@Django posted:Simona have some unpleasant behavior for a politician ,on the other hand she have lots of supporters. Simona fought against Human Trafficking and received an award from the US .
Wasn't she and her driver charged the other day for assaulting a village councilor and his helper. She posted No Fishing signs on State property.
@Former Member posted:If lots of supporters is the criteria, then Jagdeo is completely legitimized as he must have more supporters than anyone else in Guyana.
Jagdeo is an opportunistic Politician .You have nailed it ,the others in the PPP don't count . Regarding more supporters ,that don't hold water for the entire PPP.
I would like to commend for acting double role ,kudos to you !!!!
@kp posted:Wasn't she and her driver charged the other day for assaulting a village councilor and his helper. She posted No Fishing signs on State property.
Are the charges still effective ?
@Django posted:Jagdeo is an opportunistic Politician .You have nailed it ,the others in the PPP don't count . Regarding more supporters ,that don't hold water for the entire PPP.
Opportunistic Politician is not a crime. Assault is. How is Simona Brooms getting a pass because she has a lot of supporters when Jagdeo cannot when he has more supporters than any other politician in Guyana.
Do you disagree that Jagdeo is the most popular Guyanese politician in Guyana right now?
Lastly I didn't list Jagdeo because the others don't count. I listed him because I am aware of the emotions any mention of him elicit from you. 
@Django posted:Are the charges still effective ?
Yes.
@Former Member posted:Yes.
When is the Court Matter ?
@Django posted:When is the Court Matter ?
Court comes after the DPP decides. As of now she is charged with assault. That hasn't been dropped.
@Former Member posted:Court comes after the DPP decides. As of now she is charged with assault. That hasn't been dropped.
Well let's see what happens.
@Former Member posted:Opportunistic Politician is not a crime. Assault is. How is Simona Brooms getting a pass because she has a lot of supporters when Jagdeo cannot when he has more supporters than any other politician in Guyana.
Do you disagree that Jagdeo is the most popular Guyanese politician in Guyana right now?
Lastly I didn't list Jagdeo because the others don't count. I listed him because I am aware of the emotions any mention of him elicit from you.
The first paragraph is confusion !!! Jagdeo isn't the most popular Guyanese politician for the majority of the people in Guyana . Regarding emotions you got it wrong ,he is an opportunist and bad for Guyana ,will always call him out ,i am not alone there are thousand more.
@Django posted:The first paragraph is confusion !!! Jagdeo isn't the most popular Guyanese politician for the majority of the people in Guyana . Regarding emotions you got it wrong ,he is an opportunist and bad for Guyana ,will always call him out ,i am not alone there are thousand more.
Which politician in Guyana is more popular than Jagdeo?
@Former Member posted:Which politician in Guyana is more popular than Jagdeo?
There are many .
@Django posted:There are many .
That is not an answer bai.
@Former Member posted:That is not an answer bai.
It's an effective answer.
@Django posted:It's an effective answer.
If it was an effective it would have satisfied my inquiry. It may be an evasive response but certainly not an effective answer.
@Former Member posted:If it was an effective it would have satisfied my inquiry. It may be an evasive response but certainly not an effective answer.
It's effective for those who don't see beyond .
@Django posted:It's effective for those who don't see beyond .
Bai, this response is even more vague.
Btw, Jagdeo indicated in his press conference today that there will be someone else as Finance Minister. I was hoping that he would have taken up that mantle.
@Former Member posted:Btw, Jagdeo indicated in his press conference today that there will be someone else as Finance Minister. I was hoping that he would have taken up that mantle.
That's good !!! will listen to his ramblings later today.
@Django posted:That's good !!! will listen to his ramblings later today.
Jagdeo doesn't ramble bai. He speaks slowly and clearly so what he says is received correctly.
@Baseman posted:Itâs natural to grow complacency. The PPP grew complacent approx 12/15 years into the reign. The PNC grew complacent in 6/10 months.
What evidence do you have of this, or did it just came off the top of your head ?
@Former Member posted:Btw, Jagdeo indicated in his press conference today that there will be someone else as Finance Minister. I was hoping that he would have taken up that mantle.
The Finance Minister is always the second most powerful person in the country.
@Ramakant-P posted:The Finance Minister is always the second most powerful person in the country.
Jordan hiding from the law now. He didn't make his submissions to the court yesterday. But he wouldn't be able to run and hide forever.
@Former Member posted:Jordan hiding from the law now. He didn't make his submissions to the court yesterday. But he wouldn't be able to run and hide forever.
What does Jordan have to do with the position of Finance Minister?
@Ramakant-P posted:What does Jordan have to do with the position of Finance Minister?
He is the previous Finance Minister who squandered all the capital the PPP left in the treasury in 2015 plus some.
@Former Member posted:Jagdeo doesn't ramble bai. He speaks slowly and clearly so what he says is received correctly.
Dango is like Donald Trump. He is trying to change the path of a hurricane by using a sharpie. He gets satisfaction by bashing the PPP and turn a blind eye on the evils of Granjah, Coconut Branch Broom, Vulva, Harman, Judas, RumSuckah, Phagwali, and the rest of the deadweight in the PNC-KFC. In the 5 plus years, PNC did no wrong. The treasury and gold reserves are overflowing.
@Former Member posted:Dango is like Donald Trump. He is trying to change the path of a hurricane by using a sharpie. He gets satisfaction by bashing the PPP and turn a blind eye on the evils of Granjah, Coconut Branch Broom, Vulva, Harman, Judas, RumSuckah, Phagwali, and the rest of the deadweight in the PNC-KFC. In the 5 plus years, PNC did no wrong. The treasury and gold reserves are overflowing.
It takes a special person to be the President of the United States of America. If you likened Django to Donald then He must be a special person also.
@Tola posted:What evidence do you have of this, or did it just came off the top of your head ?
Of what Dr?
@Former Member posted:Jordan hiding from the law now. He didn't make his submissions to the court yesterday. But he wouldn't be able to run and hide forever.
What Jordan in Court ? he was charged for what ?
@Django posted:What Jordan in Court ? he was charged for what ?
Aug 15, 2020 News 0 Comments
Former Finance Minister Winston Jordan
Former Finance Minister Winston Jordan is still to file an affidavit in answer to the legal challenge by Kaieteur News Publisher, Glenn Lall over the sale of prime lands on the East Coast Demerara (ECD).
Lall moved to court last July to have the sale of 130 acres of lands on the ECD by A Partnership For National Unity +Alliance For Change government quashed.
The case lists Former Finance Minister Winston Jordan, National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited, (NICIL) and the Attorney General as respondents.
However, weeks after the litigation began, nothing has been filed by or on behalf of the former Finance Minister as it relates to his role in the sale of the state properties.
During the hearing of the case yesterday, Attorney for Jordan, Olayne Joseph indicated that she still had no submissions to file.The Court was also informed that the newly appointed Attorney General (AG) Anil Nandlall needed time to consider his response since his office is in transition mode.In the meantime, Devindra Kissoon, the lawyer for NICIL has moved to have the matter struck out.
Kaieteur News Publisher, Glenn Lall
Presiding Justice Sandra Kurtzious heard arguments on the application to throw out the case yesterday. She is scheduled to rule on her finding next Thursday at 2:00 pm.
At the interim, the Judge is left to consider issues raised by Lallâs Attorney, Sanjeev Datadin and the Counsel for NICIL.Kissoon had laid over submissions in which he contended that among other things, Lall had wholly misinterpreted Section 8 of the Public Corporations Act (PCA), Cap. 19:05.
The Attorney had referenced the explanatory memorandum, which states that âSection 8 of the Public Corporations Act was amended by the passage of the Public Corporations Amendment Act 1990 to empower the Minister assigned general responsibility for public corporations to transfer by order under that section to a private company or individual the undertaking or any other property of any public corporation or body corporate owned or controlled by the StateâĶâ
Attorney -at- law, Sanjeev Datadin
He explained further in the defence, that from at least 1992 to present, Vesting Orders have been used to vest numerous State lands to NICIL and from NICIL to private companies or persons.
According to the lawyer, the practice facilitated the resale of state lands to various individuals and companies.
However in response to the contention, Datadin told the Court that it was NICIL that has misconstrued its position in the action filed.
The lawyer stressed that the matter was challenge to the Minister of Finance and not NICIL.
âThe allegation is against Minister and not NICIL,â he said.
He stressed that NICIL is just a party to the proceeding: âNICIL has no power or authority to transfer State land under the PCA.â
The lawyer noted that it is the action of the Minister that is being challenged.
He noted too that in the absence of an affidavit in answer from Jordan it would be difficult for the court to assess whether action by the former Minister was lawful.
He said that because Jordan acted on June 1, 2020, after elections, when there was no Parliament or Cabinet in place, his conduct is brought into question.
Further, Datadin told the Court that Kissoonâs reliance on the explanatory memorandum to the 1990 Bill which amended the PCA 1988 is only available for consideration by the Court in determining the meaning of Section 8.
He noted that external aids to statutory interpretation are not to be used when the statute has clear and precise words capable of interpretation.
âThere is no ambiguity,â he said.
Further the lawyer denied that the PCA has ever been used to transfer government assets from NICIL to private companies.
Datadin argued too that the words of Section 8 of the PCA refer to a âcorporationâ which is defined in the Act itself to mean an entity incorporated under the PCA or its predecessor legislation.
This, according to Datadin, could not in any way lend itself to private companies.
He emphasized that the legislation could not be interpreted in a manner to defeat the common law and statutes which relate to the conveyance of land.
âThe need to have transfers advertised and gazetted with the right to opposition could not be implied in the statute,â he said.
The lawyer held that in the circumstances, the Minister is obliged to act reasonably and act in a manner consistent with the common law and all statutory provisions.
âThe statute could not be interpreted without recourse to reasonableness; no public official is entitled to absolute authority. Every public official must exercise their authority in a reasonable manner; the failure to do so would render the exercise of the discretion unlawful,â he added.
Further, Datadin told the Court that even if one is to assume that the Minister was entitled to transfer property to private companies/individuals, the gazetted orders relates to the sale of the lands.
He advanced therefore that âThe transfer powers mentioned in the PCA are different.â
âThe transfer of state property pursuant to Section 3 of the PCA is vastly different from Section 8. In Section 3, there is the ability of the Minister to have his order stand as a title; this is not permitted in Section 8âĶ [it]is more limited and does not permit a full transfer to be done,â the attorney held.
He noted further that the orders all provide for âamendment.â to have the actions reversed by a Minister.
âThat is inconsistent with the transfer of title. The transfer must be absolute and cannot be fettered.â Further, describing the transaction as inchoate, the attorney said that transfer pursuant to Section 8 could not be in the terms expressed as being final.
âIn so far as the gazetted order reflects that position, itâs ultra vires. In the event reliance is being placed on Section 3, that would be inoperative because it would require a negative resolution in Parliament,â he stated.
Last July, publications of the Official Gazette of orders numbered No. 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72 and 73 pointed to the sale of several plots of lands on the ECD.
The massive land deal came to light after the vesting orders, bearing Jordanâs signature, were posted on Facebook, mounting suspicions that the then Coalition government was giving away lands before demitting office.
As such, Lall filed an application seeking orders from the Court to reverse the action that the former Minister on the ground had no power or authority to transfer State lands to any person or entity under the control of the Minister, pursuant to Sections 8 and 11 of the Public Corporations Act (PCA); Cap. 19:05. PCA.
The newspaper publisher believes that the patrimony of the country must be disposed of transparently and in a manner which ensures value for money.â
He noted that âif the lands and the countryâs natural resources, which are being given out, are done in a transparent manner and at real market value, Guyana can alleviate poverty, eliminate its foreign debt and triple the salaries of public servants.
That's a big case ,lots of top Lawyers defending their clients. So Jordan looking to be jailed ?
During the hearing of the case yesterday, Attorney for Jordan, Olayne Joseph indicated that she still had no submissions to file.
The Court was also informed that the newly appointed Attorney General (AG) Anil Nandlall needed time to consider his response since his office is in transition mode.
In the meantime, Devindra Kissoon, the lawyer for NICIL has moved to have the matter struck out.
Presiding Justice Sandra Kurtzious heard arguments on the application to throw out the case yesterday. She is scheduled to rule on her finding next Thursday at 2:00 pm.
At the interim, the Judge is left to consider issues raised by Lallâs Attorney, Sanjeev Datadin and the Counsel for NICIL.Kissoon had laid over submissions in which he contended that among other things, Lall had wholly misinterpreted Section 8 of the Public Corporations Act (PCA), Cap. 19:05.
@Django posted:That's a big case ,lots of top Lawyers defending their clients. So Jordan looking to be jailed ?
During the hearing of the case yesterday, Attorney for Jordan, Olayne Joseph indicated that she still had no submissions to file.
The Court was also informed that the newly appointed Attorney General (AG) Anil Nandlall needed time to consider his response since his office is in transition mode.
In the meantime, Devindra Kissoon, the lawyer for NICIL has moved to have the matter struck out.
Presiding Justice Sandra Kurtzious heard arguments on the application to throw out the case yesterday. She is scheduled to rule on her finding next Thursday at 2:00 pm.
At the interim, the Judge is left to consider issues raised by Lallâs Attorney, Sanjeev Datadin and the Counsel for NICIL.Kissoon had laid over submissions in which he contended that among other things, Lall had wholly misinterpreted Section 8 of the Public Corporations Act (PCA), Cap. 19:05.
He will eventually end up in jail. Granger can't stand in the way of law and justice like he did the last time.
@Former Member posted:He will eventually end up in jail. Granger can't stand in the way of law and justice like he did the last time.
OK as you predicted ,I will keep an eye on the matter.
I guess Jordan will also be on the list with Lowenfield ,probably others will be added.
As Dominic Gaskin said, the fraudsters must be prosecuted. His wife agrees with him.
@Former Member posted:He will eventually end up in jail. Granger can't stand in the way of law and justice like he did the last time.
So what was the matter about Law and Justice the last time ?
@Django posted:So what was the matter about Law and Justice the last time ?
Which last time?
@Django posted:OK as you predicted ,I will keep an eye on the matter.
I guess Jordan will also be on the list with Lowenfield ,probably others will be added.
Most of my predictions since the Coalition got into government have been accurate bai. No all but definitely most.
@Former Member posted:Which last time?
The matter where Jordan was to be jailed ,do you know the history of the matter ?
@Former Member posted:Most of my predictions since the Coalition got into government have been accurate bai. No all but definitely most.
The Orbuculum is performing.
@Django posted:The matter where Jordan was to be jailed ,do you know the history of the matter ?
Doesn't matter. Jordan was ordered 21 days jail time but Granger stepped in the way of the law.
@Former Member posted:Doesn't matter. Jordan was ordered 21 days jail time but Granger stepped in the way of the law.
It matters one have to know the history of the case.
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