D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Nandlall, should realize the law is the law. The law is not ass, his own words.

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

The PPP added this to the constitution with the aid of the APNU The PPP did not follow it nor did the APNU

There was recommendation to amend the Constitution to allow POST ELECTION ALLIANCES , during the same time. The PPP abort such, was told didn't found favor of the Pandit.

Every one knows the reason why it wasn't implemented.

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

Read LIncoln Lewis, letter and come again.

I did not see Lincoln Lewis' name in the above article. Lincoln Lewis is on another thread. Let's stick to this one.

Lincoln letter posted, here on this thread, go back a few post before Anil's letter.

Ok. However, we are discussing Anil's letter. Let's stick to it. Did you not make the comment on Anil's article?

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

Read LIncoln Lewis, letter and come again.

I did not see Lincoln Lewis' name in the above article. Lincoln Lewis is on another thread. Let's stick to this one.

Lincoln letter posted, here on this thread, go back a few post before Anil's letter.

Ok. However, we are discussing Anil's letter. Let's stick to it. Did you not make the comment on Anil's article?

Was my comment erroneous ?? read both letters before making my comment.

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

Read LIncoln Lewis, letter and come again.

I did not see Lincoln Lewis' name in the above article. Lincoln Lewis is on another thread. Let's stick to this one.

Lincoln letter posted, here on this thread, go back a few post before Anil's letter.

Ok. However, we are discussing Anil's letter. Let's stick to it. Did you not make the comment on Anil's article?

That’s the “HYPOCRISY “ of Django.

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

Read LIncoln Lewis, letter and come again.

I did not see Lincoln Lewis' name in the above article. Lincoln Lewis is on another thread. Let's stick to this one.

Lincoln letter posted, here on this thread, go back a few post before Anil's letter.

Ok. However, we are discussing Anil's letter. Let's stick to it. Did you not make the comment on Anil's article?

Was my comment erroneous ?? read both letters before making my comment.

Bai, you play dumb nah? Can we not address Anil's letter if you posted it? Why Lewis' letter when the sarcastic remark was made about Anil? You flying like down feathers all over the place.

Dave posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

Read LIncoln Lewis, letter and come again.

I did not see Lincoln Lewis' name in the above article. Lincoln Lewis is on another thread. Let's stick to this one.

Lincoln letter posted, here on this thread, go back a few post before Anil's letter.

Ok. However, we are discussing Anil's letter. Let's stick to it. Did you not make the comment on Anil's article?

That’s the “HYPOCRISY “ of Django.

Where point it out, or the word can be used to silence. Read both letters and come again.

skeldon_man posted:

Bai, you play dumb nah? Can we not address Anil's letter if you posted it? Why Lewis' letter when the sarcastic remark was made about Anil? You flying like down feathers all over the place.

I have posted both letters, read them and come again.

The law is the law. Anil in his own words said the law is not ass.

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Bai, you play dumb nah? Can we not address Anil's letter if you posted it? Why Lewis' letter when the sarcastic remark was made about Anil? You flying like down feathers all over the place.

I have posted both letters, read them and come again.

The law is the law. Anil in his own words said the law is not ass.

You fail to comprehend what I said. Let's keep on the topic of Anil's letter. Don't be like dry goat shit.

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Bai, you play dumb nah? Can we not address Anil's letter if you posted it? Why Lewis' letter when the sarcastic remark was made about Anil? You flying like down feathers all over the place.

I have posted both letters, read them and come again.

The law is the law. Anil in his own words said the law is not ass.

You fail to comprehend what I said. Let's keep on the topic of Anil's letter. Don't be like dry goat shit.

You beating around the bush.

Have a great day.

Django posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Nandlall, should realize the law is the law. The law is not ass, his own words.

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

The PPP added this to the constitution with the aid of the APNU The PPP did not follow it nor did the APNU

There was recommendation to amend the Constitution to allow POST ELECTION ALLIANCES , during the same time. The PPP abort such, was told didn't found favor of the Pandit.

Every one knows the reason why it wasn't implemented.

There were lots of recommendations that would avoid this nonsense. VJ and I posted constantly on the site they created to advise on the constitution and followed all proposed changes.

Many others did including people across the world so they were well apprised as to what would be the consequences. ROAR and Ravi Dev then violently anti PPP constantly commented on the need to actually start over completely. Their commentators were Prakash, Somdat and his sidekick Gampat, Ramharack, Rampertab, and many many others. Discussions were everywhere on going. There were even organized discussions in RH, some of which I attended.

Note the PPP wanted to retain all the prerogatives to keep them in office.  With PR many small parties can fragment the vote and be persuaded to overcome the votes od any plurality winner. The PPP understood that and wanted to stuff it. 

D2 posted:

Django posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Nandlall, should realize the law is the law. The law is not ass, his own words.

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

The PPP added this to the constitution with the aid of the APNU The PPP did not follow it nor did the APNU

There was recommendation to amend the Constitution to allow POST ELECTION ALLIANCES , during the same time. The PPP abort such, was told didn't found favor of the Pandit.

Every one knows the reason why it wasn't implemented.

There were lots of recommendations that would avoid this nonsense. VJ and I posted constantly on the site they created to advise on the constitution and followed all proposed changes.

Many others did including people across the world so they were well apprised as to what would be the consequences. ROAR and Ravi Dev then violently anti PPP constantly commented on the need to actually start over completely. Their commentators were Prakash, Somdat and his sidekick Gampat, Ramharack, Rampertab, and many many others. Discussions were everywhere on going. There were even organized discussions in RH, some of which I attended.

Note the PPP wanted to retain all the prerogatives to keep them in office.  With PR many small parties can fragment the vote and be persuaded to overcome the votes od any plurality winner. The PPP understood that and wanted to stuff it. 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

Django posted:

D2 posted:

Django posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Nandlall, should realize the law is the law. The law is not ass, his own words.

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

The PPP added this to the constitution with the aid of the APNU The PPP did not follow it nor did the APNU

There was recommendation to amend the Constitution to allow POST ELECTION ALLIANCES , during the same time. The PPP abort such, was told didn't found favor of the Pandit.

Every one knows the reason why it wasn't implemented.

There were lots of recommendations that would avoid this nonsense. VJ and I posted constantly on the site they created to advise on the constitution and followed all proposed changes.

Many others did including people across the world so they were well apprised as to what would be the consequences. ROAR and Ravi Dev then violently anti PPP constantly commented on the need to actually start over completely. Their commentators were Prakash, Somdat and his sidekick Gampat, Ramharack, Rampertab, and many many others. Discussions were everywhere on going. There were even organized discussions in RH, some of which I attended.

Note the PPP wanted to retain all the prerogatives to keep them in office.  With PR many small parties can fragment the vote and be persuaded to overcome the votes od any plurality winner. The PPP understood that and wanted to stuff it. 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

Django posted:

D2 posted:

Django posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Nandlall, should realize the law is the law. The law is not ass, his own words.

Bai, you sound as if you can interpret Guyana's laws better than a former AG of Guyana. The man is addressing the hypocrisy of your PNC; not the law. Are they all dunces in parliament? It was ok to take the dual citizens money to campaign and put them in high positions. Now the law caught up with them, they squeal like a pig going to the slaughterhouse.

The PPP added this to the constitution with the aid of the APNU The PPP did not follow it nor did the APNU

There was recommendation to amend the Constitution to allow POST ELECTION ALLIANCES , during the same time. The PPP abort such, was told didn't found favor of the Pandit.

Every one knows the reason why it wasn't implemented.

There were lots of recommendations that would avoid this nonsense. VJ and I posted constantly on the site they created to advise on the constitution and followed all proposed changes.

Many others did including people across the world so they were well apprised as to what would be the consequences. ROAR and Ravi Dev then violently anti PPP constantly commented on the need to actually start over completely. Their commentators were Prakash, Somdat and his sidekick Gampat, Ramharack, Rampertab, and many many others. Discussions were everywhere on going. There were even organized discussions in RH, some of which I attended.

Note the PPP wanted to retain all the prerogatives to keep them in office.  With PR many small parties can fragment the vote and be persuaded to overcome the votes od any plurality winner. The PPP understood that and wanted to stuff it. 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

They essentially waited out the carter recommendation until the last six months. 

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

You speaketh not with wise tongue.

Why would Burham reverse what he created ? Hoyte had 7 yrs he didn't do the same.  Since the COALITION GOV'T came into office a motion for Constitutional changes was tabled in Parliament, the Constitutional Committee sitting idly, few meetings are called.

The PPP was in office for 23 yrs, the illegal 1980 Constitution was bad during the Burnham tenure. What happened it became a legal document during their tenure, due to it suit their purpose for Governance ??

I will bet Van West Charles is affected also!!

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

You speaketh not with wise tongue.

Why would Burham reverse what he created ? Hoyte had 7 yrs he didn't do the same.  Since the COALITION GOV'T came into office a motion for Constitutional changes was tabled in Parliament, the Constitutional Committee sitting idly, few meetings are called.

The PPP was in office for 23 yrs, the illegal 1980 Constitution was bad during the Burnham tenure. What happened it became a legal document during their tenure, due to it suit their purpose for Governance ??

Look at this fool. PPP made constitutional changes. Any change requires 2/3 majority in Parliament.

The AFC PNC idiots made constitutional change a priority in their election manifesto. It took jackass Moses three years and he did not even set up a committee as promised. This was exposed during the NCV debates.

Dont try to rub AFC PNC filth on the PPP.

Get your bloody facts straight !!!!!

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

You speaketh not with wise tongue.

Why would Burham reverse what he created ? Hoyte had 7 yrs he didn't do the same.  Since the COALITION GOV'T came into office a motion for Constitutional changes was tabled in Parliament, the Constitutional Committee sitting idly, few meetings are called.

The PPP was in office for 23 yrs, the illegal 1980 Constitution was bad during the Burnham tenure. What happened it became a legal document during their tenure, due to it suit their purpose for Governance ??

SO WHY DID THE PNC/APNU NOT ADDRESS THIS DURING THE THREE  YEARS THEY RULED WITH AN IRON FIST? Burnham was not in power after 1985. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

D2 posted:

 

No.  If so why stop at the NCV. How about all the bills “illegally” passed?

The rules need to be clarified and augmented by new legislation and applied on a go-forward basis.

what exactly needs to be "clarified" sir?

the Constitution could not be more CLEAR!

Well YOU should have advised YOUR PNC that they had ineligible MPs in their midst! How come you missed that?  Remember, this was the same constitution achieved via rigging the 2/3 referendum!

waste talk and shakeabatty

After making an ass of yourself, is this your act of last resort, shakeabatty?

Base, DUMMIES are dime a dozen.

Nehru posted:

Base, DUMMIES are dime a dozen.

A farthing or a dime a dozen, Nehru ?

yuji22 posted:

Look at this fool. PPP made constitutional changes. Any change requires 2/3 majority in Parliament.

The AFC PNC idiots made constitutional change a priority in their election manifesto. It took jackass Moses three years and he did not even set up a committee as promised. This was exposed during the NCV debates.

Dont try to rub AFC PNC filth on the PPP.

Get your bloody facts straight !!!!!

The PPP crafted t his onerous clause and it was ratified by borth parties. They both proceeded to break the very rule they crafted.  The only fact available from this unfortunate incident is both are decidedly contemptuous to rule of law when it suits them and are greedily opportunistic when it comes to using it against others. 

D2 posted:

yuji22 posted:

Look at this fool. PPP made constitutional changes. Any change requires 2/3 majority in Parliament.

The AFC PNC idiots made constitutional change a priority in their election manifesto. It took jackass Moses three years and he did not even set up a committee as promised. This was exposed during the NCV debates.

Dont try to rub AFC PNC filth on the PPP.

Get your bloody facts straight !!!!!

The PPP crafted t his onerous clause and it was ratified by borth parties. They both proceeded to break the very rule they crafted.  The only fact available from this unfortunate incident is both are decidedly contemptuous to rule of law when it suits them and are greedily opportunistic when it comes to using it against others. 

The People’s Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) Government had initiated the process for constitutional change as early as 1995, when a Constitutional Reform Commission (CRC) was formed and hearings were held across the country, as well as in a parliamentary Select Committee. The process was interrupted by the 1997 elections, which the PPP/C won according to all foreign and domestic observers. The People’s National Congress (PNC), however, claimed the poll was flawed and launched massive street protests that segued into ethnically directed riots and violence. The Caricom-brokered Herdmanston Accord of January 17, 1998, included an agreement to complete reform of the 1980 Constitution.
A new 20-person CRC, acceptable to all parliamentary parties, was assembled and included individuals drawn from the widest possible cross-section of society. For six months, the CRC conducted hearings and took submissions from every Guyanese individual or organisation that expressed a wish to do so. Their more than 4000 submissions were reviewed by a parliamentary Joint Select Committee, which then winnowed out and furthered 182 recommendations (drawn from 32 subject areas) to the Oversight Committee of the National Assembly. The final changes were approved unanimously in 2000, by all the parties in the National Assembly, including the PNC.

https://guyanatimesgy.com/the-...guyana-constitution/

We are all aware that as a result of the violence following the 15thDecember 1997 elections, there was a Caricom intervention which resulted in the signing of two documents popularly referred to as the Herdmanston Accord of 17thJanuary 1998 and the St. Lucia Statement.

D2 posted:

VishMahabir posted:

If I recall...this was RONAN's choice for President....no?

We still need to know who the 1/3 parliamentarians are.....and change the Constitution

The NCV should have to be recounted given the government ruling minus the ineligibles and not a re-vote. 

I think that the NCV is invalid, much as this existing parliament is invalidated.

Now might well be the time to install an interim gov't with 50:50 representation and then proceed with an in depth discussion on a new constitution.

But Guyanese do not want to deal with this issue.  They just want to hope and pray for ethnic patronage based on who wins our periodic low key civil wars, AKA elections.

At what stage was a new constitution subject to referendum.  Not since Burnham's era.

Guyana Fake News can scream that there was a new constitution.  The fact is that what exists is quite flawed and is an incumbent protection program.  Of course the PPP would have loved it, as at that time they couldn't conceive that they would ever lose. And then the PNC derived the core aspects of this constitution, so why would they change this?

And open and transparent processed bereft of the involvement of politicians is core to this process.  A proposed constitution be developed based on the work of stake holder from diverse sources, excluding political parties.  The role of parliament will be to vote on the final process and authorize a referendum.  If the population endorses the proposed new constitution then the MPs can then do what they have to do to put in in force.

NOTHING like this has ever happened in Guyana!

yuji22 posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

You speaketh not with wise tongue.

Why would Burham reverse what he created ? Hoyte had 7 yrs he didn't do the same.  Since the COALITION GOV'T came into office a motion for Constitutional changes was tabled in Parliament, the Constitutional Committee sitting idly, few meetings are called.

The PPP was in office for 23 yrs, the illegal 1980 Constitution was bad during the Burnham tenure. What happened it became a legal document during their tenure, due to it suit their purpose for Governance ??

Look at this fool. PPP made constitutional changes. Any change requires 2/3 majority in Parliament.

The AFC PNC idiots made constitutional change a priority in their election manifesto. It took jackass Moses three years and he did not even set up a committee as promised. This was exposed during the NCV debates.

Dont try to rub AFC PNC filth on the PPP.

Get your bloody facts straight !!!!!

You are a JACKASS, there is a Parliamentary Constitutional Committee.

The real changes regarding Elections were by passed.

Get with the times you are clueless, how all the amendments by the PPP passed ?

Shake hands with Skelly, the two ayuh just blowing hot air.

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

You speaketh not with wise tongue.

Why would Burham reverse what he created ? Hoyte had 7 yrs he didn't do the same.  Since the COALITION GOV'T came into office a motion for Constitutional changes was tabled in Parliament, the Constitutional Committee sitting idly, few meetings are called.

The PPP was in office for 23 yrs, the illegal 1980 Constitution was bad during the Burnham tenure. What happened it became a legal document during their tenure, due to it suit their purpose for Governance ??

SO WHY DID THE PNC/APNU NOT ADDRESS THIS DURING THE THREE  YEARS THEY RULED WITH AN IRON FIST? Burnham was not in power after 1985. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

You does talk for talk sake. 23 yrs of PPP rule  and no proper Electoral reforms were made, advise and recommendations were given, which was cast aside. Why do you think Carter leave them on their own ?

Yep in 3 yrs the Coalition must get every ills corrected.

Django posted:

If citizenship case succeeds it means all budgets, bills passed since 2015 unlawful

Source

January 15 2019

Dear Editor,

On the 21 December 2018, the APNU+AFC Coalition Government was defeated by a No Confidence Motion moved by the Opposition, PPP/C in the National Assembly. The Government is refusing to resign and fix a date for National & Regional Elections which they are bound to do under the relevant provisions of the Constitution of Guyana.

Instead, they have decided to challenge the validity of the vote cast in favour of the motion by one of their own, Charrandass Persaud, on the grounds of his dual citizenship to Canada, and that 33 votes do not constitute the majority required to pass such a motion.

The matter is pending in the High Court. Therefore, I will refrain from commenting on the issues of law involved but will address the lack of political morality so vital to democratic politics which underlies the legal challenges. I will deal with the dual citizenship argument in this article. In another, I will address the 33 votes majority contention.

The provision in the Constitution which prohibits a person who swore allegiance to a foreign state from becoming a Member of Parliament, has been in the Constitution, possibly, since Independence. However, over the years, every political party has deliberately turned a blind eye to it and persons with dual citizenship have always been extracted from the lists of political parties and permitted to sit in the National Assembly without objections from anyone. Of course, this includes the 11th Parliament of Guyana, which has such persons on both sides of the political aisle.

Charrandass Persaud is one of such persons. His name was placed on their list by the APNU+AFC and extracted from that list to sit in the National Assembly by the APNU+AFC. It must be assumed that they knew or ought to have known of his citizenship of Canada and the constitutional implications. Following  the 2015 elections, they have used Persaud’s vote to pass every budget and every piece of legislation since, including the 2019 budget, which was passed in a matter of days prior to the No-Confidence Motion.

Indeed, from all their public pronouncements prior to and during the debate of the No-Confidence Motion, it was abundantly clear that they were relying on Persaud’s vote to pass the very Motion. However, now that Persaud has voted against them, they now want to denounce the validity of that vote by relying on that provision of the Constitution in an attempt to disqualify him from being a member on the ground of his dual citizenship. So, having agreed to the rules of the game, when they lose, they are refusing to accept the results by questioning the very rules by which they agreed to be bound. This is not only duplicity and political hypocrisy at its worst, but it destroys the possibility of any political force, or indeed anyone, being able to genuinely trust and have any lasting political relationship or alliance of any type with APNU+AFC. It demonstrates their willingness to do anything and everything possible, regardless of its consequences to the welfare of our people and the national interest, to satisfy their thirst for political power.

I must emphasize that if they succeed, it means that all the budgets passed since 2015 to now and all the Bills passed, were unlawful. The implications and consequences of this on the nation are both irreversible and immeasurable. But they seem not to care!

However, this is not a new ploy for the PNC. They have an undisputable track record of doing anything possible to keep political power. Their years of rigging elections, before 1992, their refusal to accept the results of elections certified to be free and fair, post 1992, their agreement to the use of a voter ID card for the 1997 elections and then challenging the legal validity of those elections on the ground of the use of that very ID card, all exemplify this ploy as a permanent part of their political modus operandi.

The fact that the legal challenge is being brought in the name of a citizen and not in the name of the main political architects fools no one. The Attorney General is on record boasting about his and the Government’s role in these proceedings. In any event, the legal challenge to the 1997 elections was also done by a citizen at the instance of the PNC. So this is not new either.

Fortunately, this time around I do not think they will succeed for the law is not on their side.

Yours faithfully,

Anil Nandlall

PPP/C MP

---

 

 

A very goo write up by Anil. He writes with clarity and purpose and with the composure suitable for the next president of Guyana. 

Django posted:

 

There was recommendation to amend the Constitution to allow POST ELECTION ALLIANCES , during the same time. The PPP abort such, was told didn't found favor of the Pandit.

Every one knows the reason why it wasn't implemented.

I don't care for post elections alliances. Post elections alliances is a form of bait and switch. I don't mind parties cooperating with each other after elections but it is important for them to maintain their autonomy. If the AFC breaks away from the APNU, I have no doubt that they will say that this coalition only managed to strip them of their identity making them no more than 'yes men/women' to the PNC. The PPP was wise to not support any post elections alliances. You want to hang with a certain group, do it before the elections so the voters are clear who you are before they vote.

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted: 

No.  If so why stop at the NCV. How about all the bills “illegally” passed?

The rules need to be clarified and augmented by new legislation and applied on a go-forward basis.

what exactly needs to be "clarified" sir?

the Constitution could not be more CLEAR!

Well YOU should have advised YOUR PNC that they had ineligible MPs in their midst! How come you missed that?  Remember, this was the same constitution achieved via rigging the 2/3 referendum!

waste talk and shakeabatty

After making an ass of yourself, is this your act of last resort, shakeabatty?

That banna has a sick obsession with batty and shit. 

caribny posted:

D2 posted:

 

The NCV should have to be recounted given the government ruling minus the ineligibles and not a re-vote. 

I think that the NCV is invalid, much as this existing parliament is invalidated.

Now might well be the time to install an interim gov't with 50:50 representation and then proceed with an in depth discussion on a new constitution.

What do you mean by a gov't with 50:50 representation?

Why only the great majority of Blacks think the NCV is invalid, I guess their stay at the fountain was too short or after a taste of government it is too difficult to revert to civilian status.

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

 

The PPP had the chance to correct the ills of the 1980 Constitution, what they did patch here and there. The ones to allowed true DEMOCRACY was abandoned, hence the race war continues.

What happen wid de PNC? They had 11 years since 1980 and 3 years since 2015. Daag dead ah dem doe mouth? Or dem see dem constitution as de perfek waan?

You speaketh not with wise tongue.

Why would Burham reverse what he created ? Hoyte had 7 yrs he didn't do the same.  Since the COALITION GOV'T came into office a motion for Constitutional changes was tabled in Parliament, the Constitutional Committee sitting idly, few meetings are called.

The PPP was in office for 23 yrs, the illegal 1980 Constitution was bad during the Burnham tenure. What happened it became a legal document during their tenure, due to it suit their purpose for Governance ??

SO WHY DID THE PNC/APNU NOT ADDRESS THIS DURING THE THREE  YEARS THEY RULED WITH AN IRON FIST? Burnham was not in power after 1985. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

You does talk for talk sake. 23 yrs of PPP rule  and no proper Electoral reforms were made, advise and recommendations were given, which was cast aside. Why do you think Carter leave them on their own ?

Yep in 3 yrs the Coalition must get every ills corrected.

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

Dave posted:

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

You are an IDIOT, now go and shake hands with yugi and skelly.

Ponder on why would the PNC under Burnham change the 1980 Constitution he created.Burnham died in 1985, Hoyte took over and was in the process to move the COUNTRY FORWARD.

Free and Fair Elections came in 1992, the PPP won and ruled for 23 YEARS,Why  REAL ELECTORAL REFORMS , ONE THAT REFLECTS POST ELECTION ALLIANCES, wasn't done. The PPP was advised to reform the process to be more DEMOCRATIC.

Take a day or two and tell us why.

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

You are an IDIOT, now go and shake hands with yugi and skelly.

Ponder on why would the PNC under Burnham change the 1980 Constitution he created.Burnham died in 1985, Hoyte took over and was in the process to move the COUNTRY FORWARD.

Free and Fair Elections came in 1992, the PPP won and ruled for 23 YEARS,Why  REAL ELECTORAL REFORMS , ONE THAT REFLECTS POST ELECTION ALLIANCES, wasn't done. The PPP was advised to reform the process to be more DEMOCRATIC.

Take a day or two and tell us why.

Oh Poor thing, your rants and tantrums didn’t justified your explanation to my comments. 

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

You are an IDIOT, now go and shake hands with yugi and skelly.

Ponder on why would the PNC under Burnham change the 1980 Constitution he created.Burnham died in 1985, Hoyte took over and was in the process to move the COUNTRY FORWARD.

Free and Fair Elections came in 1992, the PPP won and ruled for 23 YEARS,Why  REAL ELECTORAL REFORMS , ONE THAT REFLECTS POST ELECTION ALLIANCES, wasn't done. The PPP was advised to reform the process to be more DEMOCRATIC.

Take a day or two and tell us why.

Regardless of which government neglected to address the issue in the past, there is now widespread call for constitutional reform. APNU+AFC promised the electorate in their joint manifesto to work on it. Well, they missed the bus too. I want an incoming PPP administration to put it on priority for the good of the nation.

Gilbakka posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

You are an IDIOT, now go and shake hands with yugi and skelly.

Ponder on why would the PNC under Burnham change the 1980 Constitution he created.Burnham died in 1985, Hoyte took over and was in the process to move the COUNTRY FORWARD.

Free and Fair Elections came in 1992, the PPP won and ruled for 23 YEARS,Why  REAL ELECTORAL REFORMS , ONE THAT REFLECTS POST ELECTION ALLIANCES, wasn't done. The PPP was advised to reform the process to be more DEMOCRATIC.

Take a day or two and tell us why.

Regardless of which government neglected to address the issue in the past, there is now widespread call for constitutional reform. APNU+AFC promised the electorate in their joint manifesto to work on it. Well, they missed the bus too. I want an incoming PPP administration to put it on priority for the good of the nation.

APNU/AFC have started the process, no bus have been missed.The PPP had 23 yrs, all they have done is patch work, who would believe they have any intention to change the Electoral System, if they get back in power.

They can be accused  from 1997,for the continuous polarization of the people because it suits them to hold on to power.Segments of the population can't be shut out,especially in multi ETHNIC populations, they will retaliate by whatever means possible.When they do they are labeled all sorts of names.

The fact is the PPP had enough time to move the country forward regarding Electoral Reforms. All the arguments why the PNC didn't  do such, as i have mentioned why would the  PNC change, they  created.

Dave posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

You are an IDIOT, now go and shake hands with yugi and skelly.

Ponder on why would the PNC under Burnham change the 1980 Constitution he created.Burnham died in 1985, Hoyte took over and was in the process to move the COUNTRY FORWARD.

Free and Fair Elections came in 1992, the PPP won and ruled for 23 YEARS,Why  REAL ELECTORAL REFORMS , ONE THAT REFLECTS POST ELECTION ALLIANCES, wasn't done. The PPP was advised to reform the process to be more DEMOCRATIC.

Take a day or two and tell us why.

Oh Poor thing, your rants and tantrums didn’t justified your explanation to my comments. 

Facts biting !! will be waiting for your answer. Be a man need to hear from an insider.

Django posted:

 

APNU/AFC have started the process, no bus have been missed.The PPP had 23 yrs, all they have done is patch work, who would believe they have any intention to change the Electoral System, if they get back in power.

They can be accused  from 1997,for the continuous polarization of the people because it suits them to hold on to power.Segments of the population can't be shut out,especially in multi ETHNIC populations, they will retaliate by whatever means possible.When they do they are labeled all sorts of names.

The fact is the PPP had enough time to move the country forward regarding Electoral Reforms. All the arguments why the PNC didn't  do such, as i have mentioned why would the  PNC change, they  created.

It would be easy for me to understand this if I can find a way to ignore the fact that they had already resorted to violence on elections day in 1992. There was no case of them being shut out of anything on election day in 1992. Therefore, I think it is more about their disposition than their challenges.

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Read !!  them mother fkers say constitution change in 3 months. APNU has been in government for 31.5 years. You have selective memory 

https://guyaneseonline.files.w...manifesto-online.pdf

You are an IDIOT, now go and shake hands with yugi and skelly.

Ponder on why would the PNC under Burnham change the 1980 Constitution he created.Burnham died in 1985, Hoyte took over and was in the process to move the COUNTRY FORWARD.

Free and Fair Elections came in 1992, the PPP won and ruled for 23 YEARS,Why  REAL ELECTORAL REFORMS , ONE THAT REFLECTS POST ELECTION ALLIANCES, wasn't done. The PPP was advised to reform the process to be more DEMOCRATIC.

Take a day or two and tell us why.

Oh Poor thing, your rants and tantrums didn’t justified your explanation to my comments. 

Facts biting !! will be waiting for your answer. Be a man need to hear from an insider.

Why did you went back to PPP when my comments are straight forward - APNU-AFC constitution reform promises within 3 months of being elected. Do you have a problem with undastanding basic common sense.

Read uncle Ralf. 

AFC can give life to constitution reform by taking radical action – Ramkarran

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Ralph Ramkarran

Dave scraping the bottom of the barrel.