sink the country without conscience. You want to talk evil?

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People.

 

The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

Know at least the basic items of the specific issues before making your continued long-winded useless statements.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People.

 

The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

Know at least the basic items of the specific issues before making your continued long-winded useless statements.

And what is it you presume to be all knowing about? The constitution said the largest majority forms the government. It says nothing that because they are the government they can usurp a parliamentary majority.

 

Long or short you still are a senile ignoramus.

FM

from what ramator is saying they is no need for a oppisition its a waste of time.,then the tax payers is only wasting money paying these MP.he is thinking guyana is a one party state so the ppp can do as they like.but he will get a rude awaking.if the government cannot accepted the ruling by the hightest forum of the land and what 51% of the people vote for then this government is asking for a coup because this government will make it self a unlawfull state

FM

The PPP has the single largest vote and the mandate to rule, given by the constitution. But the 51 per cent factor can be used to delay progress. People have lost their jobs as a result of the opposition, a fact called collateral damage by Ramjattan. But Guyanese know who is causing progress to stop. Normally in any democracy the opposition would ask for more allocations in the budget. But this opposition in Guyana is doing the opposite. They are cutting and they are doing so out of spite not as patriots.    

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The needed changes to the constitution require the approval of two-third or more of the elected members of parliament.

 

Until the changes are made, the President of Guyana must abide with the existing Constitution.

The constitution says that a simple majority is necessary for the will of the People.

 

The PPP used that all of their existence. If the president decides that is to change then he is the one that is un constitutional. He cannot have it both ways, In forging the budged he said it was the sole authority of the executive as well and so allowed no input. He got a trashing for that. In that as well he was not satisfied so he wants so replace parliament with the courts. The PPP will lose more seats on account of their openly duplicitous nature. We already know of their corrupt practices and thievery. THis merely adds to that.

Know at least the basic items of the specific issues before making your continued long-winded useless statements.

And what is it you presume to be all knowing about? The constitution said the largest majority forms the government. It says nothing that because they are the government they can usurp a parliamentary majority.

 

Long or short you still are a senile ignoramus.

Simply, the issue is ...

 

66% or more votes by the legislators are needed to make the specific amendments.

FM
Originally Posted by martin Carter:

The PPP has the single largest vote and the mandate to rule, given by the constitution. But the 51 per cent factor can be used to delay progress. People have lost their jobs as a result of the opposition, a fact called collateral damage by Ramjattan. But Guyanese know who is causing progress to stop. Normally in any democracy the opposition would ask for more allocations in the budget. But this opposition in Guyana is doing the opposite. They are cutting and they are doing so out of spite not as patriots.    

 The mandate to rule per the constitution. We have a legislative body because it was supposed to function as a deliberative body to argue discuss and vote on bills based on merit.

 

Unfortunately, that was not a habit we developed since parties are partisan and race based and everyone voted party line with not one dissent ever being permitted.

 

That is what made a one seat majority so alien to us. No one finds it even fathomable given habit that parliamentary voting stands for anything! Well it does!

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply, the issue is ...

 

66% or more votes by the legislators are needed to make the specific amendments.

 You are making as much sense here as a goat. What does that have to do with the PPP being a minority government  with the peculiarity of having to deal with a majority parliament?

 

Nothing the opposition has done has contravened the rule. The PPPs futile request of the court to subvert the parliamentary simple majority is all for naught.  The court cannot tell the parliament how to do its job.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Simply, the issue is ...

 

66% or more votes by the legislators are needed to make the specific amendments.

You are making as much sense here as a goat.

 

What does that have to do with the PPP being a minority government with the peculiarity of having to deal with a majority parliament?

 

Nothing the opposition has done has contravened the rule. The PPPs futile request of the court to subvert the parliamentary simple majority is all for naught.  The court cannot tell the parliament how to do its job.

As you continue to speak to yourself in the mirror.

 

It will take a long time for you to grasp basic issues.

 

Your continued ramblings are amusing.

FM

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